This was absolutely great. My worm gear wouldn't move but thx to the video, I could "see" inside the worm and gear assembly. I flooded it with lube before I tried again. It worked.
Thanks for the information! You are the first to show the dials like I have. was beginning to think mine was a one off. Now I can NOT injure myself while I reattach the cable my kids popped off the drum. Thanks again
Thanks for the informative video. Unfortunately Wayne Dalton will no longer provide homeowners with any replacement parts. I was able to still get the parts online through a supplier. With the help of your video and a couple others I was able to swap the springs on my torquemaster with no issue and the garage door is working better than ever
Jim - Thank you for this video. There are always hidden trouble spots in these types of jobs. Your detailed walk-through helped me avoid most of them. I converted from the Torquemaster (installed in 2001) to the Torquemaster Plus, and I still found this helpful even though you stuck with the Torquemaster. I expected it to be a full-day job. As it was, it took less than 2 hours. Thank you!
Thank you for this!! I agree that it's easier to pay a pro to do it, but unfortunately, the only place around me that services doors decided to lie to me and say that no one makes cables for this system, anymore, and all they could do was convert the system for the low low price of $990. Eff that!!
Extremely helpful in understanding how the springs work. Thanks for the detailed video. I'm pretty sure mine are broken......there was a loud noise we heard from inside the house. I walked out to a garage door that wouldn't open with lose dangling wires on each side. I assume that when the dials are set to "0", I can be CERTAIN the springs tension will be GONE, or mostly gone to where I don't get knocked to the ground??? LOL.....
Cool man! great job on this explanation... I'm a sucker for punishment , so, I'm off to the races! I'm going to raise my door, so all this information is definitely gonna come useful. I installed my door when new and it's been flawless, and it never hurts to review the process. However, I can count on Murphy's law when I set out to raise it.
That is a cool looking system. I still prefer a conventional torsion system because you can oversize the springs and multiply your spring life. Good choice on silicone grease. Petroleum based grease can damage plastic. I would still balance the door even with an opener. They can generate a lot of force, but they aren't designed to. That plastic gear can wear out pretty fast if you overload it. It sounds to me like the "people that do it all the time", don't have a special hub to install that cone, they just "upgrade" to the new style that you can just put a crescent wrench on. ;)
Checked company's in Canada for replacing the springs. $125. For a person to come out and check that the door won't open. Make sure the wheels are lubricated and there's nothing wrong with the opener. Finally yes a spring is probably broken. $480. for new springs and $450. to install them. Replaced them myself, springs were $360. Canadian with shipping.
I just called my local wayne dalton. They tried to tell me they would have to convert my system for $1,000. Just checked their site, all the parts I need are in stock.
No No No. I was quoted $800 to $1000. I bought the springs myself. The total cost delivered was $160. I did it myself. Was easy for me. Do it yourself or find a handy neighbor.
I have a small eight foot wide storage space with this torque master one system. There is no opener on it. The door goes up easily, but comes down very fast and will not stay up. Will tightening the spring do anything to keep the door up?
Jim, this was very helpful because I have the older system as well. The manufacture fails to tell you that you need new brackets for the upgraded hub. I also thought they were going backwards with the engineering of the new dial indicator or lack of it. Good point about taking out the cable slack and adjuting it. I will have to go back and do that. What cable measurements did you use? Thanks
If my weight is 105lb can I get by with the single spring replacement between 90-99lbs? Or is it better to get the double spring weighted from 110-119lbs?
Hi, the cable just came loose. I heard loud noise from inside the house. Do you think the spring inside broke? My garage door is still working fine and it's one car garage by the way. Do you think I need to fix this? How important is this cable? Thank you!
I'm not a professional, but based on your limited description, most likely the spring broke. You said the cable came loose, which I assume means the cable is not broken or come loose from the lower connection point, just loose (i.e. no tension). If the spring breaks it will rapidly unwind inside the tube and make a load noise. Since this is a single door it is likely a single spring system, so when the spring breaks the cable will become loose on the side with the dial tensioner (right side when standing inside the garage). Your garage door will still go up and down, but will take much more force to lift, and will want to slam down. You say your garage door is still working fine, so I'll assume that you have an electric garage door opener. If so the garage door opener will typically continue to work, but will be working a lot harder and it will wear out much faster with no spring assist. The problem needs to be repaired.
Only problem is you'll never get anyone to come to your place to do the work! I've tried and had 6 people NOT show up to do the work on either of my doors. So, here we are.
The torque master has been proven to be the worst and cheapest torsion system ever made in the industry garranteed to break within a year and is sold so high... don't buy it continue using the original torsion spring system double or single...the plastic drums break too so easily in cold weather and 99% of garage door companies don't recommend anything wayne Dalton
how do you know if the spring is broken. my garage door cable came off and my renter tried to fix it by taking off the cable on the other side to keep it from becoming crooked. I dont know why he did that so both cables are off now and im trying to fix this.
Well, I don't know anything about this system, but I see two options. 1) take it apart and look(after you make sure you can safely do it) or 2) find the wind up instructions, set the springs to zero, then wind them to the appropriate setting and see if the door is balanced properly. If the door is heavy, the spring is broke.
I don't think most DIYers purpose is to save $$$, rather it's fun to get hands dirty and little bit money save to impress the wife he can get job done.
Just a professionals opinion but the door seemed pretty dead at 16 may want to put a half wind on each side, dont rely on your opener to make up that difference. Each panel should be able to rest on the radius without dropping or opening.
@@jimdandy6472 ....it's $275 total ...one or two spring combo....just did one today on a 130# door...single spring ....nice smooth operation and I got a $20 tip..the problem I have with TM is the springs are concealed...on two spring system ,one can fail and if the op force setting are wrong ..then the door may still operate causing excessive wear to helical gear , then if the other one breaks, well ,I've seen WD doors folded on top section leading to door replacement ... btw ...this is a nice ,very informative video
@@jimdandy6472 you said you were no expert but you want to argue with an expert who is speaking truth? Wayne Dalton TM doors are junk, you go on and on about the springs being contained, like that is some kind of super duper safety item the avg life of a WD TM is about 6 years if your lucky give me a torsion spring conversion any day! only been working on doors for 38 years, I think I may know a thing or two.... if your not an expert, maybe you should stick to changing light bulbs and patching drywall, and leave the doors to professionals before you get someone hurt , just a thought.
@@thedr309 Sounds like a struck a nerve? I guess some installers don't like it when people make videos on how to do it yourself? I wanted to make in clear in the video that I was not an expert, and that working with strong springs can be dangerous and should only be done by someone familiar with them. I had a contractor at work get seriously injured by a torsion spring on a garage door and had to fill out the accident report, thus my attraction to a system where the springs are completely enclosed, and the winding system has no exposure to the springs (i.e. your not using two bars and a lock bolt to adjust spring tension). I think that's a good feature/selling point with the Wayne Dalton system. I don't remember arguing with you about which system is better, there are always Pro's and Con's, and cost considerations. If you already have the Wayne Dalton system and just need a new spring or two, why spend several hundred converting it to a torsion spring system? Maybe another 6 years is all you need. I checked your channel and noticed that as an expert, with 38 years of experience, who knows the "truth" you don't have any videos showing DIY'ers how to do things and save a buck. Maybe you should sick to selling people conversions for $600 to $1000 and retire soon. You should look at the nice comment from a professional installer below who gave me some valuable advice about needing a bit more spring tension on my Wayne Dalton door, nice guy.
Damn thing sounds like a 12ga shotgun when it lets go. Scared the piss out of my ex wife while we were together and the left side one gave up the ghost. I am NOT a fan of this overcomplicated unreliable system.
@@bm-rf4bc Blew two months after I bought the house, had been professionally installed 18 months prior, so less than two years of service. Slightly less than my tolerance of her. The simple coil springs on my shop door are finally due to be replaced for the sake of preventative maintenance, 20 years after installation, with no problems.
