Game of Thrones Ending Explained, Part 1: The Downfall of Daenerys Targaryen 

Now do Lion King analysis please

One could say it was not the death of the dream but rather the death of a dreamer. Sometimes the dream outlives the dreamer........

The take There is a new TV show you might like 'Years and Years'

The Take Yeah if you are doing the whole ring allegory, wouldn't Frodo have then have turned out to be the principal villain??

I would love to see you guys do an analysis of the following: Good Girls (season 1&2), The Good Place (seasons 1-3), the Marvelous Miss Maisel (seasons 1-2), the movie Us by Jordan Peele, Fullmetal Alchemist(:Brotherhood), and Akira (as they’re about to do a live action remake). Though, honestly, I think you’d both do an amazing job analyzing fascism in media in the 2010’s, based on what I saw of your analysis in this video, and in that case there’s a whole variety of things to pick from. I think it’s a bit unsettling how prominent it is in global media franchises, and not always explicitly. You have obvious ones like “the man in the high castle” (which, being Jewish, I couldn’t even get through a few episodes) or anime phenoms like “attack on titan” (which has unfortunate racial implications as well) that are more subtle in their presentation.

Perhaps, the show runners robbed him of his leadership qualities for "our queen"

Ahm no a Staaahk

Leave him alone he was D whipped man. He had Dany on the brain for a time the loins too. But he sobered up quick when Tyrion told him about his two sisters being threatened. Dany wasn't going to let them live she brought that out in her victory speech. Jon misguided love for Dany along with his misplaced loyalty didn't flinch, but Jon is a man of honor the hero of this story he had to bring the villain down by any means necessary, he tried to reason with her attempting to find any traces of the woman he fell in love with, when all else subsequently failed he had no other choice but to end her life tragic though necessary.

The way his character degraded this season was almost as baffling as Daenerys’ character assassination.

He knows nothing.

It's a shame that people is full of hysteria, if she could see the message anyone can.

I agree completely Miguel. There were various points throughout season 8 where I was thinking "this scene isn't having the emotional impact it should, because we were in such a rush to get here." The message may have still been there, but it certainly wasn't told as powerfully as it could have been.

I agree with you U X. People are mad because their blonde goddess was anything but. I binged watched the show from season 1 to 7, two years ago and even then, I could see that she was on the path of becoming an ENTITLED tyrant. My feelings were confirmed when she killed Samwell's Father and Brother. Who cares if his father was a dick? That was still HIS FAMILY. And she burned them AFTER THEY SURRENDERED... Just like she did in The Bells. When Jon Snow told her about the children and she tried to blame it on Cersei... That was bullshit. THE BELLS WERE RUNG... Making Cersei's rule at an end. When she burned the city she was supposed to save... That was all ON HER. Especially since Missandre GAVE DAENY THE DRAGON'S 🐉CODE WORD TO BURN 🔥 THE CITY BEFORE SHE WAS EXECUTED!!! But no. People don't want to see that. They want their cute blonde goddess.

@@robynsegg Yes, and Arya joined a death-worshipping cult, cooked human beings and fed them to their father, poisoned other human beings who may not have all been involved in her family's death without any due trial. Sansa fed a human being to his dogs and watched with pleasure as he was dying. Jon Snow cut off the head of a guy who already agreed to obeying him and hung a child. Are they all deranged? Taken (intentionally) out of context all the characters are horrible people. As for the writers whose sole responsibility this debacle is, when I see the bolts going through ship hulls like that... cannons can't do that, only rail guns, a 21st century technology still in its infancy. Do they have any idea how thick a ship's hull was? Naval cannons had to come into very close range to... maybe make a hole in the hull... maybe, if its lucky. The characters and everything became pawns to the writers to hurry the f**k out of the show. When the writers tell me it's the end of the Dothraki, but then I see them respawned like in video games. When they tell me that Daenerys, after having repeatedly spoken about Euron, including in the same episode, "kind of forgot" about him, then it's clear to me that the writers are insulting me (feels like gaslighting) and there is nothing deeper to it. Even worse, they tell me the best leader is the one who doesn't want the job. Please go to a job interview in real life and tell them you don't want the job, see if they hire you. Because the best leaders DO want to lead. What special merits did Bran have? What exactly did he contribute to defeating the Night King to be elected as king? Stories? :))))))) They tell me Tyrion's punishment for treason is becoming the second most powerful person in the country that he betrayed. I don't recall VP Benedict Arnold. There was no deeper message to this season and season 7 to be completely honest. What made Game of Thrones a great show was the realism and the ambiguity they threw to the side in favour of pretty frames and shots and Disney logic (stories... season 2 Tyrion would slap season 8 Tyrion like Joffrey for talking like some Disney character). So all the things Daenerys did weren't "on her" as a natural progression of the character, it was on the writers who wanted to end the show quickly and move on.

@@octavianpopescu4776 First of all, you went by way of China to make your point... A good chunk of what you wrote could have been edited. 2nd, yes all of those people did truly horrible things, but the difference in your examples is that with the exception of Jon Snow and the Knight Watch, they were not LEADERS. Arya went overboard on her vengeance and it was truly turning her into a piece of shit... To the point where she threatened her own sister with death. And yet The Hound supposedly saves her at the end. As for Sansa, really tho? Even I can understand why she did that. Ramsey raped her and forced Theron to WATCH HER be raped who he physically and mentally abused the poor kid AND cut off his dick. He killed his family including his newborn brother. He killed Ricken for fun. And skinned countless people alive including an elderly woman, to the point where the activity is placed on his sigle. Not to mention starving his own dogs. All Sansa did was lock his ass in. Jon Snow did his deeds because those treasonous fools killed him, even tho he was brought back to life. And even he had REMORSE for hanging the kid. Dany had NONE OF THAT. The people she killed was ORDINARY PEOPLE. And again, she made her choice AFTER THE PEOPLE SURRENDERED BY DEMANDING CERSEI TO RING THE BELLS, which she eventually did. Dany destroyed the town she was supposed to save. And she would have done the same to Winterfell and everywhere else if she had the chance. This was how the writers wrote it because Cesrei and Dany were two sides of the same coin. But I'm guessing your too enraptured by Dany to see this. The show is over, Grover. And Dany is dead. Get over it.

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Well she had to fit around a season of character development into that look, so she put some effort.

I agree. Final season was a mess, but DAMN those actors worked hard with what they had. They did everything they could to sell that shit even though they KNEW it was terrible.

@@LordofFullmetal Totally, I don’t blame any of the actors for the horrible writing. They all did a phenomenal job with what they had

Winston Tj they deadass give too much credit to the writing when analyzing this stinking shitpile of a season

@@thehardesthitting145lb3 yeah pretty much lol

That's because Season 8 is fine on a thematic level. It's the execution that's rushed and garbage.

Ok guy actually, the credit goes to the groundwork laid in past seasons... As well as probably the books. It's fairly easy to understand why things would end this way all along. But the last season ruined all that work by thinking it was enough. Though there were glimpses of madness in Dany all along, she never directly kills innocent people because of it. And we are given significant proof that she would be against doing that. So to just flip that switch without showing us what changes she had to go through to get to that point (even after they surrender) ... It's just real fucking lazy.

@@flockinify this.

One of the 20th century's greatest Alexander scholars wrote an article on this, I believe in 1965. You should check out Ernst Badian's 'Alexander the Great and the loneliness of power'. It's more on the internal power struggle between Alexander and his own officer corps/nobility, and reframe a lot of his actions within this context. Ex: the different plots against his life are in reality excuses to purge the old traditionalists from command, and replace them with his own inner circle.

@@Tobbhen This is why I read comments.

Now That's a comment, full of historical knowledge and thought-provoking analysis!! Truly Dany's appearance (the outfit, the huge Targaryen Banner, the militaristic setting) was very Hitlerersque! You should have much more likes :)

@@Sophia.Stark17 Thanks. It was Albert Speer who set up the look of the Nuremberg Rallies, and it was Leni Riefenstahl who used those settings to film, perhaps the most famous propaganda film of all time, "Triumph of the Will". Both Speer's and Leni Riefenstahl's influence are very visible in this episode.

@@RayeGunn Robespierre is certainly the modern prototype of the intellectual who is 100% sure that he knows what's best for the masses. So sure , in fact, that he will order the imprisonment and the deaths of thousands. Because (paraphrasing), "if they are against my ideas, they must evil". The ill-defined but all encompassing term, "enemies of the revolution" used by Lenin, Mao, Castro and, now, Chavez and Maduro, started with him. Nietzsche knew the history of revolutions and warned against, becoming the monster you seek to fight. Notice that in The US, the Revolution was never the thing to protect and defend. It was and is, The Constitution; a set of laws on how to run a country with the consent of the governed, not by an all knowing intellectual.

Nah, there were tons of people who were mad at her becoming mad queen.

I dont think it was in one episode After all she killed so many people, she burnt them, she feed her dragons with them, but "they were evil men"...Episode by episode she was becoming more and more self-assured about who she is and what she does. I actually read an interview of Emilia Clarke where she said that show runners wanted her to be like this (in some moments) even in the early episodes. So i think it was kinda noticable, i was surprised and didnt feel good and right when she did what she did even in early episodes(sometimes) But i watched the show in one month, whileost of the people have watched it since the begining (2013?) may be that is why they were not able to see

That writing pisses me off, they really should have started to show a more obvious transition in meereen. It would have fit perfectly with everything she had just finished in astapor and Yunkai.

@@janerkej5062 oh no, I saw it, and when it started to become more obvious, that's when I started to like her. Like her psycho side was slowly showing up and that's what I liked about her. But the way they did the transition sucked completely. Everyone was complaining about the writing for years, and I don't think there is any moment quite as clear as the end that shows the problems that we were complaining about.

That's another problem I have. She wasn't mad at the end. She was evil. There's a difference.

Yup.... and then we end the show with another king. Elected, albeit, by noble landlords, but nothing else has really changed. Still has absolute power.

Well, not quite. One could say that a good king is a wise king, wise enough to find himself advisors who can keep him in place while he keeps them. like ying and yang, always keeping each other in balance and peace.

@@ReporterRed he's gonna get usurped in like a week 😂😂😂

Perhaps not in the show. But in the books, Jaehaerys 1 and Daeron 2 were beloved by the smallfolk and Lords alike.

@@ReporterRed Yes and no. He does have absolute power but remember, he tells Tyrion that he doesn't really 'want' things anymore. I think his status as Three Eyed Raven will help keep him on the straight and narrow. And after he's dead the next ruler will be elected rather than born into it. So I think they have a much better chance now.

They still had longer episodes though.

More episodes for them to screw up

More like there should have been more seasons

80 episodes would have been enough. Season 7 and 8 were rushed.

Grrm said_ 13 seasons

So many people liked that shot but I personally found it cheesy and said to my self 'did you just really compared her to the devil in such obvious way?'

@@tomasvrabec1845 I don't get the love for that shot either

The shot wad very obvious and basic... it was very simple visual language, to be honest.

But it was beautiful, still.

@@tomasvrabec1845 Hmm, I didn't think it was them comparing her to the devil, I thought it was symbolizing how the dragon inside of Dany has been awoken.

Why did she destroy the city her family built and kill everyone? I agree that's not necessarily madness. It is, however, irrational and stupid. Dany was never either one of those things. Too in love with her own fabulousness yes but that's not the same thing.

That's how I always saw it. Her arrogance was her downfall. She has this belief that she knows better, that she IS better, we see it time and time again in the way she deals with other people. And as Tyrion says, this creates a snowball effect over time that eventually makes her believe that EVERYTHING she does is perfect and just.

@@Himaryous It is very rational: 1) KL is also the city that exiled her family and supported the usurper, a city that has a bad reputation to pretty much everyone outside it ('You know why I came to this sh*thole of a city? To kill you.'), and is largely regarded as the ultimate den of corruption and intrigue. Can you really build a new world with such a vile place as its center? Even worse, these bastards instead of fighting Cersei FLOCK TO HER FOR PROTECTION! You think Dany is the kind of gal who'll forgive that sh*t? 2) Also, let's not forget, Dany is just one dragon-busting-crossbow away from having NOTHING. How long before someone else perceives her mercy as a weakness and starts giving her attitude? How long before someone tries to pull the same trick Euron pulled? She is in a position where she absolutely needs to send a strong message for no one to ever f*** with her again.

Or perhaps people who think Jerkinoff and Wuss were adapting the story with all that you just projected into it without discussing any of the OTHER source material they started plagiarizing/paraphrasing in the most egregiously thin ways the further out on that ledge without Martin they got need to grab a Western Civ/World History 101 book, a freshman literature text, and the commentary from Jerkinoff and Wuss. Suddenly you'll realize that they actually WERE ripping off "madness" in a very literal way, from Cato the Elder getting angry as he looked over defeated Carthage from the walls, growing more and more ticked off about the youth he spent at war to defeat the former #1 power of the ancient world to put Rome on top despite Carthage's surrender, deciding to use his rage as the fire to convince other Romans to give up on mercy and build a coalition that would agree to put the city to the torch...to ripping off the French Revolution's speeches on liberty, fraternity, equality, and tyranny as Robespierre took them right over the edge into the madness of the Terror ("All right, let it be fear," as Dany's hair gets all unkempt and overnight she is suddenly even looking like the portraits of wild-haired and wild-eyed Robespierre)...and on and on it goes. They just grabbed some relevant speeches from the events Martin does do a great job at deconstructing, broke out a thesaurus, threw together some synonyms and a little rubber glue to produce a script with enough crap stuck in there that with Sapochnik's big combat spectacles that they thought they could just make it out safely without anyone realizing what screw ups they were without nearly the layers you think you were seeing on that screen! Seriously, if my students turned in papers to me that so obviously ripped off things without documentation and just used thinly veiled synonyms in such ridiculous way, I'd be really torn between wanting them to have to start the class all over again and see if they could actually learn something with a second run through and wanting to kick them out of my class and send that mess over to the academic ethics board!

@@SerbAtheist Then again, if you're just ONE dragon-busting crossbow away from having NOTHING, you might want to think about a new plan besides relying on the ONE dragon to help you conquer the world and keep all rebellions suppressed.

Me too i really thought it was arya for killing the night king but it was jon all along

yes, exactly.

It's strange how I know exactly what 'look' of Dany's you're talking about just by mentioning the episode name because that's how well played out it was

@@mogumogu7774 Exactly, it was simply That good :)

I can't argue with anyone who complained about Dany's descent into evil and madness, but the end results are all the same acceptable it was in the cards all along, how they got there fell on the writers who made do with what they had, but this makes Dany one of the greatest villains/victims of all time in my opinion.

@RheyaRu!z It was inevitable the signs were always there, don't get it twisted Dany was inherently good, she did what she could with what she had to make the world a better place, but in the back of our minds despite the fact, we saw that potentially at any given moment Dany could turn heel which she ultimately did, the best villains are usually the heroes of their own stories.

Nietzsche.

Be careful when you stare too long into darkness, the darkness stares back at you.

It's not "darkness". It's the *abyss* "Battle not with monsters lest ye become a monster And always remember - when you gaze into the abyss, the abyss also gazes into you" The Iron Throne is here the abyss. It is Will to Power twisted into its most ugly, cruel, violent form. It is all the cruelties that were needed to make the animal "man" into a regular, orderly, faithful creature who may then be *ruled* It is the history of "civilization" embodied as a throne. It is History itself, written by the rulers. But this is only *one* history, and there would be others. After all, the moral arc of the universe (World Reason) is long...

​@@mattgilbert7347 I was paraphrasing, you quote nazi! :) The "darkness" is the iron throne in this case. Absolute power in the form of a razor sharp chair. The closer Dany gets to it and the more selfish/ambitious she is, the darker her costume is. When she is acting selflessly, her costume is a light/pale colour. Its a small detail but that was my context.

@@jenk289 glad that someone took notice too 👍😁.

Id say this characters ending was actually the best of them all. The propper bittersweet. Main character got a good ending but the character turned out to be an evil mastermind driven by the children of the forest to take controll of the seven kingdoms. Id say though that the Johns Targaryan heritage was to make Dany mad (as most people seem to thing). Dany I feel like would not be angry for another true member of her family even if he is an hair. She feels she has a duty/is destined to take it for her family so if there is someone with a better claim she would not mind that much. The reason why Bran told is to John is that he simply would not have killed her otherwise. Just imagine... This is a silly theory that will never be true but its still a fun thought. What if the night king was actually a good guy that knew Bran would try to become the king and children of the forest would get power over westeros? What if thats the reason white walkers came back after all that time? It was only because noone could speak their language they had to force they way to Bran if they wanted to stop him only they failed.

Yes he was, he and Sansa played the game masterfully. Who is the Three Eyed Raven?

@@FIN791998 I wondered about that Night King theory too.

D.T. would love to be a dictator. As we can see, throughout history, and particularly in the Middle East in recent history, once a political system is broken and removed, it creates a vacuum, and it becomes very hard to rebuild society again.

That's actually how I initially interpreted what she said. Everyone was talking about democracy, and I thought I was crazy for hearing a declaration of absolute dominance. I thought it meant that she was gonna get rid of the houses and that she was gonna kill off the nobles. Essentially, so that her rule could never be contested or any future rule could never be usurped. I thought she meant she was gonna take power away from everyone. I also thought I interpreted it wrong for years. Yay me? 😕

It wasn't just that. You missed the entire point of you think that's all she was thinking.

It was an excellent scene it seemed too early in the show for him to stab her and it was unexpected as he is still professing his love for her. We are also unsure of what would happen when Drogon showed up. Could the bittersweet be the death of the couple? would he gain the 'flaming sword' sword needed to kill the beast Drogon? Will the Targaryen make him fireproof, or able to control the dragon? CGI Drogon was excellent, CGI melting throne horrible - they would have been better melting a miniature metal replica for that part.

At least he survived

Because if they pulled this s*** with 10 episodes they could forget about any Star Wars or Confederate series they're trying to do. we would read them for Filth, and their names would be cursed forever

I agree! And all the “it was foreshadowed!” comments really doenst justify the descent.

The writers told Martin years ago they wanted to end at season 7, so sadly I think they lost the will to keep going. Woild have been nice if they passed the torch, as Martin wanted to go at least 10 seasons.

@@brokenroot7337 Not even 10 seasons though that would be nice. Just 2 or 3 episodes more...fuck it, this needs 10 seasons.

Well you already knew it would be 6 episodes. I already knew it would be rushed, so it was less surprising when it came out. Don't lie to yourself when you know the truth.

She didn't forget. She just didn't care anymore.

@@dwnkaomwn3953 yeah in 2/73 ep she just didnt care

@@dwnkaomwn3953 The same woman who said we have mercy. And we will give mercy. Just didn't care anymore...👌

@@trigunfox2325 she only ever had mercy to those who worshipped her. Dany had a messiah complex about herself, where she believed that the people of the world should fight for her within an instant of her arrival. Because the people of King's Landing didn't overthrow Cersei for her (which led to the deaths of one of her dragons and Missandie), they were enemies to her. And we know how she treats enemies. To her, the civilians of Kings Landing were not innocents.

@@trigunfox2325 She was mad and drunk with power like her father(Aerys) and brother(Viseys) as a result of "Targaryen madness". Do you have a better explanation?

You could argue that Missandei's death blinded her judgement and being so close to getting the iron throne just made her not care anymore. There was a phrase relating to power. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

You know she has the near same situation as Joffrey though in terms of genetics right? Which, imo is sort of insensitive of George, but there is historical precedent of rulers born of heavy incest would sometimes "go mad" after a serious loss and extensive grief, like the death of a loved one. Dany's parents weren't twins thankfully but they were siblings. This means she shares 75% of her DNA with her brother AND her father. Who were, objectively both abusive and struggling with mental issues, likely early onset Alzheimer's. It's a real case of "reality is unrealistic" because, like life, sometimes there isn't a neat or clear "break," people just deteriorate in ways we don't ever fully understand. We don't usually see it coming until it's too late.

I think your upset that Dany for all her good intentions, they say 'the road to hell is paved with good intentions' strung you along all this time as self-made liberator, and self professed savior of the masses, with divine power destined for greatness, which is a two-way street the bottom suddenly fell out, this is Game of Thrones there's no happily ever afters, to quote Ramsey Bolton 'if you think this story has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention.'

I agree it was rushed, but imo the delusional part was correct. Tons of imperial regimes use the excuse that innocents were human shields to justify civilian casualties. It’s pretty much America’s go to excuse for drone wars and military strikes that lead to innocents dying, and what is a dragon but a magic drone?

MorninStar yeah, except for Stannis, you saw how the choices he made ended him up with killing his daughter and brother. You saw that even though he loved his daughter, he clearly had enough disdain for her that he would leave her locked up underground. So the leap didn't feel that far. For Dany, it was like they tried to jump from one end of a football field to another. When she was looking disheveled, her best friend just died, of course, she is going to mourn. That in no way signals that she has gone mad and is willing to kill innocent people who weren't even there when missandei died. Though her concern for people was declining, those people she killed were not innocent in her eyes. Even Jon and Ned killed people who disobeyed them, and they were not mad rulers. But she knew till the very end that she had killed innocent people because she said as much when she tried to justify it using Cersei as her scapegoat. There was never any clear change in her that would make this believable. @Emily Amaro People going mad is NEVER sudden. It's just that we don't see the things their mind had to go through to get to the breaking point. The point of storytelling is that we get to see that. We saw glimpses of what she was capable of, but there was really no proof she would ever cross that line. Had they not wrung the bells... All the way, I could have seen her making that choice. There was significant lead up to that. Because using her own logic, they would have disobeyed her by not surrendering.

They could have interspersed quick flashbacks to all she's endured with her sudden emotional change to better reveal the rage brewing inside her.

How is it morally suspect? Because you didn't like it? Grow the fuck up

@@sergioivan ruthless with enemies doesnt equal burning innocent children! There wasnt enough time given to show the unravelling of her mental state! Now id like to hear an actual argument from u instead of slandering someone's opinion

Sergio Iván González relax. You’re telling me it’s not the least but potentially dubious to have the show turn around and say “don’t cheer on someone who eviscerates objectively evil people like rapists, tyrants, and fucking slave owners because then you’re just creating a worse evil”? That’s incredibly iffy messaging.

@@ThePonderer Yeah, you got it exactly. Don't cheer for anyone's death, even those who deserve to die.

The pacing is the point. When people you thought were good end up being bad, you really don't have the time to process this. Events careen and spiral out of control. As someone whose experienced this first hand (look at my nationality) I think S8 showed this brilliantly.

Imo it’s not just the pacing… it’s also the fact that she always freed innocent people and stood for them. For her to actively seek out thousands of regular people who have done nothing wrong, just doesn’t make sense

Season 7 was rushed, add those missing episodes to fill in travel, time jumps and magical transportation of armys. Season 8 had the Night King and army, episode 3 was good, maybe great. BUT, it had plenty of flaws. Most of the problem is in what felt like an unresolved ending with lots of unanswered questions. This was supposed to be a Winter that lasted years and it barely lasted months. The Night King waited 1000 since his last attack and once the dragon melts a hole in the wall marchs straight to Winterfell? They could have used episodes one and two and a (third or fourth) to better build up the threat of the White Walkers. They showed the remains of House Umber how about showing some other houses forced to flee short on provisions as they are attacked. What if some small groups White Walkers did head south of Winterfell and decide to stay and wait for the Night King (they put all their eggs in one basket) They use this time to explain more of the Night Kings origin and motives - he is more than just a force of nature that wants to end the history of man. Maybe him and Bran have a mental confrontation - one where it is established that the Night King has a personal vendetta against the 3-eyed Raven and that is why he will do the act himself. Then we are able to head into the final episodes without the preexisting aftertaste of disappointing storytelling hoping the finally will overwhelm us somehow.

The main reasons why season 8 was so terrible was because D&D told us instead of showed us "Danaerys has refused to eat", Show us! Time jumps, plot holes, lack of build up or not paying off on build up like the golden company. Plot convinieces are everywhere, respawning armies, poor tactical and political decisions and characters doing things they wouldn't normally do. Tormund said he was going north of the wall, it took Jon 6 weeks to get to kings landing then he waited on Dragonstone, then they attacked and he was imprisoned for about 3 weeks, then went up to the wall which took a minimum of 6 weeks. Was Tormund waiting at Castle Black for 3 months?

@@SkaterBlades You've made a very good argument in my opinion. Also, your first line... that is pretty illuminating when you think about it because the question becomes 'Was she NOT eating because of her recent emotional losses? Or was it because the one she TRUSTED with her food & drink was gone: Missandei? If it's the 'latter' has she been paranoid since some tried to poison her in Quarth (which would make sense) or was she paranoid since the Witch killed her family and progressively becoming more & more so over time? Reminding ourselves that BEFORE Jon came to Dragonstone, only the people who LOVED her was around her while after the victory over the Night King Jon noticed she wasn't eating or really drinking! Was that because of where she was? Totally understandable & smart or was it genuine paranoia? A short conversation between perhaps Greyworm and Missandei could cleared that up. Too lazy to do it. Just proclaiming her MAD because she won't eat is ignorant (many commenters & reviewers have done that) but *if they had SHOWED us like you suggest,* we might have seen that she hasn't been eating 'properly' for a very long time and we know that the lack of a balanced diet weakens the body & soul over time... Would have been a 'measurable' variable that squarely introduced us to the idea that she ultimately had a 'breakdown' whether Emotional OR Mental.

I was a huge Dany fan and before this video I had a realy hard time accepting she would end up like this despite knowing Martin had probably planned this ending since the beginning. For me it was not just the build up that we can all agree was horrible. It was also the fact that her ending in the show was (for her) purely bitter and no "good guy" death was ever like this before. Dany just like Stannis did not want the throne at all she just felt it was her duty/she was destined to. But all she ever wanted was to go home to bravos to the house with the red doors and a lemon tree and peace. She also had a soft spot for a familly. And so we have been watching this character grow, try to stay as sane and good as possible just to loose anyone she ever cared for and be killed by the last living person she loved? This is very subjective but ending like that is realy disappointing and ruined this storyline for me. It just makes you ask yourself "What was the point of it then? She could have died at the very beginning and nothing would change" And while the philosophy explanation in this video sounds quite good. It is still just a general phylosophy that does mean one has to go mad. And while it has been forshadowed a madness will become a strugle for her at some point she feels still very stable in both the books and episode 4 of season 8. And while im sure george will make her ending sence and make it actually bittersween and not just bitter. The wounds were made and part of me just does not want to read her storyline anymore because of the show ending.

@@conniethesconnie I would say episode 3 was a great ending to the white walkers (although im still mad we did not see night king or any of his generals actually fight). Its very fitting in my opinion that the winter was stopped at winterfell that was also build by the same guy who did build the wall. The biggest problem was we did not have any episodes where white walkers would be recognized as a danger to the whole continent or they would do any damage but to destroy last heart. My opinion about the first half of season 8 is very unpopular but Id say those episodes we got were great. The problem is with those episodes that we did not get... Those that would setup their defeat better

Ahh but isn't premature endings and betrayals what GOT were ultimately driven by?

Johnathon Haney no it was driven by good source material, and a coherent story. Until they decided to go Wolverine: Origins again. Had she been properly built up, her imminent or immediate death would have weighed more.

@@blackflagsnroses6013 She was properly build up from the start she was destined to finish what her mentally ill father was starting everything came full circle.

@@andrewforte3852 Her doing something ruthless to her enemies was always setup in the show, her targeting innocents after a surrender was never setup in the show.

Andrew Forte like Fingolfin said, Daenerys has been Maegor the Cruel a bit, but not crazy, she still isn’t psychopathic just lost sight of reality and developed a god-complex, or messianic-complex. Nothing suggested she would burn civilians after winning the city. She’s been cruel, to offenders and enemies, which is normal for the rulers of this world. But killing civilians, children, that wasn’t developed well.

0Paronomasia0 --Especially giving us a full 12 episodes.

I couldn't agree more.. A real masterpiece... Thank you..

They already did the video for Arya

@@luisab5726 Outstanding!👍

@@luisab5726 No, he means the ending of the show, where the Starks ended up.

It's bullshit.

For some reason he seems to breed those.

@@jasenjacobs1365 Galloping Consumption. As Mr. Kaufmann said, it is an illness. He was not a careless, reckless writer so he should be read with care and...what's the opposite of "reckless"? "With reck"?

she was speaking in Jon's regard. Jon still thought there was a way to talk her down from what she had become. Arya's words was a warning that she would eventually turn on Jon if things were allowed to continue. She fought against the forces of the dead but yet still decided to destroy the city full of innocents, She already had it in her head to do so before Tyrion and Varys sway her by pointing out how people will view the actions and the consequences and even then she settles on making sure the people understood Cersei fucked them before Dany destroyed them all instead of doing what was right. Dany named her win conditions from the start, but she did not stay true to them.

This is what happens when you give stupid people subliminal messages to figure out on their own. The weak little brains just can't put the pieces together. Your comment is absolute proof that some people need everything explained to them like they're a 6 year old.

THIS.

THIS. SO MUCH

Pretty much THIS. It's like Melisandre quoting herself wrong ("...and blue eyes") just to fit the situation. There is no hidden meaning in their writing. They just go along. They put in a additional child of Cersei just to retcon it with the prophecy. They forgot that Davos and Sam already knew about dragonglass when John asked where to find some. They let Dany ask who the lord of Storms End is and not a single lord can answer the question. As if Storms End is just a small castle with no strategic value. You know why? Because they completely forget about it! That's their level of competence. They forget what was said by whom. They are not smart writers. And at this point I really doubt that they ever cared slightly about the story of the books.

There is a big difference between being a servant after a life of independence, making one's own choices and personality development, like Davos, and being a servant after being a slave all one's life. The sccene with GW, Missandrei and Tyrion just showed how much work the former two still had to do in just developing their personalities. It reminded me of an English teacher in North Korea, who had trouble explaining to their students how to write an essay because the concept of having one's own opinion and arguing it still seemed way too alien.

Excellent comment. Adding to your last note... The double standards. The awful bloody 𝘥𝘰𝘶𝘣𝘭𝘦 𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘯𝘥𝘢𝘳𝘥𝘴. First example, Sansa feeds her tormentor to his dogs. Second, Arya feeds a man his children, then uses his face to slaughter his house for vengeance. You know what those bits really were? Empowering feminist moments™! Dany can't get away with crucifying the slave owners because 𝘮𝘢𝘺𝘣𝘦 some of them weren't okay with the mass child crucifixions... they were just okay with the 'owning slaves' part. These double standards were at their absolute worst during these last few seasons. Foreshadowing doesn't mean shit if everyone's being held to different standards of acceptable behavior. Sorry for the rant ;-)

The Ghost thing was ridiculous. All of the analysis that followed was about him not petting a dog and ignored most of the story. It was so bad that if I were writing anything for TV I would never have a dog in it because it draws so much attention away from the actual story. I do think in general the writing did leave a lot to be desired, for example the North wanting their freedom and no one pressing them on it and no one else asking for independence. Also the people they chose to be on the council didn't make sense, why were people like Arya and Brienne there? doesn't make any sense. Overall, I agree with your point, people enjoyed piling on instead of thinking critically but I think that's more of a symptom in the time we live in where usually the loudest voices come from the dumbest people.

It’s so sad to see everyone jump on the hate train. I think only the people who are actually die hard fans understood what game of thrones represented, the ring and the throne can corrupt even the most good intentioned. Really liked Daenerys’ tragic ending, definitely what George was planning. And also people hating Bran becoming ruler, I think was a very good end to the show. Bran is not a man nor corrupted by power or desire I seen a good quote before “those who do not learn from the past are destined to repeat past mistakes” If Bran is their memories then he would make the most just ruler People just like to complain, in my opinion they never understood the story but I agree it was rushed

@@Aaron-kj8dv I couldn't agree more. After episode 5 I felt very angry because I thought Daenerys burning Kings Landing made no sense. But once I processed it and analyzed her, it made perfect sense. I just would have preferred if there were more episodes which have provided better pacing. What I've also noticed is that GOT is being picked on more than any other show has been. And it seems that since the show became so big that many of the viewers/commenters are either, nutjobs or they don't have the mental capacity to understand symbolism.

Conroyrofl You seem not to have realized there is an argument that Bran arranged the burning of King's Landing to get Jon and Dany out of the way so he could be king. That is ambition and cold blooded mass murder. He used his powers to see possible futures and encouraged the one he wanted-even if it meant innocents died.

I really like the acknowledgement that the in-show character building that resulted in her burning down KL was the 30 seconds where her face became full of rage. Perfect video that talks about Dany’s journey while also pointing out the poor execution and problematic ending-something that D&D accelerated at. I’d hate to be married to those bastards.

It's the execution what was so terrible imo. SO rushed

Assuming he ever finishes the series.

@Liz Lee No offense but I have no idea what you are actually trying to say with all that.

@@johnathonhaney8291 same im so confused

@@johnathonhaney8291 He's trying to say that sir ad01f was a good man

@@johnathonhaney8291 same im so confused what last lannister? Lmao

Jaded Wonderland I agree that Daenerys premeditated the burning of KL. I don’t really care what the writers have to say about it, I don’t need their permission to interpret the writing.

Actually if you revisit the discussion Dany was arguably referring to the thousands of people Cersei was packing into the Red Keep to use as human shields. If Dany was actually going to burn King's Landing then Varys would have mentioned a million people during his discussion with her.

A year of speculation that relies largely on LOTR logic begs to differ.

You are correct.

@@johnathonhaney8291 Season 8 suffered from a lack of any logic, LOTR or otherwise.

danny was not logical when it came to punish her enemies but before she had friends that could stop her from going to far, if jorah, missandei and barristan where alive that would not have happen

Why does the U.S. bomb non-combatants by the dozens to kill a few terrorists? Hollow morals and narcissistic worldviews (in our case, US exceptionalism) allow for the dehumanization of both threats and innocents alike. When I ask war mongers who supported Obama's drone strikes why it's okay to slaughter civilians in the name of justice and liberation, they parrot that they are just collateral damage for a just cause. They literally parrot what Dany said, that to kill them would allow her to "free" future generations. This is the delusion Dany has been living under since she destabilized Slaver's Bay, just like we've been living under our delusions since we destabilized Iraq and Afghanistan.

SpiderMark M. idk, correct me if I’m wrong but I do not recall her having anything but pity and compassion for children at least. Even after she burned them all, she knew these innocents did nothing wrong, in contrast to the past killings where she thought her victims did actions that warranted her brutality. She locked up two of her dragons after drogon killed a kid. Seemed to indicate to me that her internal moral structure is overwhelmingly simplistic-innocents, enemies and allies. I am not saying that she’s never been cruel, I am simply saying that for her to attack innocents when she didn’t need to and taking into account her past moral framing-seems inconsistent to me.

Emily Amaro I am not American so not sure if my response would be too relevant, and although I appreciate the « freedom » parallel you just made, I do not necessarily agree with it. I think a large part as to why some ppl believe this type of narrative is their distance from the ground. In my experience, it is much more difficult to buy such an incongruent narrative-that to free people you must kill innocents when you easily could not have done so-when you see the killings for yourself, on the ground, and hear the screams of the people. Dany’s position, that of a perpetrator, and the people you are talking about-removed, detached and brainwashed, seem different to me.

TGB This is just the way I saw it, but I don’t think that Dany really made it a point to kill the innocent. When she decides to burn the city, I don’t think the innocent or the people are even a thought in her head. I think that she just chooses to make it personal, and the innocents were included on the receiving end of it. Also, the way she words it suggests that she doesn’t think that she killed them, but rather that Cersei killed them. Dany says that Cersei used their innocence as a weapon against her; she takes no responsibility for the killing. It all ends up as Cersei’s fault; it was Cersei who instigated everything, and it was Cersei who put the people there. So, in Dany’s mind, the deaths are all Cersei’s fault. Cersei is the reason they are dead, so Cersei is the one who killed them. I personally feel like the final season was very rushed, and they did the best they could under the constraints imposed. But I also don’t want to say Dany doing this is out of character or character assassination, because her behavior was both foreshadowed and contextualized within her hero’s journey. Foreshadowing is not development, but I think that it’s important to remember that everyone around Dany saw her as the hero, and she did too, because it was her story. Again, this is just the way I saw it.

Maybe it's just you that's the failure.

@@georgeleinberger8670 nice try attempting to shift the writers failure(s) to someone else, but it doesn't work that way. Either it's clear or it's not. Period.

lannisport*

It was his home for a while, to be fair, and he did risk his life to protect its people as Hand.

Bradley Janssen and also it was snow not ash the producers confirmed

Good point. In spite of the time since it was made I wanted to mention that. Plus killing her should've had Ned Stark like impacts which would kick off more wars and suffering-not less.

Oh Jesus Christ. She burned the whole town.

12 likes… yikes. A guy of the very people that got mad with the “Mad Queen” arc. Compliment her flaws? Reform her? This ain’t a Sandra Bullock rom-com, maybe Disney would pick up those lesser powerful stories you think of

Friend of mine told me before I started watching this series: "People don't like it because they didn't get the ending that *THEY wanted. Doesn't necessarily mean that it was a bad ending. Ridiculous comments like yours and other people I see prove that completely. Some people are corrupt by power. Once that happens, a person can get drunk with it. She wasn't only drunk with power, she was drunk with rage, jealousy, and grief. All that was fueled by hatred, pain, and revenge. There is a point of no return for every human being. For you simpletons not to pick up on that, it's just sad.

True, although I don't think that's what Martin intended for her to be.

Agreed.

I beg to differ. While they may not have evolved to a democracy, they went from a monarchy to an oligarchy. Which still, is in no way perfect, but at least with Bran as the King he has no ego so he won't be corrupted by power.

Aminah Majied Lol ask the Habsburg’s how such a system ends up. They made things possibly even worse. And it’s not an oligarchy it’s still a monarchy with an elected monarch.

Well I'm certainly not a political science major lol. An in real life I certainly could not argue that point. However let's not forget GOT is a combination not only real life and historical events. but MAGIC. And so perhaps more than anything the wheel being broken is more about the 3 eyed raven (someone who really isn't totally human and with no ego) taking control.

@@aminahmajied3373 but even then, the three eyed raven is not immortal, so when he dies, the wheel must turn and another king must sit on the iron throne. The iron isn't physical, but symbolic of the absolute power they wield over westeros. Even the way that bran ended up on the throne is not much different than the way robert baratheon or joffrey came to power. After a conflict, the other powerful families agreed, whether by force or lack of resources to take it themselves, to allow this person or family on the throne. The houses being spokes, the starks just happens to be the spoke on top for now while the wheel still turns and crushes the little man. I've heard George RR Martin say in interviews about how Aragorn in Lord of the Rings was a "good king and lived happily ever after," but the details is what fascinated Martin i.e. how did Aragorn tax the elite or what was his immigration plan. This was the core intrigue of GoT. But now Bran gets his "he was a good king for 100 years and everyone lived happily ever after." This is exactly what GoT deconstructed and made us love.

@@aidenpak3556 Interesting and a lot to mull over. I always enjoy GRRM's interviews. Do you have an opinion of what would have been a more satisfying way to break the wheel. Please don't think I'm being sarcastic, I'm just wondering because you seem to have really put some thought into it.

Spot on!

Its explained in the books. The girl symbolizes the consequence of using her dragons, which she initially does not want hence why she locks them up. At the end, she forgets the childs name to embrace fire and blood.

No one said she was evil. People are not all good or all bad. That’s what makes us human. I think she was a good person but because of circumstances and the corrupting nature of complete power, even the best of us can fall.

Thank you. Sometimes I feel like the only person that liked the ending

That's how major characters died in this series usually. For every Red Wedding, a sudden death at sea. For every Purple Wedding, a crossbow bolt while on the toilet. It's tawdry, sudden and anything but fair.

Dany's death should have had massive fallout, especially since she named all her Dothraki bloodriders so they should have been trying to kill Jon at all costs, including the Unsullied army. It should have been a whole new wave of chaos; you can’t kill a queen and expect no consequences. But there were no consequences for killing Dany, her death is swept under the rug in like five minutes.

@RheyaRu!z nobody liked dany except greyworm though

Elias N Would you have preferred the Shakespearean death, where the mortally wounded person gives a speech?

@@fingolfinofnoldor3592 Good. That shows that her leadership had no substance, which is true.

You are saying that she is inventing this?

Implying that The Take just made this up and didn't grab from the show to explain the themes to people claiming it's "rushed" or "the writers don't care bro".... Please watch the series, like put your phone down, use your eyes and ears before you make another comment on how "crappy" the ending was, please?

Spent a good bit of time revisiting parts of earlier seasons. The ending was crappy. The character assassinated one of the most important characters in order to excuse nonsense. And yes The Take made this up. That gets more apparent the more you think about this video and the other ones they made and how they don't match things in game of thrones nor logic. Also the new oligarchy isn't "enlightened" so much as the wheel remade and ready to roll over peasants again.

Aminah Majied FOR REAL. It’s been such a whine fest. They should go back to watching Disney if they want something a little easier to digest 😂

“Stop whinging” “I’m not whinging!” “Your lips are moving and your complaining. That’s whinging.”

@@emilyamaro9263 Exactly.

Pointing out huge plot holes and having trouble accepting that dany got full tyrant in like 2 episodes is not whining. Dany sacrificied her army and her throne to go help jon fight the army of the dead to save the lives of people she did know. But suddenly she wants to kill them all. If she was that tyrant all along she would not have sacrificied everything to fight the dead. Game of thrones used to be great and therefore people have expectations. People get flashed by the beautiful cinematographie and battles and forget that the best seasons used to be character driven and only had a fight per season. Your definition of whining would also include any form of criticism. Without criticism, things can never improve.

Rafaela Scheiwiller lmao no it doesn’t, please stop ignoring how self centered and narcissistic Dany has been since season one. She BURNED a gang rape victim alive. She coerced abused child soldiers into being her army for free, instead of giving them a life outside warfare. She doesn’t empower the Dothraki women she CONSOLIDATES they into militarized force and uses their brutality to subjugate a continent she never deserved. She adopted her brothers obsessions and delusions of grandeur right after he died, all the while acting like it was always her birthright, and you all fell for it because she was marginalized as a woman in a misogynistic world. News flash, so was Miri, and she was raped and her town slaughtered EXPLICITLY because Daenerys asks Drogo to help her take the Iron Throne. Dany was complicit in war crimes from SEASON ONE. She also burns anyone who doesn’t show her undying loyalty when she “saves them” and Miri was the first, KL was the final form of Daenerys’ rage for revenge (NOT the same as justice btw!!) This is the pivotal decision where she stops being solely a victim and complicit in war crimes for the first time. It’s obfuscated by how Dany and Drogo have this conversation while all lovey dovey. Go watch season one again and realize Dany was NOT righteous in her actions, and allowed her self righteous attitude to prevent her from ACTUALLY helping another woman of a different race combat misogyny. She never denies that she intended to raise her son as the “stallion who mounts the world” when Miri points out why it’s better that the genocidal family was stopped in its tracks. Think about that for a minute. Dany both in the horse heart ceremony and in Drogo’s war speech looks THRILLED, not horrified at the thought of rape and pillage going on in her name or by her future flesh and blood. Dany tried to white feminist her way with Miri and Miri instead did NOT show undying loyalty to her and her mass raping, mass murdering hubby. So she was violently executed in one of the worst ways imaginable. Again how is it your fave isn’t disturbed by the smell of burning flesh? It’s said to haunt people their whole lives and even make them wary of certain cooked meats because of ptsd. Dany seems to relish it and want more even when less brutal executions are literally always available. (Not that she didn’t f*ck up when she executed Mossador too.) Ya wanna know the only nation in our world today that has execution by FLAMETHROWER?? North Korea. Yikes. Your fave is more like North Korea than anything else in terms of human rights abuses. 😳 Before anyone says ‘oh but she killed her baby!’ No she didn’t, she talked more shit to twist the knife after Dany miscarried (she is a baby of sibling incest and she was pushed by a blood rider onto her stomach.... it’s pretty simple tbh) because she LITERALLY saw women and children beheaded and killed. She feels Dany is complicit and the she was. Remember that Dany accidentally gives Miri the chance to assassinate Drogo, because she’s really stupid enough to believe this woman loves her now and sees her as her savior, while he was sitting in front of a PILE OF HEADS from her town. HEADS. Dany is a sick weirdo for ever thinking Miri would develop Stockholm syndrome for Drogo like she did considering the setting. Girl never learned to read a room lmao take a look at how she died?? It’s the same exact reason Drogo was killed, her own ignorance. Dany is one of the most consistent characters on there y’all are just mad you fell for her god-complex and conquering mentality. Anyways, stop drone strikes and be an anti war activist like George 😬

Yes, finally! I never understood how no one ever brought up the fact, that she abandoned the people she „liberated“ when it didn’t interest her anymore. Also what bothered me is that Daenerys always sentenced to death, giving no second chances. For someone who wanted to be seen as a savior, she always went for the extremes. But I agree that it was rushed. George R.R. Martin asked for 10 season (it would end in the same way), to give more insight. But Daenerys story was bound to go downfall. One person can not build an Utopia, an imaginary world when everyone is happy, thanks to one him/her/them. Many with such dreams, and wish to do good and bring justice, ended up as the world‘s worst dictators.

Oh my God! I’m not alone.

I just noticed in season 3 episode 10 right before the newly freed slaves came out she said to Jorah "I guess they didn't want to be conquered" jorah replied "not conquered, liberated."

Season 1 she demands ships from the spice merchant saying “with fire and blood I will take it” (the Iron Throne).

Jon is not a disappointment. He’s the one character that stayed true to his morals. He never lost his moral compass even after he died. He always tried to do the right thing. He’s the true hero of the story and like great heroes, especially from the western genre or Moses, they save the town only to be expelled. I think he’s the greatest character of all. :)

Thank you! Even Ned Stark executed Gared without any trial. And she failed Everytime she listened to he wise small council.

It's definitely holding Dany to higher standards than everyone else. Plus her servants are with her by choice.

Agreed. Lots of selective quotes and omissions. Was Rob evil? Was Ned evil? Hell, was Bobby B evil? Also, where are the quotes from Dany that made it clear she would protect innocent people?

You’re missing the point. The point is that NONE of the people you mentioned should be an absolute ruler.

@@danielcarlen7283 Then what is Brann if not an absolute ruler? He will DIE the king, well, that's if the three-eyed raven could die. So he might be WORSE than a regular king.

And who also seem to think that THEY could write a better season because of their fanfic ratings.

I'm not sure of which song you are referring to. But you can checkout the Game of thrones season 8 soundtrack on RU-vid.

@@aminahmajied3373 thank you for your answer, I mean the one that starts right at 02:20. I am pretty familiar with the GoT soundtrack but that song I don't recognize

@@littlebluewolfie You're welcome I don't recognize it either.

The proble is the execution. Dany sacrificied her own army and claim to the throne to help fight against the dead 3 episodes ago. Im sorry, but a tyrant who burns innocent people doesnt risk to lose everything to save them all. She was cruel to her ennemies, yes. But so was everyone else. Jon executed a kid who was corruptrd by grown men. Arya fed frey his children. Everyone in power in got executed their ennemies and oftentimes are just as cruel. Danny turning full tyrant needed several seasons to fully flesh out. Even the mad king had years until he turned fully mad

I can't argue that the last season wasn't rushed because it absolutely was but she was talking about burning cities to the ground since almost the beginning of the show. Also it seemed clear to me she was developing a god complex from about season 3 or 4 on, clearly she could do no wrong for a while and everywhere she went she was the people's savior. She had never handled anybody questioning what she considered her birthright very well and she had known nothing but love from the people she thought she was helping until she got to westeros. I think once she saw how the people loved Jon snow more than her and for sure after she found out he had the birth right not her she made a decision to do what she did, let it be fear. I thought after she burned Kings landing she really liked it and decided to burn the whole world at that point. That's just my two cents. I'm really not surprised anything played out the way it did and I'm sure in the books her decent into madness will be much more articulated.

@@bigbrad6828 ah well yeah i agree. It made perfect sense for me that dany will turn out this way. But there was no instance where she used violence on innocent people before and suddenly she burns the whole city. I think danys turn to madness would have needed at least one more season to flesh out. Also show her inner struggle and the one of jon. I guess im just sad because a show that was once so chracater driven and had like one fight per season is now a carricature of all of this. Also i really hate how so many questions are left unanswered. And bran doesnt do anything with his abillities. I hope the books will explain most of my questions

Yeah I agree they could have done a better job with all of it. I think they just rushed through that last season to get it over with.

The ending makes perfect sense, the rushed build and delivery of it is what's confused.

@@superstrat5826 stop repeating that same tired old line, parrot. They destroyed the characters with this storyline. That ending would have been trash, regardless. Arya killing night king? Bran becoming king? Dany turning evil? Sansa becoming queen in the north? Its all shit and pointless.

@@jdogsful Add in Jon's parentage. The many talks about marriage between Jon and Daenerys since the last episode of season 7. Daenerys ability to be pregnant and her line of succession that has been talked about during the second half of season 7. The offscreen discussion between Tyrion and Cersei after he founds out that she is pregnant. All pointless. Jon's character and parentage are plot devices for the mad queen plot. Add in Missandei having no interaction with Dany who has talked plenty of times in private since season 3, so that they make Dany somehow isolated and used as a plot device for the mad queen plot this season. Also Davos, Jon's advisor, gives zero advice to Jon this season. We don't know how Jon feels about his parentage, same for his sisters. The new system of governance that they put in place does not end anything. Bran has no armies and no actual power. He is term limited. When the Ironborn rebel or raid, what can Bran do? When Bronn inevitably tries to take over Riverrun because Edmure is a bitch, what can Bran do? When Dorne decides to not pay taxes and becomes independant, what can Bran do? The lords of Westeros are not going to stop scheming because there is an omniscient cripple (who most of them had never met) sitting on the throne. Even worse, they created a system where any Lord can be elevated to King by playing the game of thrones well. Westeros could become even more political as players attempt to be the next person chosen for the throne. They just created possibly the worst system of governance imaginable for Westeros. They made a bigger and worse wheel than what they started out with. Guarantees civil wars for generations to come.

1) Drogon was under the control of Dany while she was alive. 2) Arya's line is cringe, I'll give you that. 3) Everyone on the show murdered, but not for equally noxious reasons. There is a lot of nuance in this show. Dany murdered because she felt entitled to rule an entire continent by conquest and without any indigenous support. 4) Because GOT is the anti-narrative. Remember when Ned was gonna join the Night's Watch, Renly was gonna make an alliance with Rob, Rob was gonna march on Casterly rock, Oberyn was gonna find out who gave the order after beating the Mountain, Joffrey was just getting started on terrorizing Tyrion... GRRM in GOT fizzles out narratives ON PURPOSE. It's not an accident. That's because narratives are a form of propaganda and GRRM wanted to challenge these tropes. Dany's journey and narrative is just one giant propaganda reel, she even accumulates titles as she goes along in the fashion of Idi Amin. 5) Well, yes, many women do go crazy with power because it is evident they have a chip on their shoulder the size of Texas and also imagine male power as this delicious free buffet they can just stuff their face in without any consequence whatsoever. Then they get surprised when things don't work that way and cry sexism. The only time male power is ever valued or regarded to be a positive thing is when it's in the service of others. If Dany were a blonde dude a lot of eyebrows would have arisen much sooner at his (her) treatment of things. 6) Well, don't pacifists, handicapped and people who aren't verbose or self-aggrandizing or as Tyrion would say 'cripples, bastards and broken things'... don't they also deserve a place in the fantasy genre? It's the one story where those in the shadows emerged on top. If you want dashing King Aragorn types, you can find that just about anywhere else. 7) It's obvious the Stark sisters are 'bitchy' because Dany's help comes with some huge strings attached. And Cersei doesn't have much to do because being good at intrigue and being good at ruling are two drastically different things. 7) Dany's death in the throne room could very well be one of the most memorable in the history of television. Jon making the choice to stab Dany is the culmination of the entire show.

I don't know why to have so much hatred for the stark...they were the most who suffered without any ambition...and Arya takes revenge from the people who killed her family at a marriage..and danarys killed thousands of innocent people and children:(maybe it was written badly but please don't blame the starks

Decent points Connor. Season 8 was character breaking done in a nonsense way to try to excuse emotional scenes that had little logic to them-and potentially ignore the moral decay of those Starks that remained (untrustworthy Sansafinger and possible scheming mass murderer Bran). Serb, I think I've seen you before but in case I didn't on some of your points. Third point) season 7 shows there is clear indigenous support-Dorn, Yara Greyjoy's faction, and The Reach support Daenerys before she even arrives in Westeros. The North may be independent but at the start of season 7 Sansa points out to Jon that Cersei is their mortal enemy and will try to kill them sooner or later. 4) Crazy women (including queens) and dragons burning towns are long running tropes. Plus the whole women getting to powerful and needing to be killed by their man is arguably a trope. 5) I call bs. If Dany were a man that wouldn't make her fight against slavery any less of a positive thing. Ditto for expanding rights for common people (turning Meereen into a democracy was a major expansion of rights). 6) There were actual pacifists in Game of Thrones. They were killed when the Hound wasn't there. Bran arguably is not a pacifist. He is someone with magic powers that used those powers to arrange the mass murder of innocents in order to get 2 people with a better claim to the crown out of his way. 7) What strings? Daenerys in season 7 offered to help Jon for free against the Night King because she saw just how dangerous he and his undead were. Jon gave up his crown for her for free after this because he saw she was worthy. Sansafinger (or Cersei light) rather stupidly betrays Jon and Dany because she is petty. No Dany means Jon and this army of the North are outnumbered by Cersei's army and both Jon and Sansafinger are likely to end up dead-making Sansafinger rather stupid when it comes to diplomacy and strategy. 8) I think you made a mistake with your numbering there. But more important is that a problem with Jon stabbing Dany is both their characters have to be really messed with to make that scene happen-plus a number of logic flaws have to be crammed into the plot.

@@akshitasinha4594 Sansafinger was actually pretty ambitious. She wanted to be a queen since season 1 and even lied about not knowing what Joffery had done to Arya and her friend in her attempts to keep her chance at it. Plus Sansafinger betrays an oath she made to Jon in less that a day in order to undermine a Jon's girlfriend who just risked her life honoring promises she made to Jon. Sansafingers actions were uncalled for and show her to be totally untrustworthy. But Bran is arguably worse because he used Dany's grief as a window of opportunity to mentally break her and kill many innocent people just so he could grab a crown that should've been with Jon or Dany. And the way Bran used Jon's linage to mess up Jon and Dany's relationship and then kept it hidden when the council was picking who should be king or queen shows Bran was using Jon's linage as a tool and throwing it away when it wasn't useful to Bran himself any longer.

Thank you for having an open mind. I wish you weren’t so alone.