GAME SINS | Everything Wrong With L.A. Noire 

I was thinking the exact same thing, when he claimed they were called banks. I was like... He couldn't be that ignorant, how does he not know that check cashing places exist, just to cash checks?

Yeah the guy has no clue such places exist. Must be nice to never had money problems in life.

When you realise the scripts are written, and read, by rich kids. Who don't seem to do much if any basic research on their critiques.

@@Bound4Earth Maybe he‘s from a country where they don‘t exist. They sure as hell don‘t exist in my country. I actually never heard about checks in teal life ever, I only heard about them from American movies.

@@mojabaka I don't think so. Hardly matters he is sinning a place in the USA. So he did no research. But i think he's from the US or Canada regardless.

Only around a hundred people watch him on twitch. Of course he’s going to promote his twitch channel

But then I'd have to watch twitch.....

"That's absurd! You've got no evidence to prove that statement!" -Dartigan

I follow him on Twitch, his streams have been hilarious so far.

@@MrDalisclock Therein lies the problem.

Warrants are mentioned in 4A, but for the longest time 4A only applied to the Federal Government. And practically speaking, a lot of this stuff got ignored when you were dealing with the young, poor, uneducated, immigrants, or people of color.

Yeah when I mentioned that on twitch it got ignored.

@@GAshoneybear Pretty much confirming that Dartigan never listens to criticism when we catch on his mistakes

@@samuelbrunkow7737 yeah imagine how much cops get caught lying and realize how much tech we have to catch them lying didn't exist in 1947. The only narrative was the cops' narrative unless the cops were so incompetent to be bastards in front of everyone

Clearly something existed back then as the game makes a point to mention and at least a couple times even if it does get hand-waved

Same here the first time playing through the game I just thought the whole affair was a set up job

Same the way he was portrayed up till then made me think this was all just a misunderstanding but when he didn't disagree to those claims I was shocked in a way, disappointed too.

When he was tailing her first I thought he would question her more, or make an argument about "making the world better" and get some character development and maybe some backstory for elsa, even if he got with her, more scenes of the interacting and connecting would make a huge difference

Phelps should've framed his wife for all those fires in the most sigma male move

I totally thought it was going to be a red herring, too

Lmao final boss, Phoenix Wright

The final boss: *Binger* too ez

omg yes xD

Also gets dumb when even the game points out that size 8 is significantly smaller than average for an adult man. Seriously, where was the sin about the astronomical odds of half a dozen being connected to the case and ALL of them having baby-feet?

This is only an issue if you assume it's coincidence, but it isn't. Mason has size 8 feet. He's a serial killer, and a clever and well-planned one at that. He only kills women that have men in their lives that have his shoe size and a shaky alibi on the night he kills them so that he can frame them for it.

Like Dartigan, I was noticing all the inconsistencies such as that and were never addressed. I was good at this game because of Phoenix Wright of all things.

@@Cmbtsnpr if you review who exactly he frames, this plot makes even less sense since to know and frame those fellas he needed to be omnipresent and deity-like. The whole subplot is incredibly poor and r3tаrded

One guy had size 11 that was the 1st guy to the wife in the beginning of The Homicide Desk. The Red Lipstick Murder. Wife Celine Henry & Husband Poor Long Suffering Jacob Henry. Then Celine's Side Piece/Dude Alonzo Mendez.

Yeah it’s dark to think for a rockstar game because if I look at it correctly gta V optional final mission death actually tied up loose ends even red dead did that although in all fairness Jack seeking revenge is satisfying but it really makes you think of the consequences of killing an retiree agent🤔

It's almost as if these videos are entirely subjective and not really criticising the game in any serious manner. One could go so far as to call it satire.

It’s mostly just a joke, he’ll go “that’s why this game is bad” and then 5 later minutes will remove a sin and say “the reason I love this game”

I hate this game

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Yeah, that one line still makes me laugh to this day 😂😂😂😭😭😭

Best character in the game

I wouldn't hear it neither, checks are things of the past in my country.

@@djmindcrasher well it’s a good thing it’s set in 1940?????

Yes, exactly! Many cases from this time period went unsolved specifically because of a lack of procedures that would preserve evidence. In one case that I remember reading about, the media showed up to the crime scene first and took evidence while trampling all over taking pictures. Journalists would even answer the phone in the police station!

Dartigan is really like cinemasins, he does 0 research and sins whatever he feels like in the most retarded way

@@Kommiekiller I give cinemasins a pass here because they intentionally dgaf, which is fine. I hold everybody else on point with knowing the details of whatever they sin, because they're presented more as pointing out inconsistencies over being jokey about what they don't like.

@mrcristofer 2013 It pretty much tells you that by the people asking for a warrant and the detectives interrogating, breaking in and searching whatever they want without one

Right, the fact that he ignores the 1950s era and pretends like it was no different then 2010/2020. I was looking forward to a good picking apart, but one of his sins was literally Check cashing place, you mean bank... This man doesn't know that check cashing places exist. You could remove at least have of this sins if not more because he just tears at surface level shit and ignores parts of the story to make other sins exist. For example, the killer was sabotaging some of the places where the clues were hidden, he missed that part in the story and talks about Cole not being Indiana Jones, like wtf are you talking about. They clearly called the clues a test and it started with a rigged chandelier. This game has so many flaws, but this video was infuriating because he glanced over a lot of them to talk about stuff that should have been included like police brutality. At least half of his sins can be explained and easily taken away.

@ Porras It’s like he doesn’t understand basic time period answers, like does he really think a game set in a period that was 71 years has any detective bearing before now??? Damn I know this is for comedy but his other sins videos are better at sinning.. guess he don’t like time era accurate games..

@@Jwatchdizzledrip3003 But its still inconsistent because they reference that fingerprints were removed with gasoline, meaning that the game is saying that fingerprints ARE relevant in that time period.

Except fingerprinting existed for decades at this period and they totally had a register. The game even refers to it by stating that BD killed soaked the letter in gasoline to erase the prints.

Honestly, I don't think so given the amount of police brutality and corruption that was actually true during that time period. The cops got away with a lot of beating of suspects, framing, persecution of minorities, and other activities. The game doesn't really exaggerate it for its time period.

@@CT_Phipps If anything, it soft pedals it. James Ellroy and Joseph Wambaugh made long-lived, successful writing careers out of exploiting the corruption and brutality of the LA PD, and they were hardly alone at it.

I'm glad someone else knows what these are. They are literally just places to cash checks lol. Game Sins guy must be too young to remember them, or he grew up in a neighborhood that didn't have them.

@@Seoul_Soldier too rich to need them

@@williameedubsix Yeah. Those are usually in inner city urban areas. I didnt step foot in a bank until I was about 20 lol

@@Seoul_Soldier I presume then that nowadays, those cash checking locations have been merged in with banks.

@@Zynet_Eseled nah there’s plenty of check cashing places in my state still

OMG it's driving me CRAZY

and "Vij in ettes" at the 8:15 mark. It's "vin yets"

It's Juicehead all over again.

Lol that facial capture tech was really fancy in 2011 but it did look extremely awkward at times

@@evryfckinnameistaken I remember it looking creepily real and it is still quite impressive in it's ways but "experimental" should definitely be one of the keywords lol

To be fair. His complaint isn’t solely that they break procedure and the law, it’s that there are seemingly no consequences. In the real world, even at that time, if an attorney made an argument in court based on a serious breach of the law and/or a defendant’s rights, it could get the whole case thrown out. Attorneys were still zealous advocates, even back then.

"Unlike today's police" *insert murders of George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, etc*

@@jlev1028 the killer of geroge floyd is currently rotting in prison. You can't say justice wasn't given for that.

@@mappingshaman5280 lol this didnt age well, also yipee ONE crooked murdering cop got sentenced out of hundreds.

Now ask yourself, in the decade since this game was released, have we decreased or INFINITELY INCREASED the number of open world and sandbox games?

@@TheStormbringer8751 We have to thank Ubisoft for creating the trend of mass producing pointless open world games without any depth whatsoever. And microtransactions too.

I say keep the open world and fill it with more stuff to do. Random encounters rdr2 style and what not. Make it a TRUE open world

The sequel should have a better story and better main character

The development was an absolute mess. The game director was a petty asshole.

Giving subtlety backhanded praise *ding*

that describes almost every video I watch.

Facts

there was supposed to be a game similar to it set in china but it got scrapped or something

If I remember correctly, the studio that Rockstar sub contracted to help with this game went belly up a few years ago, so any sequel has been abandoned.

@@pretends2know true but rockstar did purchase the rights to it and took over development when it went into development hell.

Pretty sure that cutscene automatically happens

Luckily my size is 11

Honestly... having "bi-polar disorder and short term memory problems" as a canon part of his character would have been a funny way of explaining why he makes so many dumb mistakes.

I always got a kick out of doubting someone just because of how bat shit crazy Cole would be

Cole making an all of a sudden aggressive comment just to say "I'm sorry, it was a mistake, carry on."... Okay...

Yeah Brendan McNamara thinks he is a genius writer and it shows in the story full of massive holes. Hell it shines down on everything that piece of shit did when he ran Team Bondi into the ground.

Gamespot actually wrote an article that shows how Cole passes the personality test for a psychopath. I have no idea how to post links on RU-vid but you can just search “is Cole Phelps a psychopath” and find it

damn and its 45 minutes too😂😂

@@Intentionallyfrogged I ain’t even notice

Or in this game, none of them matter, unless a star rating is included in that. Nothing in the game changes based on any choice made.

Red dead redemption 2.

he's probably a rich kid.

He means adding things that shouldn’t be there that violate police protocol

It's sort of implied that the affair is exaggerated by the higher ups to better smear Phelps and adultery technically was a criminal offense in the 40s. The demotion was both to take him off Vice and bury the investigation and try and keep him out of the way until the trial and they could properly fire him

@@jameswest6232 Considering it is one the major plotpoints, maybe they should have done a bit more than just implying it.

Every cop probably cheated on his wife there. It was just that Cole got caught (by the cops).

A demotion sorta makes sense. Using him to cover up other issues doesn't, as the game never establishes him as a celebrity cop the papers would give a shit about, certainly to that extent. And as to other police officers treating as a pariah and refusing to shake his hand over infidelity... yeah. That's probably a leftover of when the script had Cole framed for the Morphine heist (mostly a theory, there's not like an interview from a developer that confirms that)

u miss elasa character she is a) german b) a drug addict Anti german resentiments were big in the 40s and he could support her addiction by stealing drugs while on duty (happend in reality) . THose things would make him a risk at vice so getting rid of him is sensical

I liked when remasters do that too. I think what would’ve fixed his complaints about them in this game is that some of them should have remained optional while others seemed to be very poorly placed in the campaign. That last DLC case being shoehorned in during the game’s finale definitely feels out of place.

Imagine a second one .. the game is so fkn good

Shit that’s the first time I see someone mention the saboteur. Honestly one of the best games I’ve ever played

yeah that was a great one! soundtrack was really good as well.

@@thoohtofficial3132 I would love a remaster of that.

Why would he sin that? It's awesome, a win not a sin.

(X) Doubt

*A C C U S E*

@@Callum-M. you got proof?

I miss when he was more like CinemaSins. I don't know why he changed his style from self-aware satire into cynical bitching but it has definitely hurt the quality of the content

@@OversoulGaming Definitely agree with that.

@@OversoulGaming I personally think this content is better

@@Shantae1188 I do too, but sometimes he could follow the Kevin idea of "Why use lot words when few words do trick?"

@@Shantae1188 Some people prefer true pessimism over tongue-in-cheek comedy I guess. But I don't see how, all he does is complain anymore. He barely removes sins either. He's ruined the whole point of this. It's supposed to be funny and stupid not serious. Ever since Kingdom Hearts though he's kind of turned into a crotchety old grouch and all he ever does now is complain

It gives away a plot twist

Some real life for you. Most people dont like being accused of something they did but ALOT of people make themselves look guilty even if they're innocent

@@WSFMontana nah its just to confuse the player with a possible red-haring.

@@edgarallanpwned6666 ohhhhhh. Shit I've never even played this game lol, but I always wanted to be a detective...... When i was younger tha is

Because the serial killer framed people who the evidence would point right towards, usually the victims’ spouses or other people they had tumultuous relationships with. Those suspects knew the evidence pointed right at them (even though they were innocent) and they were understandably nervous. At least one of them openly said that they knew the detectives wouldn’t believe them.

I like the game too men. It's something different, and it's fun especially the homicide cases.

@@ivanasukjadic1423 Like how the Soviet Union "liberated" Eastern Europe from Nazi control and set up Communist puppet states there?

Same

Noire existed long before this game did.

And that's if the cops even wanted to COMMUNICATE with you at all sometimes.

Back then fingerprint and blood type evidence was the best forensic evidence they had to offer because DNA tech was still 50 years away, they had entire divisions consisting of hundreds or even thousands of civilian employees within the PD whose job was to spend their days hunting through fingerprint cards with a magnifying glass to find a match. If the cops had that against you along with a weapon and a good motive then it was a pretty short trip for most defendants from court to the gas chamber in california.

To me, Homicide needed one case not linked to the same killer. Deidre Moller should not have been included in that and have the husband be the one to actually kill her.

Also, taking evidence, or searching without a warrant is still a common problem. Police will just break in, claiming that they may have heard a cry for help, or claim that they saw evidence of an ongoing crime through the window, both of which would render said evidence legally admissible. It’s still a thorny issue in Criminal Justice. Look up Plain View doctrine and compare it to Fruit of the Poisonous Tree.

*1947

@@jbiehlable oh, ok. 1947. I wouldn’t know since I haven’t played the game. I based what I said on the attire and vehicles in the game. I was off by 3 years. And?

@@No_nameOG No need to get pissy over someone correcting you....and you were being historically ignorant yourself...but since you haven't played the game, I'll let slide. Have a good day, No Name.

Wait, that kind of society was different from the present?

in most hoods and in some citties there are many places simply named "check cashing". We call them "check cashing places". Think Dominos Pizza vs Tony's Pizzeria

1902 first time fingerprinting was used 1910 first forensic lab O.o js

Some of that is true but back then cops used hankys or gloves to pick things up, no cop picked something up with there bare hands

@@queltanis93 no it want dna didnt not exist in cases until the 80s try looking it up before making a fool out of yourself on RU-vid

@@RavensSoTired4081 Alright who said anything about DNA? it wasn't me, and it wasn't Dartigan either so not sure where(perhaps my initial comment should have been, Nobody said anything about fingerprinting) .Doing more digging i realized i was wrong on the year, it was 1892 in Argentina the first time fingerprinting was used in a criminal murder case. And if you want the first USA use of fingerprints in a court of law was Thomas Jennings's. but hey what's an educated fool on RU-vid know? PS. at least this fool uses spell check before commenting, js

@@queltanis93 uhm one of these things is not like the other

Theres 0 difference.

There is 0 difference between a bank and a payday loan place? Are you smoking crack? Lol.

*1940's You misread the box.

"Mid-30s"? You mean 1939. Or do you think the Italian invasion of Ethiopia was the technical start of the war?

@@jlev1028 Speaking of Historical Mix-up.

@@jlev1028 that's when the Americans joined the war, the war was already going on before we got involved Edit: my bad, I stand corrected

And not recite lines from other partners.

I also love the case, but I feel like it's placement in the story isn't the best. It's sandwiched between the second to the last and the last case, which doesn't help the games pacing

I love the case but it doesn’t fit in with the flow of the story. I don’t think there was Anywhere they could’ve put it to make it work. Arson is kind of when things start to wrap up. Maybe as a first case it wouldn’t have felt so shoehorned in

"Most interesting"? Lol

Nah it was where he drained the Dahlia's blood.

@@dawnthemoonchild5409 My thoughts exactly. In the Elizabeth Short murder case her body was cut in half but due to the lack of blood at the crime scene it was believed this happened somewhere else and her body was moved there. So yeah. That's probably what the bloody bathtub is referring too.

@@masonallen3961 A not well known fact is that they actually found the place she was killed two years after her body was found and supposedly drained of blood. You can find the news article in the (public) FBI report.

Doesn't take much to verify : "The French scientist Paul-Jean Coulier developed a method to transfer latent fingerprints on surfaces to paper using iodine fuming. It allowed the London Scotland Yard to start fingerprinting individuals and identify criminals using fingerprints in 1901. Soon after, American police departments adopted the same method and fingerprint identification became a standard practice in the United States. The identification of individuals through fingerprints for law enforcement has been considered essential in the United States since the beginning of the 20th century." Apparently it was used even before the 40's.

They mentioned checking for prints at the beginning of the quarter moon case. The examiner said the murderer soaked the notes in gasoline so they couldn’t lift a print.

And that line about checking for prints in the game is completely out of place, considering that it wasn't a thing yet.

Yes it was. Fingerprinting had been investigated by police for 40 years by the point of the game.

I thought the game succeeded best at evoking the period

Your mom developed LA Noir.

yeah that was bizarre lol

You can be well-read without having been well-...listened?

Oh jeez

It's because he's overthinking things now. He used to be more like CinemaSins where this was all just tongue-in-cheek but now it comes across like he's legitimately cynical all the time

@@OversoulGaming no. It's because his quality is way higher than cinemasins. So he Is taking more time with his scripts. Now he has actual criticisms that are covered with some cynicism. Also, the games he's been sinning recently are either ungodly unjustifiably long (like goddamn ac valhalla) or are hard to siin, like this one. You try making a video focusing on a plot of a game where that plot is barely existent and the rest of it is made episodic adventures

@@kutstupid5480 legitimate criticisms is not the point of the sin videos if that's the case just do reviews. He's ruining the whole idea behind satire

@@kutstupid5480 if you're not going to follow their style then don't straight-up copy their format. Otherwise you're just a discount version of the better Channel. Sin videos are supposed to be satire and comedy not whiny bitching

@@OversoulGaming Exactly

Art imitating life, my friend.