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A while ago over on Film Theory, I tried to figure out if we theory channels and fans RUINED Star Wars. Did our analysis make the creators feel like they had to do crazy things to surprise us and not play into our predictions? Well, it looks like we need to have that conversation AGAIN - this time about the video game industry. Listen, Game Devs need to let me be RIGHT!
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@Daggz 2 года назад

Honored to be included in this discussion matpat! Been watching you for like a decade now so it's insane to just casually show up in one of your videos like that, absolutely honored

@user-jm6qe6sz2p 2 года назад

Жжжж

@user-jm6qe6sz2p 2 года назад

Шшщщщ

@stupid_birds 2 года назад

@flower has eaten wdym ?

@jadedragon9262 2 года назад

I know this daggz guy

@stupid_birds 2 года назад

@@jadedragon9262 oh ok who is he ?

@amokriinprolgiid3409 2 года назад

My favorite case of a creator trying to throw fans off of the truth has to be when Alex Hirsch (the creator of gravity falls) saw that fans started guessing that Stan had a brother who wrote the journals, and he created a fake leak framing McGucket as the author of the journals. It was brilliant and did exactly what he wanted it to do, without sacrificing the story.

@kaysee2428 2 года назад

Yea! Alex Hirsch did a great job with that!

@jamwhip5108 2 года назад

Alex Hirsch just does right by his add ins and do dads. I remember that even in the cypher hunt after someone accidentally found the next clue he asked the fan base to complete the puzzles for unreleased content.

@pb4705 2 года назад

Or how everyone was convinced Tad Strange existed and then he was a normal guy who liked bread

@jaromweissvert4121 2 года назад

@@pb4705 I thought he was?

@butterrboi1776 2 года назад

@@jaromweissvert4121there was lots of fan speculation that he'd be important, maybe even some sort of sidekick or rival to bill when all the fanbase had was a voice credit to his name in a future episode description. it was pretty funny when he was revealed to be just some guy

@chaosic08 2 года назад

Game company : "Oh no they guessed it. Quick, change it!" Mat : "I think they changed it. Here's my theory on them changing it!" Game company : "DANGIT"

@shekosheko4504 2 года назад

Whyru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FSSFgWlDbJU.html..

@The_Black_Star 2 года назад

Wait is it fnaf, oh god!

@Mr.Djagent6060 2 года назад

Read my name!

@thatKole 2 года назад

@@The_Black_Star no, it's probably hello neighbor

@nickter745thebold8 2 года назад

No one’s safe from Matt… Unless I make something alongside what I’m working on to completely throw off Game Theory entirely… 😈

@skeeplebop Год назад

After thorough thought on the subject, I've decided to not leave a comment with the word "jumpkick" in it, only because Matt asked so nicely, and I wouldn't want to disappoint him ❤

@seedingson2803 Год назад

YOU FOOL

@alexdemary5274 11 месяцев назад

You just did.

@St0xMap 11 месяцев назад

@@alexdemary5274that’s the joke

@nullut2000 9 месяцев назад

@@alexdemary5274r/woosh

@StarlordUEFN 5 месяцев назад

@@nullut2000Reddit user

@mcbjak4346 11 месяцев назад

I think its a great point that developers should let the fans have their win. The fans will get excited cus they picked up on the correct clues, and the developers laid out the clues in such a way, that there was indeed something to track, somthing to theorise about.

@homerunproduction 2 года назад

I think another thing to note is that When MatPat is correct, that doesn't mean your game is predictable, it means (like he said) your story is logical.

@L1NE_C00K1NG 2 года назад

Fact. I don’t care if I know who’s the final villain is as long as it was hinted too and has a pay off

@raziasultana5222 2 года назад

that makes a lot of sense

@windums560 2 года назад

You use extra T's, my friend MatPat

@homerunproduction 2 года назад

@@windums560 Ah thank you

@squadnft5176 2 года назад

@@homerunproduction ikrru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-a1j9owBuwdQ.html

@Stellar09_ Год назад

I love how Mat jumpkicks into his transitions. It’s really nice editing style and I might pick it up someday.

@THESMARTWONS 9 месяцев назад

@Brittanysplittany 6 месяцев назад

Smooth “jumpkick” inclusion 👌

@nikorosell7903 Год назад

I just wish game developers would make a fun game with an intriguing story, instead of theory chasing 🥺

@Navarein Месяц назад

Womp womp

@SaganHawkes 2 года назад

Woah, really great video, honored to be mentioned in it. Interesting hearing your perspective on this whole topic.

@odd-eyesvon 2 года назад

The "don't chase that Game Theory video" is such an iconic line from your channel, that I'm ecstatic that he finally addressed it.

@anza3007 2 года назад

Let's Go, I'm so proud of you

@jojocircus9818 2 года назад

i love your channel

@mselysia834 2 года назад

You're the icon of this channel now buddy

@shinigami429 2 года назад

thats right be honored foohl the great master matt pat had chosen you

@dionettaeon 2 года назад

So, essentially what I'm hearing is that, in a desperate attempt to be unpredictable, some developers panic and lose sight of their own game's congruity.

@cheemslopez7084 2 года назад

Auhgg

@Ka1ven 2 года назад

Pretty much

@KamalAdnanTheFirst 2 года назад

EXACTLY!!

@rutyqutykandi1361 2 года назад

That's how I felt about batim.

@MrFilgueiras. 2 года назад

Not really to be unpredictable, sometimes the dev is just pressured into making a more convoluted story just because of the theorists' spectation

@thatoneothergamer6158 Год назад

0:11 "the game was unpolished, glitchy and nothing like how we predcited" me: do you know how little that narrows it down?!

@omaradel210 9 месяцев назад

What is it

@bgdy-pw8xj 8 месяцев назад

Hello neighbour?

@DavetheAf 8 месяцев назад

matpat never fails to jumpkick us

@Zula_The_Squid 2 года назад

When theorists are able to guess it right, it's a medal of honour for the developers. It means that their plot makes sense and isn't absolute bullsquid.

@rest1585 2 года назад

Fnaf be like:

@chibi_okami 2 года назад

Agree

@cybellecrider9244 2 года назад

@@rest1585 I’m still trying to understand where we thought mangle caused the bite of 87

@rewritefan123 2 года назад

@@cybellecrider9244 Fnaf 4 is the bite of 83 mangle caused the bite of 87.

@TheRealHalolad 2 года назад

Nice pun master of squids

@Merrsharr 2 года назад

"I knew it" is way more rewarding than "I didn't see that coming", especially if that twist feels forced

@sonjaimmonen6610 2 года назад

And a confused "whaat...????" is even worse.

@EllenMF12 2 года назад

I know, the best is that you get more interested in the story, since you guessed it once, the author who made the plot thinks like you do, or follow your logic, so of course you'll read more to see if you can get more things right. Like the opposite is also true, if you believe something gonna happen and it's completely the wrong conclusion you can even get annoyed with the story and plot because there was foreshadowing for one to be the villain, but it was someone else who already was proven to be wrong and it was bs all along... The fans who were reading or following the story won't read because the logic don't make sense to them and it may even make them ignore the story.

@ting6342 2 года назад

@CrymsonNite 2 года назад

Like Rian Johnson's star wars, that feels like he changed every plot point to be the opposite of fan speculation, and is easily the worst star wars movie.

@chiboiross_1832 2 года назад

That's a fact that lines up I'd rather be right than be confused with the overall plot.

@focornali4349 Год назад

I think it's ridiculous that any type of media would do this (I believe the show runners of West World tweaked the finale of season 1 before of theorists) because most consumers don't read or are even aware of any of this.

@konkatikonkati 3 месяца назад

Idk, but I think that the game Matt was talking about at the beginning might have been Hello Neighbor based on what Matt said in some theories about the game and how it felt incomplete

@lachlanokeefe8020 2 года назад

thinking about your conclusion, game devs should do something like Alex Hirsch, creator of Gravity Falls. When fans found his big secret, he did not change his conclusion, he gave something which did not affect the story at all, but gave fans enough doubt about their conclusion that they still felt the effect of a shocking reveal.

@blankiecat9302 2 года назад

I mean he did change some thing like added the whole zodiac wich was not important intill fans wanted it to be important so he felt he had to add it in at the last minute so they felt sadifided

@PneumaAsh 2 года назад

Can you remind me what that bait and switch was?

@lucky6961 2 года назад

and we got a lot of interpretations too, like having Stanley being sure Gideon was a fraud by not knowing his real name, the story always felt consistent

@thetinykid4169 2 года назад

@@PneumaAsh It was an orchestrated leak by Alex Hirsch and his team where he produced an image of old man mcgucket being the real journal writer. They even took it down an hour after it was posted to make the leak seem more real.

@hellotoyoutoo3623 2 года назад

@@PneumaAsh the old mcguffin i think his name was the 6 fingers it showed up then deleted immediately.

@jricket1 2 года назад

"Let us be right" and "I KNEW IT!" are rules for DMs running D&D tables too. Sure, make twists, but then keep your clues going in that same direction. Don't punish the players for being clever.

@lianaverwood9810 2 года назад

...unless they take it too far, and become smartasses - that's your cue to start messing with them...

@Koxu_007 2 года назад

Are you talking about dungeons and dragons

@lacrossestick132 2 года назад

YES! I’ve had so man DMs switch up the story last minute and pull twists out of nowhere just to throw us off because we got too close to figuring it out.

@Lovehandels 2 года назад

@@lacrossestick132 Yeah I've heard some D&D horror stories about that.

@ultimazilla9814 2 года назад

If I become a game developer, I will have a FIXED lore that is pretty complicated and I am actually thinking of it but the timeline is confusing

@octopusjacket3472 Год назад

As a Venezuelan, and a huge fan of Drossrotzant, I absolutely love that mat had mentioned his work and the impact it had on the topic

@araleiasper 10 месяцев назад

At the end of last year, I was able to use this video and the film theory video "How Star Wars Theories KILLED Star Wars: The Last Jedi!" for my graduation IRP. It was really cool to be able to use my favorite channel(s)'s videos for such an important paper and I learned a ton. It's not everyday that you explain the search trends of Among Us in APA format after discussing JJ Abrams' controversial Mystery Box 😆 Thank you MatPat and the theorist gang for making these awesome videos, paving the way for many others to be creative and theorize themselves.

@silhouette_chr 2 года назад

The funniest damage control ive seen a creator did when their fans' theories predicted the story was with Alex Hirsch with the author reveal. Some fans figured out that (spoilers) the author was Stan's twin brother and to salvage the climax Alex faked a photo "leak" with a single frame of McGucket writing the journal behind him and posted it to reddit- Like mans willing to troll his entire fanbase just for the reveal 😭 but at least he didnt double down and do a last minute change. The author was still Ford and i appreciate that

@deluxeedition4639 2 года назад

alex hirsch is a god

@TameHook128 2 года назад

Not only that, but in Dungeons, Dungeons, & More Dungeons (S2 E13) they made a gag that the whole twist of Ducktective was that he had a twin brother all along, and then the characters argue how predictable the twist was. Alex Hirsch played 4D chess with the fandom like Bill did with Ford. 😂

@exudeku 2 года назад

Alex used one of the oldest trick in making pursuers scramble: red herrings

@dogecoin9562 2 года назад

The reveal of Ford was so damn satisfying after seeing all the theories develop over the course of the show

@silversprint1213 2 года назад

it was funny but what sucks is when they actually do change the script when it could be best the way it was

@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache 2 года назад

I can imagine actual game developers out there watching MatPat, just hoping he doesn’t cover the project they’re working on, so the entire lore and backstory isn’t revealed to the public, just because MatPat saw a 15 second advertisement of it.

@GriffinZambia 2 года назад

Dont read my name!!😑.

@SirHimothyMcHe 2 года назад

Wow nice fake check mark there scammer. EDIT: To clear up confusion this comment is about @The Game Shorts

@Ltlguylad 2 года назад

Sorry your comment I filled with bots

@mvl666_darkrio 2 года назад

Report the bots.

@armageddongirl612 2 года назад

you know what, jsgwoam, you honestly deserve all these bots in your replies for being so obnoxious in every comment section and leaving comments on videos before even 10 seconds passed.

@jstar2332 7 месяцев назад

who else is here after the announcement of him leaving 😭

@yellowstarproductions6743 6 месяцев назад

I am.

@asbdowasduwagibberish4700 Год назад

mat is so obsessed with theories that he made a theory involving his own theories that theorify the games that he discusses for the theory.

@mayosanta 2 года назад

As a writer, seeing people's reactions to a twist is always satisfying. As a consumer, guessing a twist before it happens is always satisfying. Please, writers, realise that you're making something with the primary intent of being enjoyable to an audience. If you get angry and change things when they do something that will make them happy, you're doing a bad job.

@lordvkef5843 2 года назад

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@user-fp3le7mp3p 2 года назад

I think the worse part about this is alot of them who actively have a issue put out the clues like a Easter egg hunt. They set the eggs can't really get angry when someone finds them.

@pancakes8670 2 года назад

The thing about twists is they have to make sense. If your audience ends up seeing it coming, then oh well. Don't hard U turn and start going down the Interstate backwards

@chococat2034 2 года назад

Jumpkick

@kukuhimanputraraharja8084 2 года назад

there's also some writers out there who writes just for themselves. only sharing it with others just because they just want to share without thinking too much about it, whether it appease the audience or not.

@Sheeprampage 2 года назад

Theories make games so much more fun! But i do feel like some games do try to change things after seeing theories

@III-kk8rp 2 года назад

@GriffinZambia 2 года назад

Dont read my name!!..

@Mr.Djagent6060 2 года назад

Read my name❤️

@sumitahsan8032 2 года назад

Hi I watch your videos and I'm a fan

@Reddluv2 10 месяцев назад

I love how scott watches game theory and he goes in and changed stuff to make it even better but like well try to make it better like with the box u could’ve change what is in the box but make it better

@cjthenarhwalking1378 9 месяцев назад

Yes and that is this done write, will parts of the fnaf lore contradict what came before it never made the games and story completely fall apart. Security breach had a cohesive story that fit with the lore but steel wool wanted a suprise ending.

@dr.doctor5099 Год назад

I can also understand the developers vision of loosing that sparks when you think your gonna make a story snd slowly others will leatn about it, just to have everything already predicted after like 2 updates or before its even out, youd be like... oh, so much for the build up. But on the otherside, as RR martin said, just build your story you want and planned it.

@BanditGames 2 года назад

Wow. This one hit hard. The infamous delays to Breath of the Wild’s sequel came to mind after I watched this, which is a game that has been heavily theorized over, and of course the messy lore of Security Breach which was also talked about in the video. What a great message, I hope it ripples throughout the game developer world. Theorizing fans are excited fans, and excited fans keep communities alive.

@visoth7791 2 года назад

It's my theory that BOTW2 was delayed because of what the devs saw from FromSoftware. They wanted to add Elden Ring gameplay aspects to BOTW. Wouldn't be surprised if we get a whole underground region. And if I am right, they probably were originally only intending a "sky region" addition.

@hollowshield2315 2 года назад

Bandit! hey, love your theories

@shrekecomment8056 2 года назад

@@hollowshield2315 ikrru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-a1j9owBuwdQ.html

@Decimator_517 2 года назад

I was literally thinking about this too🤣

@irishmanfromengland25 2 года назад

woah! I didn't expect to be seeing you here.

@therandomscout6590 2 года назад

Game devs are either: "Dammit, this guy spoiled the twist! We need to change it now!" or "We already have an original plot but this theory is more interesting."

@thebois9152 2 года назад

spam jumpkick now you wont regrt

@Foxygrandpa1912 2 года назад

Wow, this was a real jumpkick of an observation

@thearcanehunter2736 2 года назад

I feel like the latter is genuinely fine. It comes out more interesting, though if the theory was flawed it may make it worse.

@huzaifahahmed4303 2 года назад

Neither feels like a trend they should follow tbh

@aaauuguhu9048 2 года назад

Or: we don't have real lore we just make it seem like it for more popularity so let's pretend this is what we were thinking all along

@fandomfancallie1446 Год назад

I got an ad of this guy and the first thing he said is that I was watching a game theory video, cool but, slightly freaky

@mdfalcon2665 Год назад

20:52 "ruin" "11" so it was fnaf SB , steel wool ceo , 11 is for the times Scott changed his plans but heeeey it's just a coincidence , a coincidence theeeeeory

@TheKnocturne 2 года назад

When it comes to fan guessing the plot twists it's often not a "ugh that was so easy to guess" the reaction is more often "yes I actually guessed it"

@taizomichael7294 2 года назад

Exhibit A: MUUUUSSIC MAAAAAAN

@MossMothMyBeloved Год назад

@Emily An Do what Alex Hirsch (Creator of Gravity Falls) did and create a fake leak.

@tazdivil6527 Год назад

@@taizomichael7294yes. That’s a perfect example of that kinda “Hell yeah! I got it” reaction

@samarthgoel5835 Год назад

I CALLED IT , I FREAKIN CALLED IT

@TRG_R17 11 месяцев назад

Reply 5, hmm

@abid5087 2 года назад

when devs change something last minute to "subvert expectations" or whatever, it just hurts the fans. and it hurts hard like a jumpkick the face

@nickter745thebold8 2 года назад

Opinionated.

@tomorrowisyesterday3215 2 года назад

I see what you just did there

@purnimakasiraju.9954 2 года назад

@@tomorrowisyesterday3215 r/beatmetoit

@davidarvingumazon5024 2 года назад

As a Minecraft fan think about this, Minecraft Lore had got to be hardest thing to be theory for Matpat. Minecraft has such a massive creative community, also there's simply too many ideas could be added to the game and lore, making it unpredictable. But WB's Minecraft Movie without Steve as protagonist is disappointing. T_T

@noheffthing 2 года назад

The devs are still awesome

@FormerlyEpicjcat 10 месяцев назад

Its actually really fun when a theory is completly wrong

@narrator-bf Год назад

man what if sonic's legs did a JUMPKICK ( matpat you used a hard word to make a joke about )

@HoweverMayor 2 года назад

I'd rather have a great predicted story than a "twist" ending that's nonsensical and forced.

@thebonfireofgains 2 года назад

GoT anyone?

@criticalblaster458 2 года назад

Any examples? Sounds like an interesting topic

@dodiezero 2 года назад

@@criticalblaster458 star wars ep 7-9?? not sure cuz I haven't properly saw theories predicting it or its really just lazy writing & bad executions.

@mr.holodoc7406 2 года назад

That's because- every theorist leaves less and less possibilities for big surprises. Just imagine if Bioshock Fans early on said that Atlas would betray you and be Fontain. Then there wouldn't be that great twist, but just a shell that needs something new and better. Problem is: If the Game has allready build upon that early idea, then- you practically have to to it all over.

@psychophate 2 года назад

@@criticalblaster458 Last of Us 2: The revenge plot that doesn't end in actual revenge

@themaskedcrusader 2 года назад

I'm an author. In one of my creative writing courses in college, my professor basically drilled home the idea that was highlighted by George R.R. Martin in this video clip: When the twist happens in your story, don't make it an unexpected twist. When the reader reads the twist, they should say to themselves "I should have seen that coming" because you (the author) laid out the clues before. Crazy storyline twists without clues don't trigger the reader's dopamine response and make the story fall flat. Apparently that's the same thing with video games.

@lame-o693 2 года назад

That makes sense

@AxelNder 2 года назад

Exactly. Thank you for making this comment.

@luketfer 2 года назад

If only the TV show writers saw that for Game of Thrones season 8...aka 'needless unsatisfying plot twists: the season'.

@mr.holodoc7406 2 года назад

But if someone, before you even released the Book says "this and that will be the big twist" then- Well, you gotta think of something better, because you don't want to have that big reaction/suprise. And that is the Problem. If you corner a Dev/Writer of the Possibilites of a Twist, then yeah- it'll be bad.

@takkycat 2 года назад

One of the best twisty series in my opinion is Gravity Falls. Watchers were rewarded for solving the twists and it was very satisifying!

@jdh9419 2 месяца назад

Is it just me, or is the new Game Theory host undergoing the exact opposite problem MatPat is here? FNAF:SB kept changing against MatPat's theories so that he could never get it right, but I feel like Poppy Playtime is trying to make the theories correct. Like, I swear, the plot-twist at the end of chapter 2 was so incredibly uncalled for, and the only explanation as to why it happened in the first place was Mob feeling the need to make Game Theory right. Let them be right and wrong, idiots!

@Mr.Doggo83 Год назад

What is the game Matpat was talking about in the beginning of the video? I think it's actually security breach. Also, Matpat, I am a nice guy, so I won't say Jumpkick. You are welcome

@readysetgameover9977 2 года назад

I’m 100% convinced that Scott has changed the fnaf lore like 50 times just to spite matpat.

@westtexas_4491 2 года назад

yeah and that's extremely frustrating because, objectively, the fnaf story is pretty bad now. it's messy, it accidentally contradicts itself, and it could've been so much better if Scott just told the story instead of trying to keep fans guessing.

@samefornever5637 2 года назад

@@westtexas_4491 You also have to remember that the fans hated the original direction the lore was headed (it was all a dream), so Scott wanted to change the lore to make the fanbase happy. That is where you get the majority of your contradicting lore points. The story itself isn’t actually that bad, it just gets so confusing at points that you lose sight of the pieces you’ve already collected and placed together. This best way I can explain the lore: It’s like a tangled clump of yarn, you can see one end that’s connected to the nicely packaged yarn and the other is lost in the clump. You can’t untangle it from one end so you try to find the other end of the yarn. FNaF is a lot like that. The original, neatly packaged story wasn’t well liked so Scott changed it, creating this clump of yarn, but it’ll be all the more satisfying when we finally find that other end, that missing piece and are able to unravel the story.

@ice-choco-Icecream 2 года назад

Im kinda convinced otherwise? I feel like the majority of FNAF's lore was shaped by the fandom lol

@moonlightgarden1921 2 года назад

I mean yeah, not all of the first 7 games plot points make the most sense, but also keep in mind that writing a story in this style is probably decently difficult to make. I don't mind there being 1 or 2 small plot points that don't really fit, because the story makes sense in the bigger picture.

@justsomeguywithaplan971 2 года назад

@@westtexas_4491 well. It purposely contradicts it's self. It has like 3 timelines.

@zachattackgaming3066 2 года назад

Matpat: ARE MY THEORIES KILLING GAMES? Also Matpat: *makes a theory about it*

@nothing4youhere540 2 года назад

Maybe making a theory about killing games with theories will kill the game of making theories about games. It's like a very meta seppuku.

@bicyclesonthemoon 2 года назад

@@nothing4youhere540 I wanted to make a reply to the comment which basically says the same: "It totally makes sense: If making theory about games kills games then making theory about killing games kills killing games. perfect!" But when I logged in to write it I noticed you already did 1 minute before."

@einekartoffel2490 2 года назад

@@bicyclesonthemoon No more Danganronpa and Among Us? :,( /j

@Xyb3rAnims 2 года назад

BIG BRAIN

@panjinurfadillah2489 2 года назад

A theory in a theory that's like 16 *Theory*

@sleepybunny186 7 месяцев назад

We’re really gonna miss you jumpkick …. Wait I mean Matt!

@entxty1 Год назад

So my hulu keeps unpausing for no reason so when you said "Lemon party" it started the JJBA part 3 intro. it was hilarious. So funny I almost jumpkicked someone

@bacaestrife3615 2 года назад

I am gonna say that if game developers ARE changing their lore last minute around what you're doing, that's just poor decision making on their part. Rushed last minute changes are always gonna be worse than the actual story you were going to go with, fulfilling audience expectations isn't a bad thing, and fact is, if someone watched a theory video and spoiled the game for themselves, that's on them. Like listening to fan feed back is one thing, but changing everything around so it's a surprise, is just a bad idea.

@yourshoulderdevil5229 2 года назад

You're right and you should say it.

@nickter745thebold8 2 года назад

You can’t tell an interesting and compelling story if everyone expecting it has already figured it out. If that happened, I’d be severely upset and angry, before scrapping the entire story and just abandoning it altogether. I’m not wasting my life making something amazing, only for a theorist to figure it all out and ruin the atmosphere the story is supposed to set.

@Mr.Djagent6060 2 года назад

Read my name!

@Amodh1257 2 года назад

@@nickter745thebold8 this ^^^^^^

@Troll_vs. 2 года назад

@@nickter745thebold8 well to bad. Lore speculation existed before mat and will continue after him. If it can be guessed before you release it then it might not as interesting and compelling as you think.

@stormaurora189 2 года назад

When I started watching Game Theory, I was around 12 or 13 years old, and I thought that it would be the coolest thing if I made a game that MatPat could make a theory about. Now I'm a college graduate with a degree in game programming and I still think it would be the coolest thing if I made a game that MatPat could make a theory about. I'd be super excited to have something in my game correctly predicted by theorists!

@justacommenterno.7700 2 года назад

That's interesting to know! Maybe I could play one of your games someday :D

@crystalcat1002 2 года назад

I'd play your games if my device was compatible with Steam D:

@FleaOnMyWiener 2 года назад

@@crystalcat1002 what device?

@Itsrunzo 2 года назад

Remind me when you make a cool game

@eeveebrosstudios 2 года назад

SAME HERE!!!

@pran_irl Год назад

I just want to jumpkick out. By hearing that the companies are changing their games by watching fan theories.😢

@alanna1422 Год назад

1:01 the music :awesome The intro: awesome The editing : awesome The video: AWESOME AWESOME!!!!

@AroWolfArts 2 года назад

The theories don't kill the games, it's the writer/producers killing it by doing stupid last minute changes because they value "subverting the audiences expectation" or just suprising the audience way too high. It's the exact same with written stories like books and the like.

@shekosheko4504 2 года назад

Whyru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FSSFgWlDbJU.html..

@GriffinZambia 2 года назад

Dont read my name!!..

@veto_5762 2 года назад

Bruh the bots

@landreeallen86 2 года назад

Subvert their expectations by bot subverting their expectations and just keeping the game the same.

@Galaxy-rj1kj 2 года назад

Matpat is killing the games

@teeleaf9252 2 года назад

I feel like sometimes developers forget that the whole point of leaving these clues and hints is for us to piece them together as the story goes on and it sucks ,because the feeling of calling something out before it happens isn't out of superiority ,but it makes you feel like you truly understand and appreciate the work put into this and when writers or artists or developers actually follow through or fulfill that end it feels like a little nod from them to us like *I'm glad you got here* it is 1000000 times better than them changing it for us to be wrong, because then what are we even here for?

@roberttheronin9803 2 года назад

For mr Bone's wild ride

@eatyourcreal9365 2 года назад

@@roberttheronin9803 okru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-a1j9owBuwdQ.html

@squadnft5176 2 года назад

@@eatyourcreal9365 yesss🔥🔥🔥

@shrekecomment8056 2 года назад

@@eatyourcreal9365 yessir🔥🔥🔥

@Klarpimier 8 месяцев назад

I haven’t searched lemon party but out of curiosity is it something that’d make the FBI jumpkick my door in?

@beans00001 8 месяцев назад

Do it.

@HappyBlite 8 месяцев назад

A theory is peak advertising Nothing like having a person you like tell you about a thing they like

@CrocBoi14 2 года назад

I agree with mat with the “let us have something” line. If you are watching a murder mystery-type film, it obviously has clues leading to the culprit and as with any puzzle, there is someone who will put the pieces together. If someone figures out who the culprit is, do they just stop playing the movie? No, of course not

@shikoshiko1210 2 года назад

Whyru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FSSFgWlDbJU.html..

@zodycoder 2 года назад

perfect comparison

@futurelazarus8217 2 года назад

This is a great comparison like why would they leave clues if you dont want us to solve it

@localhdmain6306 2 года назад

It would be funny if out of no where someone screams "Oh the pizza delivery guy did it" and the movie just fast forwarded to the credits

@eatyourcreal9365 2 года назад

@@localhdmain6306 ikrru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-a1j9owBuwdQ.html

@Kale6196 2 года назад

To all the game developers out there, Matpat is right. Don’t worry about us finding out the lore of your games before you’re ready to release it all; it’s what makes the game fun. Finding out we were right about FNAF (in some cases) made it all the more exciting. It gives us something to talk about and reminisce over, it builds communities and friendships (from what I’ve seen, FNAF kids always migrate together). And at the end of the day, it’s nice find yourself correct about something.

@nickter745thebold8 2 года назад

…It most certainly does not.

@a_d3mon 2 года назад

@@nickter745thebold8 that's your opinion. I like it when a theory I formulated turns out to be right... Doesn't make me stop the movie/game I'm watching/playing. In fact it encourages me to play even more.

@EspeonMistress00 2 года назад

@@a_d3mon I feel this guy is generally not a theoriser of any media and doesn't like it. He is harping ab the same "why theories are bad" points in every reply on the top comments

@Saitaina 2 года назад

Yup. We keep coming back to FNaF PRECISELY Bec each new game gives us more bits and pieces. A theory or head canon can NEVER replace the next part.

@akira8393 2 года назад

Haha yeah sure buddy, i doubt that

@Hollow2035 11 месяцев назад

Matpat: im gonna JUMPKICK that hello neighbor theory idea

@TotallyReliable_Dino 9 месяцев назад

The game he probably talking abt is Hello Neighbor Right? RIGHT?

@applewarrior1529 2 года назад

I totally agree, its a real jumpkick to the face when devs rush a game so the ending doesnt make sense

@andrewcoburn6519 2 года назад

I see what you did sir. *gives golf clap*

@systemdoesmusic 2 года назад

*joins in on golf clap*

@mononyon2537 2 года назад

also joins in golf clap

@notexpected7439 2 года назад

Also joins in the golf claps

@JAX0NIAN 2 года назад

Also joins in the golf clap

@SomeBlackGuy 2 года назад

Depends on the consumer. I stay away from spoilers as much as possible. My close friend however, dives DEEP and wants to know everything before whatever is it comes out, so he loves any and all theories!

@asaelpaniagua 2 года назад

My name's Tom sweeny and I....

@dhilan_yt9412 2 года назад

@@asaelpaniagua huh?

@asaelpaniagua 2 года назад

@@dhilan_yt9412 probably better that you don't know

@clownymoosebean 2 года назад

Keith David?

@chococat2034 2 года назад

Jumpkick

@DaGoofyGoober78 11 месяцев назад

Love my boy superhorrorbro getting some representation

@KoiiDaBoii 8 месяцев назад

your videos are always a great jumpkick to my morning (idk what that word means)

@m-rots 2 года назад

I think Gravity Falls does theory baiting perfectly. It leaves plenty of clues, some obvious and some not, for the viewer so that it's a fun experience for everyone. If that comes at the cost of some hardcore theorists figuring it out, that's okay! They even joke about that with one of the biggest twists in the series.

@alexcoffey8804 2 года назад

"Hardcore Theorists" are some of your most loyal fans. I can't understand when a lot of stories want to punish them with unforeshadowed asspull twists.

@cityofnewjack 2 года назад

@@alexcoffey8804 (i assume) its cuz storywriters(storycrafters? cuz video games too?) either get angry that their hard work is seemingly going to waste because fans figure out the story, and then after that the writer changes the ending as one last "ha see you never saw this twist coming!!!( ͡0 ͜ʖ ͡0)" to try and get that reaction from the audience that they feel like they lost. What also could be happening is the author worrying that the fanbase would be dissapointed, and surely some of them would be, having expected a twist and then feeling robbed of that feeling of piecing the twist together in their head, just because they watched a youtube video and because they worry about those fans' dissapointment, it leads to them changing the twist or mystery last second to avoid that problem, ultimately leading to a rushed story

@r.omantiholic 2 года назад

yes! gravity falls, steven universe, the owl house, these types of shows (and in turn stories) are always the best because they plant the clues for you to figure out then when it's revealed it feels so much better than a "wow plot twist that you never saw" because it feels like it fits more and makes more sense in the universe we follow along with

@zapzap1485 2 года назад

Do you mean series at whole or just the McGucket leak incident?

@SphoenixBlue 2 года назад

I miss Gravity Falls so much 🥺 nothing has replaced it for me.

@colekiesler6218 2 года назад

Matpat 2014: “Let’s solve a series of haunted animatronics.” Matpat 2022: “What was in the box again?”

@questionister 2 года назад

These bots

@temmie5960 2 года назад

Did we ever find out what was in the box?

@mothichorror446 2 года назад

@@temmie5960 nope. Never brought up again.

@rotprotectorofrateria8042 2 года назад

@DONTCLICK shut shut it shut

@massiveidiot77 2 года назад

It might have been a Robotic version of the crying child

@AppleCake69 10 месяцев назад

He should have mentioned Sans is ness

@anemiropenguin2241 10 месяцев назад

Getting a theory on your game by matpat is a huge jumpkick

@enderking_13 2 года назад

“And if you don’t want to include any real lore at all, fine, I’ll still be here claiming it’s a prequel to earth bound anyways” the most accurate game theory quote

@IEatSignificantAmountsOfAss 2 года назад

The fact that Matpat owns the Sans is Ness meme and doesn't shy away from it is pretty respectable. A lot of others would try and hide their past lunacy and just prove the Streisand effect to be real.

@GREEKPLAYER64 2 года назад

@keep rolling at

@jeffjeff9037 2 года назад

But at that point, wouldn't that mean lore exists whether the developers want it there or not?

@beashemmad.sayson545 2 года назад

@@jeffjeff9037 i mean yh, but at the end of the day, they’re just theories

@beashemmad.sayson545 2 года назад

@@IEatSignificantAmountsOfAss what’s the streisand effect

@realsanmer 2 года назад

I remember reading somewhere that it's ok when your audience figures out the plot twist beforehand; it means the twist is believable and makes sense.

@Roadent1241 2 года назад

And it's not a bad thing?

@fancyboy3806 2 года назад

Plot twist should still make sense, it subvert expectations but not change it entirely

@menthols4625 2 года назад

There's a fine line to balance, if a movie plot is so freaking obvious that the majority guess the plot twist, they won't be happy that it turned out to be such an obvious plot twist, they will think it was boring, but if the movie was pretty deep and complicating so that it took a lot of digging and thinking to figure out the plot twist, then fans would be very happy and satisfied that they figured it out. On the opposite end, if your story is far too complicated and doesn't have coherent hints and foreshadowing, then fans won't like it because it's pointless and impossible to try to figure it out, there's no satisfaction with the conclusion because there was no way to figure it out in the first place. It's a fine line to ride and it isn't easy.

@EspeonMistress00 2 года назад

That's literally a JJ Martin qoute that's in the video.

@a_d3mon 2 года назад

@@Roadent1241 Nope

@John83118 7 месяцев назад

This piece is quite remarkable; akin to a book I found equally enthralling. "Game Theory and the Pursuit of Algorithmic Fairness" by Jack Frostwell

@heresywithana 2 года назад

Mat has finally reached the "Are we the bad guys" level of doing theories.

@thedeepabyss5754 2 года назад

@DONTCLICK shut up

@wariodude128 2 года назад

Weed-chan... are we the baddies?

@kylepalmer9094 2 года назад

"Am I the drama?"

@averagegenzguy2751 2 года назад

@@wariodude128 "Weed, come on, it's all behind us. Let us blow it all out of proportion. Why not? I say we we can't have interesting games NO-ONE, no-one can."

@OmegaQuinn 2 года назад

He reached that back when Fnaf 4 came out and he did his 800th video on fnaf

@sigull4192 2 года назад

Not entirely theorists fault but it sucks that this happens and games studios just need to stick with what they have and finish it

@deepmind5318 2 года назад

Not at all theorist's fault, because the developer has layed out most of the pieces for them. FNAF Security Breach was working off of hints that creator Scott Cawthon had already put out in previous games and in trailers. We especially know this happened, because the game has almost no Lore, what little story there is, is messy, doesn't make sense, and the gameplay doesn't fit. The creator admitting that he has done this is the final nail in the coffin.

@khatunamezvrishvili6211 2 года назад

Not entirely? More like not at all their fault.

@noheffthing 2 года назад

Games studios are better than yters

@TheRealMagicMan 2 года назад

@ricardoperezjr574 2 года назад

Hey do you mind doing a theory on evertale?

@AlliPassey-xp2jr 9 месяцев назад

Why would I want to use the word "jumpkick" in a comment after being asked so nicely?

@CiceleeStokes 8 месяцев назад

guys hes tricking us to comment when he told us not to comment jumpkick

@ooaktree 8 месяцев назад

You commented it!!!!! Let’s jumpkick on you!!

2 года назад

It reminds me of the old Sister Location video on GTLive, when you guessed that Afton was a main character in the lore then when the game came out you were correct; it already happened in 2016. Scott didn't change the story just because you guessed it correctly prior to the games release, he continued with it. That made the game 10x better just because we knew that we got something right lore-wise.

@AstoricaArt 2 года назад

And sometimes when Matpat and the community were going off the tracks and assuming things that he didn't intend, Scott would go back and fix things to clarify what he meant, unless he liked how it changed the story

@animeking5068 2 года назад

Fun Fact: Matpat was only able to predict the plots because the developers had put clues in the game that led to it

@Chillipeffer 2 года назад

OMG!!!!

@ondiiina 2 года назад

It literally shows that they did their job right so there's no shame in the story being predicted

@pedroberti1588 2 года назад

Like how Disney had to refilm Rogue One because he got right the Kylo Ren soldiers 🤫

@roaringthunder115 2 года назад

Yeah

@voltrex7661 2 года назад

Do you expect to form a theory with no evidence 😂😂😂

@tgame43 7 месяцев назад

I don’t know why they always change the story to try to jumpkick you into making a theory

@w.afton2848sp 7 месяцев назад

MatPat became the man(+ the team) behind the theories

@logdinafter383 2 года назад

When Matpat said "Let us have something" it immediately made me think of MUSIC MAN because the amount of satisfaction from him seeing that he got it right was insane and I think it's a big example of us actually getting something.

@Gooberpotomous 2 года назад

Exactly my thoughts as well

@mr.holodoc7406 2 года назад

But it could've been a much more cooler Character tho. Afterall, it could've been one of Vanny's Constructs. Hell, it could've been a bunch of Robots mixed together.

@nozo7325 2 года назад

Matt Burnett, from Steven Universe, actually said something interesting about this type of thing : "'I knew it!' Is always better than 'I didn't see that coming.' It's a much more rewarding experience to be right." It's sad that most games of this genre always try to surprise us, when really, getting something right is just as nice as being surprised.

@ethan5915 2 года назад

the best games do both--and do the "I didn't see that coming" with things that have actually been hinted about and could be figured out if you were smart/pieced together everything.

@ExarchGaming Год назад

@@ethan5915 I agree, Bioshock is an incredible example of the latter. the pure essence of "whoa I didn't see that coming"

@Mephilis78 Год назад

This is part of why The Last Jedi sucks, making completely universe breaking twists simply because the fans would never expect it, is cheap and dumb. Edit: capitalized "sucks" instead of "the" for some reason. Glad I read my comments after I hit send lol

@jeffjeff9037 9 месяцев назад

I think the issue is that when the viewer watches the video and the product echoes it, it's no longer surprising because the viewer didn't have to think about it.

@Klarpimier 8 месяцев назад

Just look at how happy MatPat was when he saw the Security Breach trailer

@MR.Sculptor 6 месяцев назад

I’m 100 percent sure most of Matpat’s theories are right, but the devs always change the games/movies in response to them 💀

@oldmanjankens1618 11 месяцев назад

mans the only guy who would think he shot someone in the leg see the problem and do it again

@KaptainKuba 2 года назад

This is a really interesting topic that I frankly never gave it much thought lol

@yuseixp3058 2 года назад

نفسي اشوفك والله انك صادق والله انك صادق والله انك صادق والله

@Wesmin2 2 года назад

I feel like the translation of that comment isn't perfect.

@bojafar8870 2 года назад

@@Wesmin2 it actually is

@tanishqpathak2712 2 года назад

Yo Kaptain Kuba, big fan

@KaptainKuba 2 года назад

@@tanishqpathak2712 thank you for watching 😉

@clairepandabear 2 года назад

This reminds me of that one scene from the matrix: Oracle: "I'd ask you to sit down, but, you're not going to anyway. And don't worry about the vase." Neo: "What vase?" [Neo knocks over a vase of flowers, which shatters on the floor.] Oracle: "Ohh, what's really going to bake your noodle later on is, would you still have broken it if I hadn't said anything?"

@nauticalcynosurenc2706 2 года назад

I thought that said Onceler

@LavenderFx Год назад

Dan Harmon avoided threads for this reason. Take note.

@patrickoconnor6893 Год назад

Matpats cockiness about being able to change games makes me want to jumpkick him.

@InsideAMindInsideAMind 2 года назад

A great video. I personally see a similar problem in ARG's/web series too. I think a lot of creators worry about revealing too much to the point fans might stop talking about their work. The influence of videos like these and how we consume media has been fascinating to me this past year. Glad to see your coverage on this too.

@newthejsterjacob408 2 года назад

Oh my gosh Inside a Mind, I love you and I agree with your point, but I do love the videos you make

@polkadotjohnson 2 года назад

When two channels you love interact it's almost as pretty as an eclipse

@newthejsterjacob408 2 года назад

@@polkadotjohnson very true and very poetic

@aubreyterry9453 2 года назад

I love your channel!

@gealachmidnight6614 2 года назад

Omg hi IAM

@gabrielespindola4461 2 года назад

The developers should never change the game's story just because of fan theories, be they right or wrong. They should only make changes they belive are better than what they already have.

@malknight4197 9 месяцев назад

don't worry, I would never say jumpkick

@master-gaming9338 7 месяцев назад

I'd write "Jumpkick" but MatPat would be mad.

@r3bel758 2 года назад

As a fanfic writer, I'm usually ecstatic when someone figures out the next plotpoint I'm introducing. It makes me happy knowing that it makes sense, and it makes them happy knowing they got it right. Companies shouldn't be changing the plots of their stories and games just because someone predicted them, and it always sucks when the Internet goes "oh! we figured this out!" so the story gets thrown into the trash.

@LeuBlue 2 года назад

So true haha

@ooi97 2 года назад

More than that, these companies don't take into account that their plot is going to become known anyway and it will have to defend itself from scrutiny for years to come.

@Smiuley 2 года назад

Same, I do write original work and if I have a plot twist, I want to achieve an "Omg that makes so much sense" moment, but a "I knew it!" is just as great. The worst is if it doesn't make sense from a reader's perspective or if the clues haven't been laid out properly

@nickter745thebold8 2 года назад

It would make me absolutely furious if someone figured out what I was writing and I’d be forced to restart everything from scratch. It ticks me off like you wouldn’t believe.

@djsanders4813 2 года назад

@@nickter745thebold8 Why would you have to restart? That's just overly insecure.

@veli9755 2 года назад

Matpat. The only person that’ll make a theory inside of a theory, he already hypothesized.

@muddyman_eughh 2 года назад

@u know me soap cutting asmr?

@ayaanrathore 7 месяцев назад

I'm pretty sure that email was from Andrew Dayton, CEO of Steel Wool. And I think the game was Security Breach. But hey, that's just a theory, A GAME THEORY!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

@Banana807 7 месяцев назад

Game came out the way it did because of crunch, not because of matpat

@ayaanrathore 7 месяцев назад

@@Banana807 Yeah, but it could also fit in that category

@galaxystarmau_official 11 месяцев назад

theorist making games: maybe i can do this i wannna get a video on it me: i hope i don't get a video on this. matpat: indie games are indie games we might cover them.

@ozone20rulez 2 года назад

"Yes, and" from Improv comedy might be a useful trick. Whenever in DnD, as a DM, find that my players are able to predict where the storyline is going (Or get over excited about a storyline I didn't really think about) I tend to set what they predict in stone, BUT add more to it, so they feel satisfied in their ability to theorize about my DnD game, but are also surprised by unexpected turns and events.

@MiuKujo 2 года назад

Exactly, I do something very similar. Sometimes, the theories your players have are even better than the twists you had planned.

@wonderinart8429 2 года назад

That's a great strategy

@esppupsnkits4560 2 года назад

“Yes, and” plus “no, but” are quite useful

@ItsJustLom 2 года назад

See, what developers and writers seem to forget, is that if fans are theorizing about your story... it means the fans are *interested.* It means we're paying attention. Don't punish fans for enjoying and being engaged in your story by sabotaging your story just to try and surprise us.

@-Luocha- 2 года назад

Finally the dumb bots are here. Anyways I agree with what you said

@noheffthing 2 года назад

Devs are still amazing tho.

@BobbF. 4 месяца назад

MatPat, congrats on hitting 4.5M views on this Theory Vid! I know it may be a bit smaller video that you're use to getting but it's still great no matter! I miss MatPat hosting every theory video, so I've been adding to the millions that liked these theory vids before me so hopefully MatPat will make a comeback outta retirement someday soon!!! That's a theory for another day!

@eliannah609 Год назад

Me: I’m sorry Matpat but you can’t tell me not to do something and then expect me not to do it * proceeds to search lemon party* Also me: 👁️👄👁️

@notactuallyacat. 2 года назад

If developers/writers don’t want us to solve the mystery, then that begs the question: why did you bother leaving clues?

@akira8393 2 года назад

it's basically just left for a speculation but when you have a fan that just basically spoiled everything before the big reveal, that's when it becomes a problem

@THEJPIndustry 2 года назад

So that after the twist the fans can go back/replay and be like omg its foreshadowed here, what an idiot i am for not thinking about this"

@DarkRaikon 2 года назад

well .... games sell more when you're unsure...

@Predated2 2 года назад

The better thing to ask is: why did you leave so many clues? Because often enough, if it takes 1 game for the player base to deduce the plottwist as one of the biggest things to happen in the next game, even if it is a plottwist you preferred was kept secret but discoverable on second playthrough, then you simply left too many clues. The key rule to plottwists is to leave out enough evidence to hint at a potential plottwist, but that there is more evidence on the contrary. Again, not too much to a point where it feels like the potential plottwist is being covered up making it more obvious. But just enough red herrings to show there is something is not right, but with enough normality for players to not dig too deep. Let alone that the biggest killer of plottwists is devs adding certain files that can be detected by the second game that have super obvious names. And if someone manages to guess it correctly even against your best efforts to avoid it being revealed, just admit defeat and toss them a bone or easter egg in the update.

@kamieldekoning6639 2 года назад

@@akira8393 but no one spoiled anything because you don't know if it's right. you will still be excited about a twist even if matpat made a video about it correctly

@il_moddo 2 года назад

"Let us have SOMETHING" is a key sentence I think. It's like twist villains in movies, someone turns out to be the big bad making a 180 change in personality without any clue pointing out to it it just feels forced

@eatyourcreal9365 2 года назад

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@squadnft5176 2 года назад

@@eatyourcreal9365 yessir🔥🔥🔥