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Games Workshop MASSIVE DESIGN FLAW... Kill Team Into The Dark Terrain FIXED Warhammer 40k Space Hulk 

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Welcome back to the channel War Hammer Man Checking out the new Kill Team Into the Dark Starter set (Space Hulk) Including 2 new kill teams, & terrain.
The New terrain is Great, unfortunately its poorly designed for painting, and playing... so if you want to keep your terrain modular, and have it assemble and disassemble with ease, there are some quick steps you can take to fix it! the best part is, its free, and just requires a little elbow grease, and a file!
New Kill Team Starter: Into The Dark
12xImperial Navy Breachers
12xKroot Kinband
-dice, tokens, cards, game mat
Core Rulebook
Into the Dark Book
Terrain
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@gramitoncleric7
@gramitoncleric7 Год назад
Appreciate you figuring this out before I got started on my set. It would have been a pain to have to sand things down after painting. Thanks boss.
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
of course my friend, glad to help! once you know what you need to focus on, its a relatively easy fix! cheers
@Caladors
@Caladors Год назад
My dude you are mana from heaven. You actually go through each issue and say the solution. So I currently have this in a commission backlog, my commissionee is like get six dozen kill teams and paint them and all the terrain and I heard it had issues. My job is literally to make it so he doesn't have problems so I looked at maganztizing everything... but this lays it out the easiest and simplest I have seen of anyone. The core terrain seems the same through despite it being much more recent. So all of this is still relevant today. Anyway what I am trying to do is say thanks
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
no worries my friend, glad it helped. i dont mind doing all the hard work, so the community doesnt have to! its a lot of prep work, to fix GW's poor design, but once you clean everything up, its an amazing set! cheers
@Clarkens
@Clarkens Год назад
Thanks for the video - what I found was a rotary helped speed things up... but the first couple walls I did I probably took a little too much off and it fits a little loose. Not a big deal once everything is assembled on the table though. What I found is just scuffing a bit with the rotary and then finishing with a file worked well - I recommend people try one or two and see what they are comfortable with. One more tip for anyone reading: I like to add some sticky tac or something equivalent inside the terrain for the parts that get completely sealed off (like the pillar that goes onto the middle of the larger walls, or some of the scatter terrain). Just adds a bit of extra heft for not a lot of effort - - for these close combat sort of games I think it's nice to have the terrain a little heavier and maybe less likely to get knocked around by accident as you are moving things.
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
cheers my friend, thanks for sharing!
@paulregan9245
@paulregan9245 Год назад
The effects of cad cam design on computer which gives such a perfect fit that it is not really practical in real life. Great heads up though and easy to fix as you show so well here.....good job!
@DarrinSK
@DarrinSK Год назад
Really all their stuff is done on a computer. Whoever did this one did not allow for tolerances of the plastic
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
lol ya when nerds forget they are designing stuff for the real world... thats what you get haha
@christianjohansen1493
@christianjohansen1493 Год назад
Love this video. Simple and clean. Good job. Thank you!
@Dagglestone
@Dagglestone Год назад
I’m about to paint all these. I’m really glad RU-vid suggested this. I’ll clean my slots and stuff up before I paint them. Good video!
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
awesome glad to hear! its such a. nice set i'm excited to paint, and play on it! cheers
@seanmoran6589
@seanmoran6589 Год назад
This set arrived over the weekend and I am looking forward to getting started on it later this week. Really appreciate this demonstration before I have even begun. Time to get me a nice sized file. Thank you, really informative video!!
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
of course my friend, the set is awesome you will love it! especially after some prep work. cheers!
@domoarigatomrrobot-oh6647
@domoarigatomrrobot-oh6647 Год назад
Thank you very much for the analysis and fix for this terrain.
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
of course my friend
@hakbash7588
@hakbash7588 Год назад
I had to do the same thing to mine. I masked off the ends of the walls and put the caps on when I spray primed it as well.
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
according to GW, it was designed this way intentionally... sure GW, great plan, to require power tools, and painters tape, to build your kits...
@TheAwesomeviking
@TheAwesomeviking Год назад
For some reason the set I got needed no sanding. The tolerances were perfect. So this could be a problem with some batches, and not all.
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
nice, anything is possible!
@BB-pn2qv
@BB-pn2qv Год назад
This is an exhausting flaw… my hands are raw from snding
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
in the grim darkness of the future, there is only... sanding. lol
@Redtecho
@Redtecho Год назад
Just got the terrain the other day on Ebay for under 90$ or so. This will be good.
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
ya the terrain is really nice. there is almost no assembly, but the prep work takes a while. its worth it though, being able to assemble and disassemble easily is crucial to this kit!
@templargfx
@templargfx Год назад
I think I got lucky with my box. All the parts fit together tightly but not in a way that makes it hard to put them together or pull them apart. When its together it is rock solid, there is no wiggle in the walls and it creates perfect square rooms.
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
that is awesome, glad to hear! did you paint your set, did you mask off the connection points, from paint? cheers, it would be great if there was a second running, without the issues!
@templargfx
@templargfx Год назад
@@WarHammerMan very carefully masked off all the connection areas and filled the slots in the pillars with bluetack :D
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
nice glad that worked out for you!
@Gumlass1
@Gumlass1 Год назад
Best video on the interwebs!
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
thanks my friend
@SpannSr1970
@SpannSr1970 Год назад
Thanks for the info Bro!
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
of course my friend
@nathanthom8176
@nathanthom8176 Год назад
The first issue you highlight was I think removed during my regular cleanup. I did find the pillar slots tight but I solved that by running a small fine square profile file in the column channels
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
thanks for sharing. you'd be surprised what percentage of people do not clean up mold lines. its crazy.
@amsfountain8792
@amsfountain8792 Год назад
Thanks for sharing. I am doing the same.
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
of course my friend
@manofaction1807
@manofaction1807 Год назад
Required Watching in leu of prep work for the new sets.
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
i've heard some people say their sets were fine, so def do a test fit, and make up your mind, about what is best for you!
@polyhedron3386
@polyhedron3386 Год назад
Getting a degree in structural engineering just to put together my toys.
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
lol, its worth it, this terrain is pretty awesome!
@davidhardstaff8110
@davidhardstaff8110 Год назад
Put tape on the edges before painting. Then take off after resolves a lot of issues .
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
that would work if the fit you already have is good... that is obviously not the case, as you can see how much effort goes into pushing them in correctly. its a good idea, but pointless if you dont already have the perfect fit... have to sand until it fits nicely... that is the top priority.. then you can decide to sand a little more if you want to paint over it all, or a little less if you want to also mask the joints...
@no_cool_names
@no_cool_names Год назад
Should be noted: when I was going through the sanding step with a hard file it is easy to see that the tab surfaces are not flat (not sure you would see this with a soft sanding stick/ sponge). Give after some filing there was still some sections that the file had not touched. I assume this is due to the the thicker plastics cooling at differtly rates resulting in the non flat surface, thus poor tolerances and a too tight a fit. (But still just an assumption, as I'm not privy to there manufacturering practice/ facilities) In any case the amount of work that has to go into making the product usable as intended is ridiculous, especially for something that costs $200.
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
thanks for sharing. it is very surprising it made it all the way to production, fitting how it does. GW knows its getting painted. cant believe they never actually tried a prototype... incompetent!
@DarkKnightCuron
@DarkKnightCuron Год назад
Awesome video, thank you so much! I was just getting around to assembling and preparing my set! Do you have a link to those files you used so I can order some? Thanks for the content!
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
i went with the 180/240 Emery Boards (Nail file). you can get a bundle of like 10-25 from amazon or china, for around $5, they last quite a while, and you can throw away when done. cheers
@DarkKnightCuron
@DarkKnightCuron Год назад
@@WarHammerMan thank you!!
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
you got it!
@maxxon99
@maxxon99 Год назад
Do you think it would be worthwhile to magnetize the pillar tops?
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
no i dont. i think people are trying far to hard, to add magnets to this set, when there are none necessary. the tops of the pillars stay on perfectly well. this set is designed well, it just needs to be tweaked. (like i show in the video).
@Walkingdeath_69
@Walkingdeath_69 Год назад
Awesome video mate.
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
thank you my friend, glad you enjoyed it
@ysbrann3059
@ysbrann3059 Год назад
I dont know if we can talk about a flaw when we get such a good product
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
we can always talk about a flaw, no matter what, its called freedom of speech, its great!
@doshutokeshi3877
@doshutokeshi3877 Год назад
I wouldn't say design flaw per se. It's the limitations of a two piece mould. The only way they could remove the mould lines on the parts (where they are) is to do multi-part moulds, or "Slide Moulds" as it is known in the plastic model industry, would cost more. In GW dollars, I don't even think about how much that would cost. For GW, at least add $50-$75 per kit. Regular model cleaning mould lines and remove sprue gate remnants. Cool
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
lol i'm guessing you dont actually have the set... its clearly a design flaw. the terrain is intended to be painted, it already barely fits together... its not an issue of mold lines... the mold lines are just something you need to clean up... the issue is the design is not accounting for the paint, that makes the connecting points no longer function. if its intended to be painted, but the paint interferes with the function, thats a design flaw if i've ever seen one...
@doshutokeshi3877
@doshutokeshi3877 Год назад
@@WarHammerMan okay I get it. Yeah the tolerances are way too high. In the manufacturing business they call it "slip". Not enough slop in the design. This should have been sorted out in the initial production so the tooling can be adjusted. Most unfortunate
@cptkrank6802
@cptkrank6802 Год назад
@@WarHammerMan The high friction fit is probably intentional, as modular kits like this will become looser over time as you put them together and take them apart. It's something you run into if you use Mantic's modular terrain a lot as well. Though I think the ridges are overkill. IMO sanding joints and mold lines on thick plastic terrain like this is just something you've got to expect. Sector Imperialis needed the same level of pre-assembly cleanup, especially the floor plates. As long as it's not warped plastic it's not a big deal - if pieces this thick get warped it's a nightmare. And it's probably a good idea to just mask off the connections and leave them in grey plastic.
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
i couldnt disagree more, with basically everything you said lol. cheers
@dannywagenaar7420
@dannywagenaar7420 Год назад
What are those walls? Looks good.
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
it is the new terrain from the kill team into the dark set.
@dannywagenaar7420
@dannywagenaar7420 Год назад
Oh yeah, I meant the cardboard scenery like a dm screen around the board! 😅 Thanks for the tips btw, also bought the Into the Dark set, still have to build it.
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
oh sorry, lol. its the old kill team game board, from rogue trader! on side is a munistorum temple, the other is a space ship (thats the side i have showing).
@syd4890
@syd4890 Год назад
The amount of work vs the kit price is not worth it to me. I'll wait for the next sets to see if they fix this lol.
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
ya without this issue, there would be little to no cleanup or assembly. with this issue, the prep more than makes up for the benefits of the modular terrain. i've heard a few people claim to not have this issue... more likely they just dont understand, most people dont want to have to muscle their little toys together every time they play
@manofaction1807
@manofaction1807 Год назад
looks like it needs to be machined with a Dremel.
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
it worked really well with the file, takes some time, but well worth it.
@alexneal9534
@alexneal9534 Год назад
All the new push fit stuff has similar issues.
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
ya i always clip the end off the push fit pegs. leave some room for clearance. makes a huge difference. i know a lot of people cut the pegs off completely. cheers
@beardwierd2783
@beardwierd2783 Год назад
Imagine if forge world had made it😂
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
lol it would be all warped, pieces missing, and show up 3 months after you order it. haha
@SpecterWSA
@SpecterWSA Год назад
What grit of sand paper so I don't fuck this up lol
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
the little emery boards/nail files i used are 180 on sone side and 240 on the other (180/240)
@SpecterWSA
@SpecterWSA Год назад
@@WarHammerMan God damn saint
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
glad to help my friend!
@Lighthawk1986
@Lighthawk1986 Год назад
It’s pretty obvious it wasn’t designed to be reconfigurable. James workshop needs his Lamborghini so go buy more box sets already!
@WarHammerMan
@WarHammerMan Год назад
lol it was designed to be modular, it was not designed to be painted... which makes no sense. the problem is it was designed on computers, and the prototype was clearly not tested properly (painted)
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