Game of Thrones; Or The Pain Of Falling Out Of Love With A Story 

Personally, I'm all in for self contained stories. If it were up to me, that would be one of my solutions for the teleportation issues. Have a certain group of characters stick more or less to their locations and direct environment with them only having to travel a long distance once at max. It is one of the few things I liked about the 'Winterfell' scenario this season and the 'Sam at the Citadel' story.

Jon, Dany and Cersei get stab in the back the first stupid decision they make, leaving background characters to fend for themselves. Any character still willing to adapt to the ever changing circumstances escape to the Free Cities and Westeros is overtaken by the Others. Azor Ahai never comes because the legend was meant for a different time period.

I would essentially adapt the book as best I can. Sure, I would cut stuff out but i would also have longer seasons.

I'd have the entire world slowly decay, with constantly having tiny hopes of it getting well, which constantly gets diminished. The series ends with everyone dead, the world in snowy chaotic death, and a heroic last stand by.. like... well Jon snow or someone who's been there from the beginning. Sort of like the ending of the two towers, but there's no happy ending. So the catharsis of the entire series would be that all this lying, bickering and backstabbing ultimately will only lead to the end of humanity, leaving the most honest and truly strong as a last survivor destined to see the suffering of all other people. The best stories rarely end happily, so I'd be sad to see GoT doing so

Hey, Just Write uhm... Person. I wrote the following passage for an online forum some days ago. I'd really love to hear your thoughts on this: "Martin is good in creating a world, he is good in creating characters and he is good in writing single scenes. But he is bad as shit in telling a coherent story. In that respect he is not unlike Gene Roddenberry. There is one important rule when it comes to telling a story: Everything has to serve the plot. If I recall correct Hemingway phrased it somewhat like this: The quality of a story is measured by the amount of really good material that didn't make the cut. Martin doesn't write like this. It's pretty obvious that every time he gets stuck he just falls back on what he does well: He creates a new aspect of the world or a new character. But - kill me if you like - I'm pretty sure he himself had/has at best a vague idea how the story will go forward, how the story will end. And because of this all these new elements don't actually serve the story. This is what bites the show in the ass right now. That it had to become more positive had to be expected. It's a necessary consequence coming with the three arc structure. But that the writing itself is so fucking weak is not because of the weak writing now, it's because of the weak writing all over the years. There are tons of stuff with no purpose and the audience demands a resolution for every single one of these characters, arcs and things. This is what's fucking things up now... BTW, I bet this is why Littlefinger's end was so underwhelming in the show. They had simply nothing they could do with him anymore. During season seven they used him to have at least some sort of plot in Winterfell. Besides "Oh, what is Littlefinger doing now?" there is not really much going on there. But this is going to change in season eight and so they simply decided to kill him off now. He had no further use in terms of storytelling."

the series of Lost experience but it is worse

Season 9 EP5: Hold my coaster

Season 8: “Let me put my Starbucks coffee cup visibly on the table”

very clever! :D :D one more reason to hate Dany, she ruins lives AND shots!

You could honestly star this with Season five saying I'm the worst season, and then every season after it continously saying that, and do the same with episodes for season 8 as well :/

While getting a rim job from resurrected Stannis

Naw son more like a peppermint mocha frap

Totally agree👌

That is a good analogy lol

That sounds like the plot of Supernatural, now in its 200th season lol

@@chrispeaks7393 yet still better than GoT Season 8

@@chrispeaks7393 The show was supposed to end at season 4, and it's biggest mistake was trying to go on beyond that to milk the series for all of its soul. The characters die and get resurrected so many times that I can't believe anyone even cares anymore. It was already a longtime joke that Sam and Dean die so often and come back to life just as often, yet none of the fans who make that joke ever seem to understand that it destroys all tension and any possibility that we could get any truly final end to the characters. Because at this point, NOBODY will believe that this is the last time they die.

...holy shit. This is what happened. Literally.

the writing*

this dumb comment has already been posted 100 times.

@@Maplelust don't cry over stolen comments 😂

@@busta960 I already did.

@@Maplelust It's neither dumb or wrong though

It was.

😂😂😂😅😅😅 poor character arcs

Albert thought the same thing😂

@Ze TheGame i second that

I didn't but damn Season 8 is a doozy

You'll never get it.

At the rate George is going, he won't be the one writing the ending...

Just gotta hope he pulls it off then

Ryan Ofc he will, people just like being dicks on the internet.

The most over-rated author in literary history. Don't expect him to "save" anything.

@algogy S1 < S2 < S3 < S4 > S5 < S6 >> S7 >>>>> S8

@@Xanthas998 exactly

What was shit has become paradise

if you see the achivements of DBweiss before GoT you will find nothing. He was a total failure. and Benihoff had just small stuff. the only reason they did a good job is because they inherited money from their parents and had GRRM.

D&D aren’t GRRM. Simple. They don’t have the mind to create the kind of depth, intricacy and world building and complexity that they took from George. Varys was my favourite character, but for past several seasons, he’s been a mute on display for the sake of it. Utterly dissapointing. That’s only scratching the surface. While I’m sad to see the show end, I’m happy D&D will finally let go. Here’s to hoping the prequel show will be written by a dedicated, passionate writers room, and not two fanfic writers with zero experience in the kind of epic that GoT should have ended being.

@Salmon David Benioff is an incompetent hack writer. He is an arrogant fool who refuses to let any other writer help with his work and it's why he will be remembered as a failure. Also, he needs to lay off the sauce, apparently he has a drinking problem to boot.

@Salmon nuh, they just sucked for real, ruined so many great characters

*Varys

effennekappa shows you how early things began to fall apart for the series.

@@Sam-uw7pw I think most ppl already noticed it back then but were just too stubborn to admit it. I know I was. I noticed all of this before...hell I've noticed it even before that (Dorne storyline *wink, wink*) but I just disregarded it because I was seduced by the show from way back in season 1 and just refused to take off my rose-tinted glasses. Well it has been long and rude awakening, but with the s8ep3 I am now finally awake...

@@joekerr9197 I'm on the same boat as you. I was stubborn to admit it years ago.

@@joekerr9197 I noticed it, and have only suffered through season 7 and 8 because I need to see this sinking ship to the end. I know the captains are morons and the sinking is all on them, but I have been on this ship for too long and will bear witness to its literal demise.

Yeah , I saw this when it was uploaded and it suddenly popped up on my recommended. Hmmmmm

What were they thinking when they started making the show knowing they would have to finish without GRRM's books? They can't write for shit, look at their past "accomplishments". They should have waited until the books were finished. What was GRRM thinking when he allowed them to put his books to film knowing they would be coasting without his books and dreaming up their own stories and finale with his characters and reputation?

@@zangiefromanov2563 George said in interviews he gave them plenty of material and the books have like hundreds of pages or they literally could have just have Martin give outlines like what Akira toriyama did with dragon ball super.

GGRM is unable to finish his stories 🙍🙍🙍

Guess what. Season 8 literally premiered on April 14, the same day the Titanic struck the iceberg and began to sink. Holy shit.

It's more like the Titanic in that both GoT and the Titanic were engineered and (largely) made in Belfast, both of which sank because the man/men at the helm wanted to get to the end as fast as possible.

It's like they do it on purpose just to fuck with us. "Do you like that, Do you really love it? Does it bring you lots of pleasure? Yes? Well we're gonna gangrape it to death"

orbitalsummer man Lost was so god damn long I rewatched it 3 times and still never got to the ending

Lol Lost is used to be my major disappointment before GoT

The 100: Hold mine too.

HIMYM: Hold my blue French horn.

Mieka Jansen Out of all the comments that I have read for this video this is hands down the best.

And that Scooby doo episode

Such a shame, I was halfway through the movie and had no idea that was going to happen.

He ruined titanic for me... Looks like i can't ever finish it.

This comment wins. :)

Same here...

100% agree

Ash 5681 yep. Season 8 episode 2 was amazing. Episode 3 they threw all of Johns characters arc to the trash

@Salmon S8EP2 is the new low. Nothing can be worse than that.

@Salmon Why do we even have three more episodes left? When all they have to do is send Ayra to Kingslanding next episode, have her teleport there the same episode because apparently Ayra can do that now.

It's almost asif they should have stopped adapting books whe the books ran out. :-P

Well the final book is about season 5... as far as I’m concerned, season 6 was LIT AF

George said there were resources that could atleast last 10 seasons..

@@iblamelance5350 Actually not quite...yes there are, as of now, 5 out of 7 books released, but quite a lot of content was cut, which was why George had said there was enough for at least 10, 13 seasons. In particular, AFFC and ADWD, though material from the earlier books was also cut. I've just started reading the books, but I've heard, in the case of AFFC or ADWD (don't remember the specific one this was attributed to), basically a whopping half of the book just wasn't adapted.

They didn't run out of source material

Gabriel Garotti very disappointed ☹️ but we have to finish what we started. Hope the books would be great 👍🏾

The books will be so much better so I guess we still have that to look forward to...

Maybe the show gets a reboot in 15 years.

@@kingjoffrey3732 I'm honestly hoping for an animated adaptation that can cover everything in the books. There was so much the show left out for budget reasons.

@@telltellyn Yeah, that's sounds even better because the wait wouldn't be too long. What kind of animation aestetic do you have in mind? Like Family Guy, South Park or an anime? :D

this

For one season. Let's see what 8 brings us. Could have just been a down season. You guys need to relax. One season doesn't cancel out 6 good ones

@@Edd-zd5wb That's where the story is headed anyway. It's been heading this way since the first season. Sorry if people don't like it but it's not a never-ending story. The books will head this way too. The fact that people are suprised by this is more shocking than season 7 being rushed. Yeah it sucks tbe political games and in fighting is not around as much, but all things come to and end to reach the true end. Everyone will see this when the next book comes out. The difference is the books have a million pages to fit things inbetween. A show does not. That's what people refuse to understand. You can fill a show with these things leading to an end, but you can't keep inserting them at the big end. This show had 6 amazing to very good seasons. As I said, one rushed season 7 doesn't cancel that out nor does it mean 8 will suck.

@@Edd-zd5wb Season 7 was rushed. Hands down. They knew it too and went ahead anyway. No excuse. I don't think they realized just how bad until it was on screen though. And I think they'll learn from it. So I'm not giving them a pass there but I think they toll 2 years for season 8 for reason. To get it right after what they did with 7. Whats pissing me off is people saying it's been shit since GRRM left. Or that the show has turned into shit. One frigging season doesn't turn a show into crap. I can't stand that stuff about how it's turned into fan fiction or Marval. Which is hilarious btw considering the worst of GOT is written better than a Marval movie. Or how about how D&D can't write and are clowns? Oh really? So seasons 1-6 were just shit then? People do realize they had to adapt the books right? And they do realize how hard that is and that these guys knocked it out of the park. I mean the show is amazing from top to bottom. Never been anything like it. And people call them morons. These fans come off like fucking spoiled brats or entitled morons who think they're smarter than they are. These guy adapted the first 4 seasons brilliantly. They also added and wrote the hound chicken scene. The Arya cup bearer scenes. Hardhome played out in screen. And changed other things for the better. Then they did season 5, which is very dark and underrated minus Dorne, and season 6 which imo is one of the best seasons. They knew the direction they were going that season and crushed it. Were they perfect? No, but no one is nor is going to be with a show of this magnitude. All I think is how silly this show could have been in someone else's hands. I mean it could have been absolutely terrible. And meanwhile we get something close to a masterpiece and people say it went to shit because of one rushed season and call the runners morons It gets old man. Really fast. I mean here is a video talking about it. How bad it is. Like wtf? One season does not cancel out 6 previous ones. Nor does it mean the show has become anything. Season 8 could be absolutely brilliant and make everyone forget about season 7. Will that still mean the show has become fan fiction? Nope. People will call it a transition season or something. Just annoying. BTW, the story is headed this way as anyway. I've said before and everyone will realize that when the book comes out. I'm sure they'll make an excuse for GRRM though. Who has also written some shit at times btw. The show was never going to be the same after all the deaths. It was never going to be the same once it got serious about the White Walkers. And the books won't be either. The difference is GRRM takes frigging decades to write his books, and they're books, and these guys have a year to do it and it's a show. Like to the people complaining about it turning to everyone vs the Walkers, where have you been for the previous 6 seasons prior to 7? They've been hinting at it since season 1. The story can't go on forever. Don't take it out on the show because you're pissed that it's ending.

@@Edd-zd5wb Yes it is. At least you seem to have a good head on your shoulders. Hard to even talk to anyone online. Morons and haters everywhere

u ordered the steak at a vegan bar and got a salad lol! Paradigm shift buddy.

@Hollow Shell No you are just too hollow and empty to understand.

Just pretend that the salad is a steak. There that fixed it.

@Hollow Shell Well let's take it point by point shall we? Anything against Christianity is great, anything against the patriarchy is amazing and anything against wester culture is wonderful. If somebody jumps to its defence they are somehow disgusting and deserving of ridicule as they are not deserving of a defence against the corrosive forces eroding them away.

That the Jews they are always the victims

Movie Trialers last good season was 5

Season 1 to 4 was great, 5 and 6 were mix of good and bad, season 7 was terrible but season 8 is just the absolute shitshow. With the exception of stannis, I do not remember character assassination like with daenerys, while others would be dumb in previous seasons, they were not that dumb like in season 8. While they were some nonsensical shit, they were nowhere near as much as in season 8.

I still had hope they could tie it together. Yeah it stopped being amazingly good, but I was like "Maybe theres something I'm missing. Maybe I just forgot an important piece" And then you realize nope, it's just dumb.

Minnie Mouse or maybe it's just because it's kind of harder to wrap up the several story lines and characters thrown on them by GRRM(who clearly had no end sight for all of them) as the series reaches its climax. Why do you think GRRM is taking so long to finish W.O.W?

+John Smith This would be relevant if the story in the show wasn't an extremely dumbed down version of the book. The show has nowhere near as much complexities and story threads as the book. So they don't have the same excuse that GRRM has. This is an issue of Dan and David being bad writers.

John Doe I guess we'll have to wait and see. If GRRM had some master plan on how to finish, for example, Littlefinger's story, I think he would have told D and D rather than let them dispatch the character in the way they did. A lot of the bad writing mistakes will probably pop up in the books as well. Obviously Martin's won't be as bad since he created the story and has had a general idea of how things would pan out in his head since the start, but I think it's unfair to blame everything on D and D

+John Smith The problem with that is that the show adapted some things in its own ways by changing up what characters are doing and where they are. This turns into a butterfly effect where after a couple of seasons of all these changes and divergences, the characters in the book and the characters in the show have such vastly different arcs that the storyline of one can't be adapted into the other anymore. I mean this especially for supporting/minor characters like Littlefinger. The only real thing that I can see GRRM being able to give them is a general path from point A to point B with general paths for main characters like Jon/Dany/Tyrion with D&D then figuring out the journey. And honestly, this isn't as bad as it sounds considering the show is significantly less layered in complexities than the books, which would mean that writing that journey would be easier. What makes me think D&D are bad writers is how God awful and nonsensical they managed to make that journey. I didn't expect a masterpiece story, not because of D&D, but because it's an adaptation from book to tv. But what I did expect was for the show to keep its standards. I expected characters to act in a way that makes sense and I expected the general realism present in the earlier seasons to also remain. Which is why I think D&D are garbage writers. They failed on all those fronts. It's like they're completely ignorant of what made Game of Thrones so successful.

In the behind the scenes of the awful episode s07e06 there is a moment when some of the D's says: 'We always wanted to make a zombie bear. Oh my god how cool that would be. But every season we couldn't because our budget wasn't big enough. And now we were finally able to do THE ZOMBIE BEAR'. Which clearly shows how much they care about doing things that 'look cool' on the screen. Imo that's exactly the reason why the story is so daft in the last few seasons. They are focusing on 'doing cool stuff on the screen' instead of writing a complex and clever story. And for me - action scenes are not the reason I loved the GoT. It's the mindgames and cleverness. A whole lot of moral dilemmas, complexity of 'the right choice' and others. The deconstruction of the most common fantasy tropes. And what do we have now? The most common fantasy tropes. Yay.

Yeah, the convenience is really unflattering. GoT prided itself on killing characters who made the wrong steps, now it's just about piss-takes and fake-deaths and "gotcha!" moments.

Agreed.

that explains the entire dornish storyline they were fans of Indira Varma and made the whole plot revolve around her and got rid of Arianne Martell and everything interesting and we were left with "bad pussy"

Similarly, they liked Stephen Dillane's "f**k the world" face, so they changed his storyline to put him in as many situations as they could where he'd be disappointed and show this off. Dillane even said in an interview that he had no idea why his character did the things he did. Benioff and Weiss don't seem to think about things in terms of in-world motivations and consequences; They only think "I want to feature this actor more" and "wouldn't it be crazy if ___ happened!"

Aishyo Joy "Hiss with me Sisters!"

I couldn't say it better! They totally forgot the characters. 😐

That's EXACTLY how I felt. It was surreal to watch one of my favorite characters die and feel nothing because I was straight up incapable of suspending my disbelief and not just see two actors

Thats AFTER, AFTERRRRR, HBO asked Dumbshit and Derpfuck to make 2 10 episode seasons to wrap things up

uwotm8 Jon did get raised from the dead, hardly going to resurrect him just to kill him off again, regardless of the fact that he is dumb and puts himself at risk constantly. After all it is a fantasy world where destiny and prophecies are taken seriously- plot armour for characters like Jon shouldn't be taken off to make it more real for viewers like yourself

John Smith - That "No Plot Armour" is a large part of what made the first 4-5 seasons so exciting for many viewers. If a character behaved stupidly, they usually paid the price. Since Jon's resurrection he has CONSTANTLY been doing stupid things and living to tell the tale.

Yup. At this point there aren't a lot of characters I'm worried about. I could see them killing Brienne, the hound, tormund and a few other minor guys, but I feel like Jon, Dany, Tyrion, the stark kids, and heck even Jaime are super safe. Oh and I guess Theon is too because he's becoming a noble hero. Like we're just supposed to forget that he ruined Winterfell and slaughtered innocent kids to make his people like him.

I am still convinced that Arya kills Jon in the end. There is quite a bit of book proof of this. In the show, I don't know.

+Amin Esmailzadeh What you describe is not plot armor. That's GRRM creating false protagonists. Those characters still paid for their stupidity, or lack of experience. In fact, what you describe is the *opposite* of plot armor.

Cersei bombed the equivalent of the vatican and killed the queen and several nobles, and no one even cared. We never got to see what Margaery was planning or what the High Sparrow really wanted. The writing has gotten so lazy.

@@fjall7713 Plenty of people care. The leader and majority of the solders of the faith were killed. And her grandmother attempted to fight against her. The rest of the city switches their allegences like they switch shoes. This is nothing new. They're scared and the rest probably fucking hate her. I agree season 7 was rushed but crying about it as if it cancels out 6 other very good seasons is absolutely ridiculous. As if it's a trend.

Don't forget they told us through 4 seasons that the allience with the Tyrells was necessary to keep Joffrey's and later Tommen's asses on the throne. Looks like Lannisters can do pretty well without them, so i guess Tywin was wrong the whole time! Also, The War Of Five Kings started litteraly because there was a rummor about Joffrey's legitimacy. Now Cersei is sitting on the Iron Throne without any rights, after she did massive genocide, and no one cares? It's not that outrageous like destroying certain characters before killing them, but it's by far one of the biggest plot holes, and it pisses me off that so little people seem to notice it.

Meh. That would be very low on my list of problems with season 7. In the books if House Tyrell goes down it'll be a lot more complex, but I don't think it's half as illogical as the beyond-the-wall or Winterfell plotlines, and it doesn't really undermine any characters like their nonsensical plans. The scene with Olenna and Jaime was one of my favorite this season.

I so agree. If anything, the show wants us to feel bad for the Tarlys, who sided with Cersei despite the fact she killed all House Tyrrell in a horrific way.

you mean like bran.

I would have enjoyed watching the wildlings spit roasting that piggy around a campfire a few seasons back.

Zangief Romanov I’m not gonna lie that made me not able to go to sleep for twelve hours.

Of course, he had no battle experience! If Sam died, I would be sad, but at least was more realistic.

Underrated comment😂😂

Kate Winslet dies at the end

Thanos snaps half of the titanics population,no wonder why there were so few surivors

J.K.Rowling revealed that Titanic and Iceberg had an incredibly intense sexual relationship Spoiler: the penetration was too deep

@@heamees4822 haha lol best one

Don't insult Dark Knight like that. it's offensive

Mind backing that up with some constructive criticism?

Way worse than an average hollywood movie. It was just like a mexican soap opera in a high-fantasy and high budget setting.

Exactly... it's the only season that felt this way in my opinion so they might be able to make a comeback in the final season... but I doubt it due to the TERRBILE decisions they made in season 7 and the fact that season 8 is also a short season.

Even worse, GOT was always fucking DESTROYING epic fantasy's conventions, but now... God damn it, this is sad.

@Samurai Jack Most of us are probably in the no camp.

I knew the show was doomed, as soon as Stannis' storyline started going down the tube.

Steel*Faith his story also had premature ending with pretty much no consequences. I suppose that might be the moment everything rolled down the hill.

@@BBlueu2 everyone will miss that little mannis

Battle for winterfell was the best episode yet.

Upon reading that Great name my knee immidietly bent down with almost supernatural force

To be fair, Dorne was awful in the books, too.

Some random guy on RU-vid clearly not read those books properly if you think the Dorne plot "was" shit. It's getting better and better and was implied it's already over. D&D's handling of it was an unforgivable travesty

Luke Wilkins Because reading about the inbred lannister girl in a desert is interesting

The Dorne story is just getting started so it's way too early to judge it, the fact that two of the leaked chapters are from Arianne clearly show the plot is gaining momentum and focus. The fact you're just summarising her growing importance to the plot as some inbred lannister girl implies you're missing the point of her chapters

Luke Wilkins I skipped them entirely lol, just talk shite about them any opportunity I have

Eliphas_CatDaddy Exactly how I'm choosing to see this. There were a few great moments but 7 and 8 are not canon.

Yes, 7 & 8 are (largely) terrible. Much fan fiction I've seen in advance is much better written.

"everyone" is a strong word its still a vocal minority. Plus sure its not as amazing anymore but its still the best show by a mile. Also a lot of people with their complaints seem to not understand that its wrapping up. An example of that is when they complain about it being predictable. A lot of that is a good thing it means its paying off stuff instead of pulling trash out of left field that had no lead up just to get reactions.

Neoshenlong Archivo 2008 - 2011 I don't know if he can avoid the same mistakes. I'm always forced to draw parallels between King's "Dark Tower" series and ASOIF. A strong start which turns into a bloated meandering world building journey that is finally completed because he must, but without having given the story any real thought. Maybe if the authors thought more about how they wanted to end the story and how to write it, they wouldn't struggle so much completing their masterpieces.

cooper cody: By everyone I didn't mean that everyone was complaining, I meant that seeing what D&D are doing with the story allows George to see how everyne reacts, be it a good or a bad reaction, and learn from said reactions. That includes what they liked, what they didn't like, etc.

James Estrada Well we've known for a while that the story of ASOIAF was already decided, as George R.R. Martin famously told a couple of persons he trusts how it all wraps up in case he dies before finishing the books. So in this case is more about the in-between, not where they arrive but how they get there.

I really don't see this as something like The Dark Tower, I actually see the Dark Tower as the polar opposite of ASoIaF. King managed to give deep meaning and connections to every event in all seven books, leading to a very satisfying ending with not that much effort, specially because after coming back with Wolves of Calla he just let the story flow, with the very good 3 books in 2 years rhythm. I fear that unless Martin decides to let the story happen instead of spending hundreds of pages on events and characters that he later kills leaving no development to the world or story whatsoever, ASoIaF won't be able to do what the Dark Tower did. For example, as much time as was spent developing the life of the servants of the King, I was never satisfied in Dark Tower, because it never felt overexplained and kept you curious for more; on the other hand, we have the atrocious Brienne chapters that slog through hundreds of pages, just to end with nothing ever being achieved, all those chapters serving only the purpose of giving us some three or four descriptions of how people feel about the war and some eighty descriptions of different meals they had along the way. You could cut it down to her leaving with Pod, then being taken by Stoneheart and it would have achieved the exact same story purpose.

Isn't the fifth book not good?

@@spencermalley10 Some people really hate book 4 and 5 because they aren't as fast paced and each only has half the main characters (they're basically two halves of one giant novel). But they're incredible books which are definitely more loved than hated, and they'll be appreciated much more once all their set ups are paid off in the next two books (assuming they come out). Much like the book 1 and 2, there's a lot of set up for the future.

@@spencermalley10 Sure, if you jump on the bandwagon.

ikr. The one that killed me was the Disappearing Script App. You gotta know the actors and the vfx teams are world class to keep things somewhat watchable despite Dumb and Dumbr's ridiculous contrivances. I'm surprised and thoroughly impressed that the actors were able to do their job at all. Kudos to them for almost pulling it off. (Except for Kit. He got his fancy little lordlet knickers in a bunch and was a total dick about defending THING 1 and THING 2 against their well earned criticism. He can go fuck himself, too :P)

@@XenaBe25 He could be in denial, I sympathize for him having to go to rehab now.

@@pplr1 Erm… he's at a hoity toity $100 000/month spa. Ofc, some ppl say he's in there for drinking but w/e. I have no sympathy for *rich drunks,* either. I'd take his so-called 'stress' over mine, anytime. At least he's well paid for w/e it is that he thinks is 'stressful'

What if the rendering we got was one of the date endings they filmed? Fingers crossed

derp ish Amateur writers? Bwahahaha. Thanks needed that

derp ish true this

Yeah, I'd like to see examples too. Just list a few.

Let's see any one of those vaguely sketched story arcs make it through a room of other writers, much less network notes, and, you know, the million other things between writing a comment and producing 70+ hours of television drama that, by the way, means you're responsible for about $100 million every year that demands return on investment.

So...it's hard therefore it can't be done right or better?

This was one of if not the most disappointing episode in terms of writing. God! None of the clever writing/storytelling of the first few seasons I fell in love with.

There will always be people who dislike the show, not a surprise.

@@natrix9651 The show is pretty much meme worthy at this point, relying entirely upon production value and no clever writing

@@natrix9651 cause its laughably bad rn, the only ones liking it are the people that gives 0 fucks to plot and just want to see flashy cgi and cringy romance, its worse than fanfiction

Maybe for a contemplation, as suggested by the video

@Beverly Mandahl The point is that females should not be shown as being vulnerable all the time in tv shows and movies.

When the S7 leaks happened, I thought for sure D&D were trolling the audience with dummy scripts, because there's no way the writing for such an epic show could be so bad. Turns out the joke was on me.

The episodes now are sad. Like actually sad it gets me mad how bad it is

@@cassanopiano5332 Have you seen the spoilers for the next two episodes? It gets worse. Much worse.

VegasGirl35 I haven’t is it really that bad ? I expected it to get worse n worse but after last episode I wasn’t sure it possibly can, like the whole thing was just terrible

VegasGirl35 and the night king storyline destroyed just gets me so pissed. I honestly plan on finishing at season 5 or 6 and then creating my own ending until George finishes the books. Even then though it gets me so annoyed bc I loved this show so much and there’s nothing like seeing a show bc of the music and everything. The show always drew so much emotion out of me and now I don’t even care what happens

'cos Jon is a dick HAHHAAHAHAAHAA luv of mi life

How did you get your hands on D&D's actual script?!

That episode made no sense. Even if we accept that her dragon can fly so quickly that it could get to the wall and find them in time (which is an incredible stretch), how in the world did the RAVEN that Gendry sent get to dragonstone island in enough time? Ravens aren't phones! It's not an instant message!

I think Gendry just ran THAT fast. After all, he did leave his massive hammer for that purpose. It all adds up, I'm a scientist.

This could have been solved so easily by having one of the nameless expendable Brothers just be in trouble a bit away from the group. Now it looks like Jon just wanted to up his K/D ratio some more...

>Rhaegar and Lyanna trying to sire the prince that was promised >Ned and Catelyn: 'Hold our wine noobs'

S8ep3: IM A BAD BITCH S8ep4: HOLD MY DRINK

Episode 4 just toped the list of bad episodes. Guess we got another case of expectations being subverted - nobody expected episode 4 to be as bad but writers had an ace up their sleeve to dissapoint viewers.

@@MALIK-sx2qq Hold my Starbucks.

@@venkyratnam you're so fuckin dramatic stfu

Doesn't matter when George eventually finishes his work people still complain that's just how it is now

@Salmon Yeah but the whole white walker stuff is being hyped to be the most important thing. Sure as fuck wouldn´t be Arya materializing out of oxygen to stab the entire series plot in the gut.

Thanks for telling us you read the books now I know you’re really smart and have a big dick

LF's death makes perfect sense. He finally calculated incorrectly and it got him.

He was arguably the single most important character in the show, and he got one of the dumbest and most anti-climactic deaths in the series.

Unfortunately I've been salty about most of this season never been so fucking disappointed

His death was always going to be anti-climactic. Nothing else would've made sense for him. Also, I don't remember him being dumbed down in the show at all. He miscalculated due to not knowing the full extent of Brandon's superpowers and paid the price.

Yes to all of this

Doryun it’s because they killed off everyone else. They can’t get away with casual murder anymore or the audience will have no characters to care about, lol

This is exactly how I feel and my only real gripe about the show's direction. I felt zero tension the entire season because I knew everyone would be totally fine. I knew that they weren't going to kill off Jon Snow by having him drown in a fucking lake one season before the series ends so I just didn't care about anything that was happening in that situation. They've reached Marvel level of tension and danger. 75 undead dragons could dive out of the sky at Danny and I wouldn't hesitate to go take a piss because I know she's going to magically be fine somehow

A lot of that is true of the Books. Once i figured who Jon was I knew he wouldn't die. Danearys had so much plot armour it was visible from space. I got 3/4s of the way through Storm of Swords and gave up. I may read it all once GRR finally finishes the books but until then... On Littlefinger, I thought he had to die. Events were out of his control, he was to compromised, so if he didn't get it by then it would have been stupid.

Lack of consequence doesn't equal shock value, Daenery's doesn't need to die as long as she doesn't go full mad queen, she's been evolving accordingly to her situation: Sold for an army? she creates a title for herself and takes the army to get her kingdom back! As for Jon I do agree he's been given a few passes, the fact that he can't lie because he's just that moral would get him killed in the previous seasons no doubt, it's why Ned and Rob died, their code is meaningless in the game of thrones and they've been braking this rule with Jon a lot. anyways, long story short, Jon deserves to die.

TheBossBros73 night king*

Ep5 I'm the worst episode in Television history. Ep6 While you're holding my beer give me a nice rim job.

This show feels like when your awesome DM has something come up, but Nick says he can DM and play his character too, and then the whole campaign goes to shit in less than 3 hours.

I really feel what your saying, I pretty much feel the same BUT I think what alot of fans seem to forget about this season and the upcoming one is that there are no more dialogs, no more politics, its just about the war against the night king and cercie. i do think that they could have done it way better but, the moment that they killed off littlefinger, im sure we all knew that from now on everything is different. I really hope they will do stuff a bit different in the 8th season. but yeah to me GOT is still the best show ever created, ive never seen a single show that makes so much people exited. it became a culture.

Don't forget Tywin Lanister. Constantly doing evil at first sight, but for totally rational reasons when you dig deep. It took his death for me to realize it.

halneufmille yep, honestly miss having him as a character on the show

Almost all the best dialogues or epic lines from previous seasons came from books

Tyrion's lines are so bad OMG I've started to hate his character

Ahh shit, that is what I was feeling but hoped I was wrong.

Hahaha time traveling bastard. I'm on your side.

Rebekah M lack of consequences are insane. The Iron Islands are doing...what right now? Yara is a prisoner, Theon is technically nowhere near them and Euron is a crazy uncle who doesn't want independence but wants to ally himself with Cersei and just left to another continent without warning. What even is going there? Dorne is even worse. The Sand Snakes and Elia killed the crowned prince, his heir, and a princess meant to marry the heir, then declared themselves rulers without a peep from the common people and are now all either dead, imprisoned, or dying. WHO THE HELL IS RUNNING DORNE RIGHT NOW? What's going on with them?!

plus Cersei's had a wight next to her since qyburn made franken-mountain. they were basically saying "look! theres more of your bodyguard, but they eat ppl"

CreepyPasta Al Dente I cannot believe that Tyrion hatched a plan that relied on Cersei Lannister being a reasonable human being, despite 6 seasons of evidence to the contrary. Did anyone in the audience actually think for a second that Cersei would cease hostilities and help? And why the hell are we expected to buy that Tyrion, the brother she tried to murder, would think that's something she would do???

mme.lolabelle That annoyed me as well. Tyrion knows Cersei better than anyone, including Jaime. He should have been opposing that plan, not suggesting it.

Rebekah M yeah we are past the books so the writers do not have the balls to kill of characters. they follow typical movie cliches with no regard to logic. they are replacing important exposition scenes and dialog for more epic dragon scenes so the average bandwagon viewer can be satisfied. its like a good film which strengths doesnt come from action but instead from dialog and the inner conflict turns into transformers. sad to see but im way to invested in this world to not see it through the end.

"Well, well. If it isn't our friend... Lord Baelish."

I surmise the people in the freezing waters grasping or any hope of salvation are the remaining audience off the show.

As much as I agree with the author of this video, the popularity of the show only increased this season. Each episode setting viewing records. I don't see this popularity waning the final season.

Yun Kang It's not bad enough to stop watching. The audience is so invested now, they want to know the end. I didn't really love this season, but I still watched it. And I sure as hell will still watch the last season, even if it is a train wreck

PoisonTheOgres At least it's NOWHERE near as lost as 'Lost' became near the end. And then they still f***ed the viewers by lying and saying the island wasn't purgatory, and IT WAS. I'm still gonna spit in JJ Abrams hair when I see him over that.

Trust me, you're fine. Back in Season 5 when the show started going downhill, I started going into head-spinning bouts of depression and anxiety over the loss of my favorite franchise EVER that lasted for *years*. Like, I'm not exaggerating, it lasted for years, until I started actively hating the show during Season 7. Sounds psycho, but that's how much I used to love GoT lol.

Episode 5: Hold my Starbucks cup

Episode 6. Hold my bran is the king.

Game of Thrones felt like a meme to me. Pure fan service with no risks taken AT ALL. How convenient to kill ALL the Freys in one go, I'll admit it was a great scene, but really you expect us to believe they were all there at the same time? Not to mention when Davos meets Gendry "So you're done rowing I suppose?" or something like that... oh my R'hollor...

Scott Meyer I'm not angry. I was furious but now, I'm just indifferent which honestly hurts more. Because I just don't care anymore, the story has been butchered beyond repair.

Scott Meyer They basically fell victim to the "Common TV show formula" that involves having epic scenes and dialogue for no reason other than to be cool. Instead of the complex stories and reasonings the characters had before, it has become a show of shock value and explosions. I think the main issue that led to this mess is that, instead of continuing to be a show driven by characters and their motivations, it became a show about the "plot" if that makes sense. So the characters now are nothing more than plot devices essentially instead of people. Just look at the poor development of characters like Stannis, Daenerys and even Arya in the past few seasons.

Roxanne Anders I agree with you as far as your point goes, but if plot is their obsession, you'd have to ask why the Season 7 plot was so transparently crap.

Varamyr Z Just because they rather focus on plot doesn't mean their plot has to be good. It just means that they are now only focusing on that and will do anything to rush to the point they want since they no longer have character focused stories. It is all cause and effect. They are no longer taking their time with anything since they no longer know their characters' motivations and where they should end up. They are out of book content and they don't know how to handle all the characters and their stories anymore so they are mostly just going off of whatever GRRM told them the ending would be and the rest they are making up as they go. And clearly they rather focus on the plot (fighting night walkers, who gets the iron throne, etc.) than on the characters, who in previous seasons WERE the plot (since back then due to the characters' complexities and different goals/journeys, we never knew where things would lead upto).

That's because the books are great and the show became absolute shit once it started deviating from the source material.

Disagree. Season 4 is the best season.

@@hanburgundy4317 no

I started binge watching GoT after season 3 wrapped. Ned’s death made me realize this was a very different kind of show. After the Red Wedding, I immediately made the decision to read the books. If the show was this good, imagine what I was missing there. It is difficult to see what has become of the show this season. Oddly the effect is multiplied due to the fact that Endgame, in 3 hours, gave a master class on how to properly wrap up 10 years of storytelling.

Garrett Baratheon EXACTLY

*If the start of the show had the writing from this season, do you really think it would've made it this big? No one would fucking know what Game of Thrones is* The people reading the books (the ACTUAL material) would. It IS a bestseller after all.

Many of them did...it's subjective.

Ackshually that imaginary show would be The Room: a TV Show. It would probably be a well known meme by now and everybody (except the studio's money) would be happy about it

All three sound... obvious in retrospect. I actually don't understand why they didn't go somewhat in this direction. Maybe not with the capturing of Jamie, because Daenerys would want to kill him (she doesn't like prisoners apparently). Although this could play with the fact that Tyrion would rally against it a lot, maybe losing faith in his Queen or something like "if you kill him, you have to kill me too". Dunno, number 3 sounds way more logical as well.

I could have forgiven all of those if they had killed Tyrion. No matter how charismatic the actor is, the character has been pretty much useless since season 2.

@johnie102 Yes, she may want to kill him but they already introduced the possibility that Tyrion is going soft on his own family so they should at least take that Tyrion/Dany conflict to its logical conclusion. In this case Tyrion would be right that Jamie is too valuable to kill, but Dany would also be right to question his motives. Either way I feel they could have done something interesting with it.

@tbird81 Thanks! I had this whole section on Littlefinger that I'm probably going to have to cut because the video was already way too long -- but the short version is that I agree with what you're saying haha...

@Ce Ilhuicamina Absolutely, though I still enjoyed Tyrion a whole lot up to and including his trial. I feel there's a lot more you could be doing with him, and instead he's just kinda put into the role of telling Dany to do whatever it is she does not want.

I think he does know what's coming long before everyone else.

Yeah, more like unfortunate that you didn't recognize that 6 and 7 were bad.

@@maulcs We were hopeful they were going somewhere good when actually they were beginning their death spiral.

He knew exactly what was coming. He was already resigned to it. He says it right in the freaking video.

Yes, and me and my whole family were able to predict it since Season 5, since Jon died. Still it didn't even progress slowly throughout Season 7, it was just Jon and Dany handling business while everyone around her kept saying how Jon was staring at her, and literally mentioning that Jon was looking at her breasts. It was just so fucking stupid how they fell in love, Jon was infatuated which i can understand, but Dany just... Idk she just liked him lol, made no sense.

What this guy said

yet grrm told them this is what he wants. the season was delayed 3 months and filming started 2 months earlier, you guys are clown, the season was breathtakingly good.

mazz baz maybe.... he was wrong, oh wait, better yet, he could do it better. It doesn’t matter if that’s ‘what he wanted’ it was still executed like shit.

Breathtakingly good? You must be a smoker!

What does it even mean? If anything,season 7 was not similar to its predecessors at all and that's what bother people. There is no familiarity in that.

I completely agree, but sadly I don't see it getting better. You can immediately see the transition when they run out of source material. The farther away from GRRs work they get, the worse it gets. All the cliche's, the lazy manufactured drama, the out of character actions (ie. plot driven as opposed to character driven), immediately popped out of the wood work. I swear they have some sort of 'lazy screenwriter class' that every Hollywood screen writer is force to take, because they all seem to do the same boring crap. I think the most obvious, and depressing part, was watching what they did to the clever/smart characters like Tyrion, Varas, or Baelish. In previous seasons (in particular 1-4) They had long interesting talks, constantly testing and probing each other, with layers, competing with each other in words. It was amazing, and so different and refreshing. Its completely lost. Tyrion's dialog is now laughably bad, Varas has all but disappeared from the show getting less screen time than most extras, and Baelish killed off without even an explanation or hint to his larger plan. From the beginning his plan was to somehow win the Iron Throne (remember the absolutely awesome 'chaos is a ladder speech'), and after 7 seasons we don't even get a conclusion, just 'sorry you're dead now'. Are you kidding me!!??

Katherine Elliott You REALLY nailed it!!

Absolutely spot on! Varys and Baylish were two of THE most fascinating characters in the story! During the last two seasons they were ignored almost completely in favor of splashy CGI intended to attract "fans" who could give a shit about a coherent plot and character continuation.

It was a soap opera and forgot that the power of soap is characterisation and not plot.

@Drizzy - Nah that's not what he meant. He said that he hoped that unlike Ned this would keep Jon alive. Ned didn't die because he fought honourably in hand to hand combat.

​@korrok Did you miss that part when Jon lied to Ygritte and the Wildlings to protect the realm? When you're unable to lie to evil people to save the entire world from becoming zombies then you're just stupid, not honorable.

Hi where did you watched that?

@korrok But this is the essence of GoT. The world is not black and white, and it's certainly not decent, honest or honourable. That is one of the key themes in GRRM's writings (which are loosely based off REAL medieval history).

Yea GRRM really should've told the producers of the show how the characters arcs should go.

If you're interested in an alternate ending: ru-vid.com

fuck ur "obligation'. just stop watching it

gf gf by the time next season comes out my level of intrest will drop so low that i probably wont.

That's how how i felt last season. Cersei just solving all her problems by killing everyone, even her son commits suicide becouse the writers don't know what to do with him. Arya just showing up out of the blue and easely kills the Freys, just to end another storyline quickly. I don't even know what the people of Dorne are thinking. I haven't watched the recent season yet becouse of this. All these easy kills, just to wrap up storylines. It's too obvious, you can always tell when the writers don't know what to do with the characters and just kills them off.

I completly agree.

I cringed so much after watching all those shite and i regreted it. Arya goes toe to toe with Brienne, Dany made some cliche speech to impress Jon. Varys and LF are 2 biggest major players and with their masterminds, 1 is killed off and 1 became a submissive servant ... The conversation has no depth and full of obvious contents, intellectual characters technically doing nothing. Now the show has basically turned into some kind of cheap chinese sitcom write their plots on for dumb watchers to satisfy their needs for action, good guys vs bad guys cliches. Total disaster

DirtyDinner24 when did he say it? I wish Martin says: this show is shit now out loud

Rebirth is an essential element of the plot. Martin said it himself. Take it up with him. I guarantee effects of Jon's rebirth on his own person and the realm will later be another essential element of the plot in the books. The show will probably ignore this theme, therefore cheapening things like you said.

This is just bullshit, George left because he had to finish his god damn books you all think are so flawless.

It started going to shit with season 5, by far the worst season of the show.

Jaime Lannister omg, where is this??

They might as well animate a new series. No worries about actors and logistics or huge budgets. And you can be as faithful as you want.

To be honest i thought season 5 and 6 was pretty good

oisin sammon Same

Season 5 and 6 were pretty solid and still better than most of the other tv shows . It needs a reboot from ep 2 of S8

welp, i can confidently say that S8E4 was the worst episode of the season... with S8E3 being second worst of course

I think he meant fan fiction by relating to peoples fantasy like the show was a really visceral watch and was popular for the fans so its fan fiction, if that makes sense

@@mudskipper9312 Season 7 and 8 are fan fiction of the worse kind. Can you honestly imagine Martin writing that Dragon riding scene, or the fireside scene.

@@gatsbygoodwood2575 More and more - I'm seeing this theory of the REAL reason he's been so slow and I'm actually starting to believe it.

He hates people making money off of someone elses characters, but has no problem with people writting fan fiction for fun or to learn.

Hey do you know why he thinks Brienne saying "why is he still here?" Was bad writing?

Still better than the actual show finale

The latest season was still great entertainment. I think a big part is, that people just get used to it. I bet if they remained like season 1 to 5 people would still complaining. You would read stuff like "Because there are no books left, they just copy the old stuff!", "Oh man, another main character death. Could they even amaze me with something new?" , "It is the big final! Shouldn't they finally incrase the pacing and went on to the f*** war against the white walkers?".

Great entertainment for the people who just wanna see great CGI. Not for people who are here for the story. And Story is shit now.

EvilPlaya So true. I call bullshit on there not being enough content for a full season. A lot of the best parts of GOT were the parts when characters shared the road together. There was no need for magic travel or a sped up pace.

Roland People would be complaining, but only ones who have been complaining from the start. I wouldnt complain if they had the same pace and long relationships between characters. That would be nice. Like between Tywin and Arya. I always felt the threat to her character and when Arya got lessons from the enemy who would kill her if he knows who she really is, that was awesome. The output was great. Now the pace is too fast and we dont get that awesome golden moments. No space for the drama to breathe when all of it is action. Not much humour either. Like random joke that the prostitutes didnt take money from Podrick.

Mex LOL oh you fools it will have even less episodes. They are in a full on sprint now. They are not stopping welcone to cliche fantasy ending 3.

kimsalabim Well, yeah. It became fanfiction as soon as the book content ended in season 5. The rest of the plot lines they've had to make up and that has clearly gone poorly lol

it became a comic book where it's just classic heroes vs villains SMH

yessss.... i eyerolled on sooo many scenes 😒😒😒 Especially the Dany-Jon thing bleeaaaahhh

kimsalabim Perfect way to put it

Ingrid Mangubat-Patacsil PREACH FINALLY SOMEONE SAYS IT THEY HAVE NO CHEMISTRY ITS BORING

True thing, he was absolutely amazing

I really hope these last 3 episodes can salvage the show in some way. I really disliked this past episode so much. Just randomly right now I just had the epiphany that Game of Thrones has gotten so much worse. This season has been kinda bad.

@@SuperMovieLvr933 8x3 was the worst episode thus far, and the previous two episodes were preparing us for 8x3, so they were also pointless and useless.

Lowkey... yeah

@@nixiontm It was the worst episode in GOT history!

Most of the fanbase who read the books have been saying these things since season 5! It has gotten much much worse since then though.

Ditto