The basic rules for the OG LOTR game were really good. With only a handful of tweaks, could have worked for just about any skirmish wargame. Historical, Fantasy or even sci-fi.
One day I went to a lesser known FLGS outside of town. Upon arriving, I witnessed a massive MESBG Battle underway complete with a giant Helm's Deep model spanning the entirety of two tables with hundreds of miniatures on the board. From that point on, I was hooked.
Yeah, I wish that GW would work on gradually overhauling the line. It really doesn't need as many kits. They just need to consolodate it. In 2024, they could release 2 new kits - Numenorean Warriors boxset and Noldor Elves boxset. In those boxes, they could include Numenorean commanders and Noldor commander options (basically a benner and unique arm pose). In doing so, they could remove Warriors of the Last Alliance boxset, Numenorean Spearmen, Numenorean Bowmen, High Elf Spearmen, Elf Command all while also then creating options for Numenorean models that didn't exist. 2 new boxsets to remove 5 old boxes.
Hot take - MesBG is as good as it is because GW have left it alone. GW currently can't be trusted to write rules - so right now I'm happy not much is coming out for the game. I hope they continue to barely produce anything for the game apart from models - the rules are perfect - LEAVE THEM ALONE. I love not having the constant power creep and updates and Erratas and FAQ's and "balancing" updates every 5 fucking minutes :D
Agreed. It's why I will never understand the weird obsession people have with bringing the Specialist Games back. Like sure it sucks they stopped selling the models for them but those rules have nowhere to go but down.
If they released a rules reset it would probably be just a reskin of 40k. And giving attention to the game means new overpriced models in fomo boxes, bad rules that will become irrelevant in a couple of months, so yeah, ironically the game it's thriving by being neglected.
@@TheGoGoat91 yes by keeping mesbg niche but not niche to the point of not making money from it GW will leave it alone while focusing on 40K and releasing their 50th primaris lieutenant and new updated rules every 4-6 months.
@@PointyPaints that's because it doesn't fundamentally change the game. I played LotR with the RotK rulebook and WH40K with the V3/V4 rulebook. Recently I resumed tabletop games, I got the new LotR book in the Battle for Osgiliath set and I found the new dynamics really great whereas realising WH40K had 5 new versions in 15 years and after a few tutorial videos, I was like "well, One Page Rule it is !". Plus MESBG doesn't leave behind some factions the way WH40K does (I'm talking finally releasing some factions codices a few months before a new version of the game makes them obsolete, de facto making some armies unplayable for years, and also, not knowing you opponant's meta because you won't afford all the codices of all the factions)
“The Print Goes Ever On” provides great STL’s for every LOTR faction. I now have a 500 man Gondor army for less than $80 of resin. Cheers to 3d printing FREEDOM!!
Their models are excellent, no doubt about that. I started a Gondor army with them too. Only a handful of units, but I used them to play the first game of LotR in 20 years. Game mechanically hasn't changed at all, though forcing players to use warbands I think is new. I remember you only needed to put models onto the table and it didn't matter if you had a hero or not (though a captain was always useful).
3D printing is slowly killing the hobby. Short-sighted people will never realize until it is too late. Once you see hobby shops close or stop supporting wargaming to favor MTG players. Then you'll see. Year after year GW is getting smaller. Dropping games, kits, factions, the entire ForgeWorld site, etc. Thank God their IP still generates income in videogames and media. I realize I'm barking up the wrong tree, here. It just sucks because I'm really passionate about the wargaming community. It got me out of my shell and some long-time friends.
@@eggmancorpif anything its bringing the hobby back. Stuff like one page rules is getting ever more popular. GW doesn't even have most of the Lotr minis in production. If it wasn't for 3D printing we'd be limited to 25% of the range. Forgeworld site was merged for customer convenience.
@@eggmancorp The hobby is going just fine, even with 3D printing. GW isn't getting smaller. I don't know how you came to that conclusion. If anything, its getting bigger, and richer by the day. If their stores are being shut down its simply because they aren't making any money there and GW isn't afraid to close a store that isn't making money. And in much the same way, they aren't afraid to drop support for a game if its not making them enough money (though from my perspective they've added more games in the last few years with at least one more to come, so again I just do not understand your perspective). And licensing revenues from Video games and other media makes up a decent chunk of their yearly profit, but model sales make up the majority of those yearly profits. If you base the wargaming hobby on just GW's financials, its definitely going quite strong. Hobby shops closing is a more serious issue, but I blame that on the internet than on 3D printing. It's never been easier to just go online, go to a discount online retailer and just get the thing sent to your house direct, than it is to go into the hobby shop, buy the box and take it home, or if its a pre-order, wait for it to arrive in store and then go pick it up and go home. And if anything, hobby shops are embracing 3d printing. I sold my old printer to my local hobby shop and they tell me that they've been printing away with it quite happily for months. 3D printing is a niche hobby within a niche hobby. I know plenty of people with 3d printers that still buy plastic models instead of printing them. Printing is just a supplement to their normal habits. Hell, I myself have recently bought 1813 era Napoleonic Swedish models all in metal because I had no options in plastic or to 3d print them because 3d models for them just do not exist. By in large, 3d printers are used to print terrain and when models are too expensive or just not available any other way. The hobby has nothing to fear from 3D printers.
@@spacehamsterZH Go run 'one page rules' through your favourite search engine, for easier, faster, better rules which you can learn in a heart beat and adjust to your liking. of course can only play with those use the same ones.
I get the feeling GW is trying to pivot towards being a multimedia company and MESBG is the only game they make where they can't licence, tv shows, movies, video games etc. But they also know LOTR is one of their biggest competitiors in the multimedia sphere so maybe they don't want to make tie-ins for the competition. Sucks either way, it's the only GW game I've ever been properly interested in
It's rather sad. GW can't monetize the LotR IP outside of the miniatures game, so they have no incentive to give more than token support. But they also dare not let the license lapse, lest a rival miniatures company pick the license up and carve out real competition in the market. GW don't want another A Song of Ice and Fire game on their hands. So GW will cling to the license like Gollum clings to his "Precious". Keeping it in a limbo state of just barely supporting it, rather than letting it go to someone who would give it real love.
Did you know... They're already a multi-media company? Or did that somehow slip past you? They sell minis, books, license TV shows, video games, and magazines. Are you somehow not tracking this?
Ahem... Printer goes BRRRRRRR. If they refuse to support LOTR, and keep all the models "live" instead of phase outs and re-release nothing in their spots, then we make our own. If they want to keep people from "Sailing the Seas" they should increase (fair) access to the models.
All I want is an Easterlings Battleforce like the ones they made for every other faction in the game :/ Seriously, is it that hard to slap the easterling ringwraith into a set of infantry and kataphracts? They're too expensive outside of a box set, and I'm not paying over $200 for basic units when everyone else gets a hero and all that from much cheaper.
I started my hobby journey with this magazine that had Lord of the Rings miniatures and some basic painting supplies. Warhammer never interested me and still doesn't, but I bought loads of LotR miniatures and painted whole armies. The game really deserves better than whatever is going on at Games Workshop.
Here's my spicey take on MESBG: it is thriving precisely BECAUSE GW treat it so poorly. They have ceded the miniature side of the game to 3D printing, and these days anyone starting a new army should just splash for a printer instead. What's more, GW's merciless profiteering model hasn't impacted MESBG the same way as it has 40k, for example; no endless power creep, no codex spam, no fomo, etc. What remains is, as you say, the best game GW has ever produced, with an amazing and ever-evolving set of (printed) miniatures. I actively hope that it remains this way, as if GW get a sense that they can profiteer effectively with MESBG, it will lose everything that is currently good about it: stable and superb rules, good-enough balance, a community that is very fine with printed armies, and low barrier to entry. All this is to say, if you're thinking about giving it a go, do it, it's a great game in a great spot.
The ARE run running out of classic factions to release (only 3 teams of legend left)l and maybe a Kizlev line to shut up the Slann fans) so it is hitting a wall. It also seems to me on my end that there is also less interest in BB 2020 among local players.
I've never heard a bad thing about MESB. In a big way the LotR tcg was my table top gateway, I lament never being exposed to MESB in its heyday. Would definitely play a big Nazgul army.
I watched the French tv series Les Revenants. Very interesting take on the living dead with a small group of people randomly coming back to life years after they died and the chaos it causes in a small town.
_In The Flesh_ was a similar show in the UK. I wonder if one was based on the other, or just exploring a similar idea. Aha: The googly-machine says the UK one was the reskin.
For a good chunk of the resin models (Halflings primarily) Wargames Atlantic make some really cheap multi-part plastic kits that could do the job. Obvs cannot be used officially, but I doubt many stores even host LOTR nights anymore anyway
@@vladimirpalik6697Victrix and Gripping Beast plastic sets as well. Honestly, GW is completely irrelevant as far as wargaming in the LotR universe goes.
Always glad to hear content creators in this space making sure to let people know the truth that MESBG is the best GW game! However It’s been a really frustrating year as a MESBG player, I understand as Middle Earth isn’t their IP it’s not as easy to get the green light to create and release stuff like it is to make GW’s 90th Space marine captain every week. It’s the lack of communication, they did say on the live stream “we do have more to show you but atm we can’t say anymore” it’s just such a shame there was a real momentum building last year with some great releases and the box set around Christmas it felt like 2023 it was going to go and really kick on!
I've played lotr when it was released and made a game again a few years ago. I have to say that the game-size only works good on skirmish size. When it comes to an army sized game, lotr is soooo clumsy. You are rolling dice for everything with every model. And nothing happens. For example: shooting with a bow: Check if i hit the first tree, check if i hit the second tree, check if i hit the long gras, check if i hit the guy i want to hit, check if he can save my arrow. A neat simulation for a skirmish game, But when i have to do that for ten or more models...its so exhausting and frustrating😂
Didnt you hear that FFG beat GW out on new contract negotiations with Tolkien Estate about the same time Saul Zents Inc sold its rights in lotr and Amazon confirmed season 2 on its show. GW still has an option to exercise by end of January buuuut I dont see them being very passionate about that. Scuttlebutt I heard from retail insiders in the German market is FFG has beef with GW. Because GW droped them from the production of GW paper poducts for games. because FFG decided to compete in the miniature fantasy IP with Rune Wars. FFG was motivated to give a better offer for acces to the Tolkein property just to stick it to GW and make life more expansive for GW.
Am I a bad man for hoping Games Workshop somehow loses the license and Atomic Mass Games snags it up to make a Marvel Crisis Protocol/Star Wars Shatterpoint-esque skirmish game with big, beautiful, plastic, sculpts and thematic terrain boxed in a reasonably priced starter set?
I'm not watching this, cause every video is the death of GW, the end of warhammer, the rumination of whatever. So, why is she claiming that the LOTR game is dead?
I think it is pretty clear between what we've seen happen and GW's statement when they revealed the forge world diorama at the beginning of the year that there are legal/ip issues preventing them from releasing new content as planned.
I don't think there are legal issues. I think it's that they currently retain the license, but the license will at some point expire and they don't want to invest in LOTR as they'll never own the IP. Warhammer is their IP and they own it through-and-through. I wouldn't be surprised if in like 5 years they didn't renew the license and just dropped the franchise to just then focus on their own Warhammer only stuff.
I think you are even underselling the game! The books for MESBG are SO worth it... I think they are the nicest rule tomes GW ever released and the risk for codex creep is next to none compared to 40k. Yes, there are quite a few books but they are all optional, fill a mostly nieche purpose and wont get outdated just through points adjustments or range refreshes.
I'm pretty sure GW did have high expectation about the LotR Amazon series tRoP, but since it was a total fail, it's hard to justify starting a new line of miniatures base on the series as they did with the movies to start with new sculpts and models. So it pretty much seals the deal there.
That segue between a terribly disguised hobbit fingering joke and this videos sponsor was smooth Discourse ;p I think you hit the nail on the head regarding 40K being a "character-led" IP now. For me part of 40K's appeal was the fact that it was such an enormous setting, with more than enough room for me to have my own characters in my own force. You can still do that, of course, but GW themselves don't seem to be in a very facilitating mood these days. Also the Primarchs tend to be massive bellends and I don't find them all that compelling tbh.
_"Gw just dropped their best game."_ Mordheim? GorkaMorka? Battle Fleet Gothic? Necromunda? Inquisitor? Warhammer Fantasy? Epic? Warmaster? Underworld? Cursed City? Sorry, im losing count at this point. Seriously, we need an organisation like the CPS/NSPCC but for abandoned and/or abused IPs. GW is like that one shitty couple that keeps having kids and just abandons them at the drop of a hat.
This video is clickbait trash…GW didn’t abandon the game. It received an updated rulebook and new starter set less than a year ago (plus a whole bunch of modular terrain sets). Considering the game is 20 years old and that GW doesn’t own the IP, that’s pretty good. It’s a “niche” game but it’s healthy.
Thankfully, I have a huge pile of shame of LOTR models bought at their time of release way back when the were first released. Might be time to break out the brushes again.....LOL
"Games Workshop Just ABANDONED Their Best Game"... but actually "Games Workshop haven't recently released anything for what USED to be their best selling game".
It’s really sad that I can’t get anyone in my local area to play any game over than 40K. Even my AOS beast of chaos army goes unused most weeks. Games like mesbg and malifaux are impossible to find people to play with. Thank god that my friend got into middle earth at the same time I did and we can enjoy games together. It sucks that GW doesn’t advertise mesbg the way they do their other games, because I’d wager there would any more players if they did.
There are plenty of good 3d print LOTR minis out there, far better than most of the GW range. I thought that GW had lost some LOTR licences earlier this year, and that the game and minis only had as short life left. Surprised when the clear plastic warriors off the dead were announced, anyone as you say, has a warrior of the dead army, painted up is unlikely to want to replace, if they had been different sculps it would be far better. The rules can of course be used with any minis, not just overpriced GW ones. 😊
It's the one IP GW will never give up because it would be too valuable in the hands of a competitor. So they will just sit on it and do nothing with it. Kind of reminds me of what happened with the X-Men with Marvel. They had sold the film rights to X-Men to Fox (and Spider-Man to Sony) and all they had left was the much less popular Avengers characters (the X-Men comics were their biggest sellers and most popular characters, by far). Lo and behold, when their Avengers movies took over the world, they had to stop promoting their own X-Men comics since they didn't control the rights for the movies, and didn't want to promote characters for a competing studio's movies. So their most popular comic franchise withered on the vine solely because of corporate intrigue.
oh look, shes moaning again.and no, its never been gws best selling game, its always been 40k by some margin. lotr quiet impressively got to second place at its height though
The great Christopher Lee never accidentally wandered in on any movie set, the sets were build everywhere in the hope he would bless them with his presence! Such audacity has seen many a potato field burned, better be careful woman!
i have never done this, and you caused me to break a moral rule I promised myself I never would... but your fucking ad transition was so seamless, it was like watching the baby of Art and Science dance with the Muse of Performance herself to produce a magnum opus, I had to give you a Like. Thanks for making me support capitalism, Discourse. I hope you're happy.
I am still salty that when they announced the diorama at warhammer fest in... april? they said 'you will get a lot of anouncements for mesbg soon'. and when we do get an announcement more than half a year later, it's... 'same kit in different plastic'.
I was told by a GW rep that the problem is that GW has to get every single thing approved by the Tolkien estate first then approval from the Weta folks in NZ to for the style to match the movies and all. Add to that the license for LotR stuff is prohibitively expensive. I used to own a local game store, In the early days of MESB it was an easy sell. Around 2015 it really started to drop in sales. Today its GW's fourth bestselling game, 40k, AoS, Horus Heresy, then MESB, and according to my contacts in retail the game market it has dropped market share every single year since around 2015. In the end It just feels similar to how WFB went out. Licensed products are less profitable by their very nature. I don't agree with that, but it is what it is. Corporations are always going to act in their own self-interest. Love the channel, keep up the good fight.
I’m pretty sure GW has lost the license to LotR very recently to the Embracer Group and it’s going to the company that’s making Marvel Crisis Protocol. That’s why GW hasn’t made any effort on LoTR. Another YT channel covered it, and I think they said that 2024 is the last year GW will have the license. I think Game Classy also covered this topic of GW losing the license.
In july this year I made a list of all the new stuff that came out in 2023 (up until july) for Blood Bowl, Necromunda and Middle Earth. It was a total joke for MESBG. Both BB and Necromunda got 10 new minis, books, dice and some other stuff in those 7 months. Middle Earth got 2 new pieces of terrain and the road diorama, which affect the actual game 0%. Don't forget theres supposedly a whole Middle Earth department hired at GW doing not sure what.
I can't believe this! I only just heard about MESBG about a month ago & it's already discontinued. I want to get back into the hobby. Waiting for The Old World now, I guess.
Skip to #10:40 to find out what she's actually talking about. TLDR: It's not discontinued, she's just ranting about how there hasn't been new minis in a long time
So a friend of mine bought the 2003 Urukai v Rohan Riders starter kit when it was released, didn’t care for it after painting two models, and gave it to me about two years ago. I didn’t know the rule book would still be valid minus some FAQs and story additions! Maybe I should dust it off….
I worked for Games Workshop for four summers. It was so HARD to get any employees into LotR. Like read all rather play Battle fleet Gothic, Blood bowl, anything. 1) The LotR rules were bad. They really just weren't fun nor tactical. 2) The miniatures were on a different scale from Warhammer so you couldn't even use any of those really cool miniatures in other games. 3) I always knew that it sold well but not in the Boston area. I sold so few boxes of that stuff. Mostly the people who just wanted to paint D&D figures and like the Lord of the Rings models.
So basically what I am seeing here, print your army in sweet resin detail and don't feel guilty because I have a damn hard time find any models here in South Africa. I have the 4 war hosts and the new starter set, now they do this... Lovely.
Lotrs sbg was my first game into the hobby, $50 got u the starter box that included 2 armies, terrain supples and a rule book that included 75% of the current units at that time. When the hobbit movie released those scumbags bought back all the product they could find from all game stores. Re packaged everything with a new label so they can remove half of the product within n charge double over night. The core rules to this game hasn’t changed over the 4 most recent editions so if u find an older rule book u can still enjoy it. Also there are like 4 3D sculptors that make far better quality then the official minis, at a fraction of the cost also. Codex doesn’t exist in the game. And fuck gamesworkshop
Best doesn’t matter when it doesn’t sell, so im not sure what point you’re making. Also, their best game is Warhammer Fantasy (6th edition specifically), not Middle Earth.
As interesting as the LOFR game play style I can see that it would have made 40K much more interesting when I still played it but that was last century and there is already the possibility of seizure of the game that doesn't work beyond you go me go as there is only 45 minutes to finish a game making the guilty secret called JJ's imagined child Praise Nuffle that has been kept alive throughout and is the most punk mentality game 🎉🏈🎉 I am guilty of wasting Orcs wantings
Never did like the Middle earth games..... However losing a specialist game is always annoying... BFG, Necromunda, Mordheim, Inquisitor, far too many not only dropped but discouraged.
As a non-player of LotT, the one thing I have been aware of is the effort GW finally seem to be putting into proper LotR terrain sets. The lake town, Rohan and now Gondor building sets are wonderful - and will no doubt be selling reasonably well to RPG players as well
Aww, crap... I recently unearthed a box of unpainted minis I bought 20 years ago and bought some paint and the new edition of the rules because I was thinking of getting into it finally.
I've been saying for a while now that Games Workshop have switched from selling wargames with a small but pretty decent collection of figures for each army to play games with to selling very impressive looking model kits for collecting that just happen to have a set of rules to play wargames with...
They won't care about the LotR IP anymore, because they are very limited as to what they can actually do with it. They can't sell novels changing the storylines, they are likely limited as to their agreements for what they can cast etc. And on top of that, there remains a risk that the IP may be pulled entirely one day and they lose the ability to sell any of it. I wouldn't be surprised if they take the ruleset and move it over to one of their existing IP's in the future.
GW hasn't abandoned MESBG 😂 True the releases for MESBG are far slower than all of their other games, but that's because of a combination of factors, mainly that's simply because they don't own LOTR IP. I started playing 16 years ago when you couldn't buy half the models, and no one played the game. However, since the relaunch in 2017 the game has been a big cash cow for GW and loads more people have gotten into the game. Compared to how GW treated their best game before and after 2017 it's been a massive improvement but more than that the community is very much alive and thriving. There's a tournament coming up soon at my LGS at 450 points that's sold out 120 tickets with more people on the reserve list. To put into perspective that's like having a tournament for 40k at 750 points sell 120 tickets which imo I could not see happening. TLDR silly video with click bait title. MESBG has not been abandoned by GW
Wow! I just wasted 16 minutes of my life. Good luck getting a job at GW. You’ve completely obliterated your chances of working for the largest miniature company in the world. Bravo!
As far as I can remember GW's license only applies to the Lord of the Rings and Hobbit film's and not the books. this does limit them to some extent on what they can do and they seem to be trying to hang on to the license in the same way that New Line produced c@&p Hellraiser films until they got the idea how to continue it. New sculpts could be the way to go but from a commercial point of view how many would they sell? On a more personal tangent, the next Liverpool Comicon has Frodo .Eowyn, Merry (or Pippin - the one that wasn't Scottish) and Theoden in attendance - probably expect more. So if you want to get Frodo's ring on you're finger I'll alert Elijah Wood's bodyguards (Sam, Merry and Pippin)!
It's really sad that people will watch your video who thought about getting into MESBG and now they won't consider it because they're under the illusion that the game is dying. It's better than it ever was. You have just lost all your integrity in my eyes and my sub is leaving with it.
Long-term players of MESBG have been through this before. During the 2013-2015 timeframe, which was post-Hobbit movies, they didn't even get figures released to cover many of the models to tie-in with the 3rd movie. For 3 years GW basically released nothing, and it was during that time that the playing community took it upon themselves to keep the game going. Regardless of what GW does now, the game will continue, with proxied models if need be.
I only went to Games Workshop for TLOTR and TH, so if they end the Middle Earth line I won’t buy anything else that sell. Don’t care at all about Warhammer, it is all about Tolkien’s World for me.
well me did like the minis at 2omm and the rond basses and did what to claet the minis just to mutch fore me yes like LORR the storys books ok films are ok but just cant get in to a game not even a vid game just to mutch so say nope to it i in joy the book and films and thats all but i liked the WHFB and if start that agen like do a hobit army be fun to do not just a unit fore enpier thats my think on it
I don't play MESBG because the IP doesn't lend itself to what I want from a wargame: making my own armies and stories. I love LotR and The Hobbit, but I couldn't possibly care less about the stuff that happens outside of those stories. But I can easily make up my own City in AoS that weaves the story of several of my armies together, or my own CSM warband (even if it is from within an existing Legion). I just don't feel that same interest in the LotR setting, and I will play games with worse rulesets if I get to play models I care about with a story that engages the creative center of my brain.
I'm not here to debate the content of the video. As a Lord of The Rings player (Lothlorien forever) I agree with most of the criticism. However, the title is just inflammatory. There is a difference between abandoning an intellectual property and not updating it. As far as new content, there's only so much one can do with the source material. I'd love it if there was some undiscovered or unpublished manuscript for a new Lord of The Rings book, sadly there isn't. There are no new writers expanding on events Tolkien outlined, or creating new events of their own. Even if there were, and Games Workshop were to create models for those characters and factions, that's a legal agreement that would have to be worked out between Tolkiens estate, Games Workshop, and whatever other party is involved. All that being said, I'm hopeful that Lord of The Rings: The War of the Rohirrim will lead to some new sculpts. Even if they are just for Rohan, Dunland, and whomever else will be involved. Again I can understand the frustrations, I share many of them. If The War of the Rohirrim does well, and I can't think of a reason why it wouldn't (just don't be like The Hobbit Trilogy please), then maybe it'll lead to other projects. Games workshop will make new sculpts based on characters and whatever else, and if we're lucky, we'll get more people into a really smoothly put together game.
Here in South Africa finding any models are difficult, I have now resorted to printing what I need. Resin printer, some resin and the correct model, army ready in less than 2 weeks. That is quicker than any order from anywhere, the cost is not insane and it works. So I have started to support GW less and less after they killed off WHFB, the biggest challenge here if you have models? Finding an opponent.
Fortunately the rules and statlines are set and balanced. We don't actually need GW for mesbg. There are plenty of other places to get proxies whether printing or buying 3rd party models. Personally im glad gw hasnt 40k'd MESBG. Telling ppl to pirate the books might not be a wise choice on YT btw
GW becoming a corporate entity is probably one of the worst things to happen to its precious IP, but will turn out to be excellent for wargaming as a whole. Mostly because they're going to continue making shortsighted profit-motivated decisions and in the process, driving more and more new and existing players to other games by other publishers. I'm never going to not love Warhammer Fantasy and 40k's settings, but I have better places to spend what little money I have and you do too. Let GW's execs and shareholders rot.
I miss the create your own guys to take lists.. GW cutting the game down to buy this and use it as this really killed every piece of interest i had in the 40k universe so i played Fantasy.. then they did uh.. We dont talk about the end times. I collected LOTR magazines as a child and will be getting the Osgiliath box set for Christmas so i can introduce my wife to tabletop because as you say, its just so darn accessible as a game and intro to tabletop. If it werent for Necromunda i just dont see a reason for myself to personally continue supporting games workshop because it appears the old worlds just another 2023 take on making a good thing bad.
