I was there, too, invited as an owner. Love my 2021 Launch Edition Polestar 2 that I've had for nearly 3 years and can't wait to upgrade to a Polestar 4 when it arrives here in the 'states.
My thoughts on the lack of window: It makes the car lower, better interior space It makes the trunk far larger, as the cargo doesn't need to be below the 'window' line anymore Rearview visibility in my Polestar 2 already sucks anyways... So yeah, win-win.
It would be awesome if the Polestar 2 gets upgraded with a digital rearview mirror (while also keeping the current window) at some point in the future. As you say the window doesn't provide that much visibility anyways, but it's still nice to have IMO.
Great video and uhhh... I guess I really did buy the last Polestar 1 they had at HQ - whoops! I love the brand and their design language but I can't help but think how much cooler it would be if they would focus less on design / working with suppliers and push more towards in-house engineering focused on the core Polestar performance values. Fingers crossed they don't just become a straight parts bin collector of Geely stuff.
In a time where it feels like so many EVs are starting to look like each other as they all push for more aero, I feel like Polestar is really killing it with these designs. The Polestar 4 is obviously the most "Geely" as it's on their platform, but even that design is stunning to me. It's my favorite actually.
Curious why you think they are not putting a lot of focus on Polestar performance values? When I visited Polestar HQ few months ago I got pretty strong feeling that they really focus on performance and chassis tuning (maybe not quarter mile stuff ... but enjoyment of driving Polestar).
People need to know what Polestar is. Too many don't know that it is the skunk works of Volvo and basically is an offshoot of Volvo and think it is some Geely created brand like Zeekr or Lynk and Co. is. The auto press needs to explain the history of Polestar as a Swedish racing company, then Volvo tuner, that they started around 1995 and today's Polestar is a Swedish company with a Chinese parent and not a Chinese company. There's a lot of misinformation about Polestar. They also need to know why Polestars are expensive. Volvo Polestar Engineered cars have always been more expensive than regular Volvos due to the sportier tuning and set up. Polestars aren't meant to be inexpensive. They also should know that Polestar is full of ex-Volvo designers and engineers and their CEO was head of Volvo design during the SPA (current XC90, s90, s60, XC60, v90) cars along with their top designer Max Missoni. Now there is a Zeekr connection creeping into both Volvo and Polestar in reskins and rebrands of Zeekrs. Polestar's version is the Polestar 4, hence the differences in the interior and overall look than the other Polestars. Volvo's version is the EM90, a rebrand of the Zeekr009. I don't know if there will be many more of these types of rebrands from the Swedish makers but there may, at least for the Chinese market. I like the Swedish designed/engineered Polestars, 1, 2, 3, 5, 6. As far as core Polestar values, don't you find the work in England with ex-Lotus engineers on the Polestar 5 encouraging? The bonded chassis?
Their main eye-catchers are in-house. Polestar 5 and 6. The volume cars are based on Volvo and Geely-platforms. It's the way you have to do it as a small company. Polestar's not aiming at making more than say 300-400k cars per year, that's Porsche level. And just as Porsche engineers their bread and butter sports cars in-house, they don't engineer the platforms or drivetrains for Cayenne, Macan, etc. Polestar is very similar to Porsche in this way, it's just that their pure-bred sports EV:s haven't launched yet.
Polestar 4 is pretty much finished as it is already in production in China and selling in China right now. The PS3 goes into production in early April/May in China and the US factory goes online in June/July, something like that. Polestar 4 goes worldwide in early 2024 with first deliveries around the summer probably as well. So it will be a very intense 2024 for Polestar tripling their lineup and becoming one of the big boys in terms of pure EV brands. Will be very fun to see the PS3 and PS4 on the roads next year. In addition to this, the Polestar 4 will be produced in South Korea for the SK and US markets (avoiding import tariffs in the US) from 2025 too. So they're really coming along nicely with production in China, US and South Korea. There are also rumors that Polestar will share Volvo's new factory they are building for EV only production in Europe soon, was Slovenia or Slovakia (can't remember). If anyone is wondering why it has taken so long to start producing in Europe, it is because they are waiting on their new battery factory which is being built in Sweden to be finished. Once that goes live they'll start producing more and more EV:s in Europe as well.
Rear Windowless: Like with anything new, the more you drive the vehicle you will get used to it. Today I drove a Cadillac Lyriq Sport 3 with the mirror that shows what is behind the car as you drive. Granted you are not constantly looking at the mirror but you can see what's back there as needed.
I love the design language polestar have created through their vehicles. Very interesting and different, high quality cars, performance orientated. Polestar 4 is interesting to me, I don’t understand why people keep getting hung up on whether it is a SUV. It doesn’t matter the label, it looks like a much more streamlined car than the typical bulky SUV whilst being very spacious. The lack of rear window is fine if you get a high quality video. In my P2 I think I would prefer a video because you can see so little anyway
Regarding the rear window, or lack thereof on the Polestar 4. To be fair, it's not the removal of the window that has me all that worried. As a Polestar 2 owner, the rear window on that is already pretty much useless, so I welcome the idea of a dedicated rearview camera setup. However, all the winter testing I've seen done for the Polestar 4 was either in Sweden/Norway and what appeared to be a winter test track in China. I've asked directly to Polestar about how clean/clear the rearview camera remains under winter driving conditions and Polestar swears that they designed the housing so that snow does not and cannot build up there. That might be true. But I'm very curious how it handles New England winters, where you get a combination of loads and loads of salt (unlike Scandinavia) and warmer/wetter maritime snow. The result is that 100 yards after cleaning your rear window, it is absolutely caked with brown snowy sludge. Even if it's not wet, all the crushed road salt floats around as dust, collects on any and all rear facing surfaces, and then once it does snow, those surfaces act like glue, holding snow, road grime, etc.. I just don't see how the dedicated rear cameras, even placed up high, avoid this fate. And Polestar flat said they are not considering adding a washer feature. So at that point, for 5-6 months out of the year, I'd really be without a way to see directly to the rear of the car at all.
Norway is all about endless slush and maritime snow. I mean, it would be impossible to miss those days even in Sweden or Finland that are generally drier, where after five minutes of traffic spray, absolutely every surface is just caked with either slush of this weird dusty crap that takes over every spring. That said, I share your worry, I don't see any housing or camera placement being able to solve it, it would have to a be a washer - no matter what the design team says. I would personally expect just a box van experience really. Like with the ioniq 5 with no rear wiper. That thing effectively does not have a rear window - and despite tons of complaints, they have not added a damn wiper yet. Personally, I'd just prefer a window, I don't really see the benefit of this desing in any shape or form. I would see a benefit of not having that stupid panoramic glass roof - I hate how they just radiate cold down the neck when it gets properly cold. And that to me doesn't really speak highly for the general winter preparedness of this thing. I know it's a niche thing as days that cold are not common, but for a person who pretty much only drives during winter, it's a thing. It seems to me that every EV company insist on having several stupid features that are borderline if not total deal breakers. Another example for me would be that everything on a touchscreen approach. Hell, I'd pay extra to have a smaller screen and actual physical controls for the few things I actually use and all the features that need to be set up once on that touchscreen..
@@TeeFunkable right, I've been there and driven there in the winter. The missing element is salt and brine. The northeast of the US uses more road salt per length of road than any other country in the world. Just to give an example, Norway uses around 320k tons per year. Massachusetts uses >350k tons per year, and that only accounts for state and municipal usage. Norway has over 59k miles of public roadway, while Massachusetts has near 36k. So to be real rough about it, we put nearly double the road salt down, per mile of public road.
I'm fine with the camera mirror, just make damn sure the reliability and keeping the camera lens clean and clear is nailed down. I do hope they keep a PS2 sized hatch in the line-up and really, really dream of a Polestar wagon. Big SUV and sedans are all good and fine for those who crave that, but damn it, please, please keep a smaller hatch and bring in a wagon.
As a dog owner I always have my dog's face from the backseats in the middle of my rearview mirror. So digital rierview mirror is really good thing to have. Also as a previous owner of Volvo C40 that slim back window was useless.
This was anti-algorithmed for me for some reason (must have been the dig on Tesla) but I absolutely want that Polestar 6 for my midlife crisis vehicle.
I know many people want v2g. But if we think about second hand market for cars it is a problem. The car may show less mileage but the battery will have actually a higher mileage due to more charge and discharge cycles. It's almost like dialing back the odometer.
It is A shame that Polestar vehicles LOOSE 60% of the New Car Value when you drive off the lot!! Look on line. MSRP $72,000. Polestar 2 Tech and PERFORMANCE PACKAGE LOADED and now you can get a 2022 used with less then 1,000 miles selling for $34,000. Unbelievable so this activity has pushed several buyers away. Especially because Hertz bought a lot of Polestar vehicles. I purchased my 5th VW ID-4 Pro S. Because it’s a excellent vehicle for the price and the charging curve is acceptable
When I’ve driven with a camera rear view (Ram 1500), I’ve found that the camera view reads as something the distance from my eyes vs a mirror’s reflection, which reads at the distance(s) of whatever is in the view. My glasses aren’t very strong, but I wonder if someone with strong distance glasses might have trouble with a camera rear view. There are clearly benefits, but that seemed to be one big detriment.
Posted this over on the Podcast from the other week, but will share here again. The numbering post-Polestar 2, was intended to reflect the year they entered the global market (not just a single market). Polestar 3 = 2023 (until it, along with the EX90, was delayed) Polestar 4 = 2024 (China just started, but global rollout in 2024) Polestar 5 = slated for 2025 rollout Polestar 6 = slated for 2026 deliveries
It's not the year of introduction, it's the order they were introduced. In any case, it's a terrible system that means absolutely nothing to consumers and the market in general. If you're going to use a numerical nomenclature for your model line-up, that numbering should reflect how the models relate to each other and fit into the model range, and be clear and easy to explain and understand. Polestar's systems is anything but that, and will just confuse customers. The fact the numbering system gets discussed and requires explanation speaks to and demonstrates the flaws in it.
Wish Polestar 3 gauges didn't look so much like the Mach-E's. The interior is nice but too much like a mix of the Ford and the Tesla. I've sat in a Polestar 3 so that's first hand.
I’ve rented a few Polestar 2’s but my legs felt cramped due to the high console. The other models look great, but I would never buy one until made in N America including battery.
The only reason the Polestar 4 has a landscape center console is it is based on the Zeekr001. Polestar, AFAIK, is not going to landscape if it is an original Polestar design like all the other cars on display. Volvo/Polestar are doing portrait center screens for now. Anything slightly tall is called an "SUV" now. It's marketing BS. The Polestar 4 looks like a tall hatchback sedan. But it is considerably bigger and taller than the 2.
1. i'd take a rear view camera over a tiny rear window, but my chief preference would be to have big windows all around... that said, i'm kinda concerned that there didn't look to be a washer aimed at the rear cameras. some winter days, ur going to want a way to clean that off without leaning on the car (cause the camera's salted up, and ur gonna get ur clothes salted up reaching over to wipe it. or it's covered in freezing rain, and u either wait for it to melt or drive without it) 2. retracting door handles. polestar, if those handles can't be activated or won't punch through 1/4" thick freezing rain, get rid of em. design language wise, i'm fine with polestar's exteriors. but i'm not a fan of their interiors. I know sandy munro loves their clean aesthetic, but for me, they're sacrificing a little too much in utility to get that cleanliness. some things deserve dedicated touch points. it's okay to have that dedicated touch point be on a touch screen. but despite using google android based software, the customisability for a user to decide [i want function x on my home screen all the time] isn't a thing. give us customizability or give us back some buttons.
Saying there's "sensors" that can override the effect of a camera being blocked is just not true. People like to claim radar and lidar is needed for redundancy. But basic logic tells you that you can't have a self driving car if your camera tech doesn't work. Without a camera system, a self driving system will not be able to operate in *any* scenario that require the ability to detect photons...which is basically *every* scenario when driving a car
Vision is naturally absolutely needed, but Lidar can still in case of cameras blocked give full view of what is front of you. You do not see text or what reads in traffic signs, but you can avoid hitting them at least. And for sure it complements vision and provide highly reliable range information (unlike vision). You could say that different sensors have different capabilities and none of them is master of everything (which would be of course great, but not reality).
The back looks a lot like a Cyber Truck; the copycats have already started. I clicked the thumbnail, thinking it was a Cyber Truck, before even reading the title. It just shows the style Tesla used for the squared-off box and triangles that so many love to hate, is what other companies think the market wants.
@@mho0 Lol, sure, because the rectangle high back break lights were such a common design before first being used on the unique shape of the Cyber Truck. You can just say you like the look of the Volvos design over Teslas.
@@weblukeAnd yes. I can also say I like Volvo and Polestar design over Tesla. A lot actually. For some reason I have weird feeling that I am not the only one. That said I like Model S even though it starts to look a bit old nowadays.
Aren’t natural fibers basically made of plant fibers and plants are carbon based. So not carbon free. All earth based plants and animals (all known living things) are carbon based so not carbon free
When someone says carbon free they mean that the production of this part and its lifecycle in use is not emitting any carbon dioxide or other environmentally problematic gasses into the atmosphere. Plant based things are biodegradable. Plastics are not to the same extent (even though they are recyclable, but oil based).
Polestar and Volvo more generally is best thought of as a Chinese brand. I'm sure many car enthusiasts on this channel are aware, but I think it's important to make this sort of thing clear to U.S. consumers.
In a sense that Geely is pumping money to develop those cars: yes. So if you want take money from Geely/China in a form of nicely designed sporty car, Polestar is good way to do it.
@@mho0 It's nearly impossible to avoid Chinese products entirely, but I do what I can. Making a large purchase from a country that's antithetical to my country and my values would eat at me.
It is. I'm not sure how many people outside of those commenting on these types of social media think Volvo is Chinese. They've heard about Volvo for a long time as some sort of European car company.
I'm no fan of Vision but people are not understanding Lidar /radar also performs horribly in weather.. Waymo and cruise did not do driverless in the rain.
Heavy rain should decrease LIDAR range only 10% - 20%. I would not call that horrible... Fog is bigger problem and range can drop 50%. And in practise also older (like 10-15 years ago) adaptive cruise controls were able to see through heavy snowfall much longer than human eye. So trying to say that not perfect solution at all but still hugely better than vision only.
Not true of Polestar. Some started out as concept and turned into production cars. The Polestar 1 is the Volvo Concept Coupe. The 2 is the Volvo Concept 40.2 The 5 is the production version of the Precept. The 6 is the production version of the 02 roadster. I don't think the supercar will become a production car out but most of the concepts have come out.
Pretty useless video, more like a 3min commercial stretched out with a lot of talking to fill in. No interior detail and no real specs. I FF through a lot of it.
Great styling on these Polestars. Tesla won’t last. Especially with Elon lost half his potential sales from liberals, by voicing his politics. Dump Tesla stock now.