Game Theory: Joel's Choice Meant Nothing! (The Last of Us)

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The Last of Us is one of the most gut wrenching games to come out in recent memory and, since The Last of Us Part 2 is out now, what better time to sink my teeth into this franchise! You know that gut punch, emotional rollercoaster ride I was just talking about? What if I told you that your final choice of the game to save Ellie or let her die to save the world was WRONG? What do I mean? Get ready Theorists, I'm about to blow your mind!
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Комментарии : 13 тыс.

@Th3Nexus 4 года назад

When Ellie was tuning the guitar, I said sarcastically "Oh, I bet she's gonna play Megalovania." As soon as I heard those four notes, I fell out of my chair laughing.

@chadgerman3987 4 года назад

She does play A-ha Take on Me.

@DakotaofRaptors 4 года назад

Gross

@zaiden_2006 4 года назад

Amazing

@MrWATCHMEN1000 4 года назад

I started laughing hard too

@theofficialDaDu 4 года назад

i thought the same lmao, i knew MatPat was up to something fishy

@WKANDA4EVR 3 года назад

Fun fact: a doctor reacted to this game and he said he would never kill a person to make a vaccine. He said it’s immoral and unnecessary. According to him, there are numerous ways to make a vaccine without killing Ellie... just putting that out there.

@abigailgriffin-wc3fm Год назад

Well that seems familiar. Listening to the actual science professors is never what the officials do

@Steve-yn3cs Год назад

The Fireflies are stupid cliché villains. It's why Joel never took them seriously. And they were going to murder Ellie for an uncertainty.

@blakelandry9313 10 месяцев назад

The doctor in last of us was a desperate guy who made a horrible, dumb choice and clearly didn’t know what he was doing. Vaccines don’t cure fungi

@Costanza1459 9 месяцев назад

🤦‍♂️

@smokeymcbongwater 5 месяцев назад

Yeah but let's say it would work, while I agree with him it's a completely different story when the world is at stake,if I had a choice between one person dying and the whole world ending I am choosing the one person,but to be fair the world was already ending

@Fervent_Griffin 3 года назад

What's funny is that the game actually mentioned in little journals, notes, and recording that you can find that the likelihood of success is incredibly low for the surgery to begin with because of the fact that Cordiceps is a fungus, not a virus. So, to make matters worse, they acted out of fear rather than sound judgement.

@BenDover-tk3jj 2 года назад

What t

@JamieZero7 2 года назад

yeah in the first game you were given the impression they were right in the head. If I remember right. But all that went in the bin with part 2.

@alantherock225 2 года назад

@@JamieZero7 Not sure if you're referring to the fireflies, the main characters, or the game developers...but you would be correct in all three cases.

@Fervent_Griffin Год назад

@@lrsb1678 You can find audio logs and written logs regarding the success and likelihood of testing at the University shortly before the encounter where Joel gets impaled.

@sleeplessmax Год назад

THANK YOU! Clear that many didn't actually read or listen to the notes

@SW12234 3 года назад

An ER Doctor actually confirmed after reacting to TLoUPII that they wouldn't risk killing an individual for a vaccine because they'd find another way, and it's impractical. Joel's decision saved her life. One of the few problems that came out of Joel's decision was Ellie's desire to make her death matter, and how she felt like he took it from her. During the game it was made clear that the Doctors weren't professionals so Joel DID save her life, because they would've killed her in the process of figuring out how to obtain the cure and her death would've been meaningless in terms of finding a vaccine.

@RashtaEinthisB Год назад

Fair but 1 it's a game and 2 it's the apocalypse

@chadmann2724 Год назад

@@RashtaEinthisBthats not an excuse even if its a fact

@SuperboyLilly Год назад

Is there a video of this that I can watch?

@WizardofOzzie Год назад

@@SuperboyLilly ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-BtyYt3D8xu8.html around timestamp 5:07

@anisahmed2331 Год назад

Didn’t Marlene say like that cure/ not cure would still have the fungus but would do less harm when Joel first walks up

@ailehunter 3 года назад

"The fireflies were just idiots." It carries so much meaning and delivery.

@Tmtrnr22 3 года назад

Why do I now imagine Joel‘s last words being like this: „Anyway, those fireflies were just idiots, they deserved to die.“ 😂

@justinarney3050 3 года назад

They sadly passed that trait to their children as well

@Tmtrnr22 3 года назад

But in all honesty, I would have loved if Joel’s last words would have been like Rick‘s last words in TWD, something that has a deeper meaning.

@RetroRuin 3 года назад

Especially when Abby The bigger idiot's daughter kills Joel , the guy that did absolutely nothing wrong. I guess saving Ellie from getting killed withoUT consent is perfectly fine. Saving her? Absolutely Not Fine.

@willthomas2310 3 года назад

@@RetroRuin What? Lol! She killed joel because joel killed her father, in the original game.

@noam4723 3 года назад

im astonished by how well matpat explained viruses and fungi without making it complicated

@Ze_N00B 3 года назад

Not to bash the newer theories, but old GT WAS mainly just online school done by someone downright talented in teaching complicated subjects in an interesting and intuitive way. It made me happy to know that he's still capable of doing so.

@ynrikotowers4374 3 года назад

Yeah I liked the older theories there is something from them that the newer ones are missing. I liked the history, mythology and of course THE SCIENCE. I hope this continues.

@prince-tc6yv 3 года назад

Yea, Mat's a "fungi".

@lunatickidman4251 3 года назад

He explain better than my science teacher

@intimidatingicosahedron5083 3 года назад

Nope. He compared a fungi to a plant despite the fact that it is extremely different. The only similarities are superficial as in they cant move like other life forms can. Generally speaking a fungi is as closely related to a plant as is an animal. They're their own separate things. And calling fungi just plants that use life forms for sustainance is wrong as there in fact are parasitic plants and plants that feed off of living beings.

@callunas 3 года назад

Everyone seems to forget that Ellie never gave consent to their medical experimentation/literal murder

@bronmill33 2 года назад

Its pretty weird seeing people try to make the argument that she wanted to die and that Joel did something wrong by preventing her from being killed. Ellie is still a child who isn’t even capable of giving any kind of consent, and even if she was ok with it the fireflies never ran it by her and asked if she did want to do it. I think saving a child from having their brain removed without their consent is more morally justified than a dying organization murdering a child for their own gain without having any resources to properly develop and manufacture a vaccine in the apocalypse

@carlos_takeshi 2 года назад

@@bronmill33 You two absolutely get the core issue. The Fireflies are child murderers. Regardless of their motives or chances of success, stopping them is 100% the correct moral choice. No doubt about it. I agree that they are moronic incompetents and their plan would never have worked, but they could have waited for Ellie to wake up and asked for her consent. The fact that they expressly didn't, and kept Joel away from her, shows they KNEW what they were doing was wrong. In my playthrough, I actually ignored the doctors at first because they were just cowering in fear. I went to the near side of the surgical table and tried to pick Ellie up. No, said the game. I tried to go around to the right. Denied. So I went around to the left. That's when the doctor attacked me with the scalpel. I did the quick time event and Joel disarmed him, and killed him with the scalpel. Huh. Well, that was stupid on the doctor's part. Time to get Ellie and go. I would have let him live if he hadn't attacked me. I think that's pretty generous towards the guy who's trying to kill my surrogate daughter. The most aggressive move I made was open the door suddenly then try to push my way past him. The fact I killed him while defending myself doesn't trouble me at all.

@thisman6205 2 года назад

You're worried about murder, 20+ years into the apocalypse... :/

@Beekehcrit Год назад

@@bronmill33 havent played the 2nd game cause im just too disgusted by its story to even give it a try, but didnt ellie kinda hate joel in part 2 for not letting the fireflies carry out the surgery and "save humanity"? it seems like she still gave consent to it even as an adult

@exan6970 Год назад

@@Beekehcrit Hate is a strong word, I would say she was mad and disappointed at him for lying/hiding the truth.

@chickennugget3742 Год назад

The fact that Jerry the surgeon saved zebra and then within a minute decided to kill a child… this just tells everything about this hypocrite

@rodrigo_tm Год назад

to be fair in the cutscene right after that, when he talks with marlene about ellie, he also doesnt want to kill her

@S_Miclemie 10 месяцев назад

I mean it’s not like he was killing her out of anger or to get satisfaction, he really did believe that killing her would save the world. In my eyes he wasn’t immoral, just ignorant

@KaylaIsaiah 9 месяцев назад

Joel wasn't gonna let Ellie die because of the fireflies stupidity, he absolutely made the right decision.

@nerdTimmyswork 5 месяцев назад

@@S_Miclemiebut he wouldn't do the same if it was his daughter he was the selfish one

@madyjohnston9088 3 года назад

imagine being one of those ants and being conscious like “ay bruh i gotta get back to the colony...no wait wtf wrong way ahaha not cool no seriously stop STOP IT AINT FUNNY”

@katipunan4212 3 года назад

hahaha bruh I'm getting tired, hungry, and thirsty... I wanna see my wife and kids bruh, pls bruh I don't wanna die

@Bl_do 3 года назад

𝔗𝔥𝔢𝔯𝔢 𝔪𝔶 𝔴𝔦𝔣𝔢 𝔞𝔫𝔡 𝔨𝔦𝔡𝔰 𝔫𝔬𝔴 𝔥𝔞𝔥𝔞𝔥𝔞

@matthewpauls2498 3 года назад

it ant funny*

@strawberry8565 3 года назад

@@matthewpauls2498 xD

@Sohbek 3 года назад

They might actually have a primitive form of this thought process, actually. Because ants are actually self-aware. That's kinda horrifying.....

@devilsadvocate6381 3 года назад

"Viruses are not the same as Fungi" People who've played plague Inc: please, I'm not a child

@Qsstert 3 года назад

If you play plague inc. You are a certified doctor

@dribrom 3 года назад

The game does not go into details about this but if you pay attention to the prologue in the first game you can read between the lines that this was a military experiment gone wrong that had leaked out into the public. So there is a sci-fi part to the story that is a bit unrealistic.

@Qsstert 3 года назад

@@dribrom yup

@RescueRapscall2 3 года назад

Can't play it in China

@captainpep3 3 года назад

Rescue RAPscallion I wonder why

@tbfromsd 3 года назад

OMG Finally someone has hit on the thing that has annoyed me most about that game. Keeping Ellie alive should be the fireflies priority. They should be trying to figure out what unique pathophysiology is at play with Ellie. She could have a similar but benign strain of the fungus that chokes out other versions, or unique antibodies, either way you need her alive to find out. If I were Joel, I would object to this procedure on multiple levels, first being a parent its in my programming to protect children especially one who has not given informed consent, nor is old enough to do so. Then we get into moral issues, after all that, we get to why your science sucks.

@dragonstormx Год назад

The Fireflies are stupid villains.

@diveforknowledge Год назад

Someone actually did a video recently looking at the medical charts, papers, and test results presented in the game. She's infected with a benign strain that produces a chemical used in modern antibiotic and antifungal drugs. Hence Ellie's immunity isn't biological, but rather competitive.

@anisahmed2331 Год назад

Marlene is actually Ellie mum since Ellie’s mum told her to take of care her Marlene told tess to take a child to a place but tess gave that job to Joel

@agoblinwithinternet3348 Год назад

@@diveforknowledge Link?

@zawarudo8991 Год назад

@@anisahmed2331 nah, she was the best friends of ellies mum, promised her to protect ellie, then condemned ellie to be dissected for her glorified terrorist group, the fireflies. Without consent. Joel is the one taking care of ellie the entirety of the game, while the other characters don‘t know about the bond they got, marlene points out that she didn‘t believe joel would pull through/ thought they both died along the way. Joel is much more of a surrogate parent than Marlene ever was.

@thatcatdraws7658 3 года назад

It's worth mentioning, since I haven't seen any other comments about it. You can tell they didn't know what they were doing because Joel couldn't have been knocked out for more than a few hours to a day, that's not nearly long enough to warrant chopping her brain to bits. Also, they almost fricken killed her when they knocked Joel out, who was clearly doing chest compressions and not being even remotely threatening whatsoever. They didn't even get to see her brain and how it functioned when she was awake.

@guitardedzach 4 года назад

Hypothetically, let's say they go through with the surgery and are successful in finding a cure. What kind of resources would they actually have to continue to manufacture additional vaccines?

@IamaPERSON 4 года назад

Remember in the first game when some Fireflies attacked the military zone? Maybe part of the reason they've attacked zones like that, is because they have those specific resources.

@CorwinTheOneAndOnly 4 года назад

Based on what we know about the fungus as it is in the games, they'd have to continuously culture Ellie's cure-strain in *other* human beings, leading to mass loss of life and human cultivation in order to maintain a vaccine. A bit of a yikes. (And yes, it's the actual fungus within ellie that is the cure, not anything about her herself. Marlene explains that it is the fungus itself that has mutated and doesn't progress into any of the harmful latter stages, and sorta just chills on the brain.)

@Molten_Anarchist 4 года назад

They also mentioned that the Fireflies were just a resistance group, they only had focused on making a cure when Ellie who was close with one of the members had the strange occurrence of becoming immune. Remember that the WLF (or “Wolves”) in the second game were another resistance group but they had better succession in battling the QZ’s military. If they went through the same events as the Fireflies, a cure would’ve probably already been made or at least the plans of a cure that works would be formed & they’d be gathering more resources for.

@bmogsy967 4 года назад

Exactly, the best way to save everyone is to let ellie’s genes breed until the cure is a genetic thing

@senjuziyad4780 4 года назад

@@IamaPERSON but by the time we reach the fireflies HQ Marlene tells us that the FF are almost done and they lost most of their men I think it was a desperate attempt at best

@e.maleki9927 4 года назад

Joel: wht are you doing kiddo? Elli: I'm gonna give every last one of them a bad time Joel: uhhh... wrong game?

@raulpr4687 4 года назад

Oh god i just L O V E you now XDXDXDXD

@kevinthemusician4767 4 года назад

S T O P

@drcornman8343 4 года назад

My two favorite video games cross over Nice

@Potato928 4 года назад

Elli removes face ITS actally sans

@jenniferfeltner1506 4 года назад

Whatever

@_spt-warwolf_4575 3 года назад

4:05 One of the characters in the game, Sam, who travels with his brother alongside Joel and Ellie for a little bit, he says that this is what he's afraid of the most. Turning but still being alive within the infection without any control over your body.

@lazerfrogstudios Год назад

That even more sad knowing he turned 😢

@AJayZy 9 месяцев назад

@@lazerfrogstudiosHe turned for like 20 minutes

@ItsPREPP98 4 месяца назад

@@AJayZyyes because then his brother shot him

@AJayZy 4 месяца назад

@@ItsPREPP98 Yea so max was 20 minutes

@ItsPREPP98 4 месяца назад

@@AJayZy honestly, you don't know how long he had turned cuz as much as I remember, Ellie opened the door of Sam's room at morning while he had discovered it before night so it is very much possible he turned at night and attacked Ellie when she opened it at morning meaning it could be a few hours too.

@CharlieMikeNS 3 года назад

Abby's dad stopped being a good person the moment he decided to murder an innocent girl. So what if he struggled with it? He decided to go through with it, which makes me feel absolutely no empathy or remorse, no matter how hard the second game tried.

@silverblade357 3 года назад

But.. but he saved a zebra! HE SAVED A ZEBRA, MAN!!

@elitetheking688 2 года назад

One minor to save millions and get the world back to normal yeah I’m killing Ellie too

@CharlieMikeNS 2 года назад

@@elitetheking688 It's far from a guaranteed cure. If you'd murder an innocent girl to "save the majority", you should probably check yourself.

@FondueTheGoober 2 года назад

@@CharlieMikeNS what if it was a guaranteed cure that would save the world

@CharlieMikeNS 2 года назад

@@FondueTheGoober It could never be guaranteed. There's a high likelihood it would result in no cure. I think the whole point of this game is that the choice you would probably make depends on who that person is to you. I don't think you could find any parent on earth that would make that decision, even though Joel isn't Ellie's father, he certainly adopted a father-figure role, and she effectively became his daughter.

@fishyyy7251 4 года назад

so every time someone gets vaccinated their immune system says “just like the simulations “

@Khaki_wrx 4 года назад

fishyyy essentially, yes.

@nelz2804 4 года назад

im sorry but im unable to like this comment it reached the golden number

@Bronzescorpion 4 года назад

Nope, the vaccine is the simulations. It is every time they get infected afterwards they get to say it.

@fishy492 4 года назад

There is another

@midnightqueen8417 4 года назад

Lol I love this comment

@aura6958 3 года назад

If the Lord give Joel another chance to save Ellie he would do it again.

@shubhamkandalgaonkar337 3 года назад

That's a spoiler : Well yes, But actually no.

@Timelesshero1711 3 года назад

Praise the Lord. May he erase TLOU 2. Amen.

@imjustaguy4340 3 года назад

He even said it

@death369reaper 3 года назад

you mean, the same video games lord that allowed millions to die from the infection and millions more killing each other to survive or dying out there without any resources or by clickers

@squigglytoons169 2 года назад

I don't think you understand but I may be wrong here because this might be a VIDEO GAME.....

@Slowess_ Год назад

Insane how exact this is to what the show is currently saying. The writers did their research lmao

@KyanNezhad Год назад

The show hasn't really gotten here yet

@Slowess_ Год назад

@@KyanNezhad I just mean the openings and such. They're really pushing the whole you can't cure it angle.

@KyanNezhad Год назад

@@Slowess_ all I know is I'm incredibly excited to see this story all over again

@StopMotionTony Год назад

Yeah

@AlexKOTP Год назад

@@Slowess_ I'm pretty sure they aren't doing it to be clever. Neil Cuckman has a peanut brain. It's more so to make Ellie seem like more a miracle. Not to negate the actions of the Fireflies. They want Joel to seem as bad of a person as possible for season 2 and they will definitely make it feel like there is a definite cure for Ellie. Just as they did in the game.

@Mr1897WinchesterSlinger Год назад

Let’s not forget the fact that the fire fly that was marching Joel loud near the end of the game did not give him the chance to grab his equipment or items Wichman, either two things he was being marched out to be executed, or if they didn’t let him go. He was going to be left in the infected world with not even a single gun to defend himself, which is basically a death sentence anyway, he also wasn’t compensated or paid the original price for delivering Ellie and he was assaulted multiple times by the fire flies once getting beat on the head with a rifle and then again getting kicked in legs honestly, if first impressions are everything the the fire flies failed miserably. Also, Marlenes audio log explains that the fire flies originally wanted her to kill Joel while he was sleeping, which is completely ruthless he single-handedly got the cure for mankind all the way across America and they were just going to Murk him in his sleep.

@codexastral6279 4 года назад

Intro: *plays a short megalovania* Me: Okay I’m hooked.

@DakotaofRaptors 4 года назад

Gross

@rollman3044 4 года назад

Haha, funny skeleton man music haha funny funny

@londeno_1014 4 года назад

It’s very “funny” I am laughing so hard

@ryanchou5549 4 года назад

Very haha skeleton

@sadzyk12 4 года назад

Was megalovania supposed to be funny I mostly found it as a cool track

@theshiniestgoldenegg160 4 года назад

Game Theorists: "Joel's choice meant nothing" Everyone: *Stares with visible confusion*

@dominicflynn93 4 года назад

I was the 69th like :3

@wizardshark2928 4 года назад

Wouldn’t be the first time this had happened.

@ETHN-lh3js 4 года назад

Me: wat who joel

@geraginny3785 4 года назад

I mean, I and probably alot more people knew. I thought everyone just looked away just to keep the ultimate game choice interesting in the moral perspective xd

@Good_Watch 4 года назад

So guys today I found out my choices meant nothing

@DippedinGold1997 3 года назад

If I were I the game developers I could probably make a whole 3rd game based on the information given in the video. Like Ellie meeting someone like a scientist or something, that tells her the fireflies were wrong and that Joel made the right choice and that kickstarts some sort of chain of events idk...

@Kodoorenji 3 года назад

I hope they do, i want to know what happens after

@oliviadelamarer4652 3 года назад

"The fireflies aren't regrouping" A perfect bridge to part 3

@caitlinconklin5769 3 года назад

I have a podcast and in our episode next Friday I pitch my idea for TLOU part 3 that’s pretty much based off of this theory! If you’re interested our podcast is called Rewind and Replay and can be found on RU-vid or anywhere you listen to podcasts! I totally agree this would make for such a great 3rd game premise!

@Gooberwares 3 года назад

As much as I’d like that I feel Ellie killed hersekf after the 2nd part

@caitlinconklin5769 3 года назад

@@lawrencevalero8111 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--Fft2jEOzEY.html Here you go! Hope you enjoy :)

@jacksonwilliams5399 Год назад

Even the moral argument is mostly on Joel’s side. They didn’t inform him or Ellie about it. They weren’t gonna give Ellie the choice, Ellie was probably too young to reasonably consent such a thing, not to mention Joel grew attached to her, treated her like a daughter, and himself healed from the trauma of losing his last daughter.

@mas8705 4 года назад

“With the game’s final choice being the biggest gut punch in gaming history...” Until the last of us 2 came out and suddenly there was a different kind of gut punch.

@guilhermemarquesani4553 4 года назад

More like other places...

@brianjuarez3186 4 года назад

oof dont remind me

@Ahmedqamislo 4 года назад

I felt that

@averageinternetchristian 4 года назад

@MEME KILLER cant have an apocalypse bunker without a golf tournament

@purple_guy_not3453 4 года назад

Me: I'm not crying your crying

@almostdangerous1412 4 года назад

I feel like a lot of people who were bitten would’ve either killed themselves or been killed before they found out if they were immune or not. It’s not like a zombie is gonna bite you then run away after.

@ElPibePlay1000 4 года назад

THIS Also, they don't know why Ellie is inmune, maybe her brain lacks a vitamin/protein so the fungus can't feed (just like ppl inmune to VIH) TLOU2 could have been the story about how the goverment had inmunity tests but kept them secret (lots of innecesary suicides) The entire pandemic could be an "military experiment gone wrong"

@aisha5156 4 года назад

Isaac Rojas As soon as I read “the government had immunity test but kept them secret” it reminded my of how me and my siblings were jokingly saying that corona virus is exaggerated and it’s a cover up for something. Really makes you think...

@daltonyates758 4 года назад

Not zombies, Ophiocordyceps unilateralis... its same but different, but still same

@leonardojensen2654 4 года назад

Isaac Rojas They should had hired you to direct the game.

@randomcallum 4 года назад

yaawn boring story is boring

@DogPerson626 3 года назад

The real question: if Ellie has kids, will they be infected with the wrong specimen too, and therefore immune?

@dathunderman4 2 года назад

Maybe, maybe not. No one knows. Genetics are extremely complicated. There is a chance tho that she could pass it on

@hunormagyar1843 Год назад

You know what's fun? WE'LL NEVER KNOW CUZ *ELLIE'S GAY BY THE WAY!* lmfao

@dejaypage1575 Год назад

@@hunormagyar1843could still have kids via surrogates

@cataperea8148 Год назад

@@dejaypage1575 It's a post apocalyptic world, I don't think it's a viable option

@Catmoment67892 Год назад

@@hunormagyar1843 okay and?

@claytonmorgan1843 Год назад

I always knew that Joel made the right choice when he saved Ellie.

@nicosan2692 3 года назад

“Vaccines are good. They save lives. Hundreds of thousands of lives.” *Karen did not like that*

@realpadrino 3 года назад

Her kids would have liked that if they weren’t dead

@28stabwounds91 3 года назад

@asmrbully6980 3 года назад

Bahaha

@bowserwithpants9764 3 года назад

heh

@CombatSportsNerd 3 года назад

@@realpadrino oof

@diegomt7901 4 года назад

Game Theory: Joel's choice meant nothing TLOU 2: WE KNOW

@MichixEdits 4 года назад

TLOU 2: I KNOW YOU KNOW. I GET IT.

@CalebEade 4 года назад

TLOU 2: did you guys know joel's Death meant nothing.

@bluntlyhonest6803 4 года назад

@@CalebEade Of course it meant something, Abby got a Joel in one!

@crevanille1966 4 года назад

Did you guys know Joel didn't die? #notfuckingcanonthelastofus2 #Joeldidntdie #thelastofus2doesn'texist

@browniebutt6796 4 года назад

How ? His skull was bashed

@justin2308 3 года назад

Let’s face it. There’s evidence in the game that, no matter what, they might not be able to make the cure at all even with someone who’s immune. There’s even the chance they might not have even developed the surgical process itself correctly. There’s also really not much of anything to save, and by the time of the game, good human nature and common sense has just degraded so much that even the Fireflies have a screw loose in exchange for Social Darwinism. I mean, Joel’s a smuggler- A HUNTER-TURNED-SMUGGLER- and he is one of the relatively rare ones who still has his head screwed on the right way. The second game actually says the WLF were worse than FEDRA. And what does the WLF have in it? A group of former Fireflies. Ellie didn’t deserve to die for a world that would’ve only taken advantage of her murd- sacrifice and abused it. She also didn’t deserve to die if it meant nothing in the end.

@stevenmujica609 Год назад

im really curious and this is not hate, could pls explain where it states the vaccine wouldnt work in the first game?

@anthonyfrazier8368 2 года назад

It’d be cool to see Ellie meet a scientist to actually learn about her condition and why she’s immune in TLoU Part 3.

@TheAkumuKing 4 года назад

MatPat: talking about the difference between Viruses and Fungi Plague Inc players: *the expert*

@danielstencil4537 4 года назад

@DakotaofRaptors 4 года назад

Roanoke Gaming would like to have a word with you

@unoriginalusername6875 4 года назад

Relatable i play Plague inc a lot

@Grandalf3004 4 года назад

Im also pretty certain you find files, documents, and recordings throughout that mission that heavily imply that the fireflies don't think theyre gonna be able to figure anything out with the dissected material.

@zeroaxlkun 4 года назад

Yeah, literally after you drop her off you can find files from researchers there, stating that there had been cases of patients just like Ellie, where they got dissected in hopes to find a cure with them but that yielded no results. So it was literally a tried and true method, where you would have a very low chance to actually get a cure out of her sacrifice. That's a big nope for anyone really

@tomascali1817 4 года назад

@@zeroaxlkun what where I don't remember this. I remember x Ray's and stuff but no prior cases of immunity

@mr.unknown731 4 года назад

@Lost yet Found I'm still puzzled cause most of the killing he does is in self defense.

@zeroaxlkun 4 года назад

@@tomascali1817 I remember that it was mentioned, but now I'm not really that sure about the specifics on it. I remember that sticking out to me tho, but sadly I don't have the game with me to check it again

@Andrew-fq7pu 4 года назад

@@zeroaxlkun There isn't any. There are recorders that indicate constant research failures, researchers that released infected test animals, that just gave up or decided to commit suicide, but the main one is the recorder that we now know belonged to Abby's Dad. In the first game, that recorder made it clear that Abby's dad was delusional, afflicted by a Messiah complex and about to murder Ellie as part of his fantasy of saving the human race, with zero chance of finding the cure after the murder. As a Chemist & Microbiologist, I knew what Marlene said to Joel made no scientific sense, but appreciated the attention to detail by leaving the missable recorder in the hospital to confirm the doctor's own tests refute what he told Marlene and also reveal his insanity. You can listen to them all here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HNm4lGQMiKA.html

@dylwolfplayz8204 3 года назад

I dont know if the video mentioned this, but if they killed her, they would've killed the fungus, and thus possibly releasing spores. In the games, we can see that naturally dead clickers and other infected spread spores. This also refers to real life cordyceps. If the host dies, the fungus dies. And if the host died, the fungus would spread its last spores in attempt to infect others. Therefore, if they actually proceeded, i dont think it would've given a proper result, and also risk spores being released. If the host dies, fungus dies, therefore no result.

@nesseihtgnay9419 2 года назад

I already knew that killing ellie is the worst thing to do. There are many ways to test ellie without killing her

@kingcyclops4079 4 года назад

Ellie: *plays megalomania* Joel: "Damnit Ellie what'd I tell you about playing them dead memes?!"

@Pizzanator-gp2bb 4 года назад

First of all, v* Second of all, it will never die, not even during the inevitable apocalypse

@MDHasan-rj7ct 4 года назад

Haha nice joke, cuz sans is a skeleton *wait you're not joking*

@terabertch2698 4 года назад

Mahmudul Hasan lol

@msw8616 4 года назад

clicker meme

@AshtonPyr 4 года назад

Better than a rickroll!

@collnes5289 4 года назад

This wasn't a "Game Theory" This man is just spitting straight fax

@badmic8606 4 года назад

Yea

@carlwma 4 года назад

Yea

@Zan10242 4 года назад

Yea

@HomiMike 4 года назад

Yea

@PaulSmith-od6dp 4 года назад

Yea

@johnw391 3 года назад

They never said if the abbies dad was even that type of doctor who could come up with a vaccine

@paolovez9688 2 года назад

They did

@joshuaholland5279 2 года назад

He might not even be a doctor he could have lied for protection

@Trikeboy2 2 года назад

Its on the Dictaphone Ellie finds in the hospital. Even if they got Ellie back, they couldn't do anything without Abby's dad.

@johnw391 2 года назад

@@Trikeboy2 in no part of these games does it even say her dad is a dr. On that field of medicine. Plus they have they videos one here where real doctors who are in the field watch the the clips and totally tear the clips apart

@csisophie 2 года назад

@@johnw391 Actually Abby says to Lev that she grew up around doctors (implying her mom and dad) when Lev asks how she knows what tissues are...

@alienenigma760 Год назад

I totally agree Joel was in the right. The thing Joel did wrong was leave witnesses when he got rid of the fireflies.

@Drahjan_TheoryBREAK 4 года назад

"Vaccines wiped them out." Me: But everything changed when the Anti-vaxxers attacked.

@reaper_playz1163 4 года назад

Theory BREAK! True

@xTROLLINGx 4 года назад

Lookup "vaxxed tv" on youtube.

@PyPylia 4 года назад

@Shabaka Smkss For COVID19, we don't have a vaccine, but for measles and polio we do, and those are the two up there, don't need to mention smallpox, as it's 100% eradicated with the only virus particles left, are in labs.

@MrSophire 4 года назад

You know some people are just against certain vaccines, and some wonder are we just over doing it, these are legitimate question, but no continue put absurd amount of stuff in you body and kids body without question. That’s what a loving parent does.

@dodominoe4461 4 года назад

@@MrSophire We're not "overdoing" anything and if you happen to have an allergy to the stuff in side a vaccine you rely on other people vaccinating. There is no reason to advocate for not vaccinating

@xysm5224 3 года назад

So Abby's dad was a "doctor" and didn't know the difference between virus and fungus? Wow.

@alexjohnson2162 3 года назад

more reason to hate her and her stupid revenge story

@michaelbeemer8019 3 года назад

Fantasma K They were so desperate by that time they deluded themselves that they could make it work.

@Spartate 3 года назад

Im considiring tlou 2 as an alternate universe idc for me Joel live a happy life with Ellie and became a grand father

@weebabyshakeus 3 года назад

Bromako Cartoons you sound unstable.

@gamaliel5584 3 года назад

@@weebabyshakeus no the fanbase in general also pretends tlou2 never exists.

@maxvogt3515 Год назад

The cool thing about this is that the show’s continuity has changed the reason Ellie’s infected. It’s not that they’re trying to make a vaccine, but trying to make a version of to cordyceps that send out a false signal to invading cordyceps to deactivate them, rather than trying to destroy them.

@shaunnormandy Год назад

They're really trying to make Joel wrong lol. Honestly, that does make sense, because they were clearly going for that "family versus humanity" moral quandary... But damn if I even care at this point.

@goatcastschannel 10 месяцев назад

But In the second episode it pretty much sets in stone that there is no vaccine, there is no cure, there is no hope. I think the show is genuinely trying to preach that Joel is doing what any other person would do for someone they love. He even says he’s heard of this before and how it doesn’t work, in the game too. After 20 years of survival and no sign that humanity will ever be restored feels like a poor place to insert this whole “morality test”. I really hope the show changes up the second season and doesn’t do Joel as dirty. Obviously, I think Joel will die, but I think his death will actually have more meaning come this second season. I hope,

@sminthian 2 года назад

The actual ant fungus doesn't make you attack things. They really just wander around and then kill themselves. I've thought of the Last of Us thing as a fungus/virus mutant. The fungus deforms the body, which then makes it an acceptable host for the virus, which changes their behavior.

@azaria7528 Год назад

There was this video that said that the cordyceps in humans could affect the part of your brain that makes you aggressive and hungry

@sylaconnocalys8443 Год назад

@@azaria7528 I believe that was form Roanoke Gaming, he has an entire series that breaksdown the theoretical biology of the cordyceps.

@azaria7528 Год назад

@@sylaconnocalys8443 yeah I watched them

@helpkirbyhasagun_2047 4 года назад

The Last of Us 2 pissed me off It’s totally out of character for Joel to just say his name around strangers, he is super cautious around survivors but when he saved Abby from runners and clickers that’s totally in his character but revealing his name isn’t

@akihikosanada2020 4 года назад

Dude it's been 5 years since the first game, things have changed and he's been surrounded by nothing but safety and big walls so he let his guard down. A lot can happen in 5 years

@megadudeGM101 4 года назад

@@akihikosanada2020 A lot can happen, but not this. 4 years of leisure doesn't erase 20+ years of survival. That's some nonsense.

@chrisscott6254 4 года назад

@@akihikosanada2020 fair point

@PlaceboHead360 4 года назад

ND just wanted the first ever Trnny sxx scene in a video game

@akihikosanada2020 4 года назад

@@megadudeGM101 it does when the circumstances are different 🤷‍♀️

@stephoink5885 4 года назад

Matpat: viruses are like zombies on a cellular level Cells at work: Been there, do not want to go back.

@melissagreen714 4 года назад

Love that anime lol

@DecafInvidia 4 года назад

Hataraku?

@devenarnold7063 3 года назад

I see you are also a intellectual of the “WEEB”

@minecaff8995 3 года назад

@@DecafInvidia WE ARE HATARAKU

@fortune6858 3 года назад

@@DecafInvidia saibou!!!

@eddox94 3 года назад

Yep, I can see how Joel just understood this right when he knew the fireflies’ true intentions with Ellie, and how at the same time this understanding came in a mater of seconds. This game truly is a masterpiece.

@thomasraines1396 2 года назад

What makes it even worse is the second game goes out of its way to vilify Joel while painting the fireflies as if they actually knew what they were doing.

@Steve-yn3cs Год назад

That's why I hated the second game.

@kingsubbie875 4 года назад

This just seems like a teacher trying to explain how medicine and vaccines work in a cool way.

@RGC_animation 4 года назад

He's teaching us more than our teacher does!

@cosmicwonderhoof133 4 года назад

@@RGC_animation yes

@wyx7515 4 года назад

Game and (some of) film theory in a nutshell

@user-tz6fb2xi9r 4 года назад

@Devin Lumpkin You do it. You said it.

@cosmicwonderhoof133 4 года назад

@Devin Lumpkin then some Karen's will take the bait tell the news to other Karen's and our plan for game theory to go international will be complete.

@ajduong 3 года назад

So, I should 100% hate Jerry the surgeon now. More like 110%, I already hated his guts for trying to operate on someone without their permission

@NinjaSanji 3 года назад

Matt Rutkowski making a vaccine wasn’t going to happen anyway they tried it before and fireflies are sketchy group that attacked Joel first drugged ellie. Even if a vaccine was made the leader of the fireflies isn’t abbys dad, the leader would turn the vaccine into a power struggle over other groups.

@FranP25 3 года назад

@@mattrutkowski5305 I dont think that's technically ethical, since ellie herself did not consent, but it is technically not illegal? Idk about law

@CrypticMantisTX55 3 года назад

@@mattrutkowski5305 uhhhhhhhhhh no, it wasn't ethical, even if Marlene was the guardian. If I have a 14 year old daughter, I can't take her to the hospital unconscious and be like "I AM DONATING MY DAUGHTER'S KIDNEY". The doctor isn't going be like "Hyuk, well sure, set her down and we'll cut her open." That's stupid. You'd look like a psychopath.

@pickledparsleyparty 3 года назад

I think that's the part that makes the end of LOU1 a debate topic. Ellie didn't get any say in the outcome. It was either Joel or Marlene/Jerry who decided her fate. If she had any direct input, there would be no question about the way it ended. It would either be "definitely good outcome" or "definitely bad outcome."

@sunderpanda 3 года назад

Ellie had an idea she was going to die...maybe not that it wouldn't work but she was willing to sacrifice herself. It is why she was so mad at Joel in the second and said her life would of meant something. If she agreed with Joel's decision she wouldn't of been as mad as she was

@MarkGeuel 3 года назад

if anything, Joel’s choice didn’t mean nothing, but it meant EVERYTHING This theory (or fact) just made the game even better for making even more sense about Joel’s decision -although he probably didn’t know about viruses/fungi (or maybe he does?) -still it’s a relief to actually come to realize the rescue was not in vain

@galehunter2519 Год назад

They actually admitted this in the last of us show. In the second episode beginning, the Jakarta officer asks the mycologist if there is a vaccine for Cordyceps, and the mycologist said there are none, and proposes to bomb the city if they really wanted to stop infection.

@somethingofascientist58 Год назад

yeah they spent the openings of episodes 1 and 2 proving why Joel was right and i love it

@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 Год назад

She also says that there's no cure or medicine for it which there is. All the scientists in the show seem to forget that antifungals work.

@zero-gravity5927 4 года назад

“What are you doing, kid? “ *”HAVING A BAD TIME*

@superpug992 4 года назад

Y E S

@scotthanson4152 4 года назад

Finally someone finally noticed that

@aisha5156 4 года назад

We’re really doing this?

@taeminislove 3 года назад

2020: Has so many doctors taking months and months trying to create a vaccine for covid Fireflies: yeah one test subject is enough to reverse engineer a vaccine for the apocalypse

@fzprof1756 3 года назад

Lol u r right.

@adrianraulskrobek5868 3 года назад

@@fzprof1756 yet thay forgot about anti fungi meditaction when the virus is a fungi

@taeminislove 3 года назад

@@commanderleo It's a story-driven game, it does have to make sense. Plus, all the events leading up to the last scene showed how the fireflies aren't as reliable as they present themselves to be.

@justjoking5252 3 года назад

I mean, there's no way that no fungi exists in The Last of Us except a single zombie fungus. It is very clearly modeled off of the world at the time.

@taeminislove 3 года назад

@@justjoking5252 Well at that time and even to this day, fungi vaccines are yet to be a thing. I honestly don't think it's something that can be done overnight with one sample.

@dessieangel1021 Год назад

Came back here from the 2nd episode of the show. And they really really did show us that a vaccine is impossible. So, Joel made the right call, and Marlene was sending Ellie to her death

@bnjmo 3 года назад

Imagine if Ellie had watched this video at some point, her relationship with Joel would have been completely different :(

@apparition333skaters3 3 года назад

Bro what

@viktorveselinov2900 Год назад

@@apparition333skaters3 LMAO

@Steve-yn3cs Год назад

TLOU 1 Ellie knew why Joel did what he did, and still accepted him ANYWAY. TLOU2 Ellie was written to be a douchebag, so she sorta forgot everything they shared and who Joel was, and why he did what he did.

@poutsamouni5483 Год назад

@@Steve-yn3cs tell me you lack common sense without telling me

@haileyadkins8412 Год назад

@@Steve-yn3cs she didn’t even know what Joel did until the second game lol

@RandomAutist 4 года назад

"What are you doing, kiddo?...." "EDEDEDEDED" "DO YOU WANNA HAVE A BAD TIME?"

@sansthememe5316 4 года назад

[hehehehe*]

@Typhoon1515 4 года назад

Sans the meme SAAAAAAAAAANNNNNZZZZ

@piruyanedo8951 3 года назад

Doo you wanna have a bad tom?!

@duck4817 4 года назад

Remember this newbies, it is important thing to know: toad is a literal fungus thats destroying the mushroom kingdom, and bowser is the good guy. Your welcome for bringing back that bootiful episode.

@ramekin5635 4 года назад

😕🙁😟😡

@ramekin5635 4 года назад

WHY?! Bring back a horrific story

@TheAkumuKing 4 года назад

(._.) why must you mention this

@joelsasmad 4 года назад

Remember folks: All the bricks you smash were people magically transformed. Mario is a monster.

@silletogaming9237 4 года назад

I was literally just thinking about that one

@AugmentalGameplay 3 года назад

Thank you for finally putting into words why i thought killing the ONLY known fungi immune human to this virus was a terrible idea.

@Peter-ur3yy Год назад

It is entirely possible that the fungal vaccine could be a bit of videogame science fiction. Same goes for the video about Ellie not actually being immune to the main Coryceps infection. Both very well thought out videos but I suspect Naughty Dog might have expected us to suspend disbelief a tad.

@HibiTeamQueso Год назад

We shall not suspend disbelief after the events of part 2. Abby is as much of a moron as his dead father

@MmoonMmoose 3 года назад

joel: (wakes up) marlene: sorry, they didnt know who you were joel: wheres ellie? marlene: they just did some tests on her and took some of her antibodies, we have a vaccine now ellie: (walks in) ayo whats up joel (credits roll) edit: thanks for all the likes guys, i appreciate it 👍

@E__Saurabh 3 года назад

"everyone gets a happy ending" 10/10 - IGN

@thecoolcarhd4402 3 года назад

if they did that there would be no abby

@E__Saurabh 3 года назад

@@thecoolcarhd4402 she would still be with her dad

@Natan_Korkot 3 года назад

@@E__Saurabh the only mistake joel did is killing the doctor he couldve just push him or knock him out but not killing him

@E__Saurabh 3 года назад

@@Natan_Korkot true. You can't save someone by killing the good people.

@TheDaringPastry1313 4 года назад

Doctors: Hey, we finally made a vaccine to that fungal virus! Clicker: **rips people to shreds** Everyone else: I didn't think about that

@ahmadrafa9523 4 года назад

Imagine trying to vaccinate a bloater, that needle wont even work against its armor

@Asher8328 3 года назад

As much as I loved the ending of the first game, I knew what the doctors were doing was incredibly stupid, not to mention unethical.

@dragonstouch1042 Год назад

Ethics kinda go out the window during the apocalypse. Stupidity still stands though

@purplebanana6420 Год назад

Pretty sure the doctor wasn't a doctor for humans

@loganentertainment1814 Год назад

Yeah, and he was an irrational idiot, just like his daughter Abby. Like Father like Daughter.

@properduction2586 Год назад

I mean he was working for literal terrorists …so you are not wrong..

@DramaLlamaTheatrics 4 года назад

Ah yes cordyceps… haven’t heard about those since matpat talked about toads being a parasitic plague on the mushroom kingdom.

@WorstSpieler 3 года назад

DramaLlama 3434 yeah, exactly! I was thinking of another video when he was talking about cordyceps!

@Bongtaker 3 года назад

One of my favourite theories on this channel for sure

@sykessaul123 3 года назад

Joels choice did mean something though. Saving Ellie from idiots who don't know what they're doing is still saving Ellie, it's just not sacrificing anything to do it.

@liker-qd4fz 3 года назад

I mean, there is a USA goverment remnant state that HAS resources and possibly contact with other goverments / goverment remnants.

@ericpantoja3264 3 года назад

liker 3000 maybe, but do you think that the fireflies are going to corporate with them after everything that they’ve done to each other. I’ve sympathized with Marlene after seeing her disapproval for killing Ellie in part 2 but I know that she would rather die than corporate with the FEDRA in any way, even if it was for Ellie and if by any miracle she does, there is no way the rest of the fireflies would fall in line with her as it would just contradict a huge part of the cause they were fighting for.

@CombatSportsNerd 3 года назад

@@ericpantoja3264 to make matters worse the government was already corrupt. How much you want to bet that they would basically use the Cure as leverage in order to get things out of other survivors? Which would inevitably start yet another large-scale War that ends with more human beings dying. No matter how you slice it the situation just gets worse and worse

@lukedelcube7175 3 года назад

It was selfish and he doomed humanity. The only reason people like him (including me) is because we played a while game with him and Ellie surviving together yet (spoiler) his death in part 2 made a lot of sense and if we didn’t know Joel’s story you kinda would want to see him die but I was a little disappointed you couldn’t avenge his death against Abby because she deserved to die as much as Joel judging by the reason she killed Joel.

@liker-qd4fz 3 года назад

@@lukedelcube7175 I mean, there were 3 choices , really : -Give her to a band of idiots who dont know what they are doing - keep her -give her to... The Goverment. I mean , it has the resources , the manpower , and is NOT A BUNCH OF MANIACS HIDING IN A HOSPITAL!

@herrdrumpf3261 3 года назад

I feel like the last of us 3 will be about dina actually telling others ellie is immune. And people will go after ellie. And jackson will be forced to relocate due to an outbreak. Tommy will die.

@candiica7083 3 года назад

thats so boring. it should go like this. ellie meets someone that knows basically what this video was about and how the fireflies are wrong. she then trues to make a vaccine or someone tries to and learns joel was right the entire time

@Arwindor 3 года назад

@@candiica7083 that sounds like a game i would enjoy

@xXMemelord 3 года назад

thats somehow a better story then the second, impressive.

@wellno7179 3 года назад

I think if there’s a part 3 it should be a prequel about Tommy and Joel in those twenty years after the outbreak, and Hunter Joel and Tommy leaving to join the fireflies, and also see some more of Marlene, maybe there could be some kind of Easter egg with Ellie’s mother or something, and we can see how Joel met tess and became a smuggler.

@1beatcher 2 года назад

@@wellno7179 this game should be called TLOU 0. Or TLOU Origins.

@xufflex 3 года назад

this makes all the tears from the last of us 2 way more meaningful

@buddyburrows 4 года назад

Imagine if they said "cure" instead of "vaccine." That would've thrown this whole theory through a loop.

@justbny9278 4 года назад

How do you cure a different being destroying your brain and deforming your body?

@Hailstormful 4 года назад

@@justbny9278 Probably just like rabies... You either get the treatment on time, right after getting bitten, or the infection sets in too fast and you die?

@watyhu99 4 года назад

@@justbny9278 You can't cure it, but you can take preventative measures. If they had managed to get a sample of the less violent strain in Ellie and somehow grow it, they could take samples and infect more people who haven't already been infected with the mutated strain and make it so that the violent strain can't take over their bodies, much like Ellie. That said, we still have no idea if it actually would be a very effective option though,for all we know, the mutated version could reduce lifespans to only 10 years, or could actually tranform you into an even deadlier version of the Cordyceps infected. The thing is still an infection feeding off Ellie to live after all and must be slowly consuming her body and may not show signs just yet.

@NamelessUser52 4 года назад

how about a serum

@kneo12 4 года назад

Probably anyone who's infection hasn't caused any really bad physical damage like in the clickers where the fungus has burst through the skull should be able to be cured

@cheesemanofficial9986 4 года назад

"But hey! thats just a theory! a game theory!" The information: Am i a joke to you?

@RubyCheetahCub 4 года назад

A theory is tested and proven and explains how things work. Has evidence. A hypothesis is an untested idea. Does not have evidence.

@TheNarwhalGal 4 года назад

A theory is not tested or proven, it is an educated guess put forward to explain phenomena that we see around us if a theory is proven, it's not a theory, its a fact. String theory is a theory in quantum mechanics to explain phenomena that we cannot explain otherwise, that doesn't mean its true, but its the best guess we can make given the evidence, that's why theory is the best word for this channel, ideas and educated guesses aren't proven, but are supported by in-game evidence.

@nicolrb2210 4 года назад

Maybe in the the last of us universe it could work, it depends on what the creator says

@vonspeedwagon1466 4 года назад

I think mat is just saying that because he doesn’t want in trouble with game devs if his theories aren’t true

@pandadogunited1504 4 года назад

Von Speedwagon it’s more of a catchy slogan than anything true, if creators cared about factual accuracy fanfiction wouldn’t exist

@nathanmarte2379 Год назад

And knowing this video is 2 years old and the LOU series took that science into the first minutes of the show. Mind blowing

@kittiekitie2895 3 года назад

6:00 Hello Gordon!

@oknejr7667 3 года назад

I drink soda for lunch

@keishii2648 4 года назад

If I remember right there was a note in the Firefly hospital that stated that Ellie was not the first immunity they found and that operating on (killing) those people did nothing.

@ElGaymer2001 4 года назад

That made me feel better about the ending

@publicenemy0077 4 года назад

I needed this thx man

@kenamocomptondos7699 4 года назад

They experimented on infected however Ellie's case was an anomaly that they needed to reproduce. Hence the surgery. She's the only one to show immunity which was actually some mutation of the fungus into a less lethal infection in her brain.

@luckygnome2746 4 года назад

According to this: thelastofus.fandom.com/wiki/Surgeon%27s_Recorder you do not remember correctly. Fireflies had only experimented on infected before, Ellie’s immunity and mutation is the first they had seen.

@32BitJunkie 4 года назад

@@luckygnome2746 "We must find a way to replicate this state under laboratory conditions. We're about to hit a milestone in human history equal to the discovery of penicillin. After years of wandering in circles, we're about to come home, make a difference, and bring the human race back into control of its own destiny. All of our sacrifices and the hundreds of men and women who've bled for this cause, or worse, will not be in vain. " Ahh but then some dude killed everyone at the hospital and doomed humanity. Whups!

@patrickdoss25 3 года назад

I also feel Marlene was using Ellie as a scapegoat because if you read and listen to all to her journals and voice memos in the hospital, you can see that she was about to face mutiny from her followers. They were starting to question her leadership and she felt she needed to do something. I feel this was partly her wanting to save her own life. Her fellow Fireflys might have killed her if they learned that all they had been through had been for nothing. If the procedure went without a hitch and Ellie died but the vaccine treatment was a failure anyways, Marlene would have gotten off scott-free from responsibility.

@kimpye4261 Год назад

dog dog

@ahhhhhh124 3 года назад

W- that explaination of vaccines was so good. I live in a country where alot of people are Anti-vacc beacause of the small fevers they can cause. This explaination lays it out so well.

@HoodieHorizon Год назад

I like to think the creators saw this theory and decided to swap out "vaccine" to "cure" in response

@obezy8705 4 года назад

I've literally been saying that Joel made the smartest choice

@brother2865 4 года назад

I doubt killing everybody to save one girl versus killing one girl to save everybody is the smartest choice...

@FoosterThePeople 4 года назад

I mean science aside, anyone who wouldn't do the same in his situation (or at least try) probably shouldn't be a parent

@WolfTalkings 4 года назад

He was definitely justified and gained a new adopted daughter out of it lol

@tvhead7074 4 года назад

Afoo and is also a sociopath...

@Kiseochan 4 года назад

@@brother2865 didn't they just explain how killing her wouldn't save anyone?

@arisstuffff 3 года назад

you know what, ya did it. this one makes the most sense.

@TheWockComp 3 года назад

Don’t say ya instead of you

@cyr2097 3 года назад

@@TheWockComp Ya don't make the grammar rules.

@hierophantclean4070 3 года назад

Ewan Ewan Dont tell them what to do

@ashebennett7726 3 года назад

Ewan Ewan ya don’t tell people how to talk. It’s their thing, you have your way.

@treaclemaki8194 3 года назад

Ewan Ewan sHuT yOuRe nOt mY dAd

@louieisrael6597 Год назад

I love how you use logic and science for these it makes me fell better about the game I finished both a couple of days ago and it made me Sad but now I’m a little better thanks

@herrscherofhomosexuals Год назад

Re-watching this as the first episode of the TV show adaptation premiered.

@thedarkstarr11 Год назад

Interesting that the scientist at the beginning states that there is NO WAY to create a vaccine or cure for the fungal infection. Apparently, this lines up with research by Dr Neil A R Gow, (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_A._R._Gow ) who is an expert on the subject. So, yeah, this does support Joel making the correct choice...just...not exactly on purpose. Sorta.

@SoggyWetCheese 3 года назад

This isn’t even a theory, this is just a game fact.

@mafraldinha25 3 года назад

wELCOME TO *GAME FACTS*

@rezlov_ 3 года назад

not even a game fact, just a fact

@edwardrhodes7158 3 года назад

but thats just a fact, a game fact

@mrgolden449 3 года назад

MineAdventure Sorry “kid” they’re right, what he explained in the video if you even watched it was mostly based on actual science, considering that the The Last Of Us takes place in a post-apocalyptic world, science would have most likely become undeveloped, incomparable to today’s standards.

@elijahafton3002 3 года назад

MineAdventure as a certified neurosurgeon everything MatPat said in this video is right, no matter what angle you try and tackle it, MatPat is right.

@coopersutherland8550 4 года назад

Matpat: Explains vaccines and how they help. Everybody: Well boys, we did it. Anti-vaxers are no more.

@jodii.6 4 года назад

*epic gamer moment*

@richiejobro5639 4 года назад

Karen: Not if I have anything to say about it, AND I DO!!! Me: Little Timmy! GET DOWN!!!

@TheBeastCH 4 года назад

Thing about Vacs and anti.vaxers is not that they think they don't work. Thing is that many vacs include MCR-5 and aluminum particles, which does not contribute to how the vac works but gives the vac a longer shelf life. MCR-5 affects our DNA and has a chance to cause cancer and the aluminum particles attack the nervous system and cannot be removed from the body. Aluminum particles in the nervous system has been linked to deseases such as parkinsons, epilepsy, and is suspected to be a possible cause of SCD.

@SoggyCoffeeAddict 4 года назад

So you really trust that someone dumb enough to think not vaccinating their child would be smart enough. To actually listen to why it's a good idea to do so?

@hotelvalsinestra6380 4 года назад

although there ae like 1 milleon bideos of that

@jombajews Год назад

wouldn't the best option for humanity be for Ellie to have as many kids as possible to try to create more who are immune so that humans can evolve to be protected?

@MindRamble Год назад

It would be even better if she wasn't the only immune person we know of but this method would take extremely long and child mortality is probably way higher in this world because of the lack of resources

@PinkApocalypse 3 года назад

THE HALF LIFE VR AI REFERENCE AT 5:58 HAHAHA TOMMYYYY

@glowhoo9226 4 года назад

Yeah when Marlene said it was only a vaccine I was like “that doesn’t make you immune, it just means that you might be infected, or you might fight it off. It isn’t a cure”.

@TeleportRush 4 года назад

It's really unlikely to lose to an infection you have been vaccinated against if you have a healthy immune system, unless the infection already comes in droves, like if you were in a room full of spores for example.

@Sesshomaru474 4 года назад

@@TeleportRush You are underestimating viruses.

@9051team 3 года назад

@@Sesshomaru474 its better than not having the vaccine

@pixiniarts 3 года назад

Sure Ellie is immune to the spores... She isn't immune to being torn apart by the infected. That's why a vaccine or cure is almost laughable, sure you can create a pocket of immune people, but against hordes of rabid humans the rabid humans will win out. Walled settlements would work better than anything else, in the end time would lower the numbers of infected, its another really dumb thing in TLOU2 the infected don't have a lifespan, they don't have any standard biological limiting factors like a need for food or light. A human body requires a lot of energy to keep it up and moving, even if the infection was able to make the body dormant the muscles would atrophy over time, and bones would become weak. What are the infected eating to keep them going in isolated areas and sealed structures? While we are at it, its a fungus, fungal spores would last months not years and definitely not decades.

@Markogv89 3 года назад

@@pixiniarts I'm pretty sure there's a point where it's explained that even the infected have a determined "active period" after which they'll go into some sort of standby/dormant mode by fusing with a wall in order to produce more spores.

@Verkozius 3 года назад

"If the lord gave me a second chance at that moment, I'd do it all over again."

@MrBej 2 года назад

*sobs* damn you

@violet5490 2 года назад

stop, i can't cry right now AGAIN

@fedra5873 Год назад

Rip

@annab4r Год назад

he really would

@thatjeff7550 2 года назад

Late to the party but yeah, when I heard what the Firefly's 'brilliant plan' was, I had to think to myself, "Good grief, are these doctors the same ones from 12 Monkeys?"

@williammoore6934 Год назад

Can you do one on the show sir?

@BrianGriffinW Год назад

He did it on film theory

@straydogbite 4 года назад

Imagine Joel, who nearly single-handedly eradicated the Firefiles, letting himself get cooped up in a house, surrounded by armed strangers, and giving his name and location freely to said strangers, only to then ask if anyone was familiar with who he was. This is sacrilege.

@TheDXJC56 4 года назад

LMFAO it's the last part that makes it so funny, "What? Y'all acting like you heard of us" as he does nothing to grab his weapon or prepare for the worst 🤦🤷 guess Joel was like fuggit I had a good run

@hwikilmon4677 4 года назад

Bruh

@lt1s142 4 года назад

His brother gave up all the info. Joel only said his name.

@mateogrill2191 4 года назад

@@TheDXJC56 "lmao my playthrough ends here lol" _Joel

@SAM_PIKET 4 года назад

they didnt even say their last names, if he just said his name was joel smith he wouldnt die it just makes no sense smh druckmann

@rgvargas1247 3 года назад

What i learned: -a type of organism -doomguy is a vaccine -last of us is last of 2020

@KnightoftheSorryFace 3 года назад

Cacopog

@brandongreenland9632 3 года назад

Doomguy is humanity’s demon vaccine

@clavet9727 Год назад

solution create a fast acting cancer for cordyceps by using a small radioactive particle

@zoarsnowpaw3549 3 года назад

the same thing happens in Halo, where Sargent Johnson is immune to the flood and the master chief is given the option to tell the UNSC and ONI but chooses not to because after talking to cortana about it come up with how likely a cure or vaccine would be made and comes to the conclusion that he would be more useful as a soldier then being killed, and also the idea of being conscious during a "zombie" infection also happens in halo in the book the Fall of Reach

@tacticalwolf3263 4 года назад

"Vaccines work really well in stopping diseases" Karens: Impossible

@onivlasbrony7432 4 года назад

_Perhaps the Facebook archives are incomplrete._

@moontokkym_art 4 года назад

I can just hear them "Timmy? Timmy why are you watching such lies?"

@pikanu014 4 года назад

I was looking for this comment lmao

@sakurora7930 3 года назад

Made the likes 160

@demetriusprime1505 3 года назад

The heck is Karens???

@airbendingninja23 4 года назад

It's deep when even Pat pat says Joel didn't have to die.

@thedoveabove9878 4 года назад

Haven’t watched the video yet, but I think he’s talking about Ellie:

@frostycoffe2379 4 года назад

And Ellie didn’t have to lose her fingers

@zen3055 4 года назад

**pat pat**

@marcbouchermusic 4 года назад

Yeah he’s definitely talking about Ellie potentially dying for the cure.

@airbendingninja23 4 года назад

@@marcbouchermusic *SPOILERS* even so the only reason Joel Died was because they told him that she was going to die. So if they hadn't told him that then the Abby wouldn't have gone and killed him

@paulyiustravelogue 3 года назад

Love the effective and graphics you put together, very entertaining video.

@lbsans9575 Год назад

I’m clapping from that intro

@callmejoel2527 4 года назад

It finally makes sense why I thought this entire time that Joel's choice made the most sense since killing Ellie would destroy any hope of making a vaccine for more than one person.

@MAORIguy25 4 года назад

Joel didn’t use sense to make that choice. It was all irrational emotion. But he accepted that’s the choice he made anyway and wouldn’t change it

@pavliksin123 4 года назад

Well the way they described it they just want the fungus inside her brain (that stops the dangerous form from infecting you by infecting you itself instead) to grow it and infect other people with it. The antibodies her body produces seem to have no effect as it is still in there.

@winticawinnie7709 4 года назад

Well, we can all agree that joel is smarter than the doctors (who are "suppose" to know what they are doing because of their profession ) But they had failed joel and Ellie.

@Bronzescorpion 4 года назад

@@MAORIguy25 We don't know if it was all irrational emotion. He could simply not believe in them succeeding or think the price were to high to pay for the likelihood of the outcome. It actually boils down to philosophical views whether her life were worth the attempt. Of course emotion did play a big part in it, because we have seen Joel's values of others life, compared to those close to him. But to say it was irrational may be a bit of a stretch. Joel seemed determined during the last part, he was aware of what there was going on and decided to act on it. That doesn't sound like being irrational, he was not controlled by his emotions, even though they played a part in his decision.

@Cj-iu5px 4 года назад

Troy Moses,Well he made the right choice since it woudlent even work and plus if the vaccine did work,people already should know how to survive.

@kiddzy2308 3 года назад

"The fireflies wants to capture Ellie the ONLY human that seems to be immune" Joel: Dozens more actually.

@Luxenya 3 года назад

Joel was lying...

@urmomscute 3 года назад

Paola V no lol in hospital section there’s a collectible note that says they had dozen more people. Don’t know why the 2nd game ignores it though

@clintshidwood4511 3 года назад

@@urmomscute no there aren't any other immune people as far as we know, the note refers to tests done on regular infected people. Saw a post on reddit saying the exact same thing and someone linked the note in question that clearly says that the docs have "never seen something like this before".

@Luxenya 3 года назад

@@urmomscute the other subjects were infected people. They state that Ellie was the only inmune person they had found and how thay may change everything. Nothing means it would actually lead to a cure but there was a chance.

@CosmicAnimalClan 3 года назад

Sexy boy Purp You’re actually clueless. By that standard the first game ignores that. Since y’know, in the first game Ellie is upset that Joel is lying to her. It even ends with her being lied to. Did you like play it or..?

@crasherseay8834 Год назад

ellie didnt even give her consent

@carnek Год назад

Before the tv series came out I rewatched The Last of Us part 1, and maybe due to the exposition to some of the theories behind the corona, pandemic etc. we experienced (as a society) I came to the same conclusion as this video. Great job as always!