Gamers react to the Plot Twist Part 4: Newscasts and Lost Memories | Persona 5 

Yep

Master plan foiled by a frying pan

Well to be perfectly honest, Akechi might be smart, but Joker is a trickster.

I thought they explain in game that the only thing Akechi is really known for are all the mental shutdown cases, which were staged for him to solve?

@@darkutopia2711 actually yeah, you're right. Forgot about that lol

Except the ones who put the pieces that need to be their at the time needed

The scene where the plot twist isn't "Akechi was the traitor" because honestly, everyone saw that coming a mile away. Instead, the game made us THINK that was the plot twist, and then hit us with this perfect moment. I was so hyped when I saw that!

@@maaxorus It's even better if you know Akechi its the traitor because they just make you feel like "okay, I wasn't playing the game, THE GAME WAS PLAYING ME"

Not really. I knew that they wouldn't kill off the MAIN CHARACTER in a game. (Maybe if you fucked up.)

Technically the heroes didn’t mislead us. Throughout the game they were having conversations about Akechi. It’s really the game that mislead us because it intentionally cuts those scenes out for the sake of a plot twist.

it was really the faked death and the entire plan

He was on the cover, but not in the opening animation nor the collector's edition box. I figured it out the moment I saw the dang opening part of the game

When I played I thought the twist was Akechi wasn't a traitor because it was so obvious I thought it was Makoto trying to save Sae or something

Everyone knew who the traitor was, so did we. Except that we didn't know if everyone else knew as well

See I thought it was sloppy writing and the whole way through I thought "this guy's clearly a traitor." But when this scene played out I realised the bait and switch. It's genius that the twist isn't that Akechi betrayed you, *it's that you were one step ahead the entire time.*

Ryuji's smirk made me think I messed up lol

FinalfantasyPeaseants watchers were fucking with him all tje time posting bad ending when anything that seemed like one happened.

@Midoras Diabano Same! But I was so goddamn confused at this point xD

Ryuji's smile made me think for a second he was the traitor haha

Theres another time where i thought i got a bad ending..when the shibuya fused with the mementos 😂

But why were you killed?

because we needed that Perosna 3 reference

people die if they are killed

It *seems.*

‘Igor’

When ryuji smirked my heart sunk because I thought he betrayed me lmao

Finn Campbell bro same. I thought everyone was against me lol

@@finncampbell6524 me too lmao. To the point that I almost hated the game 🤣

Ryuji knew Ann longer than Akira but he is the homie

@@SubToTGL Yeah but he said the one closest to joker not to eachother. And even than didnt Ryuji say they didn’t talk much.

sadly, he did'nt laugh at God when he shot him, prob because he did'nt find God's prank to be all that good

he's a bloody trickster, that's why!

Idk he had that smirk shooting god ya boi through the heart

Unless you have a 3 of spades.

Then he goes “oh god oh f**k get that away from me!”

Midoras Diabano that would of been the biggest plot twist! but yeah, if they make one, i would be interested in reading. I would say he is with Akechi because Ryuji felt like he needed to be the leader of the phantom thieves and was tired and being looked as a complete moron by the other members (especially Mona) and maybe Akechi made him alittle psychotic by putting desires and manipulation in his head idk

@Midoras Diabano I want a fan made scenario, or official interpretation on if Joker DID actually die, and how, if at all, they would be able to turn it around.

I also thought that was what happened at first.

@@Mercydarklightfate Honestly if ryuji was helping the true culprit and you had to play as another party members after the mc dies it would of been one of the best plot twists in rpg's of all time because no one would of seen in coming

@@arkanol right!? I do wonder where the story would of gone from there tho!

*PRESENTATION!*

Oh my god I love that, Joker is so cocky and sassy he would probably say that

Yeah, I can't wait to see what happens with Whatever in P5.

I flipped out when I saw it for the first time. I was crushed when I thought Joker had actually died, and then utterly confused throughout the memory stuff... and then I had a positively wicked, huge smile on my face.

Ryuji is also up there. That's really the moment you go from "oh shit did I get the bad ending?" to HOLY SHIT THIS IS A MASTERPIECE

Chair-kun

I think in the anime they make it more badass and make it so when akechi walks away from interrogation room when the episode ends you see joker say "yeah right" for like a second and then the episode ends.

Love's so hard to find.

That's literally what I was thinking when I first saw this scene, lol.

4:08

Everyone liking this comment are obviously men of culture.

She seemed like such a sweet lady. Kinda wish we got to see her in a level of Ryuji's confidant. It's nothing too big, though.

That's his mom tho, I think

@@ferox850 Nah, the lady's dialogue implies she hasn't seen him in a while. Ryuji, on the other hand, still sees his Mom rather frequently. Also, his Mom would definitely know whether or not he's still doing track.

@@Ghostguy693 true. Kinda just went over my head my first time lmao

@@ferox850 It's okay, lol.

For a moment after Ryujis smile I was thinking, "wait, Ryuji is evil too?" Then the explanation comes

Me to

but imagen though

@@Beny763 Same

I mean the song literally is like "you think you got your game found out, but I'm always 2 steps ahead"

I think that's in the lyrics of Last Surprise

I love him, he's earned my sub!

I was jumping out of my chair and yelling real story lol

Scuppy 225 who didnt? lmao well played atlus

I was like "WE DID IT BOOOOIIIIIIISSS!!!!!!"

When ryuji said we got em It clicked inside of me. I understood everything and went up and screamed.

@@LoneWolf982 yeah but still it makes it shocking.

Personally, I think that Makoto was unsure it succeeded at first

Joshua Cable if thats the case, then thats some pretty damn good acting :o

@@LoneWolf982 Actually, they were all unsure of Joker surviving or not. After all, in the end, it was all about Joker convincing Sae to involuntary help them. Tho, they still needed to play normal civilians.

All of them are unsure if joker succeeded or not. Ryuji just 100% sure joker will succeed

I'm still a little disappointed that he's not a Mementos boss in Haru's confidant.

He's an absolute shitter

They should’ve changed has heart instead of Okumura’s

I mean he literally tried to rape Haru of course people hate him

​@@fatalbert2055Okumura deserve a change of heart too, since he literally sold his only daughter to a red flag man and overwork his men inside the company.

Joker Skull Panther *Inari*

@@SirKattyCruz 69th like. I mean, Inari Sushi is pretty good.

@@genderenigma8276 69. What a perfect number.

sirkattycruz While Akechi, seeing Joker as a rival and equal, has his contact as Attic Trash. (P5 Animation scene) Because Joker lives in an attic.

@@mystery8820 wait really? what cutscene is that in?

INEEDJOURHALP!!!

With a grappling hook no less!

@@notlNSIGHT That's what meant

Any long time fans would have caught something was wrong right from the beginning, he didn't give you the key after all..

@@slavetothecaffeine honestly the voice caught me off guard.

Raptor Maverick You knows it’s a real victory because of the capital V on Akira’s

Mpng Vlogs you mean 17:44

All of Persona 3 (am I a joke to you?)

Courier Six: *Laughing his ass off*

Are you sure? 😉

They already realized that. They just needed confirmation. Still. Hearing a close friend committing suicide is still surprising

​@solsun7350 Especially when there's a good chance it didnt work. This whole thing was a huge, yet necessary gamble

that "bitch you thought" smile

Every time I replay that scene I think the same thing! What is being said!? Lol

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@@WraxTV futaba on her mf philosophy boards

Yessss! I would like to know the name of this device too!

Chekhov's Pancakes?

​@@disissidd how about a reverse plot twist?

Perhaps.

The ultimate plot twist. Everyone in unison would all say "For Real!?"

No

yeah

That would've been awesome.

well he technically didn't betray you since he wasn't on your side to begin with

@@aaron75fy But he did pretend to be

@@SeiyaTempest ah no he didn't, he called a temporary truce for that one job

But it wasn't a shadow, it was the Sae's cognition of the guard. I would need to go back when Ann kills Kamoshida's cognition of her to hear if the sound's effect is consistent.

Just like the other dude said. Only Shido can merge cognitions and shadows

4 fight straight and me handling akechi's death so suddenly

Dead noises

“That’s the sound of me being dead. Ahg!!!”

Each of the distorted hearts that bring about a palace aren't simply the writers coming up with generic evil people (though it might seem like it). Each of those parts of the story are social commentary on the current state of Japan. Kamoshida's story was based on a basketball coach that abused his athletes until one committed suicide, and that case led to an investigation that found hundreds of Japanese schools with teachers physically abusing their students. Similarly, Sae seeing court as a casino where she's the house is a representation on how unfairly biased the Japanese judicial system is in favor of prosecutors. The palaces that dealt with gangs, politics, plagiarism, mental abuse, and the lazy masses are problems a bit more universal in any first and second world nation. In the case of Okumura, his palace is addressing that the Japanese working environment has gotten so bad that they have an epidemic of people in their 30s dropping dead from being overworked. It's gotten so bad that even The Oxford Dictionary now contains the Japanese word "Karoshi" to describe people dying from work stress. Now, could there be a palace for the fiancé to have some commentary on forced marriages? Possibly, but it seems like a dying trend (unless it's still way worse in Japan and I just don't know). But in a game that was rewritten from its initial concept to not just be more analytical psychology like the other Persona games and actually have social commentary drive the plot, there's no way you should leave out Okumura's palace.

@Harsh Mehtus the other problem is Kamoshida already fills the Lust theme

changing her fiance's heart wouldn't have fixed Haru's situation. Her father would just simply ship her off to some other shitty person

@@Saltyoven Consider this then : assuming Okumura's heart has been successfully changed (meaning his Shadow properly left his Palace), then not only he'll publicly atone for his crimes and apologize, but he'll also reveal to his daughter that the "political marriage contract" between her and Sugimura (Haru's fiancee) was actually fake since there wasn't a contract to begin with. All he wanted was power and money just to make his presence known in the political world no matter who he would sacrifice, including forcing his own daughter to marry with a good-for-nothing man. HOWEVER, only Okumura's heart has been changed but NOT Sugimura's, which means Haru is not completely off the hook. So in my opinion, we can't deny the possibility that he has a Palace or, at the very least, a Shadow in Mementos. Even though the contract was fake, which he surely knows, he's probably still obsessed with forcefully marrying with Haru. After all, since he's rich and "powerful" thanks to his father, he'd do anything to make it happen. And if he does have a distorted heart, then changing it will surely make him cancel the marriage. Now of course, that's ASSUMING the heart of Haru's father has been changed properly, which it didn't happen in the game. Thankfully, Haru's marriage has been called off anyway.

To be honest, I would've grown up the same - if it wasn't for my determination to show that people from the city aren't all criminals

Otagirl I didn’t realize how much he looked like Rufus Shinra until now.....

Same...

haru hurt my heart

Yeah, I was sat there like "Okumura's dead, why are you still making her have a relationship with Sugimura?!"

@@fierytigergaming8112 Okumura died before he could cancel it

If he decides to upload

@Lizardic There's more of the game after this.

Lizardic Altus said they don’t care about that rule anymore. Plus everyone else is doing it so I don’t see why they’d go after him if he did

He did, he made a comparison between Akechi and Adachi

Its the every single chat in Persona 5 playthrough. Its actually pretty infuriating. Ppl think that its smart way to hint a spoiler without spoiling anything, but the more you spam it the more the player starts to question things. Which then leads to the spoiler.

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