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To put in perspective, I’m 71, have never wore out a screw driver, dwell meter, tach, vacuum gage and timing light, but I’ve wore out 4 laptops , crashed a few programs, burn up sensors and chased questionable wiring. I’ve run mechanical fuel injection and carburetors until 2006 the efi now I’m going back to carbs , just sayin 😊

The only thing I really like EFI for is its ability to compensate for altitude changes, since I cross the continental divide a few times a year. However, something new has been developed. A RU-vid channel called Thunderhead289 has marketed something called the Carb Cheater and it should maintain your AF ratio regardless of altitude. The Carb Cheater fits under your carb and I think its working as a computer controlled vacuum leak, at least that is what it seems like. I would like to hear your opinions on it.

Thank you!!! The world needs friends like you two...

I have installed the sniper systems for customers. It's not all it's cracked up to be. Sniper 2 probably better. On and on and on. Just like the question you raised. My money is on hardware not software !!! I have learned to be able to tune all facets of the carburetor by listening to folks like Mark Whitener, Tuner and others like David Visard (I have had the book for years) and my own experience of 45 years. To be able to tune what most consider a race engine, for the street and have good manors and good economy and make better that average numbers at the track gives me great satisfaction. Carburetor for the win.

Any EFI is only as good as its installation and the settings and tune you input.

I bought a new Edelbrock carb back in 1997 for my little 80 Malibu hot rod. That carb has been on every little hot rod and carbureted car i've owned ever since. It's not the greatest performance carb but it's been dead reliable. I've rebuilt it 3 times In almost 30 years mostly due to inactivity of the vehicle

I had customer... oh... back in '14 or so... '59 Fairlane v8... had a efi system dating to late 90s or early 2ks never could quite get it to run correctly for a long period of time... finally ended up putting a carb on it.

I've never used a stand alone, but know plenty of people who have had problems with them. I have cut down factory harness, had the ECU reflashed with good success. Why go with outdated throttle body EFI when you can have the modern version? I would rather just have a carb that works and is tuneable.

PowerNations proved that wide open throttle a 750 double pumper prevails above all fuel injection when it comes to getting to the finish line first.

Andy & David, I know you've seen this comment from me before.& I'll stand behind it until I kick the proverbial rod, "Timing light & screwdriver for the win!". 😁

I keep my 1986 Pontiac Grand Prix LE carburtated. I currently dropped in a 397 sbc stroker with 750 cfm Holley double pumper.

PowerJection III support …yep, crickets. Fortunately mine still works well for being on the car over 10 yrs.

Great points Andy! I'm analogue myself on all my classics! Keep up the good work!

Something that might be a good thing for this industry is for manufacturers to move to standardized parts that come from original OEM designs and industrial lego electronics components. Something like an Arduino so even if a manufacturer goes out of business someone else can step in and keep making the same or similar parts to work with your system.

My 5.7 hemi swapped 67 belvedere has a megasquirt 1 ECU which originally because available in 2001 and is still supported by the current tuning software, im not worried about support disappearing anytime soon. And the fact that the thing will start every single time in -20° weather with no drama is nice. The car runs low 8s in the 1/8 with a stock 04 5.7 and a stick.

EFI is great for my Factory Stock drive to work and grocery store every day daily driving machine, but when it comes to any performance type of engine build, I will take a CARBURETOR over an EFI anytime I can. I absolutely love the simplicity, less expensive, hands-on physical type measurements of a non-electrical digital item that a Carburetor has to offer---especially the Holley style designs for hands-on tune-ability. I just wish the Barry Grant Demon 4150 style carb was still available with the inner-changeable Venturis sizes and Booster design change-outs on the spot, but Holley bought BG out and ruined it for us all---at least in this reference. Thank you Andy,---btw, I really enjoyed your video about the "Stepped" style Booster vs. the regular Stock style Booster on an air-gap style intake manifold vs a "heated" or heat soaked type of intake manifold----that was truly an awesome comparison and test at the drag strip and the ET numbers that you showed at the strip as well. Very impressive....Anyway, call me "old school" if you want---I'm a CARBURETOR guy!!!

You raise a legitimate point about the possibility (or history) of the industry forcing continuous 'upgrades' on the buyer down the road. I have been kept away from aftermarket standalone EFI mostly due to cost. The actual power making potential of EFI is not significant enough to warrant it for me. If my hot rod was a daily driver it would be worth it for cold driveability and increased efficiency but as a weekend / summer toy - there is little to gain and lots of cost. Besides, there's something about tweaking a carb to go with the day's atmospheric conditions that is a part of hot rodding I'm OK with!

Totally with you till the Quick Fuel Carb part, they must send differently assembled carbs to Australia 😂, all new carbs I fit get at least a partial strip/visual check etc. Some i run test before reboxing and sending out, some go out on engines etc. QFT always have metal filings and swarf everywhere inside them. Holley not so bad, edelbrock some great some not so clean. Other than that QFT are fine.

Fuel injection is great....til it breaks😂 Honestly, I've had well tuned carbureted hopped up street cars with as good I'll bet better throttle response, able to knock down 20mpg highway with a 3spd auto, and start with a single tap of the gas in winter. Being able to fix it on the side of the road with a couple wrenches and a screwdriver tops it for me. I live the analog lifestyle 😂

Pro-M sells a unit that uses a Ford PCM, so you would think the quality and the testing of such a unit would surpass the other offerings out there.

Andy you are absolutely correct by bringing up the cell phone situation. I have a 10 year old laptop works fine except that Google will not let me upgrade and many apps will not work because the google is not up to date. And yes I have a chromebook.

Great video and I fully agree! If I had a Sniper system I know full well that the newer systems would supersede and I would have to replace. Not much different than me trying to watch this video on my old flip phone...

those Holley books by David are awesome. used that info way back to the 80s to learn Holleys

how was 318project going, really interest to se how 2barrel cab pull some power on dyno

We run the sniper x flow 1375 on E85 on a small block Mopar. We've been running it about 4 years. Most if not all of the parts are readily available at your local parts store. We tried an E85 carburetor and standalone 02 sensors and came to the conclusion that a carburetor, at least the way I do it, is a guess. The sniper targets my AFR by itself. Also the data logging alone makes the swap worthwhile

You're spot on. I've been a professional mechanic and hotrodder for 20+ years and I've seen this with efi systems and most everything else. Willwood brakes.... I have guys that have had to re-invest in complete aftermarket brake systems because they're outdated and they can't get a replacement caliper to get back on the road. Awesome video. Needs to be spread more

I have a 406sbc with edelbrock X-c8 cross ram. I toyed around with using two efi set ups on it but decided to make my own adapter to use to use two rochester quadrajet carbs facing away from each other in an attempt to have better drivability. Of course, I am still putting it all together and making my own bell crank set up to operate it. I have always been a carburetor guy bc I would rather have one run like crap than an EFI Totally crap out.

I grew up in a carburetor world. In the early '90's I remember sitting in an Upstate NY hotel room for an Accel DFI class. If you look at what John Meany worked through to his Current Big Stuff its night and day. But you can still use the data you have to upgrade. I can't speak to TBI systems but I have no problem with new stuff replacing old stuff, as long as the data transfers. We also could not comprehend tuning with individual Widebands in the early '90's, now that is common place, and aids in Carb induction tuning. WJ said back in the late '80's early '90's, the only thing a Carb belongs on is a weedwacker.

We are happy with any information we get we are car guys with projects of our own I know you work load and I am amazed on how much you get And surprised that you have to Post anything at all and being away for work good things are worth waiting for I have gained Thousands of dollars of knowledge from the both of you this is a college level course at our finger tips Thank you so much

Between upgrades and failures I think it’s going to be like you said with the cell phone comparison. Btw big congratulations on the 30K subscribers your channel has taken off!

Back in the early 90tys. I built up a SBF 347. I USD a ford GT40 intake. But used a SDS EFI system out of Canada. It used hand held control for tuning. I learned a lot about EFI system. Only limintation is it was a load system. The new EFI are still just load control MAP and not MAF

Awesome video Andy and David. You knocked it out of the park with this one. I'm a carburetor guy through and through although I do believe EFI has its place. I worked on factory systems, daily, for many years so I have a pretty darn good understanding of how it works. As for the aftermarket stuff... I like it but it's not something I'd really depend on to reliability work for years to come. As for your question Andy, it's hard to say. I was recently given a brand new unused First gen Pro Jection system minus the wire harness and fuel pump. I figured what the heck, it'd be a fun project and make some good content for the channel to see if I can get it up and running. Believe it or not, I was actually able to buy the harness brand new from Holley. Also the ECT sensor and closed loop harness. I sourced a compatible Bosch O2 sensor and will be using a less expensive off brand fuel pump. Oh and I was still able to download the manual off Holley's website. I'm all in to this thing for a little under 100 bucks and I'll eventually get around to making it work on some low performance build in the future. So long answer is yes I believe support may continue at least for the Holley owned products. Thanks again for another great video! -Tony

You are spot on. I've seen it happen in the marine market with the GM MEFI systems.

Makes me think I should build a carbureted 351 and have it set aside with some motor mounts for the previous era of Panthers so I can replace my EFI 4.6 if needed.

Nice to see you guys back on youtube. You have a good point but let me add something. My EFI might not be out of date in a few years if it still meters fuel correctly. I just finished a pro flow 4 setup on a 408 windser. It works very well and the tuning ability is way too easy. The jeep now is getting 17 mpg on interstate, 12 in town. The only gripe i have with edelbrock is their system has very little control over the vacuum advance. If you call their tech expect it to be days not hours to get very little help. I am currently working on a holly max system it seems to be much better. In my mind as long as the electronics holds up I would never upgrade my system. All the sensors used are off the shelf stuff, same as on your modern car. Go EFI and forget it. If i build something old then a carb is ok. I must say if you use a carb please get Mr. Vizards book you will need it and it’s fun to tinker with an old carb anyway.

Sounds like Snap On and their racket of not supporting older scanners. I'm a caveman, give me a carb and a hammer.... I'll make it work.

Holley does a good job of keeping up with software updates, with no hardware purchasing needed.

Midnight Australian time, I will have to watch it later

I'm glad you made this video I was thinking hard about getting an EFI for my 383 but I don't believe I will I only drive my ol hot rod once or twice a month because I work so much and my carb runs just fine I was looking ahead for blow through capabilities but if I get EFI now and procharger few years later and it don't work ant more that'd be back

Carb life for me!

I was curious when you say that. When you take the quick fuel out and you set it on the motor it is almost spot on about 98% is what I'm guessing you mean. So if I were to take one out, set it on the car and bolt it down, maybe adjust the idle screw. And give it a try?? I've swapped out carburetors from one car to the other. But they were already adjusted and worked well for what I had never actually played with a brand new one. And with 2 jobs that I'm handling. Along with raising some grandkids. I don't get a lot of time, so any info is always great and appreciated.

Congratulations on 30,000! That is an amazing accomplishment. 👍👍

I installed pro jection on customers cars back in the 90’s. A 5 gas analyzer was must to tune those things.

Andy & DV, thanks much for the video and the info....As a life long pro mechanic & hot rodder, I'm carb-centric for the most part...I've worked on a lot of EFI stuff too....For my own ride, I'll take a carb anytime, because no matter where I drive, if I have a problem, I know I can fix it in just a few minutes...Anyway thanks again for the video and for your thoughts...

looking forward to the video.. I am running at this time two 4150's on a Holley hi-ram. trying to stay old school on my build but EFI is in the back of my mind.. if thing's don't work out.. not sure about the cam spec.. @108 LSA.. I'd have to learn how to do fuel map's instead of basic carb tuning ..:(

Awesome information something to think about iv away like Holley carburettors. Was going to rebuild my 351 cleveland and try a EFI System. But now I've thinking about staying with Holley carburettor thanks for the info

Efi has its advantages. Most of these aftermarket units need To be utilized properly in my experience. A well tuned carb works just fine, a lot of people think they need these systems, at the end of the day they don't, it's marketing.

Marvin Benoit is inventor of Quick Fuel. And made QFT carbs back in mid '90's.. give Marvin credit.. Not Holley!!..

I agree and that is why I won't waste money on aftermarket brakes either.

Congratulations Andy, great job on 30k subs 👍👍💯🏁

My dad picked up an accel efi system back in 2019 at a swap meet for dirt cheep, once we got home we figured out why. After calling the company that now owns them only trying to sell us a new system with their name on it. It took till just a few months ago for us to finally find a source for the software. Good thing its for a long term project that still isnt ready

If you want convenience use efi. If you want max power carburetor wins every time with the only exception of efi having both an upper and lower nozzle in the intake tract, which very few know how to do. A properly metered carburetor works flawlessly because it only depends on the push of the atmosphere and responds to engine demand. Looks like an old 4575 you have there 😉. Excellent carb

This is a awesome and very valid point and I am going to say that maybe until number 3 then no. It is been the common thread that especially with phones and computers that after a certain amount of time they are obsolete and I don't think unless you are a digital or computer repair and programmer you are not going to be able to make certain things work unless you have a good pile and access of parts to it. After they switch to something else and they keep moving forward as also with cars you have to upgrade after you can not get parts anymore for the one that you have and like to keep. The junkyard of today is not much better than the ones of old because of the crushing of everything if it is not a good seller or is taking up room for something that they are making money for.

Will it be supported? NO They want to sell newer products. GM has done that with their parts also , you have to go aftermarket to refurbish the old motors, it’s the business model.

HWY 25 to HWY 10 O'REILLY tools used in parking lot actual miles.

Great points, buddy!

I wonder if David has any experience with the old Mercedes Gas fuel Injection systems. Could be something fun to play with there!

I think injection and 2 throttle bodies would help your engine, at least leveling out the fuel distribution issues you might be having.

Im sure your correct andy . They always update programs and tech . But the good old carby . As long as it has fuel no leaks it will run .

I agree with your take on this. I'm been a car guy forever. The last 30 years mostly Harleys. I was in the market for a newer motorcycle, and could have picked up a new one , but old habits kicked in and I got a mid 90s bike with low miles. As it sits now, it's totally analog, points, condenser and carb. Love it! I had a buddy who worked in the auto industry back in the 60s and 70s tell me that e f I was a compromise to a good tune on a ignition system Harley won't work on older Harleys

If you’re going to go injection surely port is the way to go, MoTec, Haltech or an OEM based system. Personally I fancy a couple of Dellorto DHLA45s.

I have had good luck with Holley, Quick Fuel and BLP, and will try AED on David's recommendation. The 'software" I use for those is the Holley book by Dave Emanuel I bought in the early 80's, and David Vizard's Holley book witch is fantastic. I have Ford EECIV on one of my cars, so as far as counting on support in the future, I am a no vote.

I think they actually plan for it to go obsolete in a short period of time. I buy a carburator, it has no software to be dependent on.

One thing that we don't have to speculate on is that electronics fail in Harsh environments like an engine compartment for example, all of my carburetors were used when I bought them back in the mid-nineties and they still function like they did then and the few parts that will wear are inexpensive.

Good points on carb vs EFI.

Spot on i love carbs but like injection but the after sale support is a big concern

Sorry for the long read,,,,I have a Edelbrock proflo4 system on my fe engine.I’ve had it approximately 3 years and still seems to have tuning issues. Although it’s supposed to be self learning,you still have to make some tuning adjustments using a supplied tablet,did it make any performance gains?,,,,I really can’t tell,,,,,increased mpg?,,,,maybe a little. At the time I purchased it,I thought,wow,muti-port injection, I’ve got to get that for my FE,its got to make a huge difference, It didn’t, now I worry about what I’m going to do if I’m on a road trip, or even around town and something goes wrong. Your not going to get most anything for it at a auto parts store, and a screw driver and tool box full of tools is not going to help… with all that being said, if I had it to do over, I wouldn’t do it, I’d stick with a holley carb and a well tuned Duraspark ignition.

My daily driver is carb if im in the bush fishing or hunting with a carb spare fuel pump and ignition parts gets a truck going sooner than later

Yes Quick Fuel is well built compared to others in same price range. The 4 idle screw ones are still tuned rich right out of the box for street engines in all areas. But is tunable, I’ve done it. Not to say it’s better than the old 60’s Holley’s once recalibrated and tuned. But the QF is aluminum vs the old zinc cast Holley and is way better dimensionally and straight and flat surfaces. The old Holley’s almost always need correction/machining in these areas. Not a fan of stuff that is computer/software driven………..can’t fix it with my knowledge and not interested at my age to undertake retraining.

Well stated! 👍

Halteck is king . Efi makes most sense with boost , thats why you see big hp 4 & 6 cylinder motors now

As a Boomer I too grew up on carbs and got real good at tuning for the high altitute climate... Two years ago I needed a 2100 Autolite for my 1972 F-250, went into the ole parts shead and found one still sitting on the bench.... for over 25 years, rebuilt it, bolted it on, and she fired right up and idling smoooth:) But you got to check out Thunderhead289 has built an auto tuner called Carb Cheater and I got one coming :)

Preach it Man! I have been saying the same thing since electronic ignition came out. AND GET OFF MY LAWN!

Quadrajets are poor mans fuel injection. Nothing runs better! Each are good for 500 hp and work great in pairs or triples. For big power. You should try a couple of 800 cfm QJs on mixed up boss and see some real power

This exact thing happened to me with my guitar amp. I bought a Line 6 amp with a bogner tube power amp to bring me into the digital age. That thing sounded great and it was really user friendly. Now the tube amp part of it is dead reliable, but the electronics on these amps was not the greatest and with time and heat the chips would burn up. Fast forward to now from 2007, you cannot get parts to fix them. They didn't even once attempt to do another production run of the PC boards because all of the ones for sale used out there are stamped 2007 with zero exceptions. Call up Line 6 and ask them about parts? Can't get 'em. They actually recommended to me to buy a different amp! You think I'm gonna go get another Line 6? Absolutely not. The moral of the story is that your concerns about these EFI systems are well founded. These big corporations don't give a r**s a** about you 10 years from now, as long as they can get your money now. I can go to Fender for example and get off the shelf brand new parts for my old Bassman 10 amp, and that thing is over 50 years old. I think Holley may be a bit more honorable company than the Line 6 people, but be careful who you get these things from if you don't want to be dead in the water when it needs to be serviced.

EFI is super versitile, both will perform if you tune them correctly which takes time and know-how for any setup.

Is that Dominator in the foreground the 4575? If it isn't it is something pretty close. That is my favorite carb. The only Dominator carb that came with a choke.

I have been running Holley tbi systems since the 80's. They are simple which is good for me. The old work truck has a 900cfm laptop tunable tbi from 1995 on it. Trouble is I can't interface with the ecm anymore due to new computers not talking to the dos program. Thanks

I workd in the industry in the 80ies & early 90ies....when Detroit just started with all the eletronics on motors....they were SO bad to work on....I quit the industry...!...I DIDNOT enjoy work'n on cars with all the eletronics on them....!...they since have got'n way better...BUT....they can still bite u..!...im in my 60ies...& the next car im getting will be carburetored with either point ing. or early eleltronic ing...!...THATS IT...!....when your pc @ home gets f'd up...can u just take a screwdriver....turn a few screws & it's all fine again.....I don't think so....!.....keep it simple....unless.... your gona race in a pro or semi pro cercit than u will HAVE 2 do what everyone else is doing...a few hand tools & a spair distrebitor...in the trunk & 99% of the time u can get her home.....IF....shes carbureted...!...thanks Andy & David...hope this opens a few peoples eyes...!...?..?

Every one i know has gone qft so i did and luck would have it i ended up with a bad carb but didn't know till it was out of warranty. Talked to andy about my issues and a holly engineer. Unfortunately out of warranty so nothing i can do until i can afford to replace it im stuck with it acting like garbage. But most i know are very happy with their qft carbs

Excellent video

Great points Andy, does DV have any merch?

100% with Andy on this. Don't put EFI on old school cars NA motors. It is almost always not necessary. And if you buy EFI get a proper MPI with wide-band and ignition control. Is it possible to tune ECU from 2013 with latest software tools they have? If not ... avoid. Honestly I never understood the aftermarket TBIs. They are the worst combination of carb and EFI. Cannot outperform well-tuned holley-style carb. All the complexity is there anyway. Electronics are often in high-heat location so reliability is questionable. The right way is injector spraying fuel on the intake valves. Bosch had it figured out in 1930s. It is much more tunable. It can outperform pretty much any carb setup and adapt to future changes of your engine. Why would you give the most of the EFI advantages by using TBI?

Planned obsolesence. One time I arrived at my Dad's house and he was giggling as he said, "I got the bastards". What had occured was his refrigerator failed 3 days before the warranty was up. For most of us that happens a month or two after the warranty period is over and it is less expensive to purchase a new "widge". The same as the cell phones Andy mentioned. Riding lawn mowers seem to have an issue with sticking valves. They get warm in hot weather and a valve starts stiking and eventually it quits. Go back out in half an hour and it runs fine for a short time and does the same. Talk to the small engine shop and they say to just buy a new Chinesium head for it. That sours my milk. We get bombarded with Reduce, Reuse and Recycle by guvment (big money rectums). So it is more enviornmentally friendly to purchase a replacement Chinesium head that will last maybe 5 years, while my old head gets shipped back to China to melt down cast a "new" head, machine it and ship back across the Pacific Ocean? Probably new valve springs or shim them a bit would remedy the problem with clean or replace the guides and touch up the valves and seats. I firmly believe in the Reduce and Reuse as much as possible. I am with you Andy on the EFI components. Try getting parts for any vehicle older than 10 years from the factory dealers, let alone aftermarket produced items. Is digital control better? When it is working as designed, fuel metering is more concise but not necessarily better. A well tuned or calibrated carburetor is very effective. Parts for most of the 1930 era cars are available, but may require time to receive them. Ford and Chev parts are most readily available. What might the possibilities or probabilities be of the supply of electronic parts be for '80's or '90's vehicles be when they are 90 years old? Virtually zero! And that is for mass produced autos, not soecialty aftermarket. How often can we see a Ford Taurus, Chev Celebrity or the Chrysler Cirrus cars on the road today. Certainly not today in Canada or the US eastern seaboard.

Stock up on carb gaskets!

Carberators #1 the only fuel injection I would use is factory and only with a turbo where it works well , I hear nightmares about all aftermarket fuel injection including holley!

Just look at history, the early Holley Projection, Halltech F8, B&M Superjection, the first gen Accel DFI etc... are for the most part no longer supported. These early EFI systems from the early 90's to about to the middle of the first decade of the 2000's are now basically junk if any major component dies. The Halltech and the early Accel units used programs that ran on your laptop, I would be willing to bet you cannot get those early programs to run on a modern operating system anymore. Any aftermarket EFI system you buy today, you will need to eventually replace in 15-20 years. Your 1960's-1970's carburetor will run forever.

Thanks for the video.

Hey Andy and David. This video directly addresses a dilemma I'm currently dealing with. I'm restoring a '65 Mustang for a customer. It will be powered by a slightly warmed over 302W backed by an AOD. The customer purchased a Holley Sniper FI conversion for it over 3 years ago. I have the compatable plug and play distributor and we've upgraded the entire vehicle electrical system which includes provisions for EFI to 22 circuits from the original 4. The EFI is new in the box and is already outdated. It will also likely be trouble prone according to much feedback that I've received. The customer wants FI as it will be his wife's car and she wants trouble free starts and doesn't want noise, the smell of fuel, etc. I already broke the engine in with a carb. We have a call into Holley to see what can be done. Try the Sniper we have and hope for the best...or spend more $$$ and replace it with "the most current EFI technology?" Hence, the dilemma. I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE IT CARBOURATED. I'll keep you posted.

and.. buy a new lappy w/ the newest os and try to run the software for the sniper 1 ,just checked up to 10 for the 2 as well

1997 Super Coupe all-wheel independent suspension. 1997 GT Mustang blou the transmission at 165. 1995 Mustang V6 3.8 I would call it the Oldsmobile Fords plenty of power. The world series of engines 1991 Lincoln Town Car even the hoods aluminum executive series. Most of the engine was aluminum also some of the engine was built in Italy the right serial numbers this engine is worth a fortune well to the consumer. Power and luxury some of these cars have been sitting around for 30 years 20 years very cherry. New York to Los Angeles and around Texas to Florida do you have to have a 91 Lincoln you're not going to have spark plug trouble or Teflon issues with your intake manifold. Police cars the interceptor I heard it's horrible for the spark plug issues

Andy,did you ever think about making a carb comparison video?i had an old holley 850dp back in 1985.i used it on my 390 motors and i loved it.about 6 years ago i bought a new one and sold my old one to a buddy.i am disappointed with my new one ,it dont have the zip out of the hole that the old one had.my buddy wont let me have my old carb back

I drive my carbureted car 1000 miles per year. There is absolutely no reason to swap it to EFI. My daily drivers all came with EFI, and there is absolutely no reason to swap them to carbs.....😆😆😆

It’s already a thing bud. Hptuners upgrades your dongle and the software. Send it in plus $$ and they send you the new stuff with some credits. Holley just had a software update too.

Scam might be an overstatement, but a problem is waiting to hit us all in the face: can aftermarket systems find protection under 'right to repair' without damaging intellectual property? Electronics drift as they age, affecting pulsewidth, trigger timing/quality, voltage stability etc. So perhaps... the art of blueprinting modern systems means breakout the oscillloscope now while EFI controls are new and tech support still exists to nail down theory of operation. Make our own manuals. identify parts, and remember that if chipsets are proprietary, the supply generally dies off after new units are no longer manufactured.

The 2 greatest days of my life…the day I got my sniper, and the day I took that flaming POS off!!! Never again.

I like the sniper. If it breaks I'll buy another.

👍carbs.

i don't think it will change with sniper 2 because its Holley its a big brand if i was a small unknown brand. they could disappear. holley sell enough carbs to probably fund all there efi stuff

No those systems will not be supported 10 years from now. I had that happen when the Holley commander 950 system I had died so I had to replace it with the Holley HP EFI which ended up being a good thing due to the newer system is by far way better. That being said my other hotrod has a Quick fuel 750 awesome carb.