As a new yorker from orange county home of the 124Th N.Y which fought the 1st Texas and 26th Arkansa at the Triangle ..my town comprised Co.H&part of Co.I ..I LOVE the FLAG of our nation and RESPECT the confederate flag ..I LOVE THE MEN of Both SIDES because before and AFTER we are ALL BROTHERS ..sorry about being long winded and GOD BLESS our BROTHERS and SISTERS in the SOUTH!
I was walking back from the monument to the 124th a year ago year this week. I met a man and woman walking towards it and we got to talking. They were from Orange County heading to see their monument. My county had our guys on Little Round Top. I think it's cool to meet people there. You learn a lot.
These Lecturers from the Gettysburg Battlefield, are outstanding in their delivery and the ability to absorb the listener,quite brilliant, John Anderson watching on wifes computer with permission.
As a veteran myself the point of view of the veterans that fought under it should trump all others,all other views are irrelevant, the Southern boys have every right to be proud of their banner just as anyone else would be of any other combat banner
I hope do a lecture on the Confederate Army of Tennessee, I also been bias to them. They were a fantastic group of men who ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fought in the war.
(1) Fantastic presentation that, I feel, NEUTRALLY navigates the history of the Battle Flag, as a historical presentation should. (2) How many of the people who left comments below actually watched all 59 minutes?
My family history and heritage is honored and humbled by the humility of the Confederate Flag and those soldiers that were and still are American. Thank you, Robert A. Pickett.
Robert Pickett you family are rebels and the only way they could be readmitted was to denounce that fool thinking that they could leave to keep their way of life, we raise the American flag in victory of a slave holding society that shot should be remembered but not over our AMERICAN state capital only in museums so we don't forget that foolery
@@metroguy4879 History still says the issues of the American civil war still makes all of it American, so freedom of your speach and my speach, meaans I can still dispaly it, anywhere I please. It is my heritage, and right.!!!
@@metroguy4879 I know it is, cause to rewrite history just to ignore it is a total dishonor to those men on the other side that had kin on the other side of the equation.!!! You can snatch down every state flag you feel is symbol, but don't try to change history it belongs to all of us.!! When you start messing with graves you should go to JAIL, that's my personal feeling.!!!!
The Confederate Battle Flag has also flown in every American war since the Civil War. Southern Boys all through history have carried their flags to foreign lands. They were even in Iraq. Its a sign of Southern Pride to us....and its flown in battle by American soldiers. It reminds them of home and tends to boost morale among southern boys who miss home. I see nothing wrong with that. I saw tanks with them in Iraq and it was great to see! You would also be real surprised how many Northern boys like it too
Many omissions that paint a very different picture A lot of propaganda But at the end of the day, Southern history is American history,it should never be erased.
Waylen confederate history, how the hell you can you break off from the country and still be part of the country that don't make since, that's like having cake and eating too🤦♂️ stay over there rebel traders and fight
The 28th Virginia's flag was not sent to Minnesota until the early 1900s for a reunion of the 1st Minnesota Infantry. It was then those veterans refused to return the flag to the War Department. I have an essay about this from a Minnesota Historical Journal from the last 20 or so years in my flag files.
As a Minnesotan, i would be willing to return the 28th Virginia Battle Flag. However, with one demand. It may only be unfurled halfway. So to Honer those brave Men who fought under it. Who very nearly won that bitterly contested Battle.
The impetus for the 1905 CS flags return was the Spanish-American War. Some former CS generals commanded troops in that war; thousands of men wearing blue uniforms had to be moved through the South to Tampa, Florida for the Cuba Campaign and President William McKinley, a Civil War veteran himself (23rd Ohio Infantry) knew he had to have Southerners support the war effort and Southern men would fight in it. The head of the Ohio GAR was also vehemently against the 1887 flag return and his comments make Fairchild's look tame!
It has indeed become old listening to those whose understanding of the conflict is so simplistically and myopically reduced solely to the issue of slavery - regardless of how convenient and/or simple such a reductionist interpretation maybe for the simple minded.
Paul Robert Baltzer What is truly sad is that folks like yourself continue to come along and interpret comments that lament that fact that so many HAVE indeed tried to do exactly that by attempting to reduce a complex symbol with myriad associations to a simplistic meaning that suits their myopic purposes is indeed tiresome. ...And, to paraphrase Bill Engvall , 'Here's your sign.'
+sdushdiu Ah yes, the classic historian Bill Engvall. Very good. I have not stated any opinion. To state that this complex symbol was not misused and scarred in the 20th Century truly is "myopic and tiresome"
Paul Robert Baltzer Fuckwad, and to reduce the nature of a complex symbol to the misuse of a few derivative idiots is indeed myopic and tiresome - but then its more than a bit ironic considering that you fit right into such a crowd. Now fuck off.
The main criticisms of the red flag with the St. George's cross, which was a flag used in the secession era in South Carolina already, came mostly from the politically powerful Jewish community of Charleston, SC. Charles Moise, one of their leaders, write to Miles at the Flag Committee saying that Jews could not support a "Christian" flag. Never mind that the St. George's cross, which is English, was not really the Christian cross, the Latin cross is, but also fundamentalist Christians wrote in saying that that symbol was an incorrect use of the cross of their church. Several of the flag design submissions to the Flag Committee featured this by the way. The submission of Miles bore only seven stars at the time and it looked asymmetrical - one member of Congress called it "a pair of blue suspenders." When Miles and Beauregard conversed about creating a "war flag," after the latter tried to get the First National replaced by the Congress, he showed Miles a design he had received from New Orleans from Edward Hancock. It bore a St. George's cross. Miles basically said he was not going down that road again and showed instead his design, which looked better now that more states had seceded.
Great lecture. I understand the pressure to remove items for sale that are solely representations of the Confederate battle flag, but I believe its unfortunate and extremely disrespectful towards the veterans of the battle.
Great speech! Very balanced history. A little more discussion of Miles and Beaurgard and the creation of the Confederate Battle Flag, its making by the ladies of Richmond, and its first presentation would have been good.
Wow! The Snowflakes need to see and to pay attention to this lecture! Nice research and a great non biased presentation of a lightning rod of a subject. Job well done Chris Gwinn!!
About 1962 we took a tour of gettysburg i think it was a college kid rode with us and gave us the high points one of the things he said was three days before the soldiers arrived thousands of buzzards descended on Gettysburg ?is this correct ?
The battle flag has indeed represented different things to different generations. To my generation, it represented the good ol' boys from Hazzard county, never meanin' no harm.
Agree it took on a new meaning in the 70s and 80s as just the South. I doubt Skynyrd or Tom Petty were trying to be edgy or dog whistle when they used it.
One question I have though is why is that battle flag flown over the graves of soldiers who never fought under it? Union Soldiers get a US National flag... The Confederates don't use any of the Confederate national flags.
They do have national flags at these historic sites. The question I always wondered is after alot of these battlefields the dead were buried in mass graves some times Confederate and Union soldiers were buried side by side so alot of these graves are a hodgepodge of both .
it troubles me to see the people who are supposed to be educating about history to fall into lock step with radical censorship, Ace Champion Ohio Volunteer infantry
People are so stupid they don't want to educate themselves but yet they want to have an opinion when they do not know nothing about it it's Heritage not hate know your facts people
Only idiots tie their 'Heritage' to a bunch of slavers that formed a Confederacy to preserve an institution of slavery that only lasted for 4 years while ignoring your 'heritage' of over 200+ years of Union. You all just refuse to let the Confederate States of America die like it should have 160 years ago.
It never should have been placed on any monument in the first place. It dishonors the memory of the brave GAR veterans who sought to keep it from fouling the sacred battlefield at Gettysburg.
Sionnach MacBradaigh fuck the GAR and the Sons of Union Veterans for their cowardice for keeping silent on the recent removal of ALL monuments and statues. I laughed when they pulled down Grants statue. It’s called Karma. Did you Yankees who think you are holier than thou would be exempted from the destruction of your monuments and statues? It was funny wasn’t it when the were pulling down confederate statues? Now y’all are freaking out that it’s happening to yours.
@@100texan2 monuments to “Slavers and Traitors” an ancestor of mine from Illinois , who served in the Union Army, called the Confederates he fought. The Confederacy stood for preservation of the abomination of Slavery. I’m glad they lost so miserably. I wouldn’t mind if their memory was erased, except as a warning. Germany today does not honor the memory of the “hero’s” of the Wehrmacht.
@@jonathanhansen3709 l doubt your ancestors were even on this continent, at the time The War Between the States was being fought. With that surname, they were in the flood of the era to see The Statue of Liberty being built or finished.
@@carywest9256 my mothers side, the Primers, and Mangold’s both fought on the Union side of the Civil War. My mother’s great-grandfather Mangold was the source of the “Slavers and Traitors” quote.
I do believe that you may be a little bias, the slave holding South? unfortunately there was a slave holding North also,and in areas occupied by federal armies it was protected,there were also slaves being sold about four blocks from the white house during the war,everybody wants to hang slavery in a four year period in the south,sorry folks it lasted far longer under the American flag than the Confederate flag,also it didn't end in 65 after the war it remained active in neutral states until 1868....just get it right, Ace Champion Ohio Volunteer Infantry
Slavery ended in DC in 1862 with compensated emancipation. I don't know where you got 1868 but slavery ended with the 13th Amendment and the end of the war in 1865. You have no clue what you are talking about.
@@wolverineeagle I think he does have a clue. New Jersey fought on the side of the Union in the Civil War but, according to Jim Gigantino, professor of history at the University of Arkansas, New Jersey was the most enthusiastic Northern state when it came to holding on to slavery years after other Northern states had ended it. Just before the end of the Civil War, New Jersey even voted down the 13th Amendment abolishing slavery, only voting to ratify it in 1866, after the end of the Civil War and Lincoln’s assassination months earlier. One notes that the state of New Jersey failed to ratify the 13th Amendment on 16 March 1865, and did ratify only on 23 Jan 1866, after several of the "Southern" states had already done so. As noted elsewhere on IPBiz, slavery was practiced in southern New Jersey at the time the Civil War began. I don't know where the year 1868 came from.
It still is. All flags have Dule meanings. To the British the US flag is a symbol of rebellion just like the Confederate battle flag is to Americans. Also I've seen BLM protesters carry the Pan African tri color flag created by Marcus Garvey who was an Antisemitic racist who embezzled millions from the US government. So flags are complicated symbols. To each his own .
A fairly good presentation except for one thing. He keeps mentioning the 20th Virginia Infantry. The correct unit is 28th Virginia Infantry. The 20th Virginia was disbanded in 1862.
This is very interesting if Jewish friends of the flags creator William Miles didn't ask him to change his design it would be completely different. Political Correctness 1860s style.
it's getting deep...slavery destroyed at Gettysburg 1863? it didn't even end in 1865 at appomattox, it continued until 1868 in neutral states,this guy is way out in space slavery exists today and is rampant in Africa and the middle east,somebody better go and let the slaves know,maybe this guy can carry the word to them, Ace Champion Ohio Volunteer Infantry
Very good presentation... However the ones complaining about the flag didnt fight the war matter of factly if be surprised if they were ever in service Moreover i doubt many yanks after all was said in done wouldve held the same sentiments the so called non fightin non enlisted north did It makes no sense they would most certainly have seen the reason for it and have been absolutely ok with it Its like a vietnam vet going back to nam nowadays finding ol charlie and them huggin it out who tf are we to say anything about such a thing It shows how selfish and just downright ignorant we are in all honesty War is war blood is blood and loss of life is loss of life it dont matter if its a kraut a hamass insurgent an African child soldier ect Death is death And history is history you may not like it nor agree with it but toure sentiment wont change history folka Matter of factly it just closes you off to a better understanding by being closed minded
Please don’t forget, my Massachusetts , fellow American, your home colony,when it formed a State, it too had legal “ slavery “ and Georgia did not, @ that time… Our State’s that from the union, and our present National banner, was called Rebel by, the government we was leaving. And, all 13 new States still, had, Shantel servitude. However it’s not usually mentioned, as if they was protecting, that “ legal right “.Irrelevant? Is it ? Some people, had, felt apparently, the right to self governing, and it was by this means, and bloody war, Independence was achieved. Had it not, George Washington, would have, faced charges of treason. Ok, many of the Succeeding states, felt the same way. And most of all believed it was legal. And never got that in court, as The United States Constitution was at the time in 1861, Not with standing amendment’s made since. So ignorance, of the subject, in our latter days, and the complete misuse of the battle flag, has become a Ignorance easy, Rationalization, of why it is so hated.And that too, has also grown into, many very ignorant southerners. Why? Because it’s been constantly and continually advertised as a flag that represents racism slavery, and hatred of the Creuset to make all men free. As if our national United States flag is a flag of saints. This lack of facts, and shared responsibility’s, has not, been in anyway, relevant to Mr. Lincolns last inaugural speech bind up the nations wounds and malice towards none. Most people believe that Mr. Lincoln’s Gettysburg address is his best speech. I cannot agree since the first seven words of the speech or all lies other than the conjunctions. Four score and seven years ago these colonies form states is what he should’ve said. However after his assassination, the “ revenge “ that has been taken up against the old Slave states, that, tried to govern there own. Are forever more, traitor’s? Hmmm no wonder people pick up the old banner in defense! There’s no need for offense or defense. No Cold War, when the truth is advertised! NO Cold War, of young zealots, “Rebel’s” Can we understand together? Can we, forgive both sets of people? Can we embarrass our history, humbly? Can we have a better understanding of Revolution? I’m born in SWVA, I have been around the globe 3x’s long& short, I’m a USN vet, and I surely don’t hate “ Yankee’s “ since that name from “ The French & Indian War” So we are Yankee’s and we are Rebel’s.. The more y’all keep telling the The narrative of the war of rebellion, it is my belief the more of the same results you’re going to get. Don’t you think y’all to change the recipe so the cake don’t fall every time. Other wise, it’s an aloofness, and cause’s resentment, and sadly, many people, can’t handle there emotions. But the solution can be to share it, all of our, defects of Character as Americans. I think it would be a good idea what do you think?
The sour attitude against the southern battle flag. Was breaking the great compromise , no country can heal when one side does not honor the other sides heroism and courage , And the battle flag is the symbol of
Chief Confederate Flag Flyer,.- Sean O'Dwyer. 140 Hobson Street. Auckland 1010. new Zealand. This Flag has been Flying since 1862 so why stop now.??????????
+Sean O'Dwyer the boys may have lost but were never out fought ,outnumbered with not half the supplies of the enemy, always up against superior numbers the lads in grey answered the call,may we never forget those brave boys sacrifice who never let being out numbered cause them to waiver,God bless them all
Praise our Confederate ancestors for fighting for what they believed was right. Your memory will never be forgotten. 4th NC infantry 51st NC Infantry 27th NC infantry 71st NC infantry
@@metroguy4879 I speak of the common soldier. My ancestors owned no slaves nor had a good notion of the institution....according to their letters sent and journals they kept pre-war and war time....that my family has safe guarded for over a 150 years. There is more first hand history in those writings from actual Confederate soldiers than in any govt issued history book. Today they come for anything Confederate and it won't stop there.As a matter of fact they are already starting the assualt on our founding fathers. In a few years you will say of our founding fathers that they should be remembered in a museum....ya know..slavery and such
@@sionnachmacbradaigh1010 Man the public education system has definitely failed America. According to my ancestors journals and letters they detested the institution. Now I know that goes against the official narrative but it's an opportunity for you do further research. I would suggest you research the northern attitude towards slavery and blacks in general. I think you may be upset
