Game Theory: How Zelda Breath of the Wild SOLVES The Zelda Timeline! 

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The Game Theorists damn..

I just don't understand why Nintendo would put it in the downfall timeline when it says IN GAME that link has been in twilight princess. I thought that was a dead giveaway.

The Game Theorists NO IT IS NOT FALLEN HERO IT IS WHERE HERO TRIUMPANTS

True

Eat it game theory

No problem ✋🏻🍼

Botw comes after twilight princess, its confirmed by the newest botw2 trailer

I was honestly upset when I heard him say that considering during the Gerudo section of the Main Quest one of the Gerudo (I forgot if it was the ruler or the champion) explicitly says that Ganon had a Gerudo form.

Gaming Blastoise It’s actually in all three but okay

@patty_12 Yeah but that was a cop out. If you actually looked at the story lore to the game then you'd see that Nintendo all along had the Downfall Timeline in mind when creating BotW. Heck even the overall theme of the game is from the Downfall Timeline.

@@ligerjgold6686 MatPat released a video proving how BOTW could be part of all 3 timelines, it takes place after Hyrule warriors which is a game where the timelines got combined, so BOTW would be part of all 3. I think BOTW is Nintendo's way of fixing the timelines once and for all, BOTW 2 is taking place shortly after BOTW so BOTW2 could be the start of a new linked timeline.

@@youtubestuff683 I thought I remembered reading something about Nintendo confirming that BOTW is all three

@@popsicIes that maybe I just know when MatPat covered it he showed it wasn't really connected to anything in any of the timelines so he suggested that hyrule warriors is the game that connects them all. You can watch his video on it to see what I'm talking about.

Oof

What game is that from?

@@pokebeast1745 _sad reva- _*_ravioli_*_ noises_

To be fair, its stated that Zora can only swim in sweet water, like rivers or lakes, so salt water would probably be harmful if not straight poison.

@@thegreatherox sweet water?

@@aexxir non salty water I guess

@@c4nn0n17 fresh water

@@aexxir ahhaha

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Ikr

I mean-Well-...Touche

i was thinking the same thing

Don´t you mean The Legend of Zelda: Civil War?

Iamthesuper Rebellwolf The Legend of America: Civil War

The Legend of Fans: Civil War

LoL

Heaven Toms ok

I laughed more than I should have ahahah, love it

Dat is more true than I thought in a comic nice

I did it instagram.com/p/B-KW23gpB-B/

can you put it on reddit or something? i dont use instagram.

L m a o

That's my feeling as well

MatPat theorizes this in a video about Hyrule Champions.

Hyrule game lol but they say it's non cannon

I remember hearing somewhere that it’s confirmed all of the past games are myths and that botw is so far in the future it’s impossible to tell which stories are real and which ones are legend

​@fearlessjake465 watch the video, he has very convincing points as to why it is cannon. If we've learned anything from fnaf, mat is right more than the developers themselves

Yep it was the adult time line not the failed

@@jaymyster7262 no, I'm pretty sure that it's on the child timeline.

@@jaymyster7262gonna have to agree with grief wizard

Grief Wizard yeah got them confused

Ultranite miNt yep I meant child

this, especially when he says "look once more at the hat of the wild" it looks more like a lighter green compared to the rest of the hat than yellow whereas all the other yellow striped hats were very clearly yellow no matter the shading

Exactly he's so stupid lmfao

what I noticed was crosshatching on the tunic of all the failed hero timeline... which supports his theory but... I still don't think a clothing trend proves his point really.

LACK OF PANTS! ...sometimes. Most of the time.

But if anything it does have the differently colored stripe. It's still there. Don't be so damn jerky.

Yes true

recently played through the game and the dlc (but also started age of calamity so maybe its from there) but she does say that she feels responsible to help, because she is ashamed of Ganons gerudo origin.

Nintendo definetlly has not been keeping track of their continuity from the very first game in the series.

@@weissisasian then why do the Goddess Trilogy books exist?

@@weissisasianthey definitely have

The corps that is quite clearly the body of twighlight princess Gannon. Of the young timeline

Take that matpat

@@loo_wee that would mean botw 1 & 2 would be between the fallen and successful timeline. And where the malice is coming out of is ganons fatal stab wound from the sword of the six sages where they had their attempted execution.

Imagine if they travel through different timelines wohohoho

I'm thinking botw caps off all three timelines to make it less of a ballache

Termina's... well... one of my dreams.😅

Isaiah Gamez i was about to say that

YA GOTTA SEPARATE THE HYRULES FROM THE TERMINA! #AHWM

Ooooooof

Ah geez Epona we ain't in Hyrule no more!

Thats what i thought as well

Wrong they placed this game in the downfall timeline. It's all there. Link's tunic of the wild hat final concept art has that yellow stripe. Lynels existence and finally the Sage Ruto is mention as part of Hyrule's history.

I believe that some event made all three timelines converge. there are clothes for most of the heros in the dlc and there is enough evidence to support all three

@@isitgabriel Evidence is DLC? Dude the DLC with those clothes and mask are literally none canon to the story of BotW.

it supposed to be so far that the stories of the heroes of the past (zelda games) have faded to myth

hell yeah we stan a freaky gerudo dude for botw 2

Yep sooo hyped can't wait

Emai Lucina Blade i stan my dude

And now he shows his final form

He also fergot the quest about the twighlight portal

Except if you watch the cutscenes in BOTW, Zelda _never_ gets visions, or hears or sees spirits of any kind. Her inability to do these things, as well as lacking the sealing power, are why she sees herself as a failure and blames herself for Calamity Ganon's success in destroying Hyrule. Rather, she says that her mother, grandmother and other woman ancestors of the royal family could do such thing. Rather, Zelda is reciting a speech that predates herself.

That would explain why she trusts him so much, even though he failed

maybe the Memorys of each Zelda is sealed with Ganon all togther - so when Ganon breaks out, the Memorys will too. Maybe this extents beyond the Timelines. The BotW Zelda didnt got her power tho, but thats more related to the Triforce itself then to the outbreak of Ganon.

FynnFTW Zelda has always been blessed with power. In Skyward Sword, she did not have it and had magic. Also in Minish Cap and Four Swords, before the Triforce Split. She did awakened her magic due to stress and love. Memories from past lives sounds like something Nintendo would not add without mentioning

Me. I believe that it's in the Child Timeline.

@@TheRealRidley12 Same here, it has the provinces, landmarks, and overall just makes sense.

@@noahhathaway5065 Though, we'll have to wait until Nintendo gives us more info to know for sure.

@@TheRealRidley12 I think child too cause ganondorf chest his where the malice is coming from and thats where he was stabbed in twilight princess. Plus adult timeline master sword is lost in the sea.

@@dragonballhaven1417 Only one problem with that: Ganondorf died in TP and reincarnated in Four Swords Adventures.

Wait he shed is form like he said what if was saving his old ganondorf form just Incase

@@bluejojo9026 no just no

What if its ganon's power from the child and fallen timelines. I know it sounds dumb but its possible

@@arc3510 i agree with that. Its definately possible he saved his old body. If he transformed into the demon king, then he could have left behind a shell which he could have gone back into if his demon king form failed.

Maybe botw 2 will take place in a different timeline

God. This is, without a doubt, as confusing as the FNAF timeline.

@@spiritmanderthecharmander5666 i just said 2d = fallen. Try fit anything else anywhere

I heard a theory that calamity is actually the hatred of demise, while ganondorf is just a vessel for calamity. That's why it can exist as it's own entity seperate from ganondorf

Xd

so zelda puts laxatives in his (ganons) wine. embarrasing him so much he goes away. this leads to the CDI games.

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Hoopy Frood I thought this too lol

???

Yeah, that wasn’t his brightest moment. I still love the channel though.😅

Took me ober a year to get MatPats joke

Lol

They do mention "the golden triangle" though

And its seen plenty of times at the place where you find memory 1 there is a picture of the triforce on the ground with the symbols of the triforce of courage, wisdom, and power.

And it's seen as well when Zelda uses her power

It's shown in the game but it's never mentioned

and Ganondorf

Those items come from BoTW so let’s not credit ToTK for having them lol

yes please

With all the Links fighting side by side... just take my money

There's an fan artist who is making a plot out of that, search them as LinkedUniverse if you're interested

@@samael759 I actually found that a few weeks ago I love it lol. It's got everything I want. Thanks for the recommendation

Hyrule Warriors ?

This is my favorite timeline out of all of them

i have never read something more beautiful in my life

Y'all looking at the next MatPat right here

Clap and a half.

Can confirm. My friend's brother's uncle's sister's cousin's neighbor's grandmother's pet chicken is secretly CEO of Nintendo and told me this is the true canon timeline.

That's what I'm saying

That's what I think as well. I do think the "primary" timeline that BOTW is drawn from is downfall, but I think its more likely that the event that spawned the first Calamity Ganon was the merging of all 3 timelines, which is why there are so many easter eggs/connections to every timeline in BOTW. When you look at the ancient arrows that were created from ancient sheikah technology, what exactly do they do? They appear to open up a dimensional rift that can blink some enemies out of existence. What if the Sheikah, with their advanced technology, discovered a way to peer through the different timelines using this same dimensional rifting technology? But something went wrong in their experiments, collapsing all 3 timelines together in a momentous, singularity type event. And that the result was an even more powerful version of Ganon, possibly one that consumed and took on the power of his alternate timeline counterparts? I would like to add that I have not played TOTK yet, I am literally just now playing BOTW so if this stuff is all being answered in the sequel, I don't want to know about it yet lol.

Hex A. Decimal lel

Hex A. Decimal ugly yellow stripe?

8-Bit The MusicDroid *to

Hex A. Decimal and a lot more evidence

Space to open

That's what I think as well. I do think the "primary" timeline that BOTW is drawn from is downfall, but I think its also the case that the event that spawned the first Calamity Ganon was the merging of all 3 timelines, which is why there are so many connections to every timeline in BOTW. I agree that the 3 different Hyrule "spaces" were all twisted and melded into 1 new reality as a result of this merging. As to to how this happened, I do have 1 theory. When you look at the ancient arrows that were created from ancient sheikah technology, what exactly do they do? They appear to open up a dimensional rift that can blink some enemies out of existence. What if the Sheikah, with their advanced technology, discovered a way to peer through the different timelines using this same dimensional rifting technology? But something went wrong in their experiments, collapsing all 3 timelines together in a momentous, singularity type event. And that the result was an even more powerful version of Ganon, possibly one that consumed and took on the power of his alternate timeline counterparts? I would like to add that I have not played TOTK yet, I am literally just now playing BOTW so if this stuff is all being answered in the sequel, I don't want to know about it yet lol.

FreezeFlame64 the secret fnaf animatronic

That's actually another theory. Look it up.

Erm I own the game. I haven't played it in a while but I do remember that. Maybe it was removed in the HD edition but trust me, that guy creeps me out enough for me to remember.

MrFr1day what would you search? I'm curious.

In Wind Waker, there's an island called Spectacle Island, which is Spectacle Rock half submerged in the Great Sea. The Great Sea is Hyrule, just magicly flooded with water. The other games, in the Adult Timeline, don't have a Spectacle Rock because they don't take place in Hyrule. After the events of Wind Waker, Link and Zelda leave the Great Sea (Phantom Hourglass) to find a place to settle a New Hyrule (Spirit Tracks). If BotW was in the Adult Timeline, not only would the Great Sea have to disappear, but Zelda's family would have to move back to Old Hyrule, resettle, and rebuild it.

It's called Spectacle Island in WW. The theory is it's a flooded Spectacle Rock but, to my knowledge, was never confirmed to be such. zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Spectacle_Island

Bruh that's Ganondorf? I thought it was an old lady

@@itdasu830 bruhh😂😂

The king was stupid the fortune teller told him the key to defeating calamity ganon lies beneath hyrule the divine beast were useless the real threat was the source of the malice a.k.a the corpse in the botw 2 trailer ( ganons human form from twilight princess)

Pretty sure that isn't Ganondorf under Hyrule Castle. It's Demise.

@@TheLonelyWanderer1 are you serious or is it just joking

It's disgusting

I imagine the easiest one to find smiling and Photoshop and wink onto

@@ericgurganus5193 or it was just the funniest because of the sheer absurdity. I mean even in the same game there is a shot of Zelda after the (spoilers....kinda its 20 years old) reveal that she is Sheik, she has a moment where she tilts here head and smiles at Link. Would be pretty easy to use that one.

Lol im no expert on Photoshop cx

I clicked the timestamp and got so spooked by the sound.

No

I haven’t had a chance to play BOTW yet (that’s my disclaimer). Here’s a few more things to ponder: - The Dark World could be the Fallen counterpart to the Twilight Realm, as LTTP Link uses a magic mirror to escape it - The Great Sea that exists in Adventure of Link goes far beyond Hyrule and the vast North Kingdom, and is traversed by raft & winged boots. - That game was also the first appearance of many Sage/Hero names, which are town names in Z2AOL. This would suggest that the Goron were still remembered to some extent in the Fallen timeline, and may have been in hiding. - Link’s Awakening has a Leviathan in the Wind Fish So still nothing conclusive to any one timeline! My personal theories: 1) Demise/Gannon/Gannondorf “The Thief” Dragmire somehow became aware of his counterparts in the other timelines and found a way to merge his selves together in a time before BOTW, forming the “Calamity” über-Gannon. The various timelines may have become entangled as a result. If Calamity Gannon did this prior to events 100 years before, an earlier, unmentioned cataclysm may have mashed up the timelines, explaining the crossover elements in geography, characters, and lore. 2) BOTW isn’t happening during an incarnation of Link, Zelda, or Demise. Instead, it takes place in an afterlife which is shared between all timelines. Link’s 100 year sleep was actually an incarnation of the Hero, during which Gannon was sealed away and unable to return. After the Hero’s death, Link returns to the afterlife to wage war against his eternal nemesis. Here the elements from every incarnation are slowly remembered and merged into one transcendent metaphysical reality, explaining quirks specific to each timeline still showing up everywhere. (Hahaha, I know)

the gorons are in the oracle games actually which are in the downfall fallen hero timeline so get schooled. Plus Nintendo made an official statement which ways that BotW is actually a convergence of all the timelines which could be an event that could be better explained in a future game just like how skyward sword explained how zelda and link keep on reincarnating.

gorons are in the Oracle games my guy

One nitpick: Memory scenes show Link and Zelda using their Triforce pieces. Unless you mean to say that the Triforce in its physical form is unmentioned and unseen due to all the pieces being posessed since OOT, you can't say they don't appear.

According to my knowledge, faron, eldin and lanayru were in skyward sword wich is in the start of the timeline so those places existing in both twilight princess and botw doesnt mean that theyre in the same timeline.

Well EXCUUUUUUUUUUUSE me!

Lol

@@Wykesidefruitmachine MY BOI

@@Wykesidefruitmachine I heard that in my head

The show is non-canon I think

RUN BITCH RUNNNN!!!

Lol

GravitySloth Gasp *faceclap

That's a pretty interesting theory

that is..... a very good theory

yo... you're onto something with that

OMG *cheek slaps*

And the collar differences

I know you're joking and I don't fully agree with this video either, but please for the love of God do not 'tsk' ironically or unironically.

Holy cow you're right...

@@TuftyTaltan That was the most glaring thing I saw! The collar is always stitched up in the fallen hero, but not in any others. Also, the sleeves.

Mohammed Avdul?

spiritupgrade maybe he just wanted to piss off his editors

Quiet And Queer well he sure has done it

Also if anyone gets a little offended for This is mean I want you to do one thing for me.... press the power button and go outside

he did a reference to the old spice commercials XD

Curlorly06 I'm so glad you said this cause that's what I thought he was referencing

Me too! When he built it up I was like “ohhh they all have brown sleeves!” And then he mentions the yellow stripe and I’m like “oh, okay, that too.”

furthermore, the outfit, in general, is reminiscent of that in the failed hero timeline

I actually noticed that too

Wow I just saw that

Yes He could used the Project M render for OoT Zelda

Dee the Top Hat I mean /technically/ she's 117

i see nothing wrong with this, its the only cute... *ahem* i mean logical choice >.> based on facts, that are so apparent that listing them would... insult your intelligence... yes...

+jaffar8 I mean do you understand what pedophilia is

SaibaTheKid H+ He doesn't do the editing. But yeah, of curse : D

I mean I still think it would be easier to evolve ability to survive seawater instead of fresh water than it would be to evolve the ability to fly

Al Weighs Wright then survivability because they can get eaten by big fishes

I'm pretty sure the Goddess was also involved... but I'm not sure. But the thing is, if you take a freshwater fish and put it in saltwater, it dies quickly.

So, explain Majora's Mask Zoras, please.

Sure. Canonically, Termina was simply a figment of Skull Kid's imagination and ceased to exist at the end of the game. Therefore, since it's not real, it explains how Zoras live in saltwater, how Link meets people he already knew from Hyrule, etc.

Glen Greenia I was looking as their torsos, the ones he shows have crossing strings or whatever at the top when the others he showed didn't

I honestly thought he was saying the other Links were blonde/blonder, while the failed time line was all brunettes.

The brown underwear, actually. I don't why he decided on the yellow strap, but hey that works too.

Glen Greenia I thought it was the brown undershirt

Glen Greenia I thought it was that in the failed hero timeline, it was the hair and two stitches on the chest at first until he pointed out the yellow stripe

in fact the Gods changed the zora so there could not swim down to hyrule

salty water. the normal zoras cant live in that

Also take into account the lack of sunlight getting down to aquatic plants meaning the zora's main source of food would likely die off. The mixing of salt water and fresh water, as well as the pressure change would make life uninhabitable for any fish life. it's strange that even octorocs are able to survive to become big enough . . . wait. It's been proven that water pressure dictates size of fish, there was an experiment where a bunch of fish from birth were placed in different pressure tanks, and they all grew to different sizes directly correlating with their tank's pressure. Nintendo you clever Bastards.

zelda also mentions alttp

THANK you. He also wears more shorts in that timeline as well.

He didn't mention it in the video itself, but he did in his comment. He mentioned how he only chose the yellow stripe because it was the most obvious to him.

Or the collar being joined by X stitching. Other time lines have V necks or open collars.

QuiteSeriousGameReviews ok

Pretty sure Minish cap has it

*looks at Skyward sword*

yea but minish cap and skyward sword all appear in the renufied timeline. in the 3 spilt timelines ,he's right . it only appears in the downfall timeline

Liam White thats not the master sword. Its *skyward sword*

Damian Disbrow that's some super shitty evidence right there

not a lot of GT and FT videos do that, do they. Let's not even bring up the ar-stay ars-way ediction-pray ideos-vay

Yup

@@curtisleblanc5897 Impressive usage of pig-latin typed out, took me five minutes to decipher.

I'll say it did. Nothing ever said that Ganon couldn't return to his Gerudo form in the failed link timeline. I think the video still stands

@@jeremycurle6880 Thanks.

Think its sometime after TP because neck went cracc

Zelnam flashbacks... Oh no... i said "yes" to hear it again... No..no.. NOOO

OH MY GOD DOOD FOR REAL..

I did that too😭

ooh man, WHY did they have to put "No." as the first response to "Did you understand?"

I have never related to something soo much in my life

So this is where my escaped clone went

*become addicted to zelda* Ummm

You are going to eventually start cosplaying from Zelda. Trust me I was in the same boat at you when I was new to Zelda.

Uhm Zelda is my childhood, I was addicted since I was like 4, 5 or 6 years old.

Manga isn't cannon

depends whos playing her

Maybe she needs someone who's really feeling it?

AceHappy :D Wisdom does not mean foresight...

AceHappy :D #notcanon

Has anyone at Nintendo ever said anything about Zelda being able to see through time? No? Then that's not evidence.

I think everybody was waiting for that shoe to drop. But no MatPat decided to go with yellow stripe.

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I thought it was the strings at the neck.

same

I thought it was his ego

Awesome noticing that. I Applaude you

Python78 huh, didn't know Nintendo was low key supporting this timeline idea

Not to memtion that the collar has the same stiching in the front

Python78 yep that is true

I've been supporting the downfall timeline since day 1. Also there's so much evidence it points to it

M. de k. Apparently I'm colorblind

M. de k. Why does it matter that they are the same yellow

pls, not another black and blue dress argument... there's a thumbnail for the item crying out lound

It totally is light green and not yellow. The yellow in the hat of the failed hero branch is very bright yellow , the one from breath of the wild is not as yellow as it is green XD #Failtheory. Love you matpat, but it doesn't make sense.

Lol it's green

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That's an "island". Not a mountain. Big difference.

In Wind Waker, Hyrule flooded and the 'islands' are the remains of high ground. Logically, that includes mountains.

gamephreak5 Lol? Go read a geography book

Spectacle island is only _theorized_ to be spectacle rock, and it certainly doesn't have the same shape as spectacle rock, if the water in WW was removed, spectacle island would look like a large mountain that has two flat peaks, as opposed to what spectacle rock actually looks like which is two small nearly identical flat-top hills next to each other.

He even pointed to Hyrule Castle and didn't get it. Mountains and islands are one thing. Actual manmade structures are different. Those mountains would have been around since SS. TP's castle would have been around only in the CT.

I like this.

2020 people still be cuccos

@@popsicIes Sick cucoos

BBaggins 2112 I did and longer hair then the other heroes

lol also you can imply Fallen heroe has brown sleeves, child link has green sleeves, and adult link has short sleeves

You can also notice two cross string things on the neck of the shirt. There are many features that are simular.

Yeah and I’m looking at the tunic rn in my game and it doesn’t ’ have the yellow band/strap it’s green FFS!

pescalante2, it is yellow, but it's just because: 1 - lighting that makes it look green, and or 2 - maybe, a mix between yellow and some green ( just a pinch of green). But overall, now we know where it places in. So yaaay😄

DeltaScorch62 That's what I thought too

I had noticed the collar stitches, although one game is missing those

I'm glad someone else saw it, too!

All this time I thought the outfit was just for the Style

Honestly you COULD argue the band is a light green, and not yellow... In this scenario, the brown sleeves are more solid then the hat.

Reeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!

Happy screeches ???

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When was that?

I think that was Lorule / Dark World

*Link: A Name That Makes Sense*

Or you know, he could be hinting at the people he is going to include in Doctor Who Part 3, but thats absurd.

Awesome1 yeah that's pretty absurd. There's no way he's finishing that theory. XD

i liked what that dude said ,stop ruining it pls.

I don't think Matpat is daying he's the doctor, but I think he's saying it may be this John Titor guy

Matpat*