Such an amazing unique way of creating lore and the setting. Having someone create a rich world with history and characters only to set the plot after that worlds and characters has been destroyed lol. Genius.
@@jimmyrustlerzyeah honestly I can’t help but feel so much of what could’ve made Elden Ring have a good story feels so fragmented and lost. Not that lore exploration can’t be fun, but like c’mon GRRM was giving you the sauce.
@@spub1031 The death rune thingy comes from miyazaki´s love for king of dragon pass(Setting: Runequest Glorantha) and RUNEquest the former roleplaying bronze age mythology setting where Orlanth the storm god uses death to kill for the first time YELM the sun god. The WHOLE setting´s about runes.
Might just be me, but I think the grrm aspect was all marketing.. I kind of dont believe it? Fromsoft probably had a conference call with him to get a "sounds good"
@@ghostlightinthegreenroom Yeah. He was probably hired as one of those 'product quality managers' that just checks off on the story after glancing through it. No real input. Just a gimmick to bring the people who were busy shitting themselves to tears watching GoT at the time.
@@JoseRodriguez-eu5ezfunny enough it had the opposite effect on me, thankfully the game is still great, but I genuinely don’t really like Martin’s work. If you have ever read A Game of Thrones, you’ll understand what I mean. The story really isn’t compelling, he just adds a shit ton of pointless details to ever scene which makes it seem more thought out than it actually is. I don’t need to know what angle the character’s dong is hanging.. accounting for earth’s tilt of course.
Conceptually maybe, but the story, lore and game world is an unfinished broken mess of conflicting ideas and over ambition. As said by someone with close to 200 hours in the game now and full intent to play a lot more. It is still enjoyable but would could of been keeps nagging at you, something that could be said about anything that Martin works on.
@@poppers7317 He is an unstoppable writing machine that has taken 10 years and counting to write the two last books of ASOIAF. Godamn won't somebody stop that man?
@@MiguelCoBMaggotHe's not only a fantastic and amazing writer... He's an innovator. Like, seriously? Changing souls to runes? My God, he's a visionary.
in reality, brexit didnt change anything. false hope and controlled opposition. britain is still a muslim colony and now it even has an indian pagan ruler. such regression.
george R R martin: im sorry there is no way I can write this story everything just seems too perfect and I cant keep delaying my books miazaki: oh dont worry im gonna destroy the world and kill off 90% of the characters George R R martin: FUCK MY BOOK SERIES LETS GET WORLDBUILDING
@@yadielrosado8012 he's honestly pretty far into writing The Winds of Winter with steady updates about the plot I think he'll finish that one unless he dies super soon but there's likely no chance he finishes the last book A Dream of Spring
Well yea. They tried to heavily rely on online for it and copy/paste human sized models with the same rehashed skill moves. I don’t know anyone who enjoyed it more than dark souls, demon souls, or elden. Hell even PS2 games like shadow of the colossus, kings field, or Maximo were more inventive.
@@spicelord4782please elaborate your second sentence because none of it is coherent. 🫤 And Shadow of the Colossus is not even close to the same genre.
@@spicelord4782 I definitely enjoyed it more than dark souls, and I think your comment is a load of hogwash. Bloodborne is a masterpiece of cosmic horror
@@user-xx3wf5mr9ohe kidnapped miquella while malenia took off to fight radhan and the fact that miquella is cursed to be a young boy forever it makes it even better for his creepy pedophile ass
Honestly would be really cool if From Soft gave us the original notes on what GRR wrote just so we could see his idea of the world before Miyazaki got involved.
I don't think even Fromsoft knows what they are doing, seeing how poorly written basically all their games are. They probably just used him for marketing
I told my father that Elden Ring was being cocreated by GRRM, and he instantly asked “So it’s incomplete?” Seriously where tf is book 6 it’s been 11 years
To give you some hope (or maybe just copium) I think he’s trying to make sure he fully fleshes out his world before finishing the series. He evidently takes inspiration from Tolkien and understands that his life’s work is the world of A song of ice and fire. He seems to want to make sure he has fire and blood, dunk and egg, and his other full world contributions done before finishing his life’s work. I also imagine the bungling of the later seasons of got made him more aware of the necessity of his oversight in future film adaptation, and he has been putting in much more work overseeing hotd than he otherwise would have. Hypothetically, this all allows him to do a better and more complete job in writing the last books before the end of his working life. I’ve also heard it said that his understudy team has an even deeper knowledge of his world than he does, and I have faith that they would be able to finish his creation if he gets past his time of writing. This is all a bunch of conjecture on my part, but I do feel that he is working towards finishing his larger world and ASOIAF is going to be the overall endpoint of that. 13 years is nuts tho, hopefully he’ll get on to it eventually lol
@@evanmcdonald9134 The problem he's going to have is that a lot of people don't care about the story anymore. I read the last book over 10 years ago, have forgotten large portions of it, and have no interest in rereading them or reading any new ones by him. The guy needs to learn how to finish something.
@@evanmcdonald9134 OR he's a procrastinating hedonist and his outlook on life and storytelling precludes him from having a satisfying ending to ASOIAF, so he wastes his time writing other smaller, more manageable stories and going to conventions.
@@evanmcdonald9134no hes to busy writing bad shows and playing with trains. He litrally tried to finish the hooks through GOT and back peddled when he saw how furious people were with it.
As someone who has gotten very into A Song of Ice and Fire lore, the background story 100% feels like something GRRM wrote. He is incredible at depicting a world on the very brink of calamity, he's been doing that for the past decade while writing the winds of winter.
He didn’t tho he just wrote some of the history and they used a little bit of it he didn’t write the story or anything like they he gave Miyazaki some inspiration
I pray that one day we will get GRRMs writing for Elden Ring published. It'd be so cool to see the differences and changes made, to get a huge influx of lore to slap all those internet theorists in the face.
no. i dont want that and it fundamentally goes against the narrative style of the souls extended universe. miyazaki based it on his childhood experience of half understanding english fantasy novels and filling up the gap with his imagination. that is what the community likes and no one wants to slap internet theorists across the face other than a bunch of new players used to the classic infodump method of telling stories.
I love to imagine Martin checking in on Miyazaki to see what he’s doing with his characters,only to hear that two of them have now been Frankensteined into one person,one of them has lost his mind and now eats corpses,and another one is seen as kindness incarnate
Shadow of the erdtree may actually have a lot of Martins stuff because it’s where Marika became a god, the start of her lore thousands of years ago, as he wrote. I am so hyped.
There’s a lot of inspiration from Martin’s Wildcards series and from his earlier high fantasy series instead of his game of thrones stuff. I love how the game just seems like big callbacks to his older works. If you read his short stories you’ll find really interesting bits that relate to elden ring.
This game would make the most brutal sad beautiful meaningful dark and touching story you could imagine there is sòoo much depth and backstory not just a story but a really good story at that
@@RagPunkerit's almost like working on 8 spinoff shows, a videogame, other books, and having a life outside of writing his longest book yet is pretty time consuming.
GRM was probably like "Hmm, yes, Godwyn, his hair flowing locks of gold, a gentle and noble demigod that has created a lasting alliance with the ancient dragons. People will love meeting this guy and enjoying the peace he created." Miyazaki: "lol. Lmao"
Soo basically we see the whole Praetor Rykard stuff, we see what kind of person Godwyn was, who the Storm king was, the God apostles, Farum Azula and plenty other, and Yet, we only know fragments of that cuz the world Miyazaki destroyed
@@carythacker8049i think he meant, "if we could see the thing that George R R Martin wrote we would be able to see all of the interesting characters and places in elden ring before they were all destroyed/corrupted" but his comment is basically incoherent lmao
That could be really cool actualy, like its set right as the greater will arrives in the Lands and you play a char desperetly trying to fight off this monsterous parasite while others submit in exchange for vast powers.
People don't often talk about it but this is how most high fantasy worlds are shown to us, perfect example is the Lord of the Rings, a part of the story set in the era where pretty much every culture was a shadow of its former glory.
Game literally taught me how to better manage my anger. And brought out the true passion I love about gaming. Was curious, tried it, went thru misery and countless wikis / yt vids but made it thru an glad I did.
I’m sick of playing games that take place after huge empires fell or after huge wars that leave places desolate. Give me games where you can play within the prime of an empire or a character.
Will never happen people who make these japanese fantasy games are obsessed with the Gnostic belief that all life is suffering and it falling apart is the greatest gift reality can give the living. They hate life, love, and beauty.
@@fleetwoodemareviews742 nah mate he seem like he gave up already i mean look at the dude i don't think he stay in the world long enough to finish his work
I like that way of describing Miyazaki’s approach to world building and story They start by describing a series of characters, creatures, gods and demigods with this ancient past of glory, power struggles, wars and divinity. Then we come to it in the game at a point of late stage entropy. The world, the people, the creatures, the gods themselves have been killed, mutilated, warped, deformed or driven to madness. That’s what we play in. An ancient world in which every character has been killed or destroyed in some way.
In Short, George build the backstory and characters and Miazaki went "now how to make this entire place a rundown hellhole and corrupt everyone living in there"
Tbh it can be. In the ending of ringed city, the painter using the blood of dark souls to make a new world, it can be sekiro or elden ring. ( Also it mean Dev using experience when making dark souls to make a better game )
There's a theory that the Frenzied Flame ending is the prequel to the Dark Souls games. Which became later known as the first flame when everything got destroyed and everything became one for an untold amount of time.
Sequel- *a published, broadcast, or recorded work that continues the story or develops the theme of an earlier one.* Elden Ring is very much a continuation of the themes of Dark Souls. In its lore and the gameplay. George himself wrote the backstory, so obviously he'd know it's not a sequel in the traditional sense. But surely you'd agree that the Sims 3 is a sequel to the Sims 2, even if it doesn't actually continue the same story?
Ish, he made 5,000 years worth of history, that history is not linear tho, maybe it was at some point, but the linearity is inaccessible to us. As a result, the 5,000 year is not a really meaningful designation of time. Years are time it takes for the sun to travel around the earth. Does that describe the lands between?
I really don't think the lore and mythos are the most important part of Elden Ring. Story alone doesn't keep people playing for 100 hours. That's the gameplay including the combat and the exploration.
It’s what makes the soul game’s interesting. It’s always after a big event and the world is usually dying or decaying. So the story you understand is your story but once you actually want to know more there’s a rabbit hole of information that’s connect really well. It’s almost like you in disbelief of what the world used to be like but the evidence is all around you. Even the bosses are usually in bad shape and it makes you wonder what they were in their prime when the world wasn’t decaying or dark souls. It’s a awesome feeling to see something interesting or weird and looking up the lore behind it. Also the facts it not written but people have to piece the story together Is perfect in a way.
Found the guy who didn't play the previous games. Dark Souls 3's final boss wouldn't be top 5 bosses of all time if it wasn't for the fact that it has lore behind it.
So true lol he dint even know the name it’s not THE Elden ring it’s just elden Ring you can tell he flew to Japan once gave them like ten pages of scribble and went home thinking he’s the reason the game is so popular now
@@jessehalls3363 Lol stfu from what I’ve heard from soft were approached by Bandai and said nesislg make a souls type game and here’s the written apprenttly he wrote what happened before and Miyazaki change things after and one thing called “the Elden ring “ Diane mean anything lol
I love the idea of Martin handing Miyazaki this beautiful Mythos and world meticulously crafted with its own set of politics and Miyazaki just took a sledgehammer to the lore and sprinkled the shattered pieces into the game like puzzle pieces for us to find.
Mate Elden Ring is basically Dark Souls 4 but worse. Its indistinguishable in its gameplay. Its Dark Souls with spirit summons, a jump button and a horse, and weaker bosses with small counter windows and long combo strings.
This game is clearly a sequel of ds3, a world born after the dark age seen in the true ending of ringed city... Exactly like bloodborne is the sequel of ashes of ariandel (and ds1 for demon). That's proved by the fact that miyazaki confirmed the connection between déraciné and bloodborne
No, it’s not, I hate that people have this idea when it’s so obviously not true. Miyazaki has said multiple times that all of the series are separate, furthermore, it being a sequel does not even make sense, and completely ignores essential lore details in both series. Also, Miyazaki came out and said that the Bloodborne reference in deracine, was just an Easter egg. Stop spreading false information, it’s a separate world will separate lore and characters.
@@nightrain1121 no, I've read all interviews of miyazaki and he never denied the connections in his games (except for sekiro, where avoided the question for copyright reason). in fact he called the easter eggs about bb in déraciné as little nodes and he said that they exaggerated with them (fueling rumors about bloodborne 2). Moreover in an interview about bloodborne he randomly stated that the game shares a lot of things with painted worlds of dark souls (answering out of context when asked about the interconnection of the map). if you think about what they did with ashes ariandel, where a " "cold, dark, and very gentle place" is painted with the blood of the dark souls, everything is obvious... and ashes of ariandel is a painted world with a culture based on blood, hunters and werewolfs (ds3 ending was already written at the time of bb)
@@nightrain1121 if you don't believe me read the interviews at the bottom. Anyway could you explain me with part of the lore would be in contrast with the fact that those game are connected? Anyway read: "the significance of déraciné to bloodborne" "Our full miyazaki sekiro interview" "miyazaki bloodborne full interview"
@@untipo. no, clearly you haven’t. Just because these games have similar themes does not mean they are in the same universe. Miyazaki has stated multiple times that he prefers creating new worlds. Besides, the lore just doesn’t match up. Feel free to have your head canon and theories, but stop presenting them as facts.
I wonder how true this is? It’s a fun concept. Marin builds the castle and Miyazaki knocks it down, with item descriptions and undead left to tell the story
Miyazaki said that George was like a Dungeon Master and that he was the player that decided how things were gonna turn out (pretty accurate to be fair)
Miyazaki working with RR Martin was a brilliant idea. He can write the lore without worrying him finishing it because the players will fill lore holes by themselves.
I love martin, but myazaki takes most of the credit here. Martin basically created a complex family tree with some other details and myazaki did all the rest, he wouldn't have it any other way knowing niyaz
