@@getsumcashYou're wrong... Have you read the books at least? He killed the king because he knew that the king wanted to blow up the kingdom thinking he'd turn into a dragon. Thus Jamie killed the king and he couldn't tell Ned Stark since Ned Stark doesn't care and only believes in duty and thus he couldn't reveal that he killed him due to such circumstances and took the downfall, essentially loosing what he wished for and that is being remembered by the people as an honest, honorable knight. He then realized he has nothing good written about him in the book about kings guard except for him killing a king. When he loses his hand that ties him to that and losing favor with his sister, he completely abandons his old self and tries to do as much good for the people to be remembered as someone good.
Just for the sake of Cersei, their favorite character, they simply love Cersei. A character nobody likes, unlike Joffrey or Ramsay who were amazing villains and people loved to hate. She is boring, badly acted, because Lena Headey simply wasn't capable of portraying the Cersei of the books: beautiful, beloved because of her looks, but batshit crazy, arrogant beyond belief. Not stupid per say, because all Lannisters are smart, but completely uneducated so acting dumb all the time.... instead we got a robot. Let me say it, which one of the writers is banging Lena???? I can't explain it any other way
thats my problem with it mostly was the plot armor for arya were i feel no fear for her character as a dragon is actively burning all around her and for one of the first times in the show i have no sense she could die she became a generic action hero
Daenerys talks with Jon before and she said that she will rule with fear and not with love. I think is in ep 4 I think that khaleesi has changed her mind because missandei's death, the death of her dragon, and the "claim" of Jon for being a Targaryen. She goes crazy, that is unexpected, and we all know how does this in every end-season. This is game of thrones, is not a regular tv show, if daenerys was going to take the throne so easily, it will be a highly expected ending. My point of view. (Sorry for my english, im spanish).
Jamie: * killed the Mad King to save an entire city * Also Jamie: "To be honest I never really cared about them" It would've been so much better if he stayed North.
@@mgmgmg18 For one, it would have being very predictable, because he was the one character that spent the episode prior to the battle against the Night King making amends with EVERYONE he ever met in his life. Had it happened that day, I would have groaned a little saying "Really?" would be involved. But then, again, given how his character assass... ahem, I mean, given how his death actually went? Yep, totally agree, it would have bem REALLY a lot better if he died that day. If there is a thing this show is teaching us, it is that "subverting expectations" doesn't really amount to anything if done just for the sake of it.
he is so fucking useless and sidelined for arya..... why do we follow that character that much??? why not show jon how he walks around the citiy in the one shot moments.... why is she that focus now?
@@Nonotormt That's the problem in the first place. Arya went from being an A character to a central in literally 3 episodes, while characters like Danny and Jon, who have been the viewers center focus for 7 seasons have become what? B characters? Hell, jon straight up really does look like an extra or just some random character that was added this season in some episodes. They've decided out of nowhere that Arya would be the pivotal character to EVERY big plot in s8, while 7 seasons told us otherwise
‘Ish is Tyrion’s fault to begin with. [well really D&D but you know what i mean] Danny wanted to take Kings Landing. She had 3 Dragons and Cersei had squat for defense. Tyrion: Please don’t hurt my evil sister. Instead let’s go get a zombie and bring it back to her, because [insert idiotic fake motivation here]..... Note: When I say “let’s go”. I mean you guys...cuz my dwarvin @$$ ain’t going anywhere near a zombie! So they go North, get a Dragon killed. The ICE Dragon then brings down the wall....and sets off the long night, after 10,000 years, of not being able to break thru the wall. All thanks to Tyrion. She should have killed very member of the Lannister family...on *the* spot. Lol.
100s of years ago "Mommy whyd you name you name me after a genocidal killer" "He was pretty badass and looked hot while doing it, specially when he barged through our home..."
It's ok. Do you know how many people have been named "Abraham?" This is a man who took direction from God to cut off the penis tips of all his people's men and boys, including servants and slaves. Same God told him to sacrifice his son, and he almost did until he was told it was just a prank. NO ONE questions this.
It was poetic justice. In the end, it all came crashing down on Cersei, and also Jaime for his one flaw; his unfiltered love for Cersei. Nothing was going to fix who Jaime is/was inside. It isn't like Jaime went and massacred innocent people, he didn't turn evil, but returned to his toxic relationship. In the end he was redeemed by the good he did in the later seasons. All my opinion though.
The pacing of this season is my main critique. I actually can envision Dany becoming crazed with grief and rage at the loss of all her advisors and loved ones. But can you do that in basically an episode and a half? I doubt it
This is my same issue with the season. And because it was rushed, to me, *spoilers* the deaths of Jorah and Missandei (especially hers) were nothing but events to ~catalyze~ Dany's road to derangement, making their deaths almost seem cheap. Even Aerys's descent to madness took time. I wasn't expecting much but I was still disappointed.
Same! I don't have an issue with ending being the way it is but there was zero buildup! There should've been at least another episode between this one and the one before to show her descent to madness. Like that's 20 min of screentime so we can know what she's going through. It's just too fast and incomprehensible
@@jasminekellylove1081 I (and I'm pretty sure so do other viewers) knew they were hinting Crazy Dany since she started ruling her Khalasar. I'm more bothered that the seeds the writers have planted in previous seasons were not properly nurtured these past two seasons, mostly because we had less episodes to work with
Why r u all downplaying the element of surprise that led to the death of the dragons. This time it was Dany that brought the element of surprise n caught them of guard. How many of those scorpions were even able to get a shot away?? U just dont hv to bash everything u know.
@@geniusmainus Element of surprise my ass, Dany got out of the war council knowing about the fucking iron fleet, how the fuck was that a surprise? She was flying, how could she not have seen the fleet, and then the writers have the audacity to make the excuse of "Dany kinda forgot about the iron fleet", get the fuck outta here.
Pretty true...she was fking high asf, how she could have missed 7 giant ships sailing from another angle is kinda illogical in the least. CONSIDERING she was even looking at at side (at her dragon) no reason for no to spot the ships past him lol
@@geniusmainus You literally could see scorpions on tower doing jack of shit. Element of surprise. Literally EVERY TOWER had a Scorpion. SHIPS had had Scorpions. That's not how element of surprise works. If she appeared and destroyed most of the Scorpions from get go, yeah sure. I could kinda buy it. But it took her awhile to get to all of them. Way too long for surprise to work. And also just to note. Soldiers in King's Landing have been prepped by Tywin himself. They are experienced soldiers. Yet sit with their thumbs in their ass, while Dragon is literally flying in RANGE. Not to mention the behind the wall attack she did on Gold Company. What the 4 freaking Scorpions were doing there? They didn't even aim. Judging by the trajectory of the attack, it should have been an easy hit for Scorpions. Don't tell me they also got caught by surprise and didn't know that shit was exploding behind them? Maybe Dragons use state of the art cloaking tech that cancels the sound, smell and visuals of FIRE AND EXPLOSIONS? Literally not one soldier looked behind until it was too late. Element of surprise my ass. That's not how it works.
Danerys was the queen who didn't agree to conduct fighting pits, even if they were meant for peace and harmony because she thought it was cruel culture. From that character to character which killed most innocent people, only next to thanos in just an episode. Wtf man? At least thanos had some logic to kill people.
She risked everything to save innocents in episode 3, then suddenly decided to butcher innocents in episode 5. I could understand if she had accidentally killed a bunch of civilians whilst trying to get to Cersei. But to target all those vulnerable men, women and children? I don't buy it at all. Even her own soldiers could have been victims, since she was burning everything without paying much attention.
Yeahhhhh right, she didn't just make her way till westeros by burning people alive who rejected to follow her or bend the knee. She was Mother Teresa the entire show. 😒 Stop complaining, she has always been an impulsive psychopath who was kept under control by her advisor's.
Fam thanos is a million times a better villain than what the shitty writers have made Daenerys into. Thanos snapped his finger and all those people simply disappeared without pain. This bitch out here dead ass frying people alive. Hitler level shit.
Absolutely. Although I think she was a bad leader from day one, her character arch was just totally destroyed by being so illogical. Her demon should've more been when her fantasy of being queen came face to face with her idealism and she had to choose either to become queen with blood on her hands or walk away from it all.
It’ll be so funny if the first scene in the next episode is Jamie crawling out of the rubble like when he crawled out of the lake he fell into with heavy armor. They should just go full comedy in the last episode.
Clearly its super rushed.. it can never be enough with just 8 episodes because GOT is massive in terms of story/characters/lore/worlds.. it starts off medium paced and suddenly for season 7 and 8, its rushed badly..
"It's easy to do things that are shocking or unexpected, but they have to grow out of characters. They have to grow out of situations. Otherwise it's just being shocking just for being shocking" -- George R.R. Martin
Shawshii seriously. When Rhaegal was killed somehow they saw her from behind that land mass, yet she, from her higher point of view, didn’t notice them? Mkay. 😂
While I don't know if it was the same in the book, but in S1 Jaime told his father that it was when the mad king threatened to kill Tywin was when he made the decision to stab him in the back. So it was more out of protecting his family than anything else.
@@MP-lc7vy Even so that should've warranted a discussion in the show. Tyrion knew Jaimes history when killing the Mad King, he should've mentioned that and in that case got; "I only cared when my family was threatened." or something of the like in response.
@@MP-lc7vy Remember what Jaime said last night?: "Nobody else matters, only us" Also Jaime over different seasons: " I killed the mad king to save the people of kingslanding" "Qyburn to Jaime: how many lives have you saved? Jaime: Half a million, the population of kingslanding" Jaime: goes to winterfell because he wants to fight for the living because he cares about the people and the realm. Oh and I almost forgot... those empty pages in the kingsguards book that Jaime was supposed to fill in with some great deeds of his because it was hinted he still got time? Fuck that too. They ruined Jaime's arc completely.
Jaime: Kills the Mad King because he was gonna slaughter thousands of innocents Also Jaime: "I never much cared for them - innocent or otherwise." good job D&D
I believe season 8 is lacking just as much as the next guy, but Jaime never killed the mad king to save the innocents. Ned Stark hints at this in season one when he basically accuses Jaime of only killing the mad king when his power started to threaten the Lannister‘s
Trevor Loomis I’m pretty sure he did, at least from what I remember. The bath scene with Brienne he tells her about him killing the Mad King and says something like “If your precious Renly told you to kill your own father and stand by while thousands of innocents die, would you have kept your oath then?” The point was that everyone, including Ned, didn’t know this and thought he just killed the mad king because he wanted the Lannister’s to rule, when in actuality, he did it to save the city. But the way season 8 is going, im surprised they didn’t rewrite this lol.
@@trevorloomis8076 Which is directly proven wrong when Jaime confesses to Brienne and tells her he killed the Mad King because he was going to burn half a million people to death. It's been show time and time again that Ned Stark is a stubborn prick, most prominently with his hatred and refusal to forgive Jaime.
This is the difference between CHARACTER-DRIVEN stories vs STORY-DRIVEN stories. GOT began as an unpredictable character-driven thing that remained unpredictable as long as it stayed character driven. Last season, we were very suddenly jolted into a story-driven tale that can't wait for its characters to fit the plot. It's jarring, to say the least. It's mildly insulting to the viewer's intelligence. I'm annoyed but still watching.
That's the best analysis I've heard of the situation. Although I must say...I think the characters were already falling apart, but some characters like Jon and Jaime and Bron where still good but even their characters where ruined. What a huge letdown of a series... gonna go down in history as biggest bust of a show in this generation of tv
So basically.., the plot is decent but the characters are shit, and since the characters are shit the plot falls apart too, but if it was the other way around it wouldn't work because characters matter more than plot?.
The problem is that GRRM's story was growing way too big and complex to the point where he can't figure out how to finish things or how to get to his desired ending for various plot points and character arcs without doing exactly what you said the show has done. It's a major problem that gardener style writers end up facing, their characters feel great but the plot tends to unravel towards the end leading to a weak ending while architect style plot driven stories may not have characters that are as fully realised but the plot is more tightly focused and characters actually fit the plot even if they aren't as well developed. Of course a story that decides to do both ends up being a hot mess, like you said, but I still think that the fact that GRRM hasn't completed any more ASOIAF books in the last 10 years is a major clue to him having run into the problem I mentioned above.
Sums up the issues quite nicely. And that’s precisely what made Breaking Bad the masterpiece that it is; it stayed character driven all the way to the end. It’s a shame that GoT devolved into a plot driven story. Ah well, at least the acting, cinematography, and set-pieces are great.
I was surprised too, Even more after it seems that the writers loves his character, i mean, they give her a plot armor more powerful that the one of Jon and Sam
Cornflack well, Arya did teleport from one part if winterfell to the godswood and fly at the NK without anyone noticing, so we have seen some sort of sorcery on her behalf. Oh wait, that was just poor writing and 'subversion' :(
"Hey there's this one politician in Germany who's doing really well, I think I'll name my first son after him." - *some guy in the 1930s* "Well shit." - *that same guy after 1945* That's what this whole situation made me think of.
Euron being able to shoot Drogon with the Scorpion WHILE ON A FLOATING BOAT, but not ONE fucking Scorpion in KL hitting Drogon is such shitty and lazy writing
omg that was so dumb.. idk how jamie even made it back to cersei after being stabbed in the side with a huge ass dagger like tf??? in what world does someone walk across almost an entire city with that kind of wound and not collapse?
euron should have landed one shot through a wing( not really effecting flight but tearing through) and thats when Daenerys come back around to give the *DIRECT* flame to Euron and ship. story done. jamie could have lead cersei to the crips injured or not. if you remove the fight it doesnt effect the story at all. we would assume he died like the other 500 people on those ships.
@@advenassaurus5670 It made Jamie look completely petulant. He's supposed to be on a mission to save the love of his life and instead opts to take on a meaningless, juvenile fight for no other reason than Euron goaded him with an "I had your girl" line.
@@OutFreak28 Agreed. It was on a bit of a decline for a while, but Ramsey was the saving grace, and everything with him in it was still amazing. Then Season 7 came and boy oh boy did it just go off a cliff.
True. Although, in all honesty, at least fanfiction writers have the decency of including a disclaimer/warning advising readers if the fanfic's shows OOC (out of character) storylines. HBO didn't do such thing... 🙈🙊🙉
The Northern arc will be completely different, willing to bet a lot on it. In King's Landing, well... yeah, she probably goes in blazing. Will she be a villain in the books because of this? Not necessarily. Even if she goes mad... there are very few hints now, it will be done with a lot more subtlety. Damn D&D. I hope this destroys their careers but it won't
7 seasons: The main evil is Night King s08e03: ok so the main evil is Cersei s08e05: ok so the main evil is Denny And yeah I'm 100% sure that Arya can survive a nuclear explosion by this point
I agree that this season is poorly written, but Night King was not the main evil for all 7 seasons. During the first four seasons it was pure political.
mynameajeff the night king was the equivalent to thanos in the past 7 seasons. You can literally skip all the episodes with Snow on the wall or anything to do north of the wall. And you wouldn’t have missed a thing.
All im thinking about is how Khaleesi and Daenarys were the top girl's names a few years back, so now you have an entire generation of females named after a psychotic dragon Hitler.
The dumbest thing is she has been a bad person from day one...they did ruin her character development , but if you remember her character from the first few seasons she was an egomaniac obsessed with power and being queen at all costs and her social justice stuff was always self referential to be some messiah figure, even if the results where bad she wanted to feel like she was saving people by becoming queen and stirring the pot....but she wasnt all bad ofcourse and was human, but her egocentric idealism was a recipe for disaster which I couldn't wait to see. An earnest dreamer who caused more trouble than good, even with 'good' intentions. Her character arch to evil wasnt supposed to be becoming possessed out of nowhere...terrible execution Jon Snow was the better person and leader from day one. He was about realism and being guided by a code, not some divine right to throne by any means and free some slaves on the way to feel good
Arcos211 the books have forshadowed danys madness much better than the show did. Starting with her sack of Astapor which was super graphic and violent in the books compared to the show. Dany will go mad in the books it’ll simply be done more gradually and better
Swachchhanda Dahal they could have had her done 1-4 by the end of last season and this season be about her slowly spiraling out of control more nuanced but they just shoved this stupid shift into two episodes. What a waste of a good run.
Cersei rang the bells. She would have ruled by fear which is an unstable rule. Everyone at kings landing would have seen her as the one who killed the queen who gave up everything to ultimately protect her people. She was always hinted to be going mad. I saw her going mad at the end of everything, but I could have seen her being good too. Which means honestly that her character is diverse and well written.
John/Egon would be ruler. She come face to face with the place her father was killed and she was exiled for the first time. Also John broke up with her, she angry.
The fact that she did very little so far this season is not her fault. Lol. That’s good negotiation skills right there. Lena didn’t make the script. 🤷🏾♀️
I’m guessing Stannis suddenly deciding to kill Sheeren makes so much sense now, it was foreshadowing how they would destroy other character arcs in the future
I think he's another example of what GRRM intended clashing with D&D wanting to rush the show with their preferred vision. Stannis capturing Winterfell then being besieged later by the Walkers and facing the choice of sacrificing his Nissa Nissa (Shireen) or having humanity destroyed by the Walkers is a fitting scenario and challenge for Stannis. Does he choose Duty over Love or Honour, Stannis is the one character who just might choose Duty over the one thing he loves most in the world, the clash between choosing to kill an innocent child who he is actually attached to and choosing to doom all of humanity is actually compelling when in the hands of a character like Stannis who actually takes Duty seriously rather than just pretending to do so.
Episode 4: Super accurate Scorpion artillerymen Episode 5: Who am I? What am i doing on dis boat? Dragon? Should I shoot it? nah its fine. Ill just stand here. How about you guys on the wall? Nah its fine. We'll just hang around with our thumbs up our asses
@@jamessalvatore7054 Well, the difference is that this time, they didn't have the element of surprise. And if you actually watch Episode 4, you'll see that a LOT of those scorpion bolts missed without a hell of a lot of effort to maneuver around them from Dany and Drogon. With the element of surprise, they could aim without her already firing on them. Without that element, they couldn't.
@@missioncodez they can't move the scorpions that quickly the dragon had speed if you couldn't tell. Plus she saw the iron fleet first and just straight swooped down from behind
Tattooes can be reworked and undone, but think about these 8,7,6,5,4 even 3-year old girls named after this blood-thirsty, maniacal mass-murderer of a queen.
By far the worst case scenario for the legacy of this show! The final episode doesn't even matter now, they have already destroyed too many character arcs. It really is disappointing!!!
It’s amazing how much casualties Jon and Dany’s remaining army avoided when storming Kings Landing, also the Lannister Army forgot to fight as well XD!!!
Sad when you consider the Golden company was founded by Blackfyers (Targaran Bastards) that were banished from Westeros. Return from exile only to burn......
Also the writers are on record as saying the blue fire that undead viscerion could breath is hotter and stronger than normal Dragon fire, which is why it could bring the wall down. Its like D&D literally just thought "fuck our fans" this season
@@devanshdoshi3979 To be honest, with things hot enough to melt steel, and concrete like that (at least about >5000 degrees; you don't even need to touch the flames. If they are even near you, it will roast you alive simply from the surrounding heat dissipation. IE: Arya dead even more. And for the record, as for the ep3 Jon had flames whiz what, 1 foot over his head? At most 3? So yeah, even deader than dead.
@@doccomeau2770 I don't recall her ever killing millions of innocents throughout the story. Not even one innocent really. her reasons were always justified. This was right the fuck out of nowhere and by far the worst atrocity ever committed in game of thrones. Countless times worse than the Red Wedding. She has gone from a hero with some aggressive tendencies to the most evil villain in all of the series literally overnight.
@Vinicius Villela No because they butchered any resemblance of purpose he had left. If you don't believe me then answer me this. What is one useful and impactful thing he has done this season? They reduced him to an absolute moron who can only say three things. -"I don't want the throne" - "I Love You" -"You are my queen"
Jon started as a cardboard paladin, he still is a cardboard paladin. The most boring character in the show. In the books he is at least a bit arrogant, have some resentments about being a bastard, etc.. (and he can warg on his wolf at night, very rad stuff). The show had some glimpses of this deeper personality in the very beginning, but it was super short. So, the character remains the same boring paladin who is all about honor and shit. I can take that from Sean motherfucking Bean because the guy is a great actor and he was a dumb paladin for just 1 season. But this kind of stereotype for 8 goddamn seasons? Give me a break... Jon should remain dead. In fact, if GRRM resurrects him in the winds of winter book, I will drop it right there. I am sick and tired of this trope, goddamn martyrs are being used by religions and old legends since forever, literally thousands of years of repetition.
and the focus on arya is toooo fucking heavy. why did they not show jon how he walks around the city and sees the destruction? why do we focus on arya so mucH?
Proper conclusion to characters we've been invested in for 9 years? Nah Loads of shots of Arya getting fucked up by flying masonry which she manages to get up from every time? 👍
Two times she was unconscious and everyone around her was dead but she was fine af and gets a white horse in the middle of burning road. Truly a masterpiece show isn't it.
Only idiots name their children with weird names after pop culture fictional characters. It's a recipe for disaster. I'm more sorry about the children.
@Jack Reacher Tywin sacked Kings Landing at the end of Roberts Rebellion, Pycelle opened the gate for him and his army by convincing the Mad King the Lannisters were on his side. And his army murdered the shit out of everybody, pretty much like what happened in this episode.
Tim B What houses were they, genius? The majority got wiped out by the wights when winter came for those who weren’t fighting for Winterfell... The remaining men fought for Daenerys at Kings Landing, yet somehow managed to acquire such a large number, even after Greyjoy sunk a fleet at Dragonstone... It’s called inconsistent writing, nothing else.
For 7 and a half seasons, Jaime had an arc. You wouldn’t think it would be possible to ruin a 7 and half season-long arc, let alone in 1 episode. bUt tHeY diD iT
The Mountain vs The Hound was the only good part of this episode. At least the writers remembered they have a history and the fight was badass and did both characters justice.
D&D justified it by saying that it would give viewers a perspective of the damage done to the innocents if a favorite character was in the scene. As Jeremy said the subtlety of the show is done
Maulik Parekh That same thing was done in Battle of the Bastards with Jon, but it actually made sense, Jon almost died by being trampled, Arya survives a building falling on her and then a blast of dragon fire.
@@avxx0035 Yes, and the big difference is Jon was a part of that battle, he had to be in it, so that worked very well, here Arya just came to KL and on her way out got stuck in all that, and the fake tension build up of the building falling was just too much
@@maulikparekh776 I actually think they pulled that off, with the long, one take shots that put you in the middle of it all and kept you there for a while without pulling away. Say what you want about the writing and such, the directing of this episode was amazing.
“It’s like Jamie Lannister stabbed the mad king in the back, and the writers stabbed Jamie Lannister in the back” Jeremy’s lines like that are what keep me coming back
Tim B well yeah, but him being ”King of the north” and ”rightful heir to the Iron Throne” - Varys making THAT a big deal and takin’ dragon fire to the face ’cause of it - no one seems to give two flying f*cks about it. To the degree that raping soldiers even try to cut him down? ... Ya, that makes sense. His CHARACTER is worthless now and his word holds no sway. That’s the point here :D
“The writers gave *obvious* clues about Dany going Mad!” Yeah they also made you think the “Prince that was promised” was a thing and that the Night King actually had a purpose
They even fulfilled Cersei's prophecy by having Jaime's hand wrapped around her throat, then rocks fall everyone dies... except Cersei who's still alive down there only to have the life choked out of her by Jaime's hand being stuck where it was before the collapse... oops. Prophecy: fulfilled. Expectations: subverted. Fuck D&D.
From my perspective I understood that she judged that the only way to prevent the damage done through the Varys' letters of continual insurrection against her, not to mention the North supporting Jon, would be leaving everyone too terrified to oppose Daenerys. It makes total sense in the mentality of the Middle Ages and I believe it still does nowadays. Tywin Lannister himself completely annihilated the house of the Lord of Castamere and his people so that everyone would fear the Lannister house. The message is clear: Oppose me and I will not only destroy you but all your people.
@@ryanl9224 exactly, they surrendered. there was absolutely no reason for her to kill them if the only person she was angry with at this point was cersei. ridiculous character development
I'm confused. Do you think that's wrong somehow?... Ep4, she was in shock and just lost one of her children. Ep5, time has passed and she is going there specifically to destroy them.
yeahhh ... I actually liked this episode, that was the only point that made no sense to me .. I took a leap for everything else ... But scorpions who were so scary before .. Bronn one shots drogon .. euron one shots rhaegal .. then all of a sudden dozens of scorpions became useless ...
I really don't get why they stuck to the whole "13 episodes in the last two seasons" thing. After the rush job that was season 7 and the year break, you'd think they'd have the common sense to go back to 10 episodes. Then again, D&D have lacked common sense for a long time.
Why would you want more of this terrible writing? Even with only these six episodes they could have justified the characters actions better, but they chose to write the story like this! Time is not the issue, it's the writing.
@Lomax0506 agreed. I look forward to reading the books for better fulfillment but I'm a visual person and love filmmaking and television so this was a big let down and bad call on their part. It is what it is now.
Dany season 2 and 3: "I'm not my father." Barristan the Bold: "No, and thank the Gods for that your grace." Dany season 8: "LOL KILL ALL THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN!"
No problem with the ammount! But couldnt the fire be a little more realistic? And not have the destructive power of a nuclear missile or something? Thats a dragon and its mythical ok i accept that. But this is fire!
Amazing Cinematography!! However it made no sense why she killed all the civilians. She attacked the Red Keep last where Cersei obviously was!! Ser Jorah sacrificed himself for the genocide xD
All of the losses Dany suffered are what made her so unhinged. She lost Jorah, Missandei, and Jon rejected her love. It has all been leading up to this since season 1, the White Walkers were never the threat, it was all a red herring. All along Dany has been the one that would bring the reckoning.
@@aximili113 Exactly. That's the point. She's realized this and the acceptance of that is the moment the bells start ringing. She knew that even if she stopped it would be pointless. If she wants to rule she must spread that fear to solidify her claim.
Yeah and she said when she found out what happens to Dany she just wandered around the city empty for like four hours and I cannot blame her like gurl they dun ya dirty I mean they just completely ruined the arcs of like all of the people Jaime arc - fucked Dany arc - fucked Jon arc - fucked Arya arc - I mean I suppose this one isn't ruined but it's a little disappointing as of yet Tyrion arc - kinda ruined because he's been a teensy weensy bit of a big fat retard for a while Sansa and Sandor are the only ones they haven't completely fucked but 2/6 ain't great ya know what I'm sayin
LittleBrownKid Yh writings gone to shit sad that one of the best shows I’ve watched fucked it up In the last season. Bronns our only hope of a good king now
@@MaciejBogdanStepien That would be very f*cked up... Misleading D&D would make him as badass as one of his own charakters haha (Sry for probably bad english :/)
They saw her coming with the fleet before. This time there was no fleet, and she came in hiding from cloud cover. Logic...you need to apply it to be able to discuss it
@@clash79 There is no logic to apply here. This is dumb and dumber cutting corners to save money and end this as fast as possible. Not surprised honestly from the asshats who sewed deadpools mouth closed.
Yeah.... This shit is awful. No consistency even within the episode. Red Keep would have been loaded with scorpions to take down the dragon. That is what Cercei would do. Lure her in the the keep and then reveal 30 scorpions.
no they remember, they made a lady go limp unconcius when just slashed across the back by a sword while she is trying to save her daughter with Arya. but Jamie is stabbed twice and he can finish a fight, navigate a burning collapsing building and climb some stairs, walk with Cersei to the crip from the map room, and still have a moment of dialogue *NO BIGGIE*. he still has 2 scenes left he cant die yet.
@@ansuz5903 yea i feel like they added some type of healing mush and plants and magic when she was unconscious. Wasnt she passed out for many days or something?
Crimson Typhoon Arya getting stabbed in the gut 3-4 times was much much much worse then Jamie’s wounds. Arya also swam in salt water, ran around a city with open wounds, and fell 20 feet down stone steps later on.
@@lich109 so what stop nitpicking you fucking tool and just enjoy the ride 😂😂😂 she's still a fucking kid what the fuck you expect she just got thrown like 10 feet in the air,you ever been in war ? You ever heard of shellshocked ? Shit happens and your plans go out the window
Its not that most people have a problem with Daenerys' turn as the "mad queen", who kills the innocent indiscriminately. It is that the turn was unearned and too abrupt. You don't ever see the gradual erosion of either her sanity or her moral code. It is a narrative non sequitur. It simply does not logically follow that if Daenerys shows no mercy to villainous rulers, slavers, soldiers, and their acolytes, then therefore it is only small step to extend her penchant for violence to the deliberate targeting and slaughter of noncombatant men, women, and children. There is vast chasm between those two behaviors that the writers never bridged. It would be like Batman, after a few tragedies in one issue of a comic book, going from simply killing criminals, to in the next issue of the comic book beating up the women and children who happened to live in the same neighborhood as the criminal. No comic book reader would buy it, just as the vast majority of critical viewers did not buy Daenerys' transformation.
I disagree. We've seen hints that she lost care for people even in S7. When it comes to the Throne she would take it no matter the cost. In S7 after the destruction of the Greyjoys fleet via Euron, she was seriously contemplating going and torching King's Landing. Daenerys always had some ruthlessness and coldness and slowly as seasons went by it stopped being towards criminals and more towards innocents. One other thing, we could always see a similarity between characters and their beasts (like the stsrks and their direwolves) at least in my opinion (not 100% similarity but just some). Drogon burned that baby, a symbol of pure innocence and Dany couldnt control him. Now she burns innocents and the closest to her couldnt stop her. Whereas we've seen scenes of direwolves saving (with Sam) or helping out and not so much biting or harming innocents. Although i admit this thought process is a stretch. Point being, the closer Dany got to the Throne the more ruthless she got. And u could see before she decided to burn the city she just is filled with anger about what the former King Bobby and Queen Cersei did in attempts to murder her. These mad targareryn inbred bastards can never control their anger anyway. This isnt in response to you, but i find it funny that Jeff mentions Grey Worm killing innocents (wasnt it Lannister soldiers tho?) like that should be any surprise. These castrated killers are the coldest in the realm, their initation involves infanticide and that says enough (plus they killed Ms Sunday so i could see why hes so filled with anger)
@@zakmohamed1140 If she lost care for the people, why did she help Jon fight the Night King? Is it because solely because of her love for Jon, or she knows if the Night King succeeds in taking the lands of Westeros, she will have nothing to rule over?. What @Drake Santiago made sense, people don't mind a Mad Queen, but the way she becomes one in EP5 is so dumb is not even funny.
@@zCopyCatz There was no other choice than to kill the night king (yeah she would have nothing at all to rule over). And it got personal after Viserion too. She was always somewhat mad and she didnt turn mad this episode. Its that whole "Wake up the dragon" thing. Its fine if people dony like how they did it but i just think its incorrect to say it came out of nowhere and they did this just to do a big shock.
@MANDOxCOMMANDOx true but heres another thing to look at. Ever since she came to Westeros she did lose love from the people (cuz her dumb ass was burning people alive) and u could see in the beginning of the episode she just doesnt care anymore. The people dont matter to her at all. She knows she has no love from them
I actually think Jaime's death was very fitting, and his dumbass attempt to save Cersei was in character. He has put up with countless horrors for Cersei. The only reason he left her was because she threatened to kill him. He didn't even seem that bothered by it. It was like going to the grocery store after a fight to cool off. Plus, he has been in an incestuous relationship with his twin sister, with whom he created children. I think it is safe to say that he is not very mentally stable. Also, Cersei dying in a frantic panic as she is helpless to do anything but wait for death, was a perfect way to go. Jaime's dumbass crawling back to her to fruitlessly calm her down was icing on the cake. The only character development Jaime had was becoming more reluctant to carry out horrors for Cersei. He developed a sense of honor, and something of a code of ethics, but none of that ever surpassed his love for Cersei. This is true even up to the moment he left her. As I said before, he only decided to leave when she chose to give the order to kill him. In their insane world, that is like a bad fight, not a total falling out.
@@blakekendall5203 THANK YOU! Somone actually sees this. He always wanted to die with her, to exit the world as they entered it. She is the only one he has ever truly loved other than Tyrion, the only one he was passionate about. She was stripped from her defenders one by one, reduced to a scared child. It was fitting. Those who wanted some gorefest don't understand Jaime's true character arc.
R S Well Cersei called him the stupidest Lannister and this shows his blind love and ignorance is what got him killed in the end it wasn’t an awful way for him to go but there were much better ways
Cersei's death was fitting, one by one all her walls were broken until she was crying and terrifies and then everything collapsed on her, it works literally and metaforically
Daenerys went from season 1 Walter White to season 5 Heisenberg in three episodes. Mad Queen was comin’ but they rushed the finish line without a doubt.
But if they played it like breaking bad would it have been a shock? The whole point is this great hero we all loved and followed fell from grace. This was supposed to hurt us not be something we can see a mile away. And it's not like she was Jon snow. Danny is not innocent, she's a ruthless warlord. Just be ayer she kills people we don't like doesn't make her incapable of killing innocents we do like.
@@DoubleO88 Not everything has to be a shock, that mentality is the exact reason why D&D fucked the series. A slow descent into madness and a consistent character arc is good writing rather than just pointless shock value
DoubleO88 So, Cersei has been an evil character her whole arc... Yet Daenerys has killed more innocent people than she ever has... Justify that, go ahead.
@@kevinscott3047 Honestly, Daenerys' descent into madness wouldn't have been so jarring if they gave it a full season to develop. It made sense that it would happen, but I wish it was better earned.
@@advenassaurus5670 Because it simply betrays its characters. Nobody's actions make sense. Dany's descent into madness and killing everyone in King's Landing made no sense. Cersei was the one who killed Missandei. Dany had always taken revenge on those who wronged her or others but never lashed out on innocent people. Her choosing to kill everyone came out of literal nowhere. Jaime going back to Cersei goes completely against his character arc. The whole point of him leaving Cersei last season was that he realized how insane she was but lol nope he just goes back to Cersei and is even still in love with her. Wtf? Arya completely abandoning her revenge against Cersei after one conversation with the Hound. All the time spent in Bravos is such a waste now. The writers only did this for cheap shock value and it did worked on me as I was shocked at just how shit of writers they are.
@@kevinscott3047 Judging by the quality of the writing, I don't think they could have come up with 7 more episodes for those seasons. You could clearly see them struggle with what lines to give to some characters as it is. Cercei had like 13 lines this season. Tyrion, Varys, Cercei and Littlefinger were the most intelligent and interesting characters of the show, but have been sidelined and reduced in quantity and quality of dialogue they provide. Martin screwed everyone over lol.
I've known that she'd go mad for a while. She's been distrustful of her people for a while and she doesn't really care about breaking the wheel. She's literally lost everything
She had been power hungry for a while now. 2 dragons killed. Best friend executed. Advisors betraying her. Jon reveals his secret then denying her. Yup, her going mad made sense
It’s funny cuz this comment made me think of how GoT is doing this vs how ATLA did this same thing with Azula but soooo much better. Azula’s breakdown happened over like what 3 episodes? We saw how power hungry she was, we saw her backstory with an abusive father, she was always trying to prove that she was the better sibling and a better ruler, then she did enough conquering and fighting to win the throne. But once she got the throne the power went to her head and she went crazy as her psyche shattered under the weight of her past and her new position. Azula’s downfall was also rushed but the ATLA directors turned it into a hauntingly beautiful tragedy of a young girl hungry for power. GoT just didn’t do that with Dany, they didn’t have the nuance or the capability to show how Missandei’s death and Jorah’s death haunted her and how that coupled with Jon’s truth is what pushed her over the edge.
@@mrorangepeel659 She never killed civilians, When her dragon killed a single child by mistake, she locked her dragons up in a dungeon for several years.
Her mental ‘snapping’ was too out of character to be believable. There were no signs of a capacity to do such a destructive moral 180. From “I want to rid tyrants” to “I’m burning thousands alive?” No. Too much.
