Game of Thrones: War of the Five Kings & Battle of Oxcross 299 AC 

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"For some reason, the humans realized that the White Walkers could probably maintain a siege for 500 years if they wanted to, and chose to bait them into an assault. For some reason, this was never explained to the audience."

same with battle of ice

Uhhh..

The Lannisters send their regards

Lol should we tell him😏

@@ephraimboateng5239 Tell me what? I hope nothing bad happens to DA KING IN DA NORF! (srsly tho i know what happens...)

@@user-yi4de4tb4i Username checks out!

I bet three quarters of the ideas of Robb are Brynden's ones XD The Lannisters thought they fought a young impulsive 16 years old boy, while in fact they fought a seasoned fifty years old man ^^

Yep, if Blackfish have been commander entirely of Stark/Tully army instead Robb/Edmure, they would win the war.

@@henryhenriquez8526 He could not be at two places at the same time ^^ And Robb seems to follow his advices, so he's not to blame for disasters. The only problem in battles were the mills one and... Yeah, Edmure is to blame, but Brynden and Robb too, if they had tell him WHY he have to stay put in Riverrun, he would never think to fight Tywin outside of Riverrun ^^'

do you mean the blackfish?

@@jhondahl3111 Yes

Peak Rob.

It’s better then 3 defeats - Robb Stark

"it's better loosing one arm than one head" - Jaime L. "----------------" - guy with wulf head formerly known as King N.

Kinda cringe bro

Thought I smelled a Frey in the comments

He did send his mother to Renly with whom she struck a successful alliance which would have finished the Lanisters. Unfortunately, they couldn't predict that Stannis would send a shadow to kill Renly.

Theon Greyjoy...

He also send Theon back to his father and let them take the north in front of his nose.fucking dumbass who give away hostage

@@danny90099 Catelyn, whatever her flaws did warn him against this.

Too bad Northmen lacked anyone else they would follow as a king/queen. Imagine Robb doing the one ly thing he was really good at (leading an army), while someone with much higher Diplo stat makes strategic decisions. Hell, he should've been smart enough to name a Hand just for that.

It’s kinda lost during the show, but Jaime was actually a captive in Robb’s camp for over two years. At least in the show, Jamie seems so diminished after captivity.

@@ericgrimes341 What, seriously? I thought he was only a captive for a few months.

​@@iceace4277In Season 3 he mentioned to Brienne that he was held captive for over a year

exactly

Well the writer didn't write the Battle of Winterfell, the Showrunners did

@@MajorMlgNoob Oh weallyyyyy? We didn't know that!

What about the king beyond the Wall?

Antonín Vodvárka I think north of the wall is considered separate from the rest of Westeros. Even then mance didn’t participate in the war

Yeah but it takes time for Renly's death to spread which is why the smallfolk take to calling it the War of the Five Kings. They believe Renly is still alive and they just recently heard of Balon's crowning.

@Alex your rigour sir is legendary

@@phrophetsamgames In the books the common folk believe that Renly's ghost rose and fought at the blackwater, so there's that to take in too.

Fallout Fjorn This is still early season stuff, about as safe as you can get for the moment. Plus, he's using book info to flesh it out and that will always win you points in this fandom.

@@The_Sigillite agreed. Funny how content creators on RU-vid do a better job of bringing life GRRM's work than Dumb and Dumber

They go based off the books I think

Dumb and Dumber,Ahhahahahahahahahahaha

Bold indeed. But we will take any baz over no baz

Well it was edmures fault because tywin was going to defend his land except at the stone mill edmure pushed him back and robb was going to bring tywin to Lannis port then because the starks where mounted he was going to get around him and trap him in the west. But because edmure didnt know this and stopped the crossing giving time for word of Stannis attack on kings landing to reach him so he turned his army around. So of edmure didnt stop the crossing Stannis would have taken kings landing and robb would have trapped tywin in the west.

@@seankirby8892yeah but since he didn't explain it to edmure he is partly to blame.

@UCyWP_ou-tng-WqHPRmnddvQ To be fair, Edmure was most likely ordered to remain and defend Riverrun. His marching out on his own to claim his own victory and glory is perfectly in line with his character. Robb's failing was relying on a man that he had very little personal experience with.

@@bmomgrimm6242 that's true except he told him to hold riverrun not to go fight battles

Sean Kirby it was Robb’s fault for not informing Edmure of his plan to trap Tywin in the Westerlands. He should’ve anticipated that Edmure would fight Tywin if he came back through the Riverlands.

How could they do something so controversial yet so brave

Shut up, idiot. I’ve been waiting for this one!

ASOIAF is eternal

@@AdamOfEverywhere eternally spoiled

well, actually this video is based on the books so...

Kings & Generals have covered the Battle of the Bastards, so now I want see the real Battle of Ice with Stannis going Alexander Nevsky on everyone asses.

@@strikemasterice2004 Hell yeah to that, the Night Lamp strategy is going to be awesome

@@strikemasterice2004 Hope in the end he will not die offscreen.

Weary Hoss Are you knees frozen fool? Bend the knee for King Stannis!

I hope they do cover the book version. The show battles have been shite.

except he didn't it was in the great hall of a host's castle.

@@9822703 i think he's talking bout twyin

@@9822703 *He lost the war the day he married her.*

@LagiNaLangAko23 Yes, it would have been suspicious if Edmure let Tywin cross unimpeded, but stopping the Lannisters dead in their tracks was really bad fortune.

if you think about it if edmure didnt do that the House lannister would have dissapeared as a great house

Wasn't Tywins army, it was just Gregor Clegane's troops.

In the earlier seasons they didn't actually show that many of the battles in detail, just the aftermath out whatever because they had decent dialogue and scripts. Later seasons: big battles with crap dialogue, long, beautiful shots with NOTHING said and nonsensical tactics.

@@ranica47 Yeah, lets just march on a strong castle with only half the numbers and hope I won't ambushed or surrounded. Brilliant!

Rather a well written battle off-screen than what we got post season 4

Great comment

A man has no name

Cringe

KrimzonStriker absolutely, 100% agree with you

When a rebel stack spawns on your low maintenance army

What is this a reference to, friend?

@@dawn-blade Europa Universalis 4

Fookin Ai Rebels. Spawning under my training units.

Yeah I really hope they continue

Pre season 7 battles are great.

Except season 8 battles

Ardan Da King In Da Norf!

I was as well just yesterday????

It's a shame that we didn't get a real video, just this bollocks instead (and I say that as a GoT fan). There is no need for these silly videos, why can't we get real history instead? This channel has lost so much ground to Kings and Generals, History Marche etc. despite once being the King, and it's taking no steps to regain what it once had.

@@ChrisDynamo going to have to disagree with you chief. Baz battles is still the kind of storytelling.

@@felixblack1106 Bullshit. Making cop out videos about a few vague lines in a book trying to pander to GoT fans, they're the kings of nothing. Your second sentence makes me believe that you're a youtube history channel casual, because there's a plethora of now superior channels. I'll list the shit out of them for you if you're looking for enlightenment.

@@ChrisDynamo Well I mean Kings and Generals do Game of Thrones vids as well and we all still love that channel, Bazbattles still usually does historical battles so there's nothing wrong really

There is no storyline to follow if he goes by the series

What? People expect him to do this kind of video for, say the Battle of the Bastards? There's literally no background to any of the series' original battles, so rest easy.

Just started reading the first book, is it worth reading all of them?

@@lickylick6483 Yes, the books have much more content and are better written than the TV Show.

This one battle wasn't in the show, so here's your answer

He didn't want to destroy Tywin, he wanted to trap him; in fact Edmure's instructions was to retreat to the side and let Tywin pass, then snap the blockade of the Westerlands shut BEHIND Tywin, this would mean that if Tywin wanted to defend King's Landing from Stannis he would've had to face all of the Riverlords behind him, and Robb Stark in front of him in the Westerlands. It's not really an ambush, more like encirclement which would've been absolutely catastrophic (bear in mind, Tywin didn't actually know that Stafford's army was defeated at Oxcross, Tywin probably thought he could surround Robb Stark with one army to the West of him, and his army to the East; instead Stafford Lannister was dead and Robb and the Riverlords wanted to trap Tywin. He was very lucky that it was Edmure and not the Blackfish that was commanding the army in front of him.

Nah. It was a strategic error sending Theon Turncloak. If he doesn't send him away he keeps his hostage and keeps Winterfell and keeps Jaime as prisoner. That single decision cost him everything.

@@Wizard434 To be fair, the fault lies in Balon Greyjoy for thinking he would actually have a chance to subjugate the Northern Lords rather than just joining the combined attacks against the Lannisters who were far wealthier and had a very small navy compared to them or Stannis Baratheon. And to be fair, at least he knew the Lannisters had no honor and would probably let him keep his stolen lands, but if the North/Stannis won they would've forced him to return any stolen Lannister territory.

You can't blame Edmure. Robb did not inform him about the big plan. Edmure did what he thought was the right thing to do. In the end, Robb lost because he was in a losing position from the start. You cannot expect everything to go according to plan.

No he wouldn't have....

He sealed his own fate breaking the marriage pact and alienating the Karstarks.

Yeah its funny how all of you destroy your love for the series just because some things were not like you wanted.

Laszlo Official The fact that you can critique something shows how much you love it. Season 8 was not good, that’s a fact. You can like it if you want, but objectively the writing was bad.

@Ghostkripp true. But there are a lot with the same opinion ... in this case, how many opinions do you need until it's a fact?

@@jorgeferreira2009 an Impossible number of opinions. Regardless of how many people agree with you, the quality of art is relative and there can never be a factual definition as to whether it is good or bad.

@@otterhero6229 can't argue with that. I guess that people were just disappointed on how things turned out, but hey; it was 8 seasons and truth be told, it was still a great show.

Then Stannis would have taken Kingslanding and Robb could marry Margery and Edmure to the Frey girl. The Frey's would still see it as a slight on Robb's part but his first born son could marry a Frey and take her as his queen and everything would be cool for the most part

The move that lost the war.

Although, yes, I agree that lack of communication was indeed a problem, however, Robb also couldn’t risk sending a raven from where he was at towards Edmure to tell him those plans. Note that these strategic plans would have been made directly after Catelyn returned to Robb from her diplomatic mission down south and no one else knew the info she was bringing. And no one had expected Stannis to defeat his brother and absorb his army to then immediately make a move on King’s Landing. Only Catelyn possessed this info she was giving to Robb. So if Robb had sent a message telling Edmure the new plan with Stannis to rush King’s Landing while Tywin was distracted, the Lannister forces could have shot down any raven or rider sent. If that happened, the Lannisters would have discovered this new information too and it would have immediately been reported up the Lannister chain-of-command to Tywin. Thus, the plan would have been ruined even without Edmure doing anything. You have to understand that the logistics of communication back when militaries had no radios, no satellites, and no telegrams was a hell of a lot more difficult back then than it is now. Any messages sent out had a lot more risk of being intercepted and never even making it to their intended destination. So communication from the field (especially if in hostile territory) all the way back to base was not only difficult, but specific details must also be left out in case of interception. In the end though, this event was supposed to show that mistakes happen in war, even if they were well-intentioned mistakes. What unfortunately got cut from the show though was the scene where Robb Stark openly praises Edmure Tully in front of the court as a war hero for his brave actions in driving off The Mountain and saving Riverrun. But then when all the other vassals and subjects are no longer around them, that’s when Robb reprimands Edmure in private for messing up their plans. This was supposed to symbolize how a leader is intended to act with their followers: *To openly praise your subordinates in public for their actions, where they can be seen by others; but to criticize them for their faults in private, so they will learn and not be publicly humiliated.*

his orders were to hold Riverrun. Edmure sought glory and left the defenses of the castle and attacked Tywin. communication was clear. Riverrun was the castle. the Riverlands is the region.

@@9822703 Edmure did it in the books because Tywin's men were butchering women and children. Riverrun was full of refuges who lost their homes to Tywin and The Mountain. He attacked Tywin because he felt it was his job to defend his land and his people

@@gfilmer7150 not denying that, but most of the riverlords were sent home to reclaim their lands which is why holding riverrun isn't a hard task to understand. edmure not having enough men pulled the garrison from the twins to aid in his battle of the fords which was an unnecessary. The battle risked soldiers they could not afford to lose. had he lost that would have been a whole new disaster. however, he ventured out first for vengeance as he was humiliated during the first siege of Riverrun where he was captured. this time he seeks glory and Catelyn questions his judgement. not blaming him 100 percent. The orders were obvious and his mistake wasn't the battle necessarily but the removal of the garrison from the Twins to do battle.

@@9822703 They were, I'm just saying he wasn't a complete douche like in the show

Damn Lannisters and their plot armor !

They lost because Robb betrayed the trust of a notoriously scheming, backstabbing family whom he relied on for safe passage into the south

Unfortunately for us Stark lovers this is a story smh plot had to save Tywin and all of em but if this was real yeah there’s no way the Starks woulda lost.

No the problem was that Robb's goals were too ambitious. No way to hold thenorthand tje riberlands

​@@leonpaelinck Lysa and Balon not supporting this war for independence on the side of Robb was the biggest issue. If Robb had a larger support base, from people who SHOULD have supported them - then he would have won. But GoT is character focused rather than warfare/kingdom management focused

Yep he was always stupid

Cousin marriages were pretty common in nobility.

Tywin was married to his cousin Joanna Lannister

Christian Vennemann I always assumed that Mance was supposed to be shoehorned into the discussion.

Agreed, they way his men cut down the mamoths and shouted Stannis' name when they won... Still gives me chills. The good kind.

Good job man 👍

wow what a achievement! 15 mintus jeez

Haha

Tancred de Hauteville valar dohaeris, good ser

Haha season eight is big bad! Valar Dohaeris

Valar Dohaeris

Valar dohearis

Yes! Decimated - it's in the word folks - means killing one in ten, not routing.

Omg same, i just started earlier this morning a AWOIAF run

This is from the books not from the shit show.

Thanks Richard the lion heart

It's not over yet. New opponents are entering the game.

Like some of the Egyptian wars or some fights about Hannibal

D&D: We kinda forgot about scouts and reconnaissance being a thing