I got into the show after season 6 and then looked into all of the lore and books so when this episode came out I already knew the significance of gendrys war hammer and was like fuuuuck. Also at first viewing I didn't notice that it has a stag emblem on it
Plus Rhaegar is a name from a completely alien culture and language to her. It's also a personal diary, it's conceivable that it is just poor handwriting.
@@matth1589 Or way too fancy. The Maesters are a little too full of themselves for poor handwriting. I imagine large flourishes with flowery, overly descriptive writing in most of those books.
The ironic thing about Jon and Gendry is that Gendry is wrong. Robert HATED Jon's biological father and smashed his chest in with a Warhammer. But now Gendry wants to be besties with Jon because of Robert and Ned had. It’s a beautiful piece of irony.
I just spent way too long trying to figure out how Robert hated his own biological father and when this all happened, but then I realized I'm an idiot.
Right when Gilly revealed the secret about the annulment, i kept expecting Nikki to shout..."PAUSE! PAUSE! PAUSE!....This means he's a BARATHEON!"....and Steven to respond "I just started sweating".
The "still rowing" joke that Davos made was a nod to the fans because we went so long without ever hearing what happened to him that people started making memes about it, so they threw that in there for Gendry's return lol.
Joe Dempsie (Gendry actor) tweeted "#stillrowing" at the end of the next season or two after we last saw him at the end of S3. One of my all time favorite tweets.
I found it quite funny that last episode - or the one before - Nikki made the comment about Gendry rowing “following the coast” and making it full circle as a tongue in cheek comment I knew they wouldn’t have seen the memes as they avoid spoilers, and I knew this episode was coming as I’ve been rewatching these in my GoT mini rewatch after HotD so I thought nice! That tweet was awesome too
Sam already knew it he is the one who transcribed the diary of that High Septon (priest) and gives it to Gilly to practice her reading and spelling. It just didn't register to him because he does not know the connection between Jon, Rhaegar and Lyana. The only people in the world who know are Bran and Myra's father Howland Reed (assuming because he was with Ned at the Tower and survived to make it home and is still alive today)
Carson Coulter Your comment gave me chills! By the old gods and the new, I truly hope we get a meeting between Jon and Howland Reed at Winterfell where Howland explains everything that happened at the Tower of Joy
Allyson Wonderland ASMR I agree with your comment. Not spoiler, but the OP is making connections for the reactors, connections I haven't seen any reactors do yet. Why not let people make their own connections? I don't think it would be to them unreasonable in any way and far more fun for us and probably them too.
Jon's and Daenerys' chemistry with each other has grown since they first met. You can see that she was more afraid of Jon going beyond the wall then Jora. She even tried to keep him from going.
As good as N&S are at picking up on hints dropped in this show, I'm surprised they've said NOTHING about the growing tension between Jon and Dany. I get the feeling they are of the "OMG, no way, that's incest! Eww!" group.
@@aimeemarie5462 lmao right? Ep. 6-7 I feel like they'll be super surprised. I can't believe they couldn't pick up on the romantic undertones from Ep. 3 to now.
I always expected that Sam would find the evidence of Jon's parentage while at the Citdel. But, I found Gilly's innocent uttering to be such a fantastic way for the story to be confirmed for us!
I got the impression from this episode that Arya doesn't understand politics well and thus she doesn't really do allies. I think that is why she struggle to see why Sansa is doing what she is doing. To this point she is just too much of the belief that you kill those who disagree.
Arya is an assassin. She has been trained to kill people. She doesn't care about the subtleties of politics. Sansa was always supposed to be a lady since she was a kid, and she has been in King's Landing, the Eyrie and with the Boltons, so she knows how to survive using politics.
Remember that important part or Arya's training was reading people trough the game of faces. What I see in all this is that she is pushing Sansa so that she can make better judgement about her motives and possible moves. And for the same reason I do not think that she is fulled by Littlefinger, but she is just playing along.
At this point, Arya is right to be distrustful of Sansa. Arya is playing the game of faces and knows Sansa IS thinking those horrible things, not bcus its what she wants but bcus its what Littlefinger told her to do: think of every possible outcome, good or bad. Arya just doesn't yet realize this.
Funny (not at all funny) thing is that there were several more men going with them. But you know, they didn't need to show them at all because they were there purely just so they could get killed. Sigh.
Don't you love Sam's arc - despite his self-avowed cowardice he has become a true man of action. No longer dreaming of great things but playing an active role in great affairs. God I love his story!
How I want Sam & Gendry’s character’s to develop - Sam now that he’s no longer becoming a Maester can take over his house and Jon can make Gendry (last living Baratheon) a Baratheon by royal decree. Both can rule their houses Storm’s End & Horn Hill in Jon’s name and make powerful allies for the Iron Throne.
I LOVE Gendrys introduction in this episode, a true Baratheon like his father with his war hammer and that connection with Jon just like Ned and Robert. I hope they are Best Bastard Friends Forever. #BBFF
Perfectly aware of that sweetie lol. Never the less, I have the self control of a kid in a candy shop, when I get hooked on something I am far to impulsive to let it go lol. I'm just in aww of their ability to stick to one episode every couple of days. They are far more responsible than I!
Maybe lol, but I don't think they do, because people send them stuff in the mail corresponding with the latest episodes that they had made and you see some of those items in the next weeks video (plus Nikki's hair changed color between episodes). So I think they may watch two or three episodes at a time (at most)... I started watching GOT right before the 7th season and had binge watched the prior 6 seasons within 5/7 days... Hence why their patience blows my mind!
Another Novel Note: King Robert's warhammer is still locked up in the royal armory in the Red Keep. It was so massive that even Eddard Stark was said to have been unable to lift it without great effort. Licensed replicas of Robert's hammer feature 9 spikes on the hammerhead in a 3X3 pattern. Gendry's hammer features the head of a stag on the hammerhead (the crowned stag being the symbol of House Baratheon).
Davos must be a really good salesman. After this episode was broadcast, Google registered a few million searches on the topic of using fermented crab as an aphrodisiac.
Love that Baratheon stag on that hammer. Yeah, Gendry! I love that you guys rewound and YES, ding ding ding ding!!! He's not a bastard. He is the rightful heir to the throne. That is why there were two Kingsguard protecting Lyanna because the rightful king was there! And you gotta love Sam Tarly. He has come so far from being the cowardly slug that he was at the beginning of the show. As for Gilly: she's just learning how to read! We can give her a break. ;)
Love Gendry … and glad to have him back. I love Sam and he has been such an integral part of GOT. He is a good friend to Jon. His intel to Jon about the dragon glass is invaluable. He is not a warrior per se, but he fights when necessary and he did kill a Thinn and a Walker. Go Sam!!!! … and he saved Gilly. …. PEACE.
Well, those two kingsguard were actually there because Rhaegar commanded them to stay, not because the 'rightful king' was there - I mean, how were they supposed to know that Lyanna would give birth to a son? For all they knew, Viserys was now the rightful king, and he would have been if Lyanna had given birth to a girl.
The actor(Bronn) and the actress(Cersei) used to date some years ago, but the breakup was so bad that they aren't even cast together in scenes on Game of Thrones, if y'all haven't noticed. That hammer Gendry used was his father's(Robert).
Yeah it's in their contracts that they will never share a scene. However, that hammer is not Robert's Hammer that is in an armory in the Red Keep. He made his own but it is similar.
Good catch. The only time they share a scene was after the Battle of Blackwater when Cersei leaves Tyrion's chambers. Bronn was outside threatening Ser Meryn Trant and when Cersei walks by, she actively averts her gaze from Bronn...… yikes. Also, the hammer wasn't King Robert's, but it was similar in size (being oversized for actual medieval warhammers). Robert's hammer had a spiked rather than a rounded hammer head.
Remember Littlefinger said to the maester "Lady Stark thanks you for your help" or something like that - he is sowing seeds of division and conflict by pointing to Sansa as the one who asked for the document. So now Arya believes that Sansa wants the document hidden/destroyed - not Littlefinger.
Actually it says Ned could barely lift it with two hands. But Ned wasn't a big guy. Anyway that hammer looks ridiculous, no one but the Mountain should be able to use it.
Man I used to just watch you guys react to my favorite episodes and that was fun but I find myself on a journey now reliving my favorite show of all time, remembering everything that happened like bran and watching you guys ask yourself the same questions I did and knowing what's coming watching your reactions is so much fun... Enjoy the last few episodes and I hope you guys know that after it ends they are currently developing 5 spin off shows and I hope you guys get on that early and not wait for the whole thing to be over coz this is like 10 years of my life already
Interesting fact Gendry and Jon are related because Robert is Gendry father and Roberts grandmother was a Targaryen which is why he had a claim to the throne.
@Ívarr hinn Beinlausi he does. His grandfather was a Baratheon but his grandmother was a Targaryen Therefore Gendry great grandmother was a Targaryen And that was why when the war ended Robert had the most claim to throne over anyone including Tywin,Ned,Jon Arryn etc
Roberts grandmother was Rhealle Targaryen, Maester Aemons niece. They are related. Gendry, Shireen and Jon are 3rd cousins. Robert, Stannis, Renly, Rhaegar, Viserys, Dany are 2nd cousins
awoiaf.westeros.org/images/c/c6/House_Targaryen_Family_tree.jpg U can see the daughter of King Aegon V, aka Egg, Aemons brother married a Baratheon. The Mad King and his sister-wife were 1st cousins with Steffon Baratheon. The Mad king, Steffon and Tywin used to be good friends, until Steffon died at sea and Aerys thought Tywin did it cuz he was afraid Steffon would replace him as Hand. And then other shit happened during the years that brought the families farther appart. Even thought their parents were best friends, Robert and Rhaegar never were
"Did Rhaegar marry someone... who would he have married in Dorne??" I found that too funny! 🤣🤣 like "Is Jon a BARATHEON!" part 2. I don't say it enough but I really appreciate you both doing this channel, especially on top of your full-time lives. So much love. 💖💖💖💖💖💖💖
I've seen a lot of people react to that Sam/Gilly scene and Jon being "true heir" with excitement, but that's not my reaction. I love Jon, I do. But after 7 seasons of Daenerys fighting back to Westeros and having to deal with prejudice of being a woman leader, it's FAR too convenient to me that there's suddenly a male heir that has a better claim than her. And then I have to hear people say they can't wait for that fact to be shoved in Daenerys' face, like Daenerys thinking that she was heir is an annoyance but are at the same time praising Jon on the same claim and ready to give him the Iron Throne. Whatever. On another subject.. Randyll Tarly is confusing. He supported the Targaryens against Robert, he should have known that Daenerys was actually born in Westeros and had no choice in being an exile and sent to foreign lands. He'd rather support a woman who blew up her city and excuse it because "at least she was born here" - when uh.. Daenerys was too..? But this is a guy who was prepared to kill his son because he wasn't worthy enough, so nothing he does should surprise.
@@MarieAnne. You're missing my point, then. It's not really specifically about Daenerys and whether right now people think she's a good leader choice or not. But George has given us a story in which women in power - more specifically them being denied power because they're women - is an ongoing thing. Or they have to work harder at getting there and getting respect. And we get a woman who is in line for the throne, only for a male heir to come swooping in last minute. That's my problem. It's CONVENIENT and it's always males on the throne. (or Cersei, but that's not a positive example) It feels like they toy with having a woman there and then deny her. So no, I'm not happy about that. If you don't understand that, not much I can do.
I think Drogon could smell the Targaryen in Jon too. Drogon sniffs Jon, then his expression softens and he does that trusting blink thing that animals do. Dany was confused because she's never seen one of her dragons act that way except to her. Love that Drogon basically was all "oh hey, you're a targaryen, we can hang."
The Magnificent Seven march into the north side of the wall! Yaass! ....plus a few red shirts. 😄 Ok, 1. Gilly's little info bomb is the main reason why Jon should not bend the knee, because this may forfeit his right to ever claim the throne. 2. This episode was chalk full of call backs that it's almost hard to catch them all: Gendry returns, Gendry forged his weapon of choice, which is the same weapon of choice like his Baratheon father. Jorah returns, Jon reminding us that he served under Jorah's father, Gendry and Jon talking about being the "bastard sons" to their fathers who were best friends, and why not be besties too, Arya finding the scroll in the mattress because as children she used to put shit in Sansa bed by cutting a slit in the mattress. Sansa told Tyrion that story when taking a walk with him, before finding out about Robb. The note Arya found, everyone that gathered at Eastwatch tower had a callback connection to someone else in the room. Baeric to the hound, Jorah to Tormund, Gendry to the brotherhood, Jon to Jorah, Jon to the Brotherhood through Ned, who formed them. Whew.....it's too much! 😄 3. Samwell just deserted his studies as a Maester for Castle Black, which was written in law by Jon when he was Commander of the night's watch. Technically, Jon died before Samwell made it to the citadel. When Jon was resurrected he served his term and appointed someone else Commander, which makes Sam's vow null and void unless the new commander backs up Sam staying there to study or send for someone else experienced. Sam has an honored duty to claim himself as Lord of House Tarly, and to take care of his mother and sisters. That's how I think that loophole should work. 4. Arya is ready Sansa as she was trained to. Yes, there is a little childhood residue there, but she's talking to Sansa figuring out the wheels turning in her mind as she uses key words to see how she seems to react to it. When she told her "You're thinking about it right now. You can't help it." Sansa was because she could deny it. She just said she had to get back to work. I have no doubt Arya would take Sansa out. I truly feel that had she not known about Arya's(Assassin) and Bran's (foresight) special gifts, and they didn't come home when they did, she probably would have carried out a plan to betray Jon and be Queen in the North, just like she did him dirty in the battle of the bastards, but he lived through it.
The Hammer is actually the weapon Robert used in his youth. The fact that it's Gendry's choice too is a not only a nod to Robert Baratheon himself and all his strenght, but also the way he killed Raeghar Targaryen in the rebellion.
-Leave One Wolf alive and the sheeps are never safe -A lion dose not concern himself with the opinion of the sheeps -The lords of westros are sheeps , you are not a sheep , you are a dragon , Be a Dragon.
Arya is/was playing "the game of faces"...taught to her by her time in the House of Black and White. It's the faceless men's way of getting to the truth.
You guys are amazing at figuring out all of this! Love that you keep notes and figure everything out right! I honestly believe that little finger started Roberts rebellion too. He was healing from his wound from Brandon Stark, slept with Lyssa and got her pregnant and got kicked out of riverrun, he ended up at the same place with Brandon Stark on his way home and Brandon would've wanted to kill him for sleeping with Catelyn's sister... but he saw Lyanna leave with Rheager and most mostly told Brandon that she was kidnapped instead to stay alive and get Brandon on something else. Starting the kidnapped lie and sending him to kingslanding to be killed which started the rebellion
still so frustrated that jon, gendry, the hound and the brotherhood without banners have all met up and still hasn't mentioned arya, you know jon's freaking little sister that they've all met at one point or another
dallypool Easily. They’re always so thoughtful with their analysis. Sadly, some people still don’t recognize that and give them a hard time whenever they miss the littlest things...they’re only human and some people don’t understand that
Plus it doesn't hurt that Nikki is also eye candy hehe. I 100% agree, they analysis it as SOON as they watch every episode and they are 95% spot on every time, other reactions channels they watch it then end the episode and rewatch it and Google what is going on. Plus it's always easier when you know what happens in the whole series. Sorry Rant Over (smileyface)
"this fucker seems to know everything" remember when sansa and tyrion were talking about "sheep shifting" a bed sansa explains how shift is the nothern word for dung and when arya would get annoyed with sansa ayra would cut a little hole in sansas bed fill it with sheep shit and sew it back up so sansas room would stink and she wouldn't know why.... so arya was known for hiding things in cut out holes in the bedding and some how that is where LF hid this scroll, it's almost like baelish had "heard" that conversation and used that info to "bait" arya..... he knows everything
@pkariiiiiiiii I don't feel like that whole storyline is tied up. Even though I'm being vague, *Spoilery under read more.* Someone's going to have some questions when they get back and I think we might get the "true" story. The first time I watched this part of the season, "what the fuck" pretty much summed up my thoughts. Rewatching it, I think the 3 had a talk under that tree we weren't privy to and it will be revealed next season. Less vague: Sansa and Arya are very specific about where they are when arguing, leaving doors open, Bran gave the audience a hint with "chaos is a ladder" that he already knows what went down with his dad, Sansa and Arya both seem to be playing parts in their "arguments". I just feel like there's more too it than just Bran stepping in at the last minute to fix their sister problems with the truth. Knowing that Bran sees everything, I have to imagine Sansa asked him at least once, "wtf is the real story with this guy?" We aren't privy to a lot of their scenes of them all together or 2 of the siblings talking about anything other than what *someone* was meant to hear. Like how we don't see how they got to that end point beforehand. I feel like they did this storyline this way because the audience is supposed to be that *someone* and only sees what they see or heard.
Sam is transcribing and studying all those books. Gilly is just trying to improve her reading by looking at them too. So even though it wasn’t something he took note of when Gilly said it you have to imagine He did most likely read over that passage himself. The show creators just found a way to use Gilly, who has only been reading since Princess Shireen taught her, to give a blink and you’ll miss it plot twist.
If you notice the warhammer has a stag on it, Roberts sigil. This was so good guys, did you hear drogon "rill" when Jon stroked him? its a dragon purr, much like the two younger ones did, when Tyrion took off their collars. Damn I know you have a life and kids and jobs, but I cant wait until tuesday dammit:) LOL have a great weekend guys, see you tuesday... oh and ....thursday... right? *winks*
BEST team-up EVER! Btw, I need Jon, The Hound, and Gendry to all reunite with Arya ASAP! Seeing her meet Daenerys and see the dragons will also be cool. It would be kinda like seeing her hero Visenya.
I really hope you guys see this comment eventually. I've been with you guys since episode one and despite the number of times I've seen the show I still feel the anticipation and excitement with you both. I look forward to more reactions in the future (especially the next 2 GoT) loads of love from Scotland ❤
You have to remember the last time Arya new Sansa they were both children and Sansa was a selfish, spoilt rotten little tween who Arya saw standing next to Joffery as he ordered their father beheaded. Arya's opinion of Sansa wasn't great before that either. Remember the Butcher's boy???? Arya's best friend who's death was ordered because Sansa wouldn't speak truth about how Joffery was the one who started the fight.
While I agree with you to an extent I dont think you're being fair to Sansa. When Ned was killed Arya could see Sansa screeming , No stop him and fighting to get free from the night holding her back. Did Arya know the butchers boy before, I always thought that she just met him at the inn where they were staying? And I m pretty the butcher's boy would have been dead no matter what Sansa would have said. After what Arya and he did to Jofferey (of course it was all joffs fault) there is no way Joffery was not gonna get revenge no matter what was said/decided about it. He was a psycho and I don't think there was anything Sansa could have done to save him. Of course I get where Arya is coming from, they were both children the last time and they can only judge by what they know from before. But I really hate Arya hating on Sansa for things that was not her fault. She of course has other reasons to not like Sansa, she was pretty awful in the beginning but I don't feel like these are fair reasons.
@@Rebeccareeds1 , I think you might have misunderstood where I was coming from. I LOVE SANSA!!! I also LOVE ARYA!!!! You need to know that before I continue. Sansa in my opinion has had one of the best character arches and complete transformations of anybody else of the show. And every lesson she's learned, she's had to learn the hard way. She's had to go through awful and unspeakable things to get there, and what has impressed me more than her emotional strength, is the grace in which she's gone through it. All that being said, Sansa was as selfish and spoilt a brat as they come in the beginning, lol. I hated her in the first season. How she consistantly put her own happiness above that of her family, her siblings, and even her father, right up until Joffery gave the order to kill Ned. Just watch the first season again and you will see I am right. I'll stand by that opinion until the end of time. Arya was a very different kind of kid. Strong willed from the start, extremely lucky at times, and wise beyond her years. At times I had to remind myself that she was the younger of the two girls, much more like Ned I think... Regardless of any of that though, when your are a kid, it isn't so much the reality of an event that you remember, but more so your limited perception of it. Both girls suffered extremely traumatic events at really young ages, and the decisions they've made along the way (right or wrong) has brought them back together, completely different than the sibling each of them remember. Hopefully these girls will hug and make up😉. 'Cause I will be really angry 😡🤬😡 if a snake like Little Finger comes between them. Together those Stark girls would be unstoppable. P.S: I write this in the present tense, talking only about my feelings up until the end of this episode, and not a moment beyond. Please don't spoil anything past this episode, and thank you for replying. It's always nice to hear different points of view.
How the hell they have not picked the sexual tension between Jon and Dany? In the cave last episode it was beyond the roof, she even let him grab her arm with no protest, and in this episode Dany was so worried of Jon leaving, that she made a lame excuse to keep him there. She even says that she grew used to him, and looked sad that Jon did not reciprocate that feeling. Poor Dany she looked so sad to see him go. There is even a new particular music playing when they are together. Jon even looked jealous when Jorah hugs Dany, LOL.
@RheyaRu!z Yeah maybe, but they should learn that among other Targaryen couples, Dany and Jon relationship is not THAT weird. She may be his aunt, but she is also younger than him, and they don´t even know they are related. They should complain to George RR Martin if they are so bothered by it, LOL.
I always took the cave scene as Dany wanting Jon to propose to her right there. Jon mentions that his people wont accept a southern ruler, Dany replies they will if their King does. Plus the starry eyed look she had looking into Jons eyes while saying it. Plus you have to bend the knee to propose. This of course went right over Jons head because he knows nothing.
Marcelo Montes Grabbing her arm with no protest was not sexually related. Jon was using body language to convey himself as an ally by breaking physical barriers and setting her up so they are beside each other while looking at the drawing. When some one is beside you it is natural for you to start to see them as friendly and allies while when some one is right in front of you they are more easy to appear threatening and dangerous.
@@cahzinarx904 It was part of the sexual tension alright. He even stared at her before grabbing her arm and she would have protested the physical touch if there wasn´t sexual tension between both of them.
It was the scroll that Sansa wrote to Rob in season one that calls Ned a traitor and that Rob needs to come bend the knee to Joffrey that Cersei forced Sansa to write.
Yes, Sam missed the bomb ! Raeghar got married legally with Lyanna Stark. Jon is a true borned targaryen prince. He's the Raeghar 's son and then Daenerys is his aunt (weird) and "only" the Raeghar 's sister. So JON IS THE RIGHTFUL HEIR to the iron throne !
I am still shocked about how people do not see the idiocy in all of this. No way Rhaegar anulled the marriage and alliance to Dorne. And in case he did, he and Lyanna are the worst people in Westerosi history. And that still does Jon not be the heir to the throne. Targs lost the rebellion. He was born AFTER the war. Viserys was named heir officially by Aerys when Jon was not yet born...I could go on. It simply makes no sense and I am glad that non of this will happen in the books.
@@asharadaynedragonblood1803 all the baratheons are dead (Gendry is a bastard), Vyseris is dead. The rebellion is considered illegal by Daenerys and the Targaryens faction and Robert is "the usurper" for them (and he is no longer here to defend his rights, neither Stannis or Renly), so in this very moment and if Daenerys win the war, Jon is the rightful heir by the direct line of succession. It doesn't matter he was borned after the war, Daenerys was borned after the war too (on a boat on its the way to Pentos) and i could go on too...GOT describe the reality of war and History of these war and the History is always written by the winners (like the history of the rebellion written by Robert : Raeghar never raped Lyanna and never took her away by force). It's not a matter of juridic right, it's a matter of who is the successor in the winning faction and right now, it's JON. GOT is a realist show where good and evil are so relative on the position and motivations like the debate we can have about the succession between the Targs and the Baratheon but at the end of a war (this one or others in the reality), the right of the winner will emerge. Regarding the Raeghar 's behavior, i'm pretty agree with you. That was so irresponsable (but love has his reasons ;-)
@@dl8557 There is only one big issue: the whole story is NOT about succession, not about Houses and not about the Throne. It is about Ice and Fire. Game of Thrones was just the first book title. It actually does not matter who is rightful king or heir, the Others come marching. So to me it does not make sense to hype up Jons Targaryen heritage so much. It is pointless for him being trueborn or not. It simply does not matter. But his parentage does play a part still - for the story plot - so does Danys's past. We all forget about HER. So what is it then? Why is Jons parentage made such a big secret? Why is it so important? Because not of some succession, but for something way bigger.
@@asharadaynedragonblood1803 I understand your point of view except "A song of Ice and Fire" would not be this unbelievable and passionating story without the "Game of Thrones" between these great houses and their aspirations or what they consider their rights (as the succession) to the iron throne. What makes the great war so crucial is the evolution of the characters (like Jon) in the Game. The fact that he is the true borned son of Raeghar and Lyanna will have consequences on the short term (for example, on his relations with Daenerys). And on the long term, after the great war between the dead and the living, there still must be a ruler or a group of rulers. It may seem irrevelant right now but it's still true.
@@dl8557 The show and the books are truly 2 different things in that regard. We have another big player in the books who - I hope - will show up in S8: Aegon! Young Griff! HE in fact makes the whole thing interesting. Blackfyre or not, doesn't matter. As a matter of fact, I believe Rhaegar is the father of Daenerys, Lyanna NOT the mother. A pairing of R+L seems very very very unlikely. The show - for now - claims another thing but I wonder if this will stay true. Noone thinks about Bran being manipulated or even playing on the wrong side. What if Jons parentage reveal to Bran is still all wrong, just to hide who Jon REALLY is? Jon being Jon Targaryen is still pointless: Aegon looks exactly like Rhaegar, he has a company of people who will swear for his identity, so no matter if BF or the true Aegon: Aegon would be seen as the true king in Westeros, not Jon. Jon has absolutely zero Taegaryen traits, nothing. And that there is tension between him and Dany is also pointless because it would be no problem for Dany and Jon to marry nevertheless if they would love each other. That is what Targaryens did always. There must be another thing, somwthing bigger; and I say: we must look at what CAUSED the Long Night in the first place. And there Jons and Danys true identity comes into play. It is the blood that is important, not being a successor to a throne. I could only live with R+L if there was a very good explanation yet to come. Them being only in love and their resulting actions are totally rediculous, because this is not how both characters are described. In fact both characters ruled out R+L themselves. Jons parentage IS important, but not for reasons we expect, in my opinion.
The actor that plays Gendry, played another character called Chris in one of my most favourite dramas Skins. So cool to see him in a role so significant all these years later on.
The marriage does count. Rhaegar was next in line to the throne were he to die and he had kid the first born would be next in line and if he dies it'll pass on to the first borns siblings had rhaegar had other kids. Since Daenerys thinks all of her brothers children were killed she would be rightful ruler to the throne which she would've been. But since this information reveals that jon is a legitimate targaryen in wedlock. Then he is the rightful ruler to the seven kingdoms not Daenerys.
Jon is nothing. He was not even born when Rhaegar was killed. So the claim went to Aegon. Aerys was still alive when Rhaegar died, and he named Viserys as his heir after Elia and the kids were murdered. Jon was still not born. Viserys escaped. Targaryens lost the claim. So Jon is no rightful heir to nothing.
@@asharadaynedragonblood1803 dude you are talking in terms of the books. We are not talking about the books we are speaking about the show. And the show made no claim that viserys was made the heir in the show. Book readers need to stop using the book as gospel because the show had made plenty changes already. So please when we are talking about a review about a show stop using the book as an argument. Especially when the show has surpassed the book because the author is either lazy or clearly has writers block.
@@deadhead8323 ok. You are right, this is show only. But still: it has so drastic logic holes!!! Especially S7. Episode 6 is coming. Worst episode of the entire show. Regardless of any book.
how in the world do u make that swim across the river carrying jamie with his gold hand and his heavy ass armour....the gilly bomb was awesome......and about the tarlis dany has to show her power to the ppl of westeros....and she is a dragon so that was a fair decision by her....anyways rendyl tarli played both ways as tyrion said....his alliegance is kind of flexible...
You know, everyone complains about the time jumps this season and it does not bother me at all. I get more irritated with the way they forced the audience perspective. However, I don't know why, but that scene when they come out of the water like a half a mile away from the battle just pisses me off so much. It's an irrational anger, but it still pisses me off lol
@@IamRohan_ it would have made a lot more sense for Jaime to get captured and Tyrion to repay the favor of letting him go free, with terms to bring to Cersei about meeting to discuss a truce.
@@asharadaynedragonblood1803 you coming here was predicted and simply totally nonsense. Guess what though, you can never take away the Gilly bomb from the TV show. It will always be there. No matter what happens in the books, because you don't know what's going to happen, your theory will always be 100% incorrect in the show. God, that's got to piss you off. Your theory will never happen in the show and it will always be wrong. You can never take away season 6 episode 10. No matter how much you want to push everything else, that episode will be there for hundreds of years to come and your theory will never be a part of it. All you can do is hope that it will be a part of the books because that's the only shot you have left. That's the only chance you have left for you to be right about that stupid Theory. No wonder you're holding on so tight, you're terrified because you're most likely wrong. We are already correct in our theory in the show. So even if we don't get it in the books, we already got it. You have to pray and hope and wish that it is a part of the books. Otherwise you've just wasted so much time on nothing and what would have been the point of it all?
That was in no way a spoiler. They could have paused it themselves and just read it in this episode. Also if it was a spoilers the mods wouldn't have let this post stand
Anyone that cares that much over a mispronounced word, or name, only shows that they have no clue over what truly matters in life. It's like the "debate" over aluminum vs aluminium, mainly from the aluminium side, people thinking they get to tell an entire group of people that a harmless difference of theirs, is wrong, it show such a despicable bias towards themselves, over something so meaningless, that it makes them out to be revolting people.
In the books, Davos is one of the very, *very* few adult point of view characters (the books are written from character PoVs instead of in numbered chapters, kinda like TV scenes) that you can root for without reservation. His moral compass always points north.
i could see her lying about it to keep jaime close, but i think she's really pregnant. i don't think that child will ever be born tho, since the prophecy mentioned she would only have 3 children.
@@Dularr i always liked that theory. and maybe it will turn out similar like that in the books. but i don't think the show is going for this theory tbh.
@@Dularr I think the prophecy referred to children that lived, so Robert's and her first son wouldnt count. which leads me to think if cersi is pregnant, the child won't live. I too really like the cersi gendry thoughts, but think has very little chance to be true at least on the show.
