Michael Watson there is a theory that the comet in Agot was yet a new bloodstone. According to the directions that characters describe the comet going in, it is theoriesed that, in Clash, the comet finally struck in the ruins of Valyria. This is important becuse of One thing. Who is it we know were in Valyria during Clash? Euron Greyjoy. So the theory goes that Eurons black, mad Eye is actually a part of The comet. From how Aeron describes it in the Forsaken, it seems possible.
Reminds me once again of one of the more red-alert throwaway moments in ASOS, when Bran questions how Meera can love mountains while also hating them. *"Why can't it be both?" Meera reached up and pinched his nose. "Because they're different," he insisted. "Like night and day, or ice and fire." "If ice can burn," said Jojen in his solemn voice, "then love and hate can mate. Mountain or marsh, it makes no matter. The land is one." "One," his sister agreed, "but over wrinkled."* I feel the answer lies here. The need for balance is about accepting both at the same time.
I always find interesting how they are the least epic of all peoples in the story. Their religion shows no sign of veracity, unlike literally every single other religion, all their accomplishments are actually first men or Targaryens, and most importantly, they don't actually have anyone epic to their name, no amazingly awesome kings of old, or heroes of legend... nothing.
And here we have another connection: Dragon - Amethyst - gemstone - violet - Danys eyes - Daynes. Ice and Fire = blue and red= violet. Thus we could speculate: the dragon blood is not Valyrian but Dawn Age blood. Amethyst Empress. Danys ancestors.
An addendum to some of your points: I think that the Bloodstone Emperor's "tiger-woman bride" might relate somehow to the Children of the Forest, what with the Children's similarity to cats. The colour yellow (and gold by extension, just to throw some shade on the Lannisters), might also tie in with the Children for their large, yellow eyes.
Mister Sharpe The Children of the Forest (& I believe there are cousin races to the East & West...) are a *HUGE* part of the *Why* etc part of what's going on in this world, created by GRRM, that we love. Very important creatures I believe. Sinister little fuckers...reminds me of a people in reality... (wink wink...).
Personally, I see SO many characters in the series who parallel the Children of the Forest. The Children do not have the physical strength to overpower the warlike First Men, so obviously they turned to cunning and magic, using the weirwoods to spy on Men and gather information. That is almost exactly the same backstory as Petyr Baelish. Not to mention there is Varys, who uses literal children to do his spying. Then we have Bran and Arya and Tyrion, and all such other physically weak characters who must rely on cunning and/or supernatural abilities. If you ask me, the Children spied on the First Men with ravens and weirwoods, and used their powers to influence peoples' dreams. And likely, still do. The Children aren't just hiding out in caves and singing sad songs, they are playing the game of thrones.
As a side note Jon being the heir in the show isn't really true. Rhegar was never crowned, and Jon was a secret and not thought of, the crown went to viserys then to Dany for all intensive purposes. They would have to prove it to the people. who as far as shown in the show shouldn't believe anything bran says. They don't even know him or what a three eyed Raven is. And it meant nothing anyway.
OMG!!! The STENCH!!! The Sons of the Harpy are already in Kings Landing!!! They have been mentioning the smell coming from KL since season one. Queen of Thorns mentions it as she enters KL. Last season the soldiers that Arya come upon also mention the smell. Also, if this is a protracted battle between Dragons and Tigers then it perfectly explains CRASTER! Maester Aemon practically confesses to Jon that Craster is his son. Then later they show Aemon in the same frame with Gilly and the baby, his granddaughter and his grandson. Perhaps the Night King interest in Craster's sons is because they are Valyrian. Craster has babies with his daughters to keep the seed strong something Valyrians do. Is the plan that the tiger rides the dragon...forever. Craster says that he is on the "right side of the Gods" and he will survive come the long night. This is like what you are saying that certain people thrived thru the longnight because they were in league with the Sons.
So much influence from the Cthulhu Mythos in ASoIaF. The same book you reference about the king in yellow, also includes Hastur, The Unspeakable One, Him Who Is Not to be Named. Mel says something very similar about the Great Other as well.
Good video but in regards to Volantis, you missed the mark there completely. Valyria is not nearly as good as your theories make it out to be, this is GRRM. Volantis, Valyria's colony, was doing what any colony should have done; trying to reunite Valyria. That their Old Blood is Tigers and Elephants is more in root with their Indian inspiration showing Soldiers vs Merchants. Mercantalism dominates Essos; which is seen as more peaceful. Besides, only a united Essos could oppose Westeros, that was why he did it. Essos was sent back since no one wanted it united. As for why the Tiger party is regaining favour, Dany and her blasted Dragons smashed the slave trade. Bringing Essos back into the mix.
I think you're really going to like our next video...we kinda view Volantis as a representation of the more corrupt elements of Valyrian society...we've never said every Valyrian was good...we think they, as a whole, represent life and light in the story, but that is not the same thing as saying they were all good...they were too rich and too powerful for there not to be corrupt, or even evil, elements within their ranks...the rest will be in the next video or two that we come out with
Valyria had slaves mining in the worst conditions possible... Bravos is a city built by escaoed slaves that hid for a century from their old masters. How are these slavers any better than the Ghiscari?
George doesn't think people are pure evil or pure good...causes and movements are different...let's take the Nazis and an example...the individual Nazis weren't pure good or pure evil, but their cause was, and they needed to be stopped
I'm from Venezuela and we haven't got the world of ice and fire at all yet. Considering the state my country is in it is not a priority. But I love you guys for giving me so much info about it to put together with the info I find Online. I love you guys! This was brillant and pretty intresting.
thank you so much...I've followed what is going on in Venezuela for years, going well back into the Chavez years...I'm sorry you have to deal with that...hopefully things change there soon
The Order of the Green Hand oh well the whole hell started with chavez socialistic ass so you seem pretty knowledgeable! Thanks, let's hope it gets better soon. In the meantime your videos do brighten up my day! Hugs for you guys!
Ana Isabel Pire Venezuela, Ay mi amor move here and marry me. ;) but in all seriousness I hate that you can't get TWOIAF as I love that book and will happily send you a copy bc everyone should own it
You failed to mention the earth part of Yin. It makes me think of all the caves the Children hang out in. Also water and earth makes me think of trees and nature, a favorite of theirs. This would feed the theory that the children and the others are related, or allied. One important over site, is that in eastern theology, Yin and Yang, are not considered good and evil. But a system of balance. This brings to minds GRRM's use of the name Other, and how "others" is a typical psychological means of identifying enemies in the real world. Everyone fears "the other." But it's wrong to assign evil to them. They are different, misunderstood, but not evil. In keeping with GRRM's general anti-war message, I wonder if we won't discover this about the Others too. Granted Ghis seems like pure evil to me, bloodstone emperor and all that. Craster would fit right in.
there are more videos to come...there is too much information to put it all into a video that is watchable...otherwise it would sound like we were reading long lists of facts in our viewer's general direction
Being brutal doesn't make one uncivilized. Necessarily. Bloodstone Emperor seems a bit Night Kingish to me. Obviously an earlier version of course, but still interesting. Rome vs Carthage, clearly is the inspiration for Valyria vs Ghis. Considering what happened to Valyria and Rome after they beat their rival, I don't see it being so Manichean. Both became slave mongering maniacs. Though you could make an argument that it is more like Rome vs Etrusca, but I'm not convinced. You could say the Rhoynar are more Carthage-like but I don't see it. The Rhoynar were not a major power compared to Valeria. I really hope that things don't turn out to be so clear cut. I want the Others to be a bit more interesting than just some random evil murder murder just cuz types.
Night King or Night's King? because the Night King is a character the tv show made up to give the the White Walkers a face, a leader for fans to hate or love, the Night's King is a book character and has nothing to do with the Night King from the show, the Others have no especific leader that we know of
Yep, this channel is conveniently ignoring the fact that the Valyrians were a bunch of despicable asswipes. The Sorrows attest to that, the Braavosi attest to that, the Faceless Men attest to that, and the Ghiscari asswipes attest to that as well.
Since Valyria is Rome, I guess Old Ghiz is Egypt and Persia: great enemy empire to the east with pyramids. The Roynar is both Carthage and the Greek city states: independent city states with a rivalry with Rome related to a waterway trade
Okay, the "lying piece of shit Andals" is tottaly going to be my new catchphrase along with the "Damn Elves". Also I always wondered why Aegon, a Valyrian dragonlord, would choose to prevent a supposed re-establishment of the Freehold. It really goes along nicely with the facts about Old Ghys and their corruption. They(at that time reduced to the cities of the Slaver's Bay) were also responsible for convincing Valyria to take up the slave trade IIRC. On a side note, Bloodstone Emperor looks so much like an Ancient Sith Lord- wait a minute!
There was another Dragon Lord, Aurion, who had already tried to reestablish Valyria and make himself its first Emperor. He, his dragon, and his armies were never seen again.
The comment about dragons and amethysts gave me chills. Amazing find guys! But I do have a question. Do you guys think the doom happened because the valyrians had been corrupted by ghis by having slaves as well? I can't get past that valyria also had slaves but I don't think they always did.
I'm only at 5:10 so you might bring this up later but do you think this is an "oriental-fied" legend to mirror the night king, like the tiger woman is the same other as the night kings bride, just passed down with different stories? Or will there be a tiger person invasion at the climax of the myreenese knot and George just slipped one past us again?
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Yes, I know it's a figure of speech, but the sigil they sport: the green hand, might've made it a pun as well ;) You know that one with the words: true to our word.
The story of Grazdan the Great forming an empire while all other people where miserable and him having half human children reminds me of Craster, who lived happily while the other wildlings fled since he offered his sons to the Others. Their names are similar too.
if Brandon the builder lived during the last night his grandfather was garth greenhand. does this mean that the first men have not been there for 12 thousand years and the dawn age is a myth?
Silent Hero haha,and what about Gorgi/Gogossos - Gorgon (/ˈɡɔːrɡən/; plural: Gorgons, Ancient Greek: Γοργών/Γοργώ Gorgon/Gorgo) is a female creature. The name derives from the ancient Greek word gorgós, which means "dreadful", and appears to come from the same root as the Sanskrit word "garğ" which is defined as a guttural sound, similar to the growling of a beast.
I love your channel and the theories you post. It has made me think twice about assumptions and more critical on any theory of A Song of Ice and Fire ever (yours included). But my goodness your arguments are so ambiguous when it comes to symbolism at times. The scythe and the colour yellow meanings are easily disputed. At times I think you try to twist meanings way too hard to suit your narrative. I can do it too and, possibly, more convincingly. Maybe a bit rude, but bear with me and watch. The scythe is a farming tool, which is associated with agriculture and by extension fertility, LIFE. Sounds an awful lot like it could be associated with Garth Greenhand... In Greek mythology, Cronus the Titan, father of Zeus, Hera, Hades, Poseidon, Hestia, Chiron and Demeter, has a scythe, sickle and grain as a symbol. His Roman counterpart is Saturn the god of agriculture, wealth and plenty. I also urge you to take a look at the Greek myth of Demeter (goddess of harvest, agriculture and fertility of the earth), Persephone (her daughter) and Hades/Pluto. It's tells how the seasons were created and how I think a scythe could become associated with a concept like death, twisting it's meaning. Although Hades is not Death itself nor considered entirely evil. The colour yellow is often associated with the sun, warmth, light, wisdom and optimism. What colour did you draw the sun when you were a child?? Greek gods associated with yellow are Helios and Apollo, sun gods. The sun is warmth, FIRE and LIFE. If dragons are fire made flesh, what would that make the sun? There's a myth on how dragons came to exist. The heat from the sun cracked a 2nd moon when it came too close and dragons came forth. That would make the sun like some sort of parent, no? See? Same symbols, completely opposite meaning. I don't think you should stop though. Because there are also gems (pun fully intended) like amethyst associated with dragon in Chinese horoscope, that gets me excited. Combined with the impression I have, that Yi Ti is written with old China in mind. A magical amethyst empress. Valerians with purple(amethyst) eyes, that have dragons. And then your theory of Bloodstone emperor being related of Old Ghis. The fact that the Valerians are constantly in conflict with them. Hmmm the implications are delicious.
I think that much of the symbolism in the series can be interpreted in two ways intentionally. The scythe can be both symbolic of life and death, but those are but two sides of the same coin. The colour yellow can be seen as warmth, clarity and logic, as well as representing cowardice, disease, and madness. The sun brings life and harvest, but also death and drought. The colour white can represent snow, but it can also be seen as ash, or a white hot flame. Fire can burn, but so can Ice. It's kind of the whole point of the series, that these two opposing forces are not so dissimilar.
Joel Pisarek What I'm trying to convey, dickhead, is that they go through some ridiculous hoops to find a deeper meanings and come to conclusions, but are unsubstantiated elsewhere. Ghis > anagram > another word bending > this means death. This is so far reaching. It's needlessly complicated, not everything is that deep. A lot of the things G R R M writes are double, triple or even more repeated or reinforced. Usually they are great at finding those. Some of these are barely holding on to 1 link. For example the Amethyst > Dragon > Chinese link: The Jade Emperor and God-emperors exist in Chinese Mythology, pretty much all art of Yi Ti looks Asian or Chinese architecture, Five forts reminiscent of the great wall, advanced culture very early, on top of Amethyst empress descendants (Valerians) taming dragons and gems playing a magical role in the series. This makes the gem association with animals from Chinese horoscope very plausible, because of multiple links. With just 1 you can make up anything. To make yellow work as evil, you need something like, Children of the forest cave paintings at war with yellow painted humans. Or maybe a saying used in Essos, "he was so evil he looked yellow" or something of that nature. Or maybe a direct real world culture link (Mesopotamia?) with the Ghiscari, where in that culture yellow is deemed evil.
So politically/strategically it makes sense that Aegon would be against the Tiger's agenda to conquer and unite all of the colonies of Valyria under Volantis. He would likely see any consolidation of power as a genuine threat as a united "New Valyria" would almost certainly seek to reclaim all of it's former holdings, including but not limited to the outpost of Dragonstone. This would have resulted in Aegon having to literally fight a war on two fronts ( or eight depending on how you're counting lol) as he was still consolidating his own power in the Seven Kingdoms. A weakened Free Cities means a stronger Aegon as he benefited from the chaos, think Littlefinger. To your point, I'm sure the Tiger's had other agenda's as well but Occam's razor makes this one of the simplest and most reasonable explanation for his actions.
The Ghiscari remind me of the Persian Empire and the the Valyrians a mix of Greece and Roman empire. I think it was Alexander the Great who had issue with the Persian Empire and beat them in a series of battles. That reminds me of the Valyrians beating the Ghiscari. As far as the religion or myths the Persians at the time of Alexander the great, Persians were in to the religion Zoroastrianism which by the way happens to have Ahura Mazda as its Supreme Being or Azor Ahai to us Game of Thrones fans. Zoroastrianism seems to be the basis for many new religions in our world. New meaning the focus on one god and not multiple gods. Kind of like how Melisandre calls the lord of light "the one true god". Of course the Faith of the Seven are the Greek gods and the old gods are nature spirits. What crossed my mind is that the Many faced god seems to fit the role of Islam as in The Ishmaelian sect of Islam. Very clever GRR Martin!
No doubt there is influence from Carthage and Egypt for the slavery part of Ghiscar in Game of Thrones since it is an amalgamation of acient societies but there are too many similarities between the harpy statue and a statue of what was assumed to be Ahura Mazda or Azor Ahai for us GOT peeps. GGR Martin has just made a switch and given Ghiscar the symbol instead of the lord of light the symbol. If you look up zoroastrian symbol you will see the harpy wings and the head is the sphinx of egpyt.
In Islam there is only one God - the Lord or Al-Ilah > Allah - so I don't think any sect of "Islam" suits Many face Gods. Plus know that Quran tells the battle between Rome and Persia and say when Persia won müşrik (those who claim to believe in God but actually worship others) were happy and but believers shouldn't lost hope because Rome will win the next war.
The Order of the Green Hand it certainly does it certainly does. I know it has to take to guys a lot of time doing all you fact finding and research, but never the less it pays off and every video is amazing 👍🏼🤘🏼👏🏼🙌🏼
btw it's not very strange that a bunch of different groups would ally together to defeat a growing empire. people don't like growing empires because they tend to conquer and subjugate. why would the tagaryens want a new volantene empire? it's not like they were at the helm
As always well done. Staying with the train of thought it's interesting to note the historical mythology of the wolf, which in this story has etherealy balanced/perfected the Dragon; while the Westerosy symbol of the Tiger ends up being the Lion. Hope that's where this is going.
so if i understand correctly you believe that the valeryrians are the forces of light that battle the forces of death and darkness. then why where the valyrians and rhoynar fighting??? because i do not believe that they would be part of death, darkness and evil
Neither Yong nor Yang are supposed to be considered evil. The Rhoynar culture does fit the definition of cool, dark, wet, and feminine, much better than the Ghiscari actually.
I really like your theories. You have me convinced that the Kinguard from the Tower of Joy are Mance, Tormund and Qhorin Halfhand, but I think you give the World of Ice and Fire too much attention. I have seen George's interviews about it and he has said that he was improvising when writing about the eastern regions, (although this could be partially misleading) so I don't think that Yi Ti and it's myths are that importand. What is definitelly importand is Qarth because it is suspiciously not mentioned at all in the World of Ice and Fire and of course Asshai that is still a big mystery. Now, the Ghiscari are disgusting people, but do we need to give them so much credit and connect them to a grand, death worshiping cult? We would be entering tin foil hat territory.
Lots of tinfoil in this batch I'm afraid - starting with the dubious 'stretching' when discussing roses, most of which is flat-out fabrication and/or rose sales advertising
I really enjoyed watching this video like the other ones of your serie "the old powers are waking". A very interesting and well-researched content. I may be wrong but it seems to me that Volantis had ties with Old Ghis (maybe I got influenced by the TV show where Volantis fought alongside Astapor and Yunkai against Dany's forces). Do you think remainants of the ancient Ghiscari Empire may have supported Volantis during the Century of Blood, as I -thanks to you- also find weird that Aegon the Conqueror came to help the other Free cities if he didn't think he has some kind of mission, which would be stopping the harpy from arising. I first wanted to bring slavery forward to mention the links between Old Ghis and Volantis, but I remembered that Valyrians practiced it too. However I don't know if Volantis slavery's practices are more akin to those of Valyria or those of Old Ghis. Volantene claimed to be descendants from Valyrian soldiers, but I'm starting, after having watched your video, to think that Volantis may have been an ancient Ghiscari settlement (of course, I am probably completely wrong on that point) or at least it had been influenced by Old Ghis at some point of its history. By the way, thanks again for the amazing content. You never disappoint.
The Bloodstone Emperor just makes me think of Euron Greyjoy - a half-mad sorcerer hellbent on becoming a godlike figure of darkness and death who plans to rule over all as the world crumbles around him.
Tiger woman was probably a skinchanger. Feasting on human flesh was probably related, something they did when skinchanged or ascribed to them (could be slander).
I wish we could figure out how to produce more content...it's not just real life sometimes...sometimes it takes us that long to figure something out or feel like we haven't supported our idea with enough text and/or historical/mythological evidence and go back for more...we're going to try to do more live q&a's
Ok I’ve been been binging all of the playlist for a week now and I’ve noticed a patten. It seems excuses are being made for the Valerians no matter how bad or self serving their actions and whoever opposes them are being demonized. Don’t get me wrong the theories are great but every single one seems to be heavily biased towards favored characters or houses.
Daniel. I must admit that City look better than I've ever seen them before. Sane is filthy. DeBruyne is pure class and Aguero is Aguero. It's going to be quite the battle for the title this season
The derby is going to be epic...definitely as good as el classico and looks like it will be for years to come...for the first time in a few years, it really looks like English teams are going to go deep into the Champions League...I see both Manchester teams, as well as Spurs and Chelsea as teams that are going to be difficult to beat in the elimination stages of the tourney because United, Chelsea, and Spurs all play serious defense and City scores at will
1) fuckin-a. Out of the Park again. Great work. 2) you like old Ghis for causing the Doom, or simply exploiting it to serve their purpose? 3) What are your thoughts on the setting in motion of the story? Did Ghis operatives answer the becoming-but-as-yet-unrealized threat of Dragons by somehow waking, or activating the Others? Is it Ghis operatives sending a faceless man to Oldtown? Are they driving events, or simply reacting? 4) if Ghis IS driving events, is there a nemesis/opposite number moving in secret for Targ interests? 5) When the fuck did the kings guard leave King's Landing for the Tower of Joy showdown? Why would they leave the King to die? Why would they disparage "false brother" Jamie for killing Ayres when they'd just abandoned him themselves? Yes the last one is off topic. Still, I must know :) P.S, Again: great vid.
Interesting as always, but I can't get on board with "Yin-Yang" philosophy, at least as far as the real world goes. I just can't square it with a scientific view of the world. I mean, Heat and Cold (i.e. Fire/Ice, Summer/Winter, etc.) are not opposites but rather physical manifestations of different states of energy. Different points on the same line if you will. Similarly... Death is not the opposite of Life but the end of it. Darkness is not the opposite Light, but the absence of it. "Yin-Yang" philosophy does come a bit closer to the mark in that Male and Female are not opposites but rather different halves of the same whole. So I've got to give the daoists that much.
The Order of the Green Hand Of course, I only made my comment as you mentioned Taoism/Eastern philosophy in the video. Although I will add that when the philosophical themes of a story, even (especially) a fictional one, do not jive with what is known to be true about ourselves and the world we, as readers, live in, the (for me at least) changes the relationship the reader has to the story. In other words, a shaky philosophical foundation takes a work of fiction from "can this story tell me anything about myself/my world/the other people who live in it?" and makes more along the lines of "cool story bro."
You should look into dialectics, it's the scientific basis underlying the philosophy of Taoism, as well as providing a scientific framework for understanding the broader nature of conflict and change within the world & society.
Just thought. The House of Black and White has some tao symbolism too. Particularly if you look at the door to the building itself. Does that mean you'll be covering the significance of the black trees? I'm sure I read a passage where they had a similar sheen to obsidian... Or am I just imagining it?
Given that you called out the role of slavery for the culture of Old Ghis, may I ask what your position on slavery in Valyria is? We know the Valyrians held slaves too, but for some reason, the specific way Ghiscari treat their slaves angered the Valyrians to such an extent that they waged five wars against the Ghiscari and eventually burned their cities to the ground. Where do you see the differences in Ghiscari vs. Valyrian practices of slavery that could explain such a harsh reaction by the Valyrians? (The Valyrian-Ghiscari wars seem to be losely inspired by the three Punic Wars in which Rome fought against Carthage, but that doesn't explain everything about them.)
I think the reference to Ice and Fire in the start of the story is a red herring away from the fact that what makes the different societies different makes them more different than they are similar, but that's not to say that there aren't social structures that clearly tend more towards evil, and those that tend more towards being good. I also think that pitting the Ice vs the Fire is the very trap that brings you down in the end. It's a song of Ice AND Fire. It doesn't explicitly say the ice is against the fire, we just assume that's what it means, as does almost every character in the series, sadly.
But just because two things are opposites doesn't mean they're against each other, especially in the case of human emotions which are a vast sea of grey areas. A person can betray someone with vehement passion in the unveiling of their treacherous nature, or be very inhumane in the way that they show their 'love'. Needless to say though, this logic has no footing in the physical reality of ice and fire, which are opposites. I also think it's interesting how Martin uses the faith of the seven as a classic example of religions demonizing serpent-cults.
I read some where that grr Martin said himself that he intended to write Arya and Jon falling in love ( that would have been so short) but to make the story more complex he divided the books 📚 so could Arya ice ❄ and Jon stargareyan 🔥 fire be the song or is it actually about lyanna and rehgar?
Valyrians conquered just about ALL of Essos, pretty sure that covered many many nations, and they also wiped out the river people too? YOu know the ancestors of the Dornish and Martells? :P
fighting wars against people who attacked you first isn't something I personally would call outrageous...the Rhoynar attacked and flooded a Valyrian city...the Valyrians retaliated...the Rhoynish then band together into a massive army and marched south and were defeated...why is it evil to win a war?
you know the lore better than I do, but by the cartoon backstories, Rhoynar were peaceful river people :P Suffice to say, All great empires are built on the back of slavery
manticore--a mythical animal typically depicted as having the body of a lion, the head of a man, and the sting of a scorpion. The Narsingh( Half man - half lion) Avatar is fourth incarnation of Vishnu dashavatara, n Indians(we) dont fear him , they worshiped him. enjoyed it anyways ...how are u guys long absence , i thought u guys too got caught up with those floods take care .
So who is fighting for balance? Stannis? Jon? Jaime? Tyrion?Doran?Varys!? LF!!?? I know this one goes against your broader thesis (which is becoming quite compelling) but the HoB&W does seem to value balance e.g. the doors (each with a 'seed' mind you), the chairs, the robes, etc)
Appreciate the response and hope your new jobs are going well. I know you must keep confidentially, but Im curious to know what you guys do for your "real" jobs/industry...?
I own my own business and Lady Green Hand is a school psychologist...they aren't new jobs...Lady Green Hand had the summer off but I've been doing both the whole time
The Order of the Green Hand ... My bad in assuming "new" jobs. You both are clearly well in control of your work/life balance/dichotomy. Rock on and thanks for bringing your superior analytical skills and insights to ASOIAF cannon.
GREAT VIDEO but you shoulda ended with "and THAT'S why Kit Harrington and Emilia Clarke have to make babies and save the world!" What has the show done to us????
If the 'ice' side of the war to come is so associated with death, where 'fire' is with life, why does Melisandre's own magic involve so much death? She burns people alive to perform magic. Dany's dragons required blood sacrifice to hatch and the dragons are instruments of destruction. It seems like both are ultimately associated with death.
Yep. The *Fire = Life, Ice = Death* thinking is a trap. Fire burns you to crisp. Ice can soothe your wounds and preserve your food. Water, which is basically a warmer form of ice, is the immediate basis of most forms of life. And speaking of water, we must not forget that the Valyrians - the supposed "good guys" of history - destroyed the Rhoynar, who seemed to rely on water magic. We know of no tale of the Rhoynar dicking around destroying and enslaving others like the Ghiscari. But we do know of another major civilization that was doing exactly that for thousands of years - the "good guy" Valyrians. This video is just desperate for reasons to be in Team Fire, no matter the shittiness of being in that team.
So do you guys think that the night king is headed to the gods eye to kill the children? Or could you do a video on the children? I know you guys don't like them but would like your take on the pact and the night king relationship.
Im just unsure of how much of this is metaphorical and just happens every now and again and how much is bound to happen. Also the Others attack now because the children wants to drive them away right? Not because there is particularly much chaos right now?
TheOrderOfTheGreenHand do you think the Qartheen, Dothraki, Rhoynar, Andals have any roles to play aswell???? Also will you do a video series on the Ironborn?
But as you'll see in a future video where we pint this out. The valyrians enslaved the ghiscari and the rest of the stories set down by the Maesters were pretty sure is bullshit. Stay tuned.
Another great video! The revelation about tigers is huge for me, thanks! I like how this yin yang concept coincides with your videos about Dorne, and Rhoynar, and House Martell (I hope I spelled it correctly). You said that they are associated with water, which can be connected to ice. But as you said water is an element of the dark side of the yin yang. I really like how it all comes into place.
What old french word meaning "yellowish animal" to you mean? The genus of tiger is "panthera," which comes from the Greek meaning "all-beast" or "all-prey." This word was well established long before the French language ever existed.
It’s simple @magister343, panthera comes from παν, meaning all, θέρον (pl. θέρα) meaning monster or beast, and the silent component tinfoil-hat, meaning yellow. Combined together we get the sense of the tiger as “all-beasts,” i.e. either “king of” or “fiercest of,” or as correctly considered together with the silent component, “yellow king of all beasts.”
I am late :( but loved the video! Since this video is more about Yin - will there be a video about Yang? Or what will be your next project since there seems to be much in your hands, Doran Martell for sure, I saw comments about Ashara Dayne as Lady of Winterfell, Andals and Rhoynars deserve a few words too right? Or lies of the Maesters for sure, even the Southern Ambitions is fault of Maester Walys :(
YEEEEESSSSSSSS, THANK YOU FOR ANOTHER VIDEO. THESE ARE MY LIFE BLOOD school starts tomorrow and ive been thinking about starting the books again. Nothing fuels my curiosity in the way the Song of Ice and Fire does... so far
Great vid till I realized Valyrians were slavers too. The Valyrian 'good guy' thing sank it for me. Also a Humber of other factors like Hardhomes destruction forces me to disagree. Damn good work though. Yellow King, one of my faves in literature! Awesome attempt!
the maesters say hundreds of different nations, then say they have no idea who they were in the next sentence...how can one claim hundreds of nations were enslaved and only be able to name one?
Ok, the measters lied about it, a reasonable explanation. Though one has to wonder how they got the manpower for their brutal mining practices from just the Ghiscari upper-class. I guess you believe the mines were reasonably humane in reality and/or slavery wasn't really that big part of Valyrian economy? How about Braavos, was it founded by Ghiscari? I do enjoy your theory btw, I just don't agree with it, yet... :)
Simon Ankarstrand Same line of thinking I had too. Not just Bravos, but the Dothraki were held in check too. It's clearly implied they had Colonial rule with slaves over ALL of Essos. The Valyrians were no better. 'Lying piece of shit Andals', funny! Yet, the Andals have no history of slavery, just conquering and basic killing. Valyrians did worse than the Ghiscari, Valyriadid more than get its beak wet. Part of the reason I don't like the Dany lovers, and 'The Breaker of Chains' ish!
