Full Overview: Upgrading your E-Bike to VESC! 

Also a good rule of thumb the general max amount of phase amps are 3x your line amp continous discharge of your battery.. phase amp = torque, line amps = speed

You just gave us all that info that normally you have to learn on your own. Thanks man. This saves us countless hours of trial and error. Unfortunately the Thanks button isn't working for me

Trampaboards has some INSANE VESC's and were the original developers of the VESC with Ben!

This is gold! Thank you! I wish you were into Sim Racing. The VESC is used to control servo motors for the wheel base of steering wheels for the simulators. I've been researching for two weeks and no one could explain the VESC as well as you did. Its all very clear, thank you again.

Wow your channel is a godsend. I am glad I found this before I spent a bunch of money on something I would just have ended up replacing! Keep up the great work ^^

Thanks! Lots of good info. More please 🙏

Great video! Well presented and very useful information for sure.

Nice video buddy. Thanks for the detail it was very helpful.

Great channel,lot of info... Subscribed!!!

Great info. Thx for sharing!

this was super helpful 🤘🏼

Awesome video brotha!!

17:15 yes there is, first thing to check would be that your negative phase amp shouldn't be zero. Somehow when the motor ist turning backwards the phase amps are counted negative even when the torque is in forward direction. The negative phase amps should be the same value as the positive then you should have smooth full torque even when the motor is turning backwards. Also there is a safe start option in the "app" settings but this is more to ensure the throttle is zero after booting and shouldn't be turned off for safety.

Good stuff man. I didn't even know that the VESC can work with brushed motors too. Gonna have to look more into this

Just FYI: Both Flipsky and Makerbase are pretty much the same, Chinese cheap corner cutting manufacturera producing controllers that use the VESC firmware and the open source designs, but they are not ”VESC”. The original VESC with the rights to the brand and which is actually made by Vedder hinself are sold by Trampa as far as I know. Those cheap ”VESC based” controllers also are often missing important components such as phase filters (to be as cheap as possible), so their performance can range from not bad, to explody and smoky. That said in the community on Discord, many people seem settled that Spintend VESCs are actually the best price/performance option if you dont want to buy the originals from Trampa/Vedder.

Definitely, the wiring video is needed. I got a old 6.6 dual vesc that I want to put on my mx650 with a 2000 watt motor, but I have no idea how to get the wiring done right.

yes, a wiring video please 😀

Thank you

Thank you so much for your channel! We moved to Ecuador (we're Americans) not too long ago to help family. I don't want to have a car but need mobility. Moped-style electric Scooters are super prevalent here, I bought one and would love to know more about what I can do to upgrade its performance. So, really liking your channel! And I am not sure how much of the things you can get in the US can be found here. Lithium batteries are definitely expensive here.

I recently bought the baserunner from Grintech and it sounds like a very similar experience.

They should make this kind of controller but veered towards Ebike users and make it easy to understand and install. Just plug and play and that would sell like hot cakes.

Great Video. I put a VESC in an electric unicycle.

This got you a fella a like and subscribed.Keep going. I am building a 1500-watt trike.

To avoid battery damage, you must also make sure the battery amps you pull does not exceed the C-rate of your cells.

Good video

Very interesting, sir. I'll check it out. Thanks.. good work. Peace Prospector Tripp

Subscribed! Thanks Peace Prospector Tripp

A wiring guide would be amazing

I have one flipsky dual vesc on my converted garden tractor/mower. But recently after two year's of use the mosfets for the drivetrain gave in. Replaced it with a generic BLDC-controller. Now i really miss the regen braking and the smoothness the vesc had.

I’m glad you know what ya up to 😂😂😂. Might update my bike.

Neat. I’d never heard of those being used for anything other than eskate and onewheel applications. I wonder if you could configure it with wheelie assist! That would be cool. I’d love to see a comparison between this and a Kelley controller. I have one razor with a Kelley that came tuned for me and another with a cheap vevor kit that really needs a better controller.

Lots of things I'd like to point out. Since VESC is open source, any companies can make VESCs. Flipsky ones are the best budget option, but they are not original vescs by any means. They are built in china to lower standards and overall lower quality, much better than standard ebike controllers though. (they also are making a brand new vesc str 500, which can do up to 500 amps cont. at 22S, 40kw). If you want an original vesc, you'd need to go to Trampa boards, but they are very expensive. Yes they have no display, (official vesc display also coming soon but like $130) but a Bluetooth module will be the best add on. And using your phone as a display is leagues better than most ebike displays. Showing all sorts of stats from battery percentage and voltage, real time usage and temps, efficiency, etc.. Most flipsky controllers *can* be updated to the latest firmware, but they will have issues! Most don't have phase filtering hardware, so if you forget to turn the setting off it will destroy the controller. My flipsky also completely failed to properly detect my motor on the latest firmware. (the motor would spin horribly and randomly stall). I had to downgrade it to an old firmware to tune my motor, then update back to the modern one to get the latest features. If you need a small amount of power, you can get 5v from the PWM + and -, since you probably won't need those for an ebike. But that's only enough for maybe some LEDs or a small cooling fan. I used 20-25 amps of motor braking current and it slows you down pretty fast. But it is not as strong as a mechanical brake, and when the motor spins slowly it has almost no effect. Regen braking is much stronger the faster you are moving, Overall vescs major downside is complexity, but for nerds or people willing to learn, they are super awesome. So versatile, and with new things like silent HFI (which can make a sensorless motor feel like it has hall sensors), very promising future.

I wish this video existed before I spent a bunch of money on votol controllers 😖 I can’t even connect to them to program them properly , such a tremendous pain in the ass and to top it off they are massive by comparison

Wow, I bought a 75100 Pro last month & returned it for a 75100 Pro V2 with the key switch & voltmeter. It has a system power output for running lights & a horn it looks like. With a phone app a control screen becomes un-needed & brakes are on the com 2nd signal after throttle someone commented.

Hi, thanks for the video. Did you happen to solve the problem of the safe start feature?

About the safe start feature I had the same problem when profile set to 0 brake Don't leave it at zero and it should work at least for me it's solved the problem❤🎉

I have a 48v 2kw Razor MX650 and I am interested in something like this but I have questions.... Many, many questions. 😂

We use Vescs in out Balance skateboards "Onewheel's" And they are starting to get nuts. I wish the user interface was a bit easier but its w/e.

I have a flipsky 75100 and with a heatsink and thermal pad the same size as the back of the controller I never go over 33C even when pulling 5.5kw which is about the max I’ve gotten out of it. It could just be me but I have never gotten regen braking to work on it even though it said it supports it…

Great Video! Will subscribe! I have smoked a few of these controllers trying to get software to work with my setup. Can you upgrade the controller firmware via bluetooth adapter and IOS app? I am running on Mac OSX and it seems they aren't replying to emails at the VESC website anymore. Anyway Cheers!

And if it can be used with a DD hub motor I would love to see any wire diagram

My battery has no name China cells that have a max continuous discharge of 18amps. I'm almost certain pulling more than this (30+a) would kill my range and possibly damage the cells. I'm saving up to build myself a decent 52v battery with decent BMS before tinkering with the controller..

Oh and the boxy flipsky 75100 (The one that looks like a normal generic ebike controller with all the wires sticking out one end, but in black) tends to ship with the wrong firmware.. apparently..

@6:51 Analog to Digital _Converter._

Great video, but there are tons of VESC producers. Trampa Tronic Maytech Spintend LilFocr Just to name a few

Very interesting the trade-off between low-speed hi-torque operation, and higher speed…reminiscent of the old days they had a manual lever on the steering wheel, they moved to advance the ignition timing, when they wanted more power, but they retarded the timing when going slower needing more torque. Obviously modern ICE technology, does this automatically. So I suppose that’s what’s needed here, but great vid. Question, does it allow regenerative braking/charging of the battery? The idea this is not terribly useful on a bicycle, I don’t buy into - what I would believe, is the tire wear would bust your b@llocks. Anyway, thanks for this. EDIT woops, you cover this later in vid! Thnks.

I broke the hall sensor connection ... Any ideas??

I just got me a wxbull Controller and Made my bike slower in all aspects

There is so many different bluetooth ebike controller and why you put lower controller with those kinds controller

how much more efficient? i have a 72v 35Ah(50/100A) battery, 2 motor 2000W each(slightly warm at full power till bms cut off. at 25kph, 110+km at 40kph, 80+km at90kph, 20+km. what can i expect with a 75200?

Nice thanks! Can it be set up to send the regen to a supercap bank, so regen never goes direct to a battery on load? So then each time the super capbank is full it automatically recharges the batteries? Then can leave the regen on charging the very low resistance super caps? Or can act as turbo boost lol

Do these work with a screen/hud? I'm thinking about one of these controllers for my ebike. I'm running a standard KT controller 45amp max 25amp continuous. My battery is 48v 30amp BMS

ok, so will this kill me if I put it on my EUC?

This looks interesting, but I'll need to add a rotation sensor or torque sensor to make it legal here in Europe. With just the throttle, it'll be categorised as a moped or motorcycle, requiring registration and the proper license. Any idea if that works with this?

Yoh overselling the controller big time

hi...good report...but you seem to know what your doing...you think....you can get an automotive wheel conversion motor...attach the fixed piece of the motor to the backplate of the brake shield...run the conductor there...also put an insert into the factory wheel for the rotor part f the motor...keep it under your hat .....you rmind me of me...better things to to... keep up the good work... god blessed you...

I have been trying to get the 75100 to work on a geared hub motor, any advice? It goes but has no power or speed, and makes a lot of noise, needs a rolling start too

Wire that up to a surron motor if its possible im sold

Sorry for my ignorance but is the amp rating on any regular esc the motor line amps or the battery input amps? i find this very confusing

Can these work good on a direct drive hub motor

hi...something else...try puttin a bicycle multi sprocket with a derailer on the e motor side..... mmmm.....i would check the speed limit...thanks...

are you running the hub motors on FOC?

Would this work on an electric scooter?

emoto?

you should also talk about higher quality controllers like MakerX D100 and the SKP Solo

How bout 75350 for a qs273…. Trying to get 15kw of power… got a 72v 42ah battery, this would be smaller and lighter then far driver 72450 & savbaton 72200

ADC = Analog to Digital Converter

why stop at 72 volts, why not 96 volts or even better 192 volts!

I like square wave better..more torque and takeoff power..sinewave are SLOW!!! Take off AND half the throttle is deadspace..hate it..PLUS!, square wave is a more proven, and "reliable " technology..fact

It'd not ebike

take off the peel from your glasses wtff

I have a 48v13ah 1500 and it's melting the wries. Can I turn it down to 46 v Will this solve the problem or do i need a larger battery. Please someone help me out. I don't know what to do. I can only go for a mile and have to Wait for the battery to build up its full power and Wait for it to cool down. Batteries are new and good I tested them.