@@gorghor please, half of this trilogy (and more) doesn't exist in the book... let us dream about our beloved "good" Christopher-Saruman at least for 5 minutes
Sooo good. Even though The Hobbit films werent amazing (although they've got better with age I think), some of the scenes like this were absolute perfection.
I think it's interesting that some of the very best scenes in the Hobbit movies had nothing to do with that specific story, but were part of that far larger myth.
@@Zer0day-black you know he actually almost didn't want to do the movie. And I am being serious he actually considered quitting the film just as they were getting started.
They completely ruined the character of Galadriel in the rings of power .... she should never have been a sword weilding angry xena the warrior princess type more rash, seemingly childish and quick to silly mistakes. She in the book was the strongest female character who faced sauron. She was an ethereal, ageless, powerful and wise sorceress as depicted by Kate Blanchett.
none of us start off all powerful. She had to earn that strength. i haven't read the Silmarillion, so i don't know if Galadriel's ROW depiction fits in with that, but there is a Tolkien involved in the production. Why know Sauron rises to power, and is destroyed during Galadriel's life, so clearly she does fail to stop him. She was never an all powerful 'Xena' character in the book. Personally, I found Jackson's portrayals of the lord of the rings characters to be rather flippant and one dimensional. He also left out the entire 'homecoming'- best bit in the book.
@@roberts5539 Galadriel is about 5,000 years old at the time of the Rings of Power. She was born in the equivalent of Heaven learning from gods and angels, when she traveled to Middle-earth she was tutored by another "angel", Melian, for hundreds if not a thousand years. She was one oldest elves in Middle-earth during the 2nd and 3rd age. Peter Jackson portrayed her far better than Amazon, Inc.
Except for one tiny detail: that is Galadriel. In her younger years, she was prideful and, yes, rash. She participated in the revolt, fought in it, and angered the Valar to the point that they outright banned her from ever returning to Valinor. She journeyed to Middle Earth out of ambition, to rule her own kingdom. At a certain point she openly scorned Annatar (Sauron in disguise), who (by being calm, pleasant and forgiving) turned the other elves against her. The elves may be immortal, but they still change. Galadriel, over thousands of years, grew past her pride and lust for dominion. That's how she became the character that we see in LOTR. Even for elves, wisdom and majesty is earned, not inherent. Her character in Rings of Power is broadly consistent with how Tolkien wrote her, with additional flare in the show.
@@matthewhughes3749 When Sauron re-emerged in the Third Age, he established Dol Guldur on Amon Lanc after T.A. 1000. His corrupting shadow, known only as the "Necromancer", came over Mirkwood, and as a result Thranduil led his people away. The Council of the Wise long feared the Necromancer might indeed be Sauron; Gandalf himself entered Dol Guldur a couple of times, finally confirming that Sauron was its master. At first Saruman opposed the idea of an attack, as he was secretly searching for the One Ring in the area by then, but later, fearing that Sauron was also looking of the Ring, he finally agreed to an attack in 2941.[1] The Battle Gandalf carefully planned the attack to occur at the same time as the Quest of Erebor, knowing that Sauron and Smaug could not assist each other.[source?] After leaving Thorin and Company at the outskirts of Mirkwood,[2] he joined the White Council and they marched against the great fortress. Little is known of the actual battle. It is unclear if this was simply a duel between great powers, or if it involved the use of armies of any kind. Thanks to the devices of Saruman the Wise, Sauron was driven out from Dol Guldur.[3] However, having already made his plans, he fled to his ancient realm of Mordor.[1] Aftermath With victory theirs, Gandalf immediately left for Erebor, where he would take part in the Battle of Five Armies.[4] After these events, Gandalf and Elrond discussed their victories and agreed that it would be better if the Necromancer were banished from the world altogether.[5] However, Dol Guldur was not destroyed; it remained standing, staffed by the lieutenant of Barad-dûr, and later Khamûl.[6] It was not until the War of the Ring that the fortress was finally destroyed.
Then maybe you can help. I have the Silmarillion, the book, but I can't read it. Half into the first chapter I gave up. I love Tolkien, no problem with the Hobbit, ect, What am I not getting?
Lot of folks with that "glass is half empty" perspective on the internet. It just feels so much smarter to hate everything and everyone but it takes al ot less courage since it's easier to fit in.
This was a terrible corruption of the LOR universe. Gandolf is actually a Maiar, a divine being, who even while he was “grey,” had much more power that Galadriel--to whom he never bowed. He could not be beaten by an orc of any order, and in fact, it was he alone who dispatched Sauron from the woods. Also along these lines, he defeated the Nazgul single handed on weather top and was not beaten by the witch king.
"It was in this way that he learned where Gandalf had been to; for he overheard the words of the wizard to Elrond. It appeared that Gandalf had been to a great council of the white wizards, masters of lore and good magic; and that they had at last driven the Necromancer from his dark hold in the south of Mirkwood." The Hobbit "‘I it was who first summoned the White Council. And if my designs had not gone amiss, it would have been governed by Gandalf the Grey, and then mayhap things would have gone otherwise. But even now there is hope left. I will not give you counsel, saying do this, or do that. For not in doing or contriving, nor in choosing between this course and another, can I avail; but only in knowing what was and is, and in part also what shall be. But this I will say to you: your Quest stands upon the edge of a knife. Stray but a little and it will fail, to the ruin of all. Yet hope remains while all the Company is true.’" Galadriel in The Fellowship of the Ring It seems that Galadriel did one or two things in that matter.
Power? Like other wizards, Gandalf was prevented from using his powers while in Middle Earth. His role was to inspire resistance to Sauron, to guide people of Middle Earth, to teach them and to remind them of hope. He was never meant to fight Sauron alone. “Saruman believes it is only great power that can hold evil in check, but that is not what I have found. It is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay. Small acts of kindness and love."
All of it makes more sense after Silmarillion. One comes to realize that from the creation of Arda, magic in this world was a 'finite' resource. As ages came and went those who wield it became less enthusiastic to spend it (carelessly.) Such demonstrations always left them fatigued and magically spent,..because they were. Gandalf knew the key was to get the villains to spend theirs out of anger, hatred, malice and jealousy. They're easiest to manipulate that way. Note how Gandalf rarely spent his magic, preferring to rely on cunning and alliances within the natural world. At the end Morgoth and Sauron basically 'spent' themselves out of magical leverage.
These movies are not even close to the books but won awards after awards. The series is not even close to the books and get trashed. I think it's a generation thing.
@@JohnJ-p7o Is this a generational thing to completely ignore what the person was saying and only interjecting to say something completely unrelated to that? Or is this your personal thing? People criticized Hobbit trilogy too, genius.
@@JohnJ-p7o Hobbit films didn't win "awards after awards". The LOTR films did. And they were truly great, regardless of how closely they adapted the books.
Perhaps I treated the Hobbit series of movies too harshly after watching rings of power. SIGH. At least this still has some semblance of homage to Tolkiens original vision
Besides they did it rushed by a production that didn't give them even a storyboard. Fortunately RoP isn't popular or people would interpret this scene as a fight between lovers 😵💫
@@ReinoldFZ I didn't care for the first few ROP so i quit watching but when season 2 arrived I went back and started watching. I'm glad I did. I think sometimes we can let your prejudices affect our perceptions too much. Many things I dont like I end up liking later but I am so sure it's bad until it isn't.
No one in this sequence including Gandalf and Galadriel had any fear of the Nazgûl, this was not from Tolkien this was from Peter Jackson’s writing team. If you read the books this scene pisses you off.
A few random observations: Gandalf, Saruman, Radagast, and Sauron as fellow Maiar would have known each other for probably hundreds of thousands of years before this scene occurred. Gandalf would have also known the Balrogs (also fallen Maiar) including Durin's Bane that "killed" him. Galadriel is Elrond's mother-in-law and grandmother to his three children.Think about that the next time you watch them in Rings of Power! His wife, Celebrian, went to the Undying Lands centuries before he did, and would have been there waiting to be rejoined with him, their children, and her parents Galadriel and Celeborn. The only one who didn't make it there to be reunited was Arwen Evenstar. Question: As Half-Elven would Arwen's children with Aragorn have the choice to be Human or Elf?
I also find it curious how Galadriel is presented as the strongest here even though she is only an elf. I would think Saruman, as a Maiar would be more powerful even given that Galadriel had a ring of power & Saruman didn't. I think that even given the constraints the Valar placed on the Wizards that Saruman would be more powerful than Galadriel
Why did they make it look like Galadriel was loosing power as she saved Gandalf? Drama? Let's be true to her actual power and strength
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No, Eldarion and his sisters (?) will not have the same choice as Elrond and Elros or the status of an peredhil as Beren and Luthiens son Dior. He will stay mortal.
No, their children will not be given the choice, because their mother is the Evenstar, she is already a half-Elf. So, her one-quarter Elven children would be mighty, but they would be strictly mortal.
It's like The Exorcist. One of the problems with LOTR for me is how the wizards are so proficient in physical melee with their staff. Wizards are not known for physical prowess so for me to see them go toe to toe with a warrior/soldier is a bit much. They should have used their magic.
It's because you're used to thinking of weak human D&D wizards.. The "wizards" (and Sauron) in LoTR & the Hobbit are Maiar - basically angelic beings that existed before creation and were later "downloaded" into the world - so they are incredibly ancient and their physical & magical powers are greater than human.. In other words: the wizards' "beardy old men" appearance is no more their reality than your t-shirt is your skin.. As for their skill in melee: in both the Hobbit & in LotR Gandalf fights enemies using a sword as well as his staff.. Including the Balrog!
Honestly I wish they didn't make her light form sound so demonic and dark with multiple voices Like Sauron is the dark one, she's supposed to be more light and angelic
@@jaydeepalmer Wtf she's not. All three elvish rings were made by Celebrimbor without Sauron. Sauron didn't know about it and that why he could not rule them.
@@maweupe5395 Didn't Sauron taint the Elvish rings after he created the 7 Dwarf and 9 King rings. Because I read that's why the Elves refuse to use them. One was given to Gandalf (fire ring) in the book.
@@maweupe5395sorry to pop the bubble, dahling, but all rings of power were made from Sauron's knowledge, including the 3 elven rings. That's why it's 1 ring to rule them all.
Will always be mad PJ made Galadriel her "evil" version here, like what was that? She is the lady of light, not some sort of wraith from a dirty pond....
Interesting she had her elvish ring, but so did elrond, so he could have helped her. Gandalf gets one too eventually, but that would have been cool to see, the 3 elvish rings defeating him
@@Freeman35350 Sauron made 9 rings for humans and 7 for dwarfs with Celebrimbor and he didnt know that Celebrimbor made 3 more for elves. At this scene Galadriel, Gandalf and Elrond has all these rings.
Gandalf was gifted Cirdan's ring Narya when he arrived in Middle Earth. It's clear he has it here because the hapless Orc tried to cut it off before Galadriel intervened. In this scene (which isn't in the books) I believe that at 3:09 Gandalf slips that ring to Galadriel. Hence she is fighting Sauron with two elven rings, and of course the third is next to her on Elrond's hand. That plus Galadriel's innate power is what allows her to blast Sauron and the nine back to Mordor. At least that's my take on this scene.
@@generoberts9151and nenya the white strone elven ring. deadly combination for a formless Sauron, although she still had to try along with help of both Saurumon / Eldrond . Sauron is in a very weak form
How is this underrated? Many people praise it. Also, stop with this trite parallel about ''fighting inner enemy'' because it clearly wasn't that, neither metaphorically nor literally.
A true leader must possess greater strength than those they lead, for when the momentous battles of life arise, it is they who must stand at the forefront, rising boldly to face the challenge and inspire others to follow
@@vrikicus6527 Then why are critics raving about it? Why did it get a second season? Why is it so popular? There are a ton of videos about it on RU-vid. It's this generation's great Scifi fantasy series. It's amazing and Galadriel is a BOSS.
I don't get how Galadriel can be both helpless damsel one moment and the one of the most powerful beings the next. It's classic medieval sexism on the one hand, and classic fantasy being on the other, and doesn't add up at all. She's down - she's up and taking names and kicking ass - she's down again . . .
She probably used the vial she gave to Frodo later in the story... It has the Light and the power of Trees of Valinor in itself (the light of Earendil's star)... with that, as I understand that, she had multiplied her power and banished Sauron from his temporary fortress - she probably also had her ring Nenya in that moment on her finger to multiply the effects of the spell but Sauron did not have The One Ring on his finger and he was weakened to opose... + she is not allone there and also all these scenes are based 'loosely' on the original story ;) I also had a problem to spot the vial with the Light on the beggining and was confused as you... But now I think she is holding it in that scene. On the end, after the spell is done, she is done too... exhausted.
It also showcases just what having an actor of Blanchett's calibre can achieve, elevating a scene that is far too dominated by effects overall. LOTR had the balance just right; The Hobbit and Rings don't. She still transcends the scene however.
@@leightonolsson4846 I think in part you distinctly called out the problem but totally missed it. It's not actually the effects per say in fact they could have even done more. The problem is the ratio is off. They aren't focusing enough on the personality in the scene. We can see here they gave enough screen time for Cate to establish what she is feeling and interacting with the scene in a understandable way. The rest don't get that, it's just action.
@@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep Fair enough. I still find parts of the scene's action manic like some rollercoaster ride, but that's my personal preference no doubt.
I don't think it's sexism at all. I think Galadriel is just hesitant to allow that part of herself to come out. Perhaps it's a part of her power that she doesn't have a full understanding of, or can't control as well as she does other aspects of her power, at this time. As you can see, when she uses this power, she is super powerful, but it drains the light from her so much that she actually turns gray. In LOTR, Frodo offers her the ring, and this part of her comes out at the very thought of possessing the ring, but she was able to rein herself back.... having much more control over this power than she had in the past, and was very happy and relieved that she past the ring test. I think she was just weak before Sauron's appearance because she used her power to revive Gandalf. And before that she used it to disintegrate an orc. Perhaps using her power at this magnatude just drains her of energy.
"The Hobbit" was a short book about a Hobbit that sneaks into a dragon's cave and finds a ring along the way. That's it. All of this extra stuff was unnecessary and turned what would have been one film into a three-film bloated mess filled with weird 'action' sequences like this.
Because the reason they made that show is to push propaganda, one of which is that women can do everything men can, and be even better at it. So if men can fight with swords, women must do it as well and be better than them.
@@r.poaniecki6249 in the film that area was filled with dark energy created by Sauron and the orcs so that’s why it drained Gandalf and Galadriel being there too long. Also she pretended to be passed out so she could stand up and blast him away lol. Definitely the best scene in the movie. I think it’s the second Hobbit film
@@anilbayalkotiofficial No, its because the RoP Galadriel is an objectively terrible person. She threatened to torture Adar's orcs by subjecting them to sunlight which burns their skin, she leads an expedition of poorly trained elves across a frozen terrain and when one of them is injured, she insists on moving forward and doesn't even show him an ounce of sympathy or care. She's quick to bark orders at people or threaten them with violence when she doesn't have her way. You don't need to watch any of the movies or read the books to know the Galadriel we got in the rings of power is downright insufferable. In the show, she's so evil that even Sauron falls in love with her!
Proper Galadriel will be ethnically diverse and with beard :D It is an abuse of female image to cast human-born woman of heterosexual predisposition in the tv adaptation RoP
The cringe of Galadriel holding Gandalf up in the air is unforgettable; fortunately the movie IS forgettable. Non canonical trash. Should have stopped after the death of Smaug.
No fan of BotFA, but this sequence works surprisingly well in isolation. Interesting how all 3 elven rings were worn in the presence of Sauron. Is this the only time this happens? I now have a dark unholy wish to see a version of this scene with deepfakes of the Rings of Power cast.
This scene sucks. As big fan of Tolkien books I love LOTR trilogy but in my opinion Hobbit trilogy is bad af and there is no spirit of Tolkien in these movies.
With AI tools now able to create video clips within the next decade I assume we for sure will be able to have AI tools create whole cinematic movies with generated audio for all the characters based on anything we want. So we'll be able to make our own movies.
