@@FifeFX Windows has had this function for years but simply does not work and turns off the computer instead of suspending it Edit: and it breaks the system too
@@mrCastrinho_ mac also used to have the break system problem, only the past year, since Apple decided to break my last Mac, mid exam at University btw. That they decided to fix it, & now it works, & now i can sleep in the middle of project and it still be there after a nap etc,
I just use geforce now. The power savings from not running a 600W+ PC probably pays for a good portion of the subscription, plus I don't have to pay to cool the room.
It's really nice for sure. Especially in countries where electricity prices are fluctuating wildly. I've had to keep my gaming rig turned off for months cause it was too hot plus electricity prices were dumb.
Or just force companies and governments to optimise themselves by not buying new PC every year? Force nvidia, Intel AMD to make better hardwares that doesn't use much electricity and cools themselves effectively, by not being a loyal customer of them to lick their feet😂
When Apple switched from PowerPC to Intel they didn't even bother to port their arcade game. 😋 I don't believe Steve Jobs or Tim Cook ever took gaming seriously. I can't even play Skyrim on my 27" iMac, the open source utilities like Wine are horrible. I bet most Windows 3.1 to XP games wouldn't run either.
For those who use windows with a Mac. If I have to pay to use windows then it's a no go. Parallel is cool but I'm not buying a Mac to PAY MONTHLY to emulate windows. If it doesent work like bootcamp then there is not much of a point.
I have a Windows PC I built for gaming but I have a M1 MacBook air for school which is perfect for what I need. I think sticking with Windows for gaming for now is the best bet, especially since you don't have to worry about emulation or abstraction layers.
This is definitely the play if you have the money. Gaming PC with a macbook air for travel and school use. The 13 inch macbook is only beat by a few chromebooks in terms of portability
Yep macbook air is imo great now with m1/m2 pricing being somewhat cheaper. But I could never get used to macOS, so ill wait for a time when I need a new basic laptop :) Arm windows will be good in the future im sure.
@@Djuntas I was able to get mine for $600 at a back to school sale from Best Buy (more than likely it was old stock they were trying to get rid of). The biggest selling point for me was the battery life, previously I had an Asus ZenBook 14 which the battery life was decent but by the end of my classes it was about dead. My MacBook lasts just about all day so pretty happy with that haha. I'm curious to see how well the battery life will be for Arm Windows computers!
@@Owencr905 I agree to certain extent mainly the AAA stuff is cheaper on other platforms. I think maybe when their able to get games day in date with other platforms or get some better exclusives
@@Owencr905 They're slowly building up with the 'console games on iPhone', AC Mirage, etc, though they don't seem to be taking it super seriously just yet.
It’s the PC master race people. They think they’re “different” but in all reality they are just bandwagon fanboys who follow the herd just like some Apple sheep. I’m mostly excited for Apple gaming because of the eco system. Everything I already own will just work. AirPods will switch between iPhone Mac, and iPad. Save states across devices, and the ability to only buy a game once and it work on all devices. Thats the true power here that I don’t think anyone is thinking about.
@@spiderman4804 these people don’t seem to realize that x86’s days are numbered. Nvidia is going all in on AI. Small form factor ARM based machines are in everyone’s future whether they use Mac or Windows.
@@yomamasushi9776I agree, people who hate things just for the sake of hating them are more annoying than fanboys most of the time. At least with fanboys, they are genuinely positive about what they are talking about, even if they are misinformed. People just being negative constantly are just flat out annoying lol
I can see Apple beefing up the Apple TV and using the Apple Arcade platform to release AAA games and almost turning it into a console. Imagine the fluidity you can have with iCloud and gaming across devices.
I've tried making gaming work on my M1 MacBook Air, while not a gaming beast, for the casual moments, that is where I think Mac gaming shines. I wouldn't go into Mac gaming thinking you can get full desktop RTX 4090 quality. I would also suggest getting a laptop or MacBook with a fan because after an hour or two, this computer gets warm to hot depending on the game. The best part about Mac gaming is having so much battery, that after a 1-hour session, you can still watch videos, browse the web, and still have battery leftover. Edit: I since test the game porting kit. And they were right, I couldn't get it to run on my M1 MBA. However Steam(and the Mac App Store) has games you can play. Tomb Raider games work fine, might run hot but can be played. Inside runs incredibly well and at a locked 60fps. Borderlands 2 runs incredibly well, you may have audio switching issues with headphones and the mute button doesn't always mute. BTD 6 runs very well. No issues so far. Minecraft Java runs decently. May get hot after an hour and good luck with mods. And that's the games I was able to download and play with my storage, probably ~40gigs of games and my system has very little issue with these.
I've gamed on my Mac for well over a year now, with things like CrossOver and more and more games coming to Mac, it is definitely becoming a good option.
I agree with you.your one of the only one with some sense who actually games on a Mac and has tried it instead of whipping shit out of your ass like others do lol.your comment should have more likes.
I have a windows PC and use my MacBook for on the go. Although on steam a lot of games still aren’t supported it’s getting a lot better. Windows right now tho still is better just for the amount of games it can run tho
@@NotAJoshA lot of the new games work decent on crossover running thru Cxpatcher with steam. It’s getting a lot better. Currently playing Black myth. I play on my M2 Max and it’s it my primary computer since it’s used for music production and other things.
I played Tomb Raider (2014) on my M1 MacBook Air and the performance was surprisingly good. But the keyboard gets insanely hot AND I will never recommend Apple computers simply for the fact that storage is NON UPGRADEABLE. What snapdragon with the Arm based laptops having expandable storage on the boards just proves yet again Apple is forcing stupid BS down people's throats and making them spend 3 to 4x the price for normal amounts of storage capacity
windows 11 annoys the hell out of me all the Ads and i bought my copy of windows 11. all the bloat the updates reverting my settings. i bought a mac mini and never looked back as a photographer im really loving it. and pixelmator is awesome. i've always had a PlayStation for gaming
@@bassheadlife492 I work in IT and despise 11. By ads we mean how TikTok and Instagram and are in the start menu by default. The constant nags to use Edge or OneDrive. The 'please use Microsoft 365' popups. The Game Pass ad in the setup menu. That is what pushed me to Linux, then to macOS.
@LBSiUK My solution to them nagging about the services was to get them, and I've been happy with the results. Also I see ZERO ads when I open the start menu 🤔
I'm currently playing WoW's new expansion on my M1 mini. It has a 1tb SSD and 16 GB RAM. So far it's been super smooth, holding at 60FPS which is all I need.
So the amount of money you need to spend on a Mac M3 Max or even Pro you can buy a M3 16 1 tb and a windows computer. Granted I do like Apple products and basically use my Windows gaming machine like a console. They are not there yet. Maybe the October event will surprise. They need to get the developers on board. I do a lot of Sim Racing and that is just a no go on Mac. Believe me I would like to just buy one Mac and have it all but I just don't see that happening until ARM takes over. If ARM takes over.
Only people who have no idea about gaming will recommend a Mac for gaming, why pay a lot of money for a limited computer and pray that maybe the game you bought will work for you on a Mac. By the way, the GPU in Apple silicon processors is not powerful enough for AAA games today, only M3 MAX comes close to a normal gaming experience at an insane price.
800 and $1200 graphics cards for a gaming PC make it to the point where you might as well buy an M3 max processor. By the way, that’s the processor not the graphics card, sir.
gaming on macs aren't targeted to hardcore gamers, they're targeting those casual gamers to try AAA games on the mac and keep them in the apple ecosystem. that's the main purpose.
Again what is with people say Linux isn't for smooth brains. I'm one of the most smooth brains in my friend group and I can easily work my way around Linux. It's legit not that hard.
@@antieatingactivist Yup, desktop Linux has gone through some changes for sure. Used to be a chore to even install it, like 15 years ago. Now I have two out of four of my rigs on Linux (Nobara and Pop!OS) and getting rid of Windows on the rest this month.
My old laptop (i5 7400, 1050 4gb) was getting old and I was really deciding if MAC was and option, I usually play WoW, R6 Siege, Fortnite and so on and those are good on MAC... Still bought i5 14400, 4060ti 8gb, 32gb DDR5 and enjoying like... I have never seen this good graphics. I alaready have M1 ipad Air and i14 pro so... getting like best of both worlds
@@Steve.._. My limit was 1000 euros, so with this and power suply, and m2 nvme ssd and tower it was exactly 997,- eur, which is great for me. i can now play gamepass games on ultra, Cyberpunk on ultra and so on... and still have ipad to draw in procreate and make 4k videos on iphonento cut on ipad... best of all worlds.
If you want new release current games, then PC is the way to go. But I’m with Matt on the idea of a single device that can do ALL the things I would want video editing, graphic design, web browsing, productivity, and some gaming then an M1 MacBook Air is fantastic. I bought one for my wife when they first came out and it’s been my favorite laptop we’ve ever owned. With emulation we have decades of fantastic games to play and the only current game we really play is Demeo with cross play to my iPad Pro and our Quest VR headsets. The M1 MacBook Air and a Nintendo Switch has way more than enough gaming for my family of casual social gamers.
I used to work for Microsoft before I retired. I know ‘how the sausage is made’ and refuse to use ANY Microsoft OS. I have used MacOS for years now and will NEVER go back! Sure gaming is a bit rough but you don’t buy a Mac for games.
A ryzen 7 laptop will get better cpu and GPU performance for less than a $1k MacBook air. You're showing used prices. Hell, you can buy a dell g16 for $1k right now with a 4060 and an i7.
I don't think Apple realizes how much of an advantage they'd have over Microsoft if they were able to support most Windows games at equivalent fps with the proper hardware. With Microsoft edging into the subscription model for Windows, many gamers will absolutely consider switching to Linux (Proton). However, if Apple can compete with Proton in both game support and performance (and possibly offer other gamer-friendly incentives), many of those Windows gamers would choose macOS over Linux. This would also retain their existing user base and the word would spread. Their market share would increase year after year until Microsoft is considered a useless dinosaur, and then game devs would start targeting macOS/Linux (POSIX) over the proprietary MS/Windows
Yeah.... So just AA games? Not the other games everyone else plays? I am not a fan of Windows 11 but I rather still be able to play my collection of games spanning back into the 90s. The only console I own and use regularly is the Switch. My other computer that I use day to day runs Linux.
I installed Linux Mint on my living room PC. Can play pretty much any single player game that I want to play. I dual boot my bedroom gaming PC. Only because I play some online games that don't run on Linux. But I definitely prefer the Linux experience. No bloat ware. Easy setup nowadays. No ads.
And it's not Linux's fault online games don't work, it's the devs who don't care about Linux at all cause it's so niche. I tend to avoid any games with Anti-cheats or terrible DRM like Denuvo. Although, they're mostly used by companies I already avoid like the plague.
With Linux Mint, honestly they should have a quicker install and experience then Windows. Takes usually one 10 minute RU-vid tutorial video online on how to download Linux Mint, make a boot-able flashdrive and open your BIOS menu select and run the flashdrive "which is usually always F1, F12 or Delete on 95% of PCs". after that the installer like Windows takes care of the rest. You can even test drive the OS out before you even install it. Install Steam & Heroic from the built in Mint app store and your gaming & playing native Linux & Windows programs, no command line. RU-vid PLEASE FIX your comment system!
I gamed on my 12inch Retina MacBook for years (sadly the increased OS overhead means it no longer has the legs to do that in 2024). The use case is exactly as envisaged here - I travel a lot for work with a corporate laptop and want a really light machine of my own to do personal stuff on. Because I’m carrying two devices (or more - depending on the work assignment) I’m content to make a lot of trade offs for portability. A small choice of games is better than no games, and I lean towards older titles, so performance is less of a concern. I never know how much downtime I’ll get; about half of trips it’s none at all, so something heavy isn’t worth bringing. I might be in the mood to game, or to work on a personal creative project - so I want flexibility. Since nobody has brought out a machine as small as the MacBook, I’ve stuck with it a long time (plus environmental benefits of consuming less). After 9 years, I’m about to upgrade to the relatively heavy and bulky M3 MacBook Air; I’m excited by the increased support for games, but wonder if the extra size and weight will make it less favourable overall.
I love my M2 MacBook Air but it gets HOT and throttles when I try playing basic games. I think ultimately they’ll adopt a small form factor of silent cooling, like the frore units, and they’ll be damn near perfect.
Some of the games out there right now for the iPhone/iPad are pretty impressive. Call of Duty Warzone Mobile is awesome, actually -- pretty much no lame cheaters playing and the graphics are really rather good. If you're playing on something like the iPhone 15 Pro Max (which I just got not that long ago), I would say that it stands up there with most consoles and handheld gaming devices, for sure. I'm able to crank it up to maxed out settings on every single option and it still gets a very good FPS.
Mac is not anytime soon going to be the computer for gaming, however, for someone getting a computer primarily for other things who also wants to play some games on their computer, Mac is becoming an increasingly viable option
tbh i have base model m2 mac air and i run pretty much any game on it. cyberpunk not so much but like god of war runs great, gta5 runs great. i played the TR trilogy on it. Crossover just makes it so easy but it is a challenge making the games work right now compared to the optimisation windows has for gaming
CrossOver on Mac has far more games than Prism Snapdragon Windows. And even the 4 year old M1 will play those games better in most cases, because the highest end X “Elite” still has a poor gpu.
Last game I played on a Macbook, was EVE Online and World of Warcraft. I think I burned away most of my leg hair for a good decade attempting it. ~20 years ago... it's taken this long to get VR, let alone 3D. I spent a lot of time in Unity 3.x as well, it was 'not fun' to get OSX to game. IDK. They had the option, and dropped the ball so many, many times.
What the hell was the point of this video? Feels like the guy on the left pitched it as an idea to be something positive and the guy on the right just turned it into a reason to whine - so I got nothing from this?
Once gaming is good on a Mac, I'm getting out of windows. Really tired of the BS that windows keeps putting in their software and I prefer MacOS, but I can't give up my gaming system yet.
I remember Marathon. A friends dad ran the Mac lab at a local college and we'd get a bunch of us together to play on the Quadra's they had. Fun times. Apparently Bungie is remaking it.
@@Collin_J Is that a bad, or good thing? I can see Bungie coming full circle on Mac gaming (if it ever becomes a thing again; ‘Pathways Into the Darkness’ as another example), but I’m unclesr(?)
@@blodyholy_ I'm unsure. When I heard it was coming back I was hoping it would be in the same vein as DOOM. They are at their best IMO when crafting single player and co-op PvE experiences. Extraction shooters seem to be boom or bust depending on how big of a player base the game attracts. I'm nervous that Sony might push them to do weird stuff if the game doesn't take off immediately
No, you cant play x64 games in ARM windows, even if it’s windows…(correct me if I’m wrong) They need to be ported or emulated just like in mac like any other software designed for x64. Windows pushing ARM could benefit massively Apple devices in gaming. Also, there’s no way a less powerful device like SWITCH has an amazing gaming library but “M1 is not powerful enough”. It obviously can game but the developers and the gaming store/ecosystem is not there… Apple needs to create a a gaming ecosystem just like steam and focus more on games like: Hades, Hollow Knight, cult of the lamb type of games instead of AAA games because that type of consumer already has a Windows or a console… I’m sure M-series could easily play Persona or Hi-fi rush type of games, but they instead push games like Assasin creed…. Do these games even have a fanbase?
I've been playing (Steam) Windows version of the three Metro games on highest settings on base M2 Mac Mini I use Whisky app and also run Game Porting Tool Kit 2.0 beta holds 60fps no problem looks great on 4K TV
I've been hyping up AMD's 8000/9000 series for portable gaming for months now. Such capability in the palm of your hand! Was really nice to see it listed here. :)
Hey guys, just asking for the apple community, I have a MacBook Pro and wanted to game on it, does anyone know what I can do to play steam, Xbox, or PS games? P.S. this is barely my first apple product
Sorry but Snapdragon GPU suck. All the new SD Elite Windows PCs GPU benchmarks are no better than Intel Iris. Mac silicon GPU is more on par with a discrete card. My M3 Max 40 core GPU runs games around the same as my old RTX 3060. But instead of the battery dying on the PC in 50min my macbook runs for 5 hours. And with the M4 and M5 on the way there is no chance for SD laptops to even come close The Mac Air entry level M5 will probably be on par with the M3 Max 40 core in two years. Apple is killing it with the M series processors.
This is just like a roundabout discussion lol. It just depends on the user's emphasis and how important is gaming to them. M chip silicons prob has the best power to battery efficiency ratio out of all of them. Not power like actual and overall gaming performance but in other areas as well like editing and rendering. On a pure gaming performance standpoint they would still likely be the worst out of all the 4, but that doesn't mean playing games on them would outright suck. Windows with the Snapdragons prob is like the best of both worlds since Windows work well with the game devs blah blah, AMD chips will perform better than those 2 on gaming but of course, battery life will take a hit but not THAT bad especially if you opt out for their HS processors, best of the best performance you could ever churn out would from Intel's HX processors but that ultimately would take ur battery life out of the water in laptops.
Linux having 1 click toggle for WINE in Steam: "NOooooooooo that's too hard" Mac requiring you to use a terminal to install a custom fork of WINE with a separate GUI needing to be installed for it to work: "It's so easy anyone can do it!"
@@WololoWololo2 Mac is even less likely to work, every fork of WINE on Mac is incompatible with EAC and Battleye which some games use AS A LAUNCH DEPENDENCY
Yes they can. It is on Steam. The M series Macs cannot, because the developer won't add in support. Meanwhile, you have games with more demanding graphics and environments working flawlessly on M series Macs. No Man's Sky, Death Stranding, Stray, Resident Evil Village, Baldur's Gate 3, There are others.
@@victoresarey4036maybe because the hardware is garbage? M-series chips would fly through it if only the dev added support… THIS is the problem with Mac gaming
It won't work. AAA titles are usually much more demanding than typical MacBook Air or iPhone configurations. They may advertise it like any mac will run any game, but no. ARM SOCs like M1 or XElite just not graphically powerful enough to run hidpi AAA games. Some game studios even fail to get their product to run on 4090 flawlessly and we are talking about snapdragon and M1? Also, gaming is usually a dedication. Meaning, people invest in their gaming setups and would like to get as much as possible. Nobody tries to game on something in a format of macbook air, no matter if it is a mac or windows laptop, except maybe from very small amount of casual lovers. So, 1) mac will not become a top-notch gaming platform, despite receiving some titles. 2) iPhone will remain mostly mobile-casual gaming device, despite receiving some titles. 3) Majority of AAA titles will not officially be released for mac, despite an ability to "port" them unofficially. 4) Looking at what Valve is doing, I rather believe Linux to become more popular for gaming than Mac in a few years (It is already more popular on steam, and it will not be changed)
You are aware that Mac apps can be downloaded from the Internet or from Steam or literally from anywhere else, like on Windows, and avoid paying Apple 30%?
i really like how you guys argued for and against gaming on a mac. its refreshing to hear both perspectives, pros and cons, instead of "its amazing!" or "its the worst!"
I disagree, but I guess it depends. Fortnite gets ~90 fps when cool and ~60 when it’s hot. Minecraft runs at about ~100 fps consistently. GeoFS runs at ~70 fps. All medium-high settings. Haven’t tried anything else.
Dude tons of windows laptops from 2022-2021 now are a cheap and will destroy the M1 and M2 Pro. Gaming is more GpU dependant and lots of windows laptop are far better
If the laptop does not come with a fan do not bother playing games or doing anything remotely demanding on it. Even geometry dash can heat up a windows system. My sister's 8gb ram M2 air starts boiling just running Roblox.
Mac gaming is cool but Windows is just too far ahead in game development and hardware choice. Its almost impossible to compete with Windows when it comes to gaming.
Developers ARE buying in now, despite what Austin was saying. Especially with the current M series chips. I currently mostly game on my Mac and just switch over to my PC for the few games that can't run on Whiskey. Also there is no way gaming on a Mac will come from the iPhone. PC games do not work well with touch controls. I don't care, nor do I want these games on iPhone. But through Steam if they work on Mac they are just there.
My biggest question right now is if I should upgrade my 2017 27" 5K imac to the 2020 27" 5K one - as its the last model with Intel Chip for gaming. Anyone here with that upgrade done? To compare I bought my 2017 one with the AMD 580 with 8gb graphics card, and wonder if the 5500TX 8GB card in the 2020 model I saw for sale in my town would be much of an upgrade. How does the 5500TX compare? How does the 5700?
As someone who uses Linux Batocera to play retro games and games with Steam link, Geforce now, and Linux GOG games, and who has an S21 Ultra as their PC: ...Mac and Windows kinda overrated... (yes, AND I watch TokuSHOUTsu. I am literally anti conformist and proud of it)
Personally I’ve always wanted a gaming PC but received a free 2024 Mac and tried to game on it and it’s horrible 😭low demanding / sorta medium it runs good but I’m reselling my mac for $900 and buying pc after trying to game on it💀 why struggle when you can have something with 3-5x more frames and it cost less
I've played a couple of native mac games like No Man's Sky, Baldur's Gate 3 and Minecraft on my 16 inch M1 Max MBP and have found performance to be pretty inconsistent a lot of the time. So my impression of Mac gaming, even with native apps, hasn't been great so far
I have an M1 macbook air for work (compiling for ios/macosx) and I hate every minute of using it. BUT, a) indeed it's a beast for the money , b) surprisingly easy to game on it (steam) when needed (vacations, business trips). Of all the apple products I hate, macbooks get a borderline pass.
As a PC gamer and user I have been wanting to switch to Apple for various reasons for my benefit, I really wish this Apple gap would close for the gaming.. the devices are fully capable these days to game, I hope it happens sooner then later because I am switching over to Apple.
Gaming on MAC, sort of okay but market share kills MAC for that. Concept of gaming on iphone other than simple games, no. Why would I want to game on iphone or for that matter ipad when I can do it cheaper and better on a windows pc?
I have a ps5 so I don’t care much about running modern titles on MacBook but retro gaming is awesome on Mac, I’ve been enjoying ps2 and ps3 games on emulators and they run flawlessly.
Ive been a longtime macbook user but recently built a windows gaming pc, i was surprised to see several of my steam games showing up in my m1 macbook steam library. They ran and looked a lot better than I though would be possible on an m1. So while you can game on m1 mac, the selection of games is limited.
