FTTP Fibre Internet - How To Relocate Router - Super Quick Fiber Broadband 

Trying to do that job would drive me crazy. 🤬 You chaps have a lot more patience than I have, well done!

We know INTERNET matters in this house. And I love it.

Lots of useful information ( including a method for lifting a tongue n groove floorboard ) Cheers 😊

Had the same issue when I got FTTP - how to shift the data quick enough. Being in a more modern house I opted to go through the hallow walls and under the bath. Still took months of planning and a full weekend to do it. Funnily enough, I wired the RJ45 plugs using a really old video of yours - worked first time.

Wow, you both made that look easy! Huge amount of work to route a cable!

Vince the Gray box is a CSP Customer Splice Point 0:54 The white box is a ONT Optical Network Terminal 1:06 On the pole it is called a CBT Corning OptiSheath MultiPort Terminal 2:51

I wish BT had brought my fibre into the top of the house instead of coming into my house at ground level. As I pointed out to the installation engineer, it only takes someone with sidecutters and you've lost your connection including any security connection. You certainly won't be joining your own fibre optic cable any time soon. On that note, my engineer pointed out to me that you have to be very careful how you handle fine fibre optic cable - because you don't want it puncturing the skin and then snapping off inside you!

Dude, your brother just got fiber installed?! That’s insane, ‘cause I had fiber installed yesterday as well, and I’ve been asking for fiber FOR YEARS ON END! What a bloody coincidence! EDIT: And I can see that your initial plan didn’t pan out the way you’d hope it would. But what are plans for if not for failing and being revised?

Never use washing up liquid Vince, it's designed to dissolve grease and will destroy the insulation on cables, the best thing I find is baby powder, it lowers friction, smells nice and doesn't leave everything in a mess including the inability for insulating tape to adhere.

I had Kelly communications out today to do my FTTP install and they refused to install the CSP in the loft or externally on the soffit where they would have to bring the fibre cable from the pole anyway. They said they will only install the external CSP at ground level which would mean having to run the fibre cables down the front wall of my house which would look unsightly. I now have to wait for a specialist Openreach engineer to do the install 🤷🏼‍♂️

I need this yesterday! I’m on 13 mbs fibre.

Nice video Vince, don’t know why BT/Openreach wouldn’t run the fibre externally to the ground floor like the old copper line though

I had to do something like this but for the hot water pipes for my boiler they were under a buily in wardrobe but not run under the floorboards so when i removed the wardrobes the pipes were above ground i had to cut some floor boards re run the cable and replafe the boards ended up been quite a job

Absolutely brill job

WOW ! You guys are good .

i find when your lifiting tongue and groove boards, multi tool out the tongue, put a screw in one end and use a hammer to lift the board. Saves damaging the side of the boards when lifitng them :)

Vince to help with the cables I used silicon spray

That download and upload was painful to see. I'm still on fibre to the cabinet and speeds are shockingly bad. No new information from Openreach yet.

I ordered an FTTP install......do I get a new (wireless) router or do i have to buy my own router ????

As an Openreach engineer myself, that FTTP installation was crap. That grey box is the CSP, and is an external box which should only ever be installed just above ground level on the outside wall. If it was installed there at your brother's request, the least they could have done is use an internal version or hidden it in that loft void. They also didn't even run the fibre in and out of it properly, taking it in and out of the wrong ports underneath, etc. Considering he already had Ethernet cables all around the house, what they could have done instead is install the ONT (the white Openreach modem) next to any existing ethernet socket in the house, and then you could have used that to connect back to the BT hub under the stairs instead of you having to rip the house apart.

Looks like who ever Turned up to do the job could not be bothered running the drop wire down the wall a few extra feet has now a retired telephone engineer after 40 years work it would of only take a few more minutes to run it to were you want it in my day in was about keeping the customer happy now it’s about how much Bonus you can make but then again you would not now have a been able to make this video

Great video Vince. Thanks for making this and your older videos. I have cabled every room in my 1890 house to a patch panel in the stairwell using similar techniques. Fiddly but worth it.

What a strange breed we are :-) People who love making and people who love watching videos on pulling bits of cable through floors and walls :-) In my life I have pulled thousands of feet of CAT and Power cable, yet I never stop learning new tricks or how to get it wrong by watching other people do it. I really enjoyed this. I never crimp, though. I always punch down.

I'm sorry. Even with a building like that. I just don't understand how it wouldn't be simpler to just find the closest external wall and run a line outside instead of ripping up floor boards and going through multiple walls?

Hey Vince Just wanted to wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year cheers for the all the awesome videos.

Great instructional, I’m a joiner and fishing cables for first fix electrics is such a pain! I’d love a similar video of a CCTV set up from scratch. How to run the cables/ install cameras. I bet your telecom engineering skills would come in handy for that! Quality as always mate

It’s nice to see BT doing what virgin have done with their routers for telephones, it’s so useful when you need a phone socket that’s not in the wall

don't know if anyone said it but the two boxes on the wall at the top why don't you put them on the other side of the so they are hidden when the square panel goes back on

I think it’s great to run the cables out of sight. No company will do that on initial installation and it’s a good idea to plan a route yourself. I think we have 2 small cable runs that I cannot hide, but I do live in a turn of the century house. Our daughters partner has done the same as your brother but did manage to get the openreach engineer to fit the termination in the loft where he can get a connection down to his under stair comm’s room!

I was a big fan of your channel from when I was in SG, I am now in the UK and I use BT as well.. bit spooky that.. I would say that at this point anything above 100mbps is a luxury for most, and not a necessity.. so would be good to avoid the wasted expense and ewaste for buying a new switch.. (I use Powerline and am happy with 30 mbps :D 🙊)

*You are lucky. In my street, the internet speed is a maximum of 25 Mbps. Makes me want to cry...*

You spelled 'fibre' two different ways in the title. It's 'fibre'. Please don't spell like an American.

As an FTTP engineer, I can tell you that whoever did that job was either inexperienced or couldn’t be bothered. A few issues I’ve already spotted: 1: at 3:02 we can see that the fibre only drop wire clamp (FOD) is installed incorrectly. I can see that by the amount of metal protruding from the end of the clamp. These clamps are designed to grip the cable from both sides once it is closed and the tension of the cable will keep pulling the cable tighter therefore the cable doesn’t slip out over time. The way it is installed here can potentially cause premature failure by squashing the delicate fibre inside as the metal insert bites into the fiber too hard or can potentially slip out completely. At the other end of the clamp, the metal part has little teeth that stick out stopping the metal part slipping out, but here they’re not deployed as the metal part is too far out. This is the most concerning issue. 2. The internal grey box is called the CSP - customer splice point and as you pointed out it is meant to be installed externally. Not usually an issue other than aesthetics, but I can see by the entry and exit loops at the bottom the cables are going the wrong way meaning the internal part of the box isn’t dressed as per the instructions. The most delicate part - the splice where the two fibre cabled join is very delicate and this box is designed to house a few metres of extra cable in case the splice fails or for example the internal or external cable is damaged and needs to be replaced, we’d only have to replace one cable and rejoin it to the old one. If the cables are reversed, there is a chance that the cable isn’t siting correctly inside, as there is only one way of installing fibre in these. Also, the white internal cable seems to be completely stripped of its black protective sleeve meaning the gripping screws inside are not protecting the fiber if it is pulled by accident. One can accidentally pull that cable and damage the thin fiber inside or break the splice inside causing failure and complete loss of signal. If the cable breaks in an unfortunate place, it’s likely the whole run of the cable needs to be replaced. The only place the cable can be joined is inside that box. The most obvious solution to me would be to use a internal CSP which is much smaller, place it in a more out of reach position and leave more cable that’s cleated to the wall. 3. The white box with ‘openreach’ written on it is called the ONT. it seems quite loose on the wall, and if that falls off, it can break the fibre going into it, again leaving you with no internet. We’ve had such failure documented this month actually. It may seem like nitpicking, but fiber is very fragile and we get failures all the time and it’s a shame to see this as I would personally not be happy with this install. The points noted are just concerning the longevity of the install and there are ways which were invented to prevent failure and it’s a shame these were not used/used properly. One thing I agree with, is that it’s easier to install the ONT in a safe place and then run cat 5 wherever you want. It saves having fragile fiber running through your house where it’s prone to damage. Fibre has got a lot of tensile strength because of Kevlar inside the cable, but it does not like being bent or squeezed at all. Overall, I’d rate this install 3/10. If this install was audited, I’m 100% sure the engineer would get pulled for those things. Hope this is helpful or at least informative.

Great video, I got my ethernet cable run done almost a year ago, some of it going outdoors, using cat6e outdoor cable going through the roof, in preperation for fiber and just last week they install an access point across the street!

In my house fibre is coming from bottom of the house and is in ground.

Loved this.. We went and looked at our new house today and it's got an openreach fibre connection AND a Hyperoptic (1gb) router in the living room cupboard. Can't wait to investigate it further. 😊

Excellent, I have rewired my new house (dad's old house) following your old videos from a few years ago, with cat6 cables to 12 new sockets...just in case I needed them...... Guess what? I'm getting full fibre installed next week!! I thank you for your excellent knowledge and I'm glad I found your channel when I was renovating my dad's old house. When the guy comes in to set up the fibre and says, this looks ok, I'll just reply, thank my mate Vince! Cheers.

I would kill for thoose speeds here in Australia, but we only have 3rd world Internet here

It would be nice if the ONT could be powered using POE

I had it installed about a year ago and they put it in my garage as thats where the gear was being a newbuild. they wouldnt put it in the main house, so i had to route a cable up through the garage , over the loft and down into the airing cupboard where the router now sits, When a BT tech engineer came out recently to follow up a new improved fibre package he was not happy that i had moved the Router lol , said it should be left where bt put it !! Almost klicked him out

Nice video! Loved the cabling work :) I have exactly the same fttp bt 920 down 115 up. How ever, just a little fyi: If you are new to bt's fttp and finding your bt router isnt matching the advertised speeds, this is because the new bt home hub maybe locked to their old adsl firmware and needs a little update from bt to unlock its full potential for fttp so you get those juicy fttp speeds. This is what i had to do! Double check with bt if this is case becaues you certainly don't want to go through with all that effort only to find out it was bt fault and not your own wiring.

Useleas. You just made a simple thing so complicated. Why you guys love running cables throughout the home?

i have 1 inch holes drilled through the inside walls with pvc pipe sleeves inserts.. all the cables run around the house through them..

Possibly the most unnecessary job I've ever seen

If anyone wants to know the name of the cutting tool, it's called an Oscillating Saw... I picked one up similar on ebay for about £35, brilliant bit of kit, my bolt keeps unscrewing though, will have to invest in some PTFE tape to be able to tighten the screw further

The best plug is the EZ-RJ45. With that plug you can push the wires through then crimp and cut it. When you get older it is harder to see which wires are in the channel of the plug.

With all the other cables and copper etc, you would have been better off using shielded cable to prevent cross-talk, especially with all those other cables. The twists alone will not prevent it from happening. Better to have u/ftp or even f/ftp.

I just recently watched your old Mr Telephone videos again and was pleased to see another similar one. Great work as usual Vince!

Bear in mind -BS 6701:2004 Telecommunications equipment and telecommunications cabling - Specification for installation, operation and maintenance, when it comes to segregation between power and telecommunications circuits. From this Standard we have the requirement to maintain a distance of not less than 50 mm between power cables and communications cables, unless: • There is a non metallic divider between them • The power cables are themselves in an earthed metallic conduit • The power cables are mineral insulated • The power cables are flexible double insulated • The power cables are of an earthed armored construction. Electromagnetic interference, or EMI as it is known, is external interference caused by radio frequency interference (RFI) generated by electromagnetic fields close to data cables. Typically, sources are power cables connecting motors, generators and fluorescent lamps etc'. This can reduce bandwidth in a cable amongst other things. Well done on the installation though it looked like it was a pain.

You would be better off using 'STP' CAT 6 for a bit of future proofing, also warn everyone about sharp bends with a speed tester many cables will fail. The tester you use is very basic.

Fibre. lnternet now. To relocate. Router. Super Quick fiber. Broadband. Like 👍

Another great video Vince... I am surprised your brother didn't just throw the cable out of the velux window and bring it through the letter box. That would have been a much classier job than removing half the house. Your brother must work out... he has huge biceps. Is he a body builder ?

If that'd have been my brother asking for me to do all that work I'd have told him to sod off bloody hell he doesn't want much does he 🤣 not sure why BT didn't just put it down stairs though... but I can understand them not winding it through he entire houses floor boards haha

07:42 Making good use of the things that we find. Things that the everyday folk leave behind.

Wow, well done. I'd be daunted by that and we're having BT FTTP fitted in a few days. I have that router in its box on my couch waiting until the engineer arrives. Fortunately for us, I think we can use the hole the VirginMedia cable is being removed from.

Wow, I am incredibly impressed with your conduit hiding skills! Envious of neat and complete network installation.

10:36 I've put CAT8 cable in (it's also flat so can go under the carpets), good for up to 40Gbps, not sure if that was around 2 yrs ago. This room seems WAY overly complicated when you could've just gone outside with weatherproof trunking.

I did something similar where I needed my internet on the other side of the house in an extension. I ended up buying a very long run of pre terminated multi mode OM3 fibre and just pulling it instead, which is good up to I believe at least 100Gbps. Figured I would future proof it and it was much cheaper than CAT6e (this was surprising to me as I always thought the opposite).

I would have extended the fiber. The next gen router may take a direct fiber input and do away with the separate ONT. Our €25 10Gigabit connections are like that here in Spain.

I’m surprised they didn’t put the main connection in the attic space, that would have made for a cleaner install and the fibre optic would be better protected.

As an ex BT linesman I would like to know why OPENREACH wasn't able, in the first place, to run the new FIBRE cable down the outside of the building to the customers preferred entry.......No experience or too bloody lazy?

Cool to see how houses are built in other countries, also there is some crazy internet speeds!

I recently went on fibre and the Openreach engineer asked me where I wanted the router, I told him downstairs and he put it there, he ran an outside cable down the outer wall in to my living room, put the box next to one of my electrical plug sockets, job done. None of this ripping up floor boards etc, the guy that did your fibre was lazy and did the easy option.

I'm still waiting for full fibre Internet to come to my area, I'm with BT too. I am on,y getting for now is 71.5 down and 19.6 up.

@02:50 wow - what a messy chaos of ugly pieces of metal --- this picture would pass a normal in a 1950s movie. I have no difficulties imagining UK becoming 3rd world --- as current third world is already looking better than us.

I done this in my house more messy though just went in the floor and down 3 floors but have fast speeds on the bottom now because wifi was bad.

My parents use AT&Tfiber and the upload is very fast!

I install these daily and dont understand why they dident run the cable from the pole down the outside, would have saved all this hassle. Also the grey box (csp) they have installed inside should have been a small white internal one.

Surely just use the existing phone cable to pull the fiber cable through to the same location downstairs? Sounds like you got a lazy open reach engineer which has caused you all this work!

I was lucky that when i got mine installed the engineer ran the cable for the fibre to a cupboard in the middle of my house (not bt) and it does look ugly with a black cable clipped internally. Inhowever onky had powerline ethernet as my previous service was 60mbps so didnt matter so had to run cat5e to devices to get bestspeeds. I pay for 600 and best speed test ive had 594 at the ps5 so pretty good.

Well i see even on the otherside of the pond they have no pride installing and just throw shit together and doing half ass work. Sad they couldnt even secure the boxes properly

why didnt you just get the original install into the ground floor avoiding all the work or run a fibre extension externally lot easier i would say am not sure if they use sc connectors

only 100Mbps upload? dang that's a bit stingy, I have a 150/150 connection that is more 160-168 up and down.

i think BT, should,ve left the phone socket on the wall, instead now a phone has to be plugged into the back of the router, but not everyone has wifi or wants wifi, so they are now forced to have a mobile phone, & do away with a landline phone, I want to still be able to use a GPO, dial phone, but for a pulse dial phone to be able to dial out, i have to buy a adaptor, that costs 55 quid, that plugs in somewhere between the GPO phone & the back of the new router. I would,ve rather they just left everything as it was, but its like everything. They can,t leave nothing alone.

I have been watching you for a long time and I love this kind of content but honestly we love all your content thank you for what you do I have learned so much

Good job mate. Tbh I would've just either run the inside out cable to move the ont or router the csp into the cupboard but hey I fit fttp for a living so I'm lucky enough to have a splicer to hand 🤣

im still on rural DSL with 3mbps watched this video in 360p

Vince, were you recently reunited with your brother after separation of birth growing up in different parts of the country you've got totally different accents? Naughty Vince you're not on the job anymore do the BT know you're fiddling with their kit. Takes me back to my days on the tools as an electrician fun times meeting wishbones and the like underneath the floorboards or finding idiot plumbers doing the easiest thing for them with no consideration for anyone else!!

I would leave the hundred megabyte alone because okay 400 for ethernet connections you know hello that's 100 MB 400 MB right so then you will get no glitching are slowing down cuz each one at least gets a hundred Megs off that 400 think about it

How did he get BT to install the grey box inside the property? They insisted it went outside when the did ours.

Nice video. Had mine installed today and BT engineer was crap. Put the modem as far away from our living room as he could’ve. I now need to find a fibre extension and move the modem.

One thing I was a strongly recommended that you have done is dragged two or even three network cables through just in case any of them failed (or use the 3rd cable for hardware wifi ap upstairs)

As a Sparks, you'd do so much less damage on the tongue and groove, if you use a Muti-tool and not a Bolster chisel..

So much about the BT install makes my head hurt. I’d refuse the install and tell them to install it to ITU specifications

Speed of BT fibre is a lot faster than Telstra's fibre in the UK everything is so much better with the fibre network those speeds are a lot faster than what we get in in Australia it makes Telstra's fibre look like s***

How would you relocate a router with a little rj11 connector instead of ethernet, like the new installs with EE routers from bt.?

OMG, you have not got a clue about installing an Ethernet cable, despite an extension you can still run a outdoor rated cable, Evan an armoured cat5e cable

Can the current Hub2 and the newer Ee routers be moved or extended in the same way..? If not why not pls?

Thanks for your video. We had fibre fitted last month and I didn’t realise the hub had built in DECT?! Now I can get rid of one extra thing plugged into the wall 😁👍🏻

Brilliant video once again! I find your videos quite good because you explain things in a simple manner for confused people. Could you do a video on the turn off of the copper phone lines and transition to VoIP by 2025 even though I know whats happening and have pre done everything myself I think a video on the topic would get alot of views as alot of the older generation are confused by whats going to happen.

why did i you use a brick bolster for the first board when you had a multi tool also instead of the trunking to fish wire you could use a tape measure.

Too much work to run the cable. Why not use a powerline ethernet network adapter. I use one myself. It works fine...

11:10 Instead of "flagging" the tape, I place a length of strong, thin cord under the tape; you can then pull the cord at 90 degrees to cut through the tape. Flagging is probably easier though ;-)

Ahhh a classic my mate vince video...loved it, thanks to your videos i was able to help my friends with their VDSL and nte faceplates

Firstly thanks for the video Vince I thought my 100 m run with cat 7 flat cable was bad, that's a huge amount of work just another consideration for your brother in the future Vince you could invest your own router for example a Wi-Fi 6 router and connect the Ethernet cable from the ONT directly to third-party router so removing the BT router completely. This is what I did, and I get over 900 Mbps via Wi-Fi. My 100 m cable was used to connect my main router AX11000 to my other router ac86u at the other end of the house in a mesh configuration.

Fair play boys. Id have paid a little more for external cable😂

So you use the american phone jack for broadband but a totally different port for phone

Vince, It was lovely to meet your brother in your latest video. I hope you dont mind me saying but I think he is the perfect studmuffin. I have to admit that I am sexually attracted to experienced older men, and boy does your brother have experience. My knees turned to jelly and I had to lie down when he navigated those floorboards and pushed his tool back and forth to accomplish his goal. That really turned me on!. I can tell this is something he has done many, many times before. This is not his first rodeo. I didnt see a wedding ring on your brothers hand, would he be available to rod my rear extension ? I would like my rear extension rodded asap with his long, thick rod. Would he consider starting his own youtube channel ? I for one would subscribe.

That network terminal needs power as well so be mindful about that as well..

Is the wifi signal not weak storing the router in a cupboard?