Here in France, in a small seaside town near the Spanish border, I have fibre to the living room. There’s a fibre patch lead from the wall plate to the fairly ordinary looking router that I’ve placed behind the TV. My landline phone service comes from the back of the router. I get about 400mbps down and 50mbps up. I’m very pleased with it and the engineers from Orange installed it very quickly and easily.
Spare a thought for those with the exchange practically on their own doorstep. Many of these will have "Exchange Only" (EO) lines, so straight into the exchange with no green cab. BT won't allow BT to put BT fibre cab equipment inside a BT exchange, so EO customers will have been left pretty-much until last, stuck on ADSL when everyone else gets FTTx. BT's solution is to put a green cab outside the exchange, reroute EO lines to the green cab, install a fibre cab to go with the green cab, then finally provide the service.
The "yellow fiberous stuff", at least in cables used in the BT fibre ethernet backhaul, is Kevlar (if the Openreach tech who has had the unenviable job of fixing the same fibre link twice in quick succession at my workplace is to be believed...)
Yeah the yellow fluffy stuff is a type of Kevlar material but its lower grade and its called Aramid, its purpose is basically to resist the cable being stretched - Fibre Engineer
UFO york via talktalk/sky fit same huawei modem/backup pack, had ours 3 years been faultless. 1gb down, 1gb up, with phone, £24 - BT is ripping people off
That single fiber of glass does look very fragile, i'm not supprised i'ts wrapped up so carefully, i still find it amazing how much data they can bounce down a fiber. ' I sort of remember that they can bounce many light channels down the fibre with precise optical end fittings, my memory is "half baked" so that may be special use only.
That's what they do with GPON. Upstream data is one wavelength, downstream is another. We do that at work to increase throughput over single-mode (9/125um) fibre; instead of one fibre for transmit and one for receive we can run both fibres for both, using 1000base BX-D or BX-U fibre modules (BX-D goes one end, BX-U goes the other). Extending this method further takes you into Dense Wavelength Division Multiplexing (DWDM) where currently up to 160 separate channels can share a single fibre core.
Ahh it was frequency wavelength, i could not remember how it was done, thanks for the understanding :-D. Im waiting for the technology to upgrade my memory to steam power :-D.
When I heard there was a splitter down the road from me (from the engineer installing the fibre terminal on the pole) I assumed it was WDM putting different wavelengths out to different customers (and this is an option pushed by some manufacturers I think) but PON just uses splitters that send the same signal down the different fibres. The exchange kit's got a lot of donkey work though as it's got to receive and coordinate data from all the ONTs that share the fibre, which will be out of phase with each other and presumably can't hear each other either.
I think it has to be controlled by the exchange, a polled system with user i.d packets to allow the users fiber box to know when it can send and when it needs to treat a packet as download data. The fiber box listens all the time, but the i.d labeled packets control its operation. Thats my very crude guess, i know nothing about the subject, im likely talking crap lol.
A couple of very important questions...... 1. I assume if you are offering PSTN to VOIP devices so the dialtone is emulated locally then you will be providing battery backup to enable emergency services calls in the event of a local power outage. Who exactly will be paying for the external battery pack or internal pack in the modems ? If this is the service provider that cost is going to be passed on to the end user. A cost that has always been covered by Openreach in the past with FTTP for example. Who is going to be paying for the equipment to keep a service that has always been a core responsibility of Openreach in the past. Regardless of the method employed Openreach are still responsible for the path from the customer NTE to the MDF.... or directly into the 21CN backbone in the case of direct IP / VOIP services. 2. I assume that unless fully LLU the core of current PSTN users can look forward to huge reductions in call rates and line rentals given that providing a VOIP service is substantially cheaper than a POTS line... No line cards and a large reduction in equipment power consumption at the exchange for example will result in huge ongoing cost savings for Openreach once the equipment change at the exchange is complete, a process that was well underway 14 years ago when I retired as a PTO / SFI engineer. Openreach appear to be trying to act the poor victim when this very long overdue switchover was announced and are complaining about bandwidth usage on the backhaul network. As anyone in the industry will tell you Openreach have been trying to prolong the usage of old slow creaking backhaul links to keep the profits rolling in rather than investing in backhaul links, FTTP and actually blowing new fibres and upgrading modems and switches to cope with an ever expanding increase in traffic. It does make you wonder what network latency will be like when all this additional VOIP traffic bogs down the existing antiquated links. My estimation is that overall latency will increase (something that voip services do not like very much) whilst service providers are left to cover the cost of additional or replacement equipment. As I cannot see directors and shareholders buffering these costs it is going to be the end user that suffers in the end. This is something that has been on the cards for many years. It is NOT something that has suddenly and without warning been dumped in the lap of Openreach to sort out. It is looking like the stopgap solution to this self inflicted disaster is to try and shift as much traffic as possible onto mobile network operators who will sooner or later hit the same problem wall that Openreach is shortly going to slam into... ................. We have an underfunded and under invested network backbone that is not going to be fixed by calling Scotty in engineering and asking for more power to the shields ! If I ever doubted the existence of Karma for corporate bigwigs and greedy investors I am sure that leaning back with my popcorn and watching these people tread water that is up to neck level for the next few years will fully restore my faith in this phenomenon !! Meanwhile I have two empty baked bean tins and a length of string on standby and ready to go. ☺ 😂
I had FTTP installed last Nov and have the smaller single box ONT without the battery backup, I did have a termination box installed outside, with a pigtail from that to the ONT, just upgraded last month to 900Mbs Down and 120Mbs up from Zen
Wow. I'm so jealous haha. I'd probably not be able to afford it anyway (100MBit is like 40€ here) but if one ISP would offer FTTP I'd probably give it a shot. Unfortunately we only have a fibre cabinet ~200 meters away from the house. Would be very expensive to run to the house.
My cab is about 100 metres away, the upgrade of the cabinets was funded by pooling money from Welsh Government, central government and the European Union as a project to improve internet access nationwide. Not all were completed (engineers swarmed this area in late November, the deadline was 31st December) but there's another project starting up which should pick up the stragglers. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-42861041
I've just moved into a new build with fttp. My box is under the stairs of all places. Are the telephone plug boxes in the bedroom and living room now redundant? I'm wondering where the hell to plug my computer in as a wireless connection is no good for my online gaming. For that matter where do I plug the phone in? Does everyone need to move into the under stair cupboard Harry Potter style?
The telephone sockets in the bedroom and living room ought to be wired back to under the stairs, as for the computer if it needs a wired connection that too will need to run in Cat.6 cable back to the router which will be under the stairs. In my case all the telephone and network sockets go back to the cupboard seen in the video, but that's because I ran them all myself.
Worth popping the faceplate off and ensuring there's actually cable in there. If there isn't you can give them hell and tell your neighbours to check, too. BT have guides for new builds, it may be worth reading those to see what they might (if they've bothered following them) have done. www.ournetwork.openreach.co.uk/property-development.aspx
We have the ONT under the stairs too. Worth checking what cable is behind the phone sockets in the rooms. Ours are wired with cat 5E cable rather than phone cable with only a few of the wires connected for the phone line. I replaced the faceplate in the living room with a Cat 5 module and under the stairs and now have an ethernet point in the living room for all my smart tv / youview / apple tv etc.
EXTREME DANGER Do not touch the fibre with your finger if it enters your finger and it will being so thin you will not see it or get it out. The strands can move about. They cannot be seen on Xray. Take care.
Fantastic description. Our street only just had the goo to go to FTTP, and wanted to see what would be the home access required. I got even more with your video. Thanks a lot.
Openreach takes full responsibility for the ONT. They will send an engineer if there is any fault with the battery backup on the ONT as it is part of the ONT. CPs dont even touch it.
When I saw the poles with wires splaying out everywhere I thought that’s all a bit of a dog’s breakfast…ie a real mess. Here in Australia, the National Broadband Network, more commonly known as NBN, places the lines mainly underground into the existing pits that held the copper technology. I’ve only just had the connection applied here in a rural area and the FTTP is an outside box and an inside box with an Ethernet connection to the modem. There is a battery backup too if you elect to have it. The fibre is run from your home to the pit and tethered creating the connection. Mind you, a network node in the area is the main access point from which the fibre emanates. There is also FTTN here which utilises the copper lines to homes which is a compromise. Interesting though to see what is done in the UK.
Since I got FTTP more of the neighhbours have, too. It's even more of a dog's breakfast now. Openreach are switching off analogue lines by 2025, they're also rolling FTTP out to FTTC cabs ready to pull the copper network entirely. Some more info at www.farrpoint.com/uploads/store/mediaupload/750/file/FarrPoint_Connectivity_Changes_Paper.pdf
In this area what Openreach do next seems to vary by area. At work we had FTTP brought into a domestic property on a fairly new housing estate recently. Existing copper is all ducted underground, Openreach pulled the fibre through the same duct. At another estate across town the existing copper is also ducted underground, but they're getting ready to introduce FTTP en masse by putting up poles to bring it in overhead. Go figure.
Thanks for the explanation of how FTTP via overheads works ( the video only came up in suggestions feed the other day ) it makes the subject a lot clearer. Courtesy of being out in the country-and presently seeing a "whopping" 1.7mbps thanks to the amount of copper in the final "mile" - it will likely only be once they run FTTP that I might actually get something approaching a bit of speed. Nothing listed for my exchange at the moment though so not holding my breath.....maybe by 2025 if I'm lucky !
Yes, for example in Russia MGTS (Moscow telephone) has fitted a GPON system in Moscow. Each flat has a fiber-optic cable that goes into an ONT (fiber-optic router).
4:33 I believe the yellow fiber is kevlar. Besides the steel wires offering support, the kevlar offers superior resistance to breaking, chafing, etc,, while also being flexible, meaning the fibre strand is less likely to get damaged when the cable is being pulled and twisted during instalation.
My own equipment was already in the cupboard (I moved the internal cabling years ago). When it came to the new line it was the easiest way for the Openreach guy to do it. I'd already poked an old piece of Cat.5 through the soffit outside to act as a pull-rope. While he was up the pole plugging one end of the fibre in and getting the cable ready to feed in, I was inside wall-mounting the box (I didn't have to, but it saved time). He then taped the fibre to the Cat.5, I went in the attic and pulled it in while he made sure it didn't snag. Once inside, again I stayed in the attic while he was in the cupboard drawing the fibre through (another scrap piece of Cat.5). He didn't have to drill, in fact he didn't so much as have to knock in a cable clip. Nice neat job for me, nice easy job for him. Win-win :)
I wouldn’t recommend pointing a fibre towards your eyes, even one that may be low power. Plus it’s good practice to use a fibre cleaning kit any time you disconnect.
We've had plenty worse than that at work. Besides, of all our fibre patch cable suppliers at work, none of them supply any sort of fibre cleaning kits for them.
We at FND use one click cleaner to clean both LC and SC tails. Your manager should help you get hold of these. However if the distance from exchange isn't too far, it really isnt a problem.
My building is fibre to the basement as hyperoptic found is cost effective to do this for my building as I live in a maisonette flat. As i have FTTB it doesn't need a optical network terminal instslled in any flats.
Hi, great video. I just wanted to ask, can I ask the engineer to install the ONT in my bedroom which is located at the back of my house? My PC is there and I'm using an ethernet cable. Thanks in advance.
This is truly an excellent video on how overhead FTTP is delivered annd also gives good pointers those poor folks who have to put up with OR drilling holes where they will in your house for a below ground installation. A reflection - It's quite APALLING that there is no sensible information from BT's subsidiary OPENREACH on what type of cable (size and flexibility would do) and rules - if any, where it will be run (so that the customer can make preparations, should he decide so to do). My putative supplier also has no way to find out.. Accordingly this video has shown me exactly what I need to do to prepare for OR's technician's visit Thank you, thank you, thany you (and a pox on all at Openreach - they certainly aren't open!)
@@Viewer765 existing feed was overhead, I basically made it the easiest option possible and helped as much as possible. Didn't need to splice, didn't need to drill, didn't need to even knock in a cable clip. The cable ran through the attic but I was the one up there routing the fibre from the hole in the soffit to the hole in the ceiling. I've seen newer feeds down the road (in fact the building right outside the underground fibre chamber) with the grey splice box on the wall, so I'm not sure whether they can still do an all-the-way-in job without one of those or whether it's Openreach policy to always fit one.
@@AintBigAintClever well, I've sent it out to my CFP community and it's certainly helped, so thanks! I'll send you the FAQ if you can DM me your email somehow?
As must as I think HS2 is a good thing, I can't help but think if the government wants a better economy outside of London, why not build the northern sections first.
I'm moving into a new property soon which has fttp how do you get on to the Plusnet trail? Think I wanna go with them as they seem the most reasonably priced. Wish more ISP's provided fttp and matched the fttc prices so at least you had choice and would be able to get good deals with the more competition
So is the hub 1 just being used as a NAT router (ie, if you plugged a laptop direct into the ethernet port on the optical doofus would it get your public IP (assuming this is all ipv4, rather than v6)?
I live in a rural area outside of San Antonio TX we have fiber to the house, then to a transciever and then to my pfsense box, we get it through our COOP electric company and it is Gigbit.. Not even the city offers this service.
Just had FTTP installed and BT have really cut down the size of the ONT, it's barely larger than the regular NTE5 it replaces! There is an external junction box (at least in our case) that takes the figure-8 fibre drop cable and converts it down to an APC connector for the socket on the ONT. Nice and quick compared to the old FTTC we had previously :)
Whether you get the splice box seems to vary between installations, presumably if there's a lengthy run internally they'd rather splice it than split what is quite a tough jacket off loads of cable. The building right next to the underground splitter in the video has a feed via a splice low down on the wall whereas mine comes straight in at roof level and has the SC-APC right on the end of the dropwire. I've just looked at a photo of the new ONTs, it's definitely a less obtrusive unit compared to the hardback-sized box I've got in my cupboard.
I wish I had fiber internet in my area. The 2 main providers: AT&T and Comcast are not interested in FTTP as it would cost them way too much money to install. AT&T seems to focus more on mobile internet and generally maxes at out at 50 Mbps in a lot of my town.
Might be time to move out. There's a town 20 miles from where I'm at that has FTTP installed and they can get up to 900 mbps download. As an IT guy constantly uploading and downloading from the cloud this will be a good upgrade to my workflow.
Thanks for the information. Although I am familiar with fibre since the mid 1970’s. Manly in the railway environment. I could be cynical and say about time BT court up.
Yes, just like pretty much any other broadband service. That's why the router's sitting on top of a TP-Link Gigabit Ethernet switch, which in turn feeds four others dotted around the house.
Thanks for a very informative video. I am due to have similar installed by Openreach in a couple of weeks. I will have to drill through a 2ft Stone wall as I am sure they will not enjoy that bit so I am interested in the cable dimensions. I did look at the Corning website but guess the overhead cable is custom made for BT (hence their name on it) so the spec is not listed there. I would be interested to know the width/height etc of the dual cable and also the bending radius. I am guessing that being fibre it will be somewhere between 80/150mm so wondered how you got it from the wall into the trunking unless you had a large loop. Thanks Chris
No tight bends in the attic, just a big coil of spare cable :) Just checked with a measuring tape and the cable's about 9mm across the widest point. Bend radius is the same as a £2 coin according to www.openreach.com/content/dam/openreach/openreach-dam-files/images/fibre-broadband/fibre-for-developers/guides-and-handbooks/oct-2019-update/Fibre%20handbook%20V9%20web.pdf
Nice to see what the system looks like in the UK. Here in Ireland, the ONT provided by Open Eir is mounted directly on the wall and not battery backed. The fibre cable does not include any copper conductors from what I recall watching an installation at a work colleague's home. The telephone is still carried over the separate copper line by Eir, although some providers such as Digiweb now provide it via VoIP from their router. The packages Open Eir provides in Mbps down/up are 150/30, 300/50 and 1000/100. Then again, the prices are considerably higher than the VDSL based FTTC services. FTTP stops 3 lanes from our house and there are no plans to extend it for several years as our area is an amber region, i.e. not commercially viable. The only alternatives at my place are 5Mbps DSL or 4G, so I recently signed up to a 4G home broadband package with Three and cancelled the DSL. 4G varies between 10 and 40Mbps in our area depending on the time of day and this speed is likely to drop as more people join the shared 4G cell. I sure wish the FTTP went those few extra poles further up our street.
I'm in county sligo in a small village, and just on the cusp of having FTTH, within the next 2 months engineer told me the other day - he was fitting the 3M fibre box to the wooden telephone pole and feeding the FO cable down through duct to the manhole in the pavement outside my house - going into that same manhole from my house is copper pair PSTN - I guess they will pull the FO cable alongside the existing PTSN copper thats already there in the underground duct - I had a look at the Fibre cable he was using and it was just fibre and no copper pairs built in with it . - I see eir is charging 99.99euro installation at the moment (normal price for installation €249.99 - eek!) and 45eur PM for 12months and then 81eur PM for the 'up to' 150mb download. - yes I cant see it having a battery backup unit with our one, but if a person really wanted it i suppose they could get one of these cheap PC backups and plug the indoor unit into that to keep it powered in a power outage.
I can finally get this service to replace my 5mb copper line. This is helpful, thanks. Was curious about if the old analogue phones would work with these boxes.
Three options:- 1) They keep your old line and run the hybrid fibre-copper separately (this is what happened at mine) 2) They replace your old line and run your copper service over the hybrid cable (this is what they did across the road from me) 3) They replace your old line and present your phone service on the phone socket at the bottom of the ONT In all cases the phone would still get an analogue line, but I don't know if the socket on the ONT would recognise pulse-dialling (loop disconnect) phones.
Good vid, I spent many years engineering and selling FTTH but not to BT. Great technology with the totally passive splitters and naturally Gigabit bandwidths (if not split too many ways). Retired from the industry now but always thought BT were too slow to adopt this tech. By the way the yellow fluffy stuff in the cable is Kevlar I believe...
Blame Margaret Thatcher (Google BT fibre and Margaret Thatcher think it was 1992 when it was blocked by her) BT off their own backs and money were going to replace the whole copper network with fibre to the premise
Nice to see my observational stuff backed up by someone who's been there and done that :) As for BT adoption, here's a link to what Lee X mentioned in another comment. www.techradar.com/uk/news/world-of-tech/how-the-uk-lost-the-broadband-race-in-1990-1224784
2:27 What did you mean ‘the fibre unit itself draws 4W’? Is that just for the telephone backup? Can you just leave that unplugged if you don’t use the phoneline or is that power needed to run the wall unit itself? Why doesn’t the unit just run off the copper power cables you tucked out of the way instead of all that battery backup complexity, no enough amps? If you remove the batteries, does it draw less power because it isnt then trying to charge them?
It'll use a fraction less power if the battery backup was removed and power connected straight to the ONT but if the batteries are full they're not going to be drawing power without getting hot, as obviously the energy has to go somewhere. The batteries aren't getting hot, so they're not. Phone lines don't provide enough power to run an ONT.
I was hoping to see a teardown of the gpon equipment. Was this part of super fast Cymru? Up hear in gogledd all we got was FTTC. Miles better than awful ADSL we were being served with. Though there gonna be a big problem if I want fiber. My house is fed with a cable under the ground rather than a post. I guess maybe they'll replace it with a post when they start to offer fiber.
I was thinking about it, but it's only just gone in! I may do that down the line, we'll see... By the way some friends of mine live near Pwllheli and have FTTP.
AintBigAintClever sorry didn't get a notification. Yeah it's very odd the roll out hear. Still hears hoping for a proper roll out soon. One thing I never understood why fiber wasn't used in the first place. BT aging copper network has had its day obvious with the poor investment and infrastructure we have in the UK.
@@SionynJones BT actually wanted to start using fibre in the 80's but then prime minister Margaret Thatcher blocked it saying it wasn't financially feasible as copper was ok unfortunately we are now paying for this.
Jesus man,i hav fibre to outside terminal. I download what i like, i stream what ilike. Never had an issue. Just a modem. What the fuck is your setup for? Methinks you are running a call centre from here. Home networks don't need to be that complicated.
Main switch feeds outlets throughout the house and out to the shed. Also feeds the wireless access point and a NAS. 8-port switch in living room feeds TV, Freesat box, Fire TV and DVD player, plus a spare cable for temporarily plugging in. 5-port switch in main bedroom feeds TV, Fire TV and DVD player. 5-port switch in second bedroom feeds Freeview box, Xbox and DVD player. 5-port switch in attic feeds UPS and CCTV system (used to feed a Domoticz server as well but that's moved next to the main switch now). Why not all on wifi? Because not everything can connect to wifi, plus gigabit Ethernet wipes the floor with it.
Well I moved to a large apartment building run by the municipal social housing agency. They have a contract with the CatV Provider named Rogers for TV and internet. For the last two years internet was spotty and unreliable. In March they finally brought HFC Hybrid Fiber Coax to the building using 3 fibers out of a 96-fiber cable they installed. Primary, backup and control is how the fibres are allocated. They have left to copper going to the individual units in palkce (Thus the amplifiers in each distribution cabinet) Thats all on the outside of the building to keep it from being stolen and sold.
Genuinely surprised to see Ni-MH cells in the battery backup but appreciate there's no reasonable consumer-friendly standard for lithium cells (18650 doesn't count).
Timothy Swanton UPS is very old technology but very reliable. I’ve an old UPS and never considered it good idea I’ll utilise my old UPS now thanks for sparking the idea!
Was wondering how the wire would get into my house this confirms it will be off the same pole at back of garden most likely that my phone line comes off. Just ordered the 900/100 service as price is almost the same as slower ones. Very helpful video👍
If I need to get a Symmetric Bandwidth 500 Mbps/500 Mbps Download/Upload how to get it done in GPON OLT ONT, what are the limitations and constraints ? It is a generic query
The equipment install what's demonstrated in this video is capable of 1gbps that's it's limit I'm sure you could get that kind of service the issue is finding a provider that it able to offer it
Thanks for the video, really informative. I have a similar set up at my house and have a couple of questions: 1. Does this mean the router has to be in the storage cupboard, where the FTTP wall box is fitted? If I wanted the router next to the TV is this not an option? 2. Could you please explain the difference between the WLAN plug and the 'broadband DSL' port on the router. Why is the WLAN port used in this circumstance?
The router can be up to 100 metres away from the FTTP box, linked over ethernet cable. The broadband DSL port connects to a phone line. It's for VDSL (FTTC) or ADSL. The WLAN port is used because the connection from the ONT and the router is ethernet, not telephone.
I'm getting full fibre installed on 06.01.23 ... Although obviously well protected, what happens if the fibre BREAKS? (The fibre itself, not the whole cable). I presume the data flow is interrupted, and the cable has to be replaced? EDIT: Obviously, in the four years since this video, things have moved on. As far as I'm aware, I won't be receiving a battery backup system for the Digital Voice Service. The battery backup would have to power the Fibre Connection Box and the Router for Digital Voice to work, in the event of a power cut.
@@AintBigAintClever So, exactly what I already said in my original comment? ... Interrupted data flow! EDIT: I first used fibre 32 years ago! I connected my CD Player to an offboard DAC! I recall being amazed that the data was converted to pulsed laser light and sent down a glass (more likely plastic) cable! It seemed like magic!
Super video - thanks for that, it's a great overview. I've not been able to find any information anywhere else that is as succinct. . I'll be moving from a 4G broadband connection with external aerial to FTTP in the near future - when I can figure out how and what changes I'll need to make to my home network to accomodate FTTP. In this respect, I've found ISPs to be near useless. My existing (Huawei) 4G LTE router also has a port that lets me use a SIP (VOIP) phone connection. I'd like to keep using my VOIP phones. Am I right in thinking that if my Huawei router has a WAN port, I can can plug my FTTP feed into it and not have to make any changes to my network or phones? And if there's no WAN port, i need another router?!
If it's got a WAN port then it may work, you'll need the login details from your ISP (which may not be that clear, for example I'm pretty sure mine logs in with my username suffixed with @plusdsl.net, not @plus.net as might be expected. Another option is to plug its WAN port into the LAN port on the new FTTP router. As long as the LAN and WAN IP ranges differ you should be OK (for example a 192.168.0.0-255 range on the LAN with a 192.168.1.0-255 range on the WAN, both with 255.255.255.0 subnet masks).
@@miekwest1 & @ABAC ; watch out for 2 stacked routers; you get double NAT from the PC end point in the house to the server in the Internet; can cause issues with some game applications I understand. Most newish router boxes can be configured in "bridge" mode (which may or may not mean the port labelled WAN on the box is acting like any other LAN port). FTR technically, bride mode should disable the DHCP server in the "bridged" router, so all IP address allocation is controlled by the "ISP router".
Okay you get Mbps = Megabits per second is the unit of measurement for internet speed. MegaBytes is what most flash drives and storage devices read and write data at. That is MBps. 1ms is not 1 second 1000ms = 1 second and the servers which you are connecting to should be able to handle the load, they can handle 1000Mbps depending if its local or international servers, just some food for thought.
Dialup is still available from a few 'freeish' isps (usually they deal ads or have an 0844 type number). No subscription services anymore. Might be a few very niche uses for it, like emailing your regular isp to report a fault, in out of the way areas with no mobile reception?... (altho around 70% (ime) of ADSL or VDSL faults will also take out the voice line...)
Yip, I cringed when I saw him yanking out the fibre and leaving it to one side like that, and I almost vomited when I saw him rubbing it on the bottom of the fibre box when he was reinserting it...🤢🤢🤮🤮 You'd think they'd make the flap that covers the fibre connection on the box so it moved aside as you inserted the SC connector
No, the connection from the Hub to the ONT needs to be Ethernet. It can be done with Ethernet (RJ45) outlets, but the cable needs to be at least Category 5e, not phone cable.
I have FTTP and copper connections. The previous owners of the property (which I bought) 'took' their telephone number with them. With the exception of BT, all of the normal domestic providers said that there was, according to Openreach, no room in the cabinet to install their equipment and they could not provide a fibre connection. But they could provide a copper internet service. (I tried to explain that that was because there is no cabinet, but their systems could not handle the point). Not being willing to pay BT's FTTP monopoly prices (way above others' fibre prices), I have paid for a copper internet connection, which costs £60. I spoke to Ofcom, who said that they could not force the providers to supply a service and i was not able to speak to Openreach to get them to understand the problem..
I wish the Verizon fios service would use AA rechargeable batteries for the ONT. Ours used the crappy 12V sealed lead acid battery which is overpriced to replace.
For me, I would not mind a compartment that holds 10 AA batteries. The issue with the lead acid ones is that they have a shorter shelf life than the NiMH batteries. Furthermore, even if you are going for lower cost brands, a 12V battery still costs around $18-$20+ Beyond that, I wonder why none of them try to use the li-ion 18650 batteries?
Hi, mine is newly build property and fibre modem is wall mounted in a cupboard in the front half of the porperty. do i need to connect and keep BT hub 2 in the cupboard. so we have to connect TV and all digital box wirelessly? if we keep cupboard door closed all the time, will the signal will strong enough through out the property?
The poxy road noise is not necessary at all mate. I have fibre to a box exactly like yours and into a bt hub. It works well but I should upgrade to a faster speed as I was sceptical about fibre as it could have been unreliable but it is actually very good so I will pay for a much faster connection to get the most out of it.
I came across an installation today in a large country house. They wanted their WiFi extended. From what Zen tech support said one of the standard Ethernet ports (1) on their 'Fritz!box' router was configured for PPoE. Now I believe that any router with a red coloured port marked WLAN would do the job as well. Anybody know about compatible wireless routers for this system?
Search for cable routers. Alternatively install a dedicated wireless access point to either supplement or replace the wifi built into the existing router. I use an Ubiquiti UAP-AC-PRO, with the Hub One wifi turned off.
Why is it that with virgin media it has a router /hub that goes to the virgin media socket in the wall using a coax cable, but it does not require any power for to virgin media socket? But with bt hub 2 it does need power to the bt socket ? As with bt hub 2, full fibre so obviously not using the adsl or vdsl or sdsl cable port or cable in thd hub 2 to the bt modem socket. So obviously it is using an ethernet cable from the hub 2 to the bt modem socket Why is it that the full fibre hub for this ethernet from hub 2 to bt modem socket, needs a power plug to make thd bt modem socket work? Why can't it just be like virgin media where it does not need a separate power source so obviously only thd virgin media hub needs power to it?
It's for backup power for when you need your phone and have no mains power. The VM service provides power over the twisted pair, till 2025 when they switch it off
It depends on your technology of connection. If you have FTTP (like this Openreach setup) where the fiber-optic goes to your home - the VM socket will have its own power supply. If you have HFC (coax-to-home), it will not due to the obvious reason: the fiber-to-coax connector will be in a shared street cabinet with its own power supply.
informative for me about fiber, ONT and other equipment been installed in UK. I worked in Dubai as GPON field tech FTTH and cooper to fiber migration projects (dockets and service orders) and new in UK looking for same field job. I found this almost same as i worked in Dubai. Hope to get job soon. :)
At the time Plusnet's FTTP pilot offering was FTTP at FTTC speed, at FTTC price. Basically the same service delivered over fibre instead of copper. It was still a welcome jump from the ADSL previously in use (the local cab was never provided with FTTC service and was last in the area to get FTTanything). I've just checked and 145/30, 300/50, 500/75 or 900/115 are available if I want it, but I don't need it.
@@AintBigAintClever Ah - I assume you are in an area that without the FTTC cabinet (because it looks like it was physically impossible to land it) you were upgraded straight to FTTP. This happened around the corner from me in Bridgend - I have an FTTC cabinet about 1km away, but to the right of my street, the next PCP cabinet is bang outside a pub with no room for said FTTC, they all had FTTP years ago. Only last week have I *finally* been able to have FTTP whilst most of the rest of the town have had several options for quite some time. And yes, I can appreciate ADSL straight to even 80Mbps FTTP is a massive, massive jump, because the latency is also *so* much better on full fibre.
@@gorebrush when I spoke to an engineer working on the pole by my house he said some of it was just to bring up the average speed in an area. Got a load of cabs offering an average of 60Mbit download? Drop a 330/30 FTTP cab in and hey presto, the average in the town has jumped up. They could've plonked an FTTC cab nearby easily enough. Incidentally that green cab is apparently down in its own well from where the road was raised but nobody was prepared to pay BT for the work involved in lifting the cab. We've still got areas where FTTanything is unavailable. Openreach have their work cut out if they're planning on shutting down the analogue services on time.
Getting Vodafone next week they say if the power is lost the phone will not work so are warning that people will not be able to make 999 calls. So they are not supplying battery backup.
GPON SFPs are available but it's likely to be a lot of hard work, if it can be done at all. community.fs.com/blog/basic-knowledge-about-gpon-sfp-transceivers.html
Those 'curly wurlys' that the tech used to connect the cable to the house and the pole are alright for copper cables but I don't think they should be used for fibre because the fibre is twisted and will lose power. If something breaks this is where it will happen. In Ireland we use a plastic wedge clamp style to hold the cable. We don't use that combined copper fibre either. Fibre on its own is safer as there's nothing to conduct electricity.
