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Garage Over a Full Basement Design in Bozeman, MT 

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In this program I summarize my design build process for a garage over a full basement.
The Design
This garage over a full basement design came about because of challenging site conditions. Building a three car garage on a steep slope with a standard slab and stem wall foundation would have required over 200 cubic yards of compacted fill. This option would have required trucking in fill and was cost prohibitive. In addition the down slope perimeter foundation frost walls would have been in excess of 14’ tall. This was not an efficient use of time and resources’ so I considered other options. As the alternative I decided to take the same area that would have been filled with compacted fill and create a full 900 sq. ft. walkout basement below the three car parking slab.
Structure
The big questions were how to support the weight of that suspended parking slab, as well as how to get it formed. For this garage over a full basement design I did my research and decided on pouring a slab over a combination of engineered structural I beams and steel pan decking. These interlocking steel pans are a permanent stay in place form that we pour the slab on. The ribbed profile of these steel pans interlock with the concrete and provide an additional level of positive reinforcement.
Engineering
Once I finished the overall design and my working drawings, I hired a local engineering company to check my structural plan, size the steel beams, spec the pan thickness, and calculate the size and layout of the steel rebar. I also retained the engineers as special inspectors to verify and document the execution of the engineering details for this garage over a full basement project.
Upper parking slab drainage
Garage slabs require slope for drainage. Thickening the back end of the slab to get a slope was not an option. To get the needed slope we nested the steel pan decking into a sloped ledge that had been formed into the perimeter of the exterior walls. This allowed for a consistent slab thickness front to back and provided the needed slope for drainage. The upper slab preparation was extensive. We dropped our steel I beams into place with a boom truck. Our precut steel pans were put down over the supporting I beams, and an extensive matt of steel rebar was layed out per engineering specs. Before we poured I consulted with my plumber and we decided to install pex in the parking slab in case the owners wanted to heat this upper level.
Basement Living Area
This garage over a full basement design called for a small kitchen and a bathroom, which required some under slab plumbing. We also installed pex tubing for a future hydronic heating system. The basement walls were waterproofed and insulated before backfill. The lower level walls of the walkout area and the entire upper garage structure are standard wood frame construction.
The finished product
This project was a combination of structural and esthetic issues that challenged my creativity and problem solving abilities. Creating this garage over a full basement living area was a great experience from both a design and build perspective, and ultimately took my design and build skills to a whole new level. This structure turned out to be a nice compliment to the main house and a valuable asset to the new owners.

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@MNRick041
@MNRick041 2 года назад
I was envisioning building a home with a room under the garage, then the home itself would have a basement but the basement under the garage would be separated from the rest of the basement with a concrete wall with a doorway then I would put in a bookshelf along the wall with a hidden entrance to the room under the garage, sort of like a hidden 2nd basement.
@kellymoses8566
@kellymoses8566 2 года назад
Neat idea.
@tecnolover2642
@tecnolover2642 3 года назад
Seen a lot these around where we're building on sloped lots. We may have to do the same. People use the under garage space for shops and usually add a small garage door with drive out for things like ride on lawn movers etc. Its really just common sense if you have to have over 8' stem walls for your footers to hit native soil. I would go ICF personally.
@danno8852
@danno8852 Год назад
I do concrete forms and am designing my own garage under as we speak so love this shit
@jodauuou1559
@jodauuou1559 2 года назад
Very clever Im renovating a rambler on slope w/ basement and im going to have to do this in order to add a garage to the upper floor
@hhectorlector
@hhectorlector Год назад
what a beautiful place!
@ttfweb1
@ttfweb1 6 лет назад
We have a full-span walkout basement under a double garage. I love it. We made it into a large theater and entertaining space.
@jefferyschulz8257
@jefferyschulz8257 7 лет назад
it would have been cool to do an underground walkway to the house basement
@LightGesture
@LightGesture 2 года назад
Shhh
@sandispicer3309
@sandispicer3309 4 года назад
Great Job, Peter! I actually was googling wall details for a concrete porch over a basement garage and your link was the first one I went to, and I didn't even know it was you! Woot! Love it. This is an awesome project, and your video is great too! -Sandi formerly Adams. :)
@PeterQBrownDesign
@PeterQBrownDesign 2 года назад
I never read these, so I missed your comment. I hope you got my letter.
@crawfordmediacompany1249
@crawfordmediacompany1249 3 года назад
This is a great video thanks for showing the detail. I just purchased a home in NH with a very similar garage using steel beams and steel pan design to support the slab upstairs.
@mathtime4578
@mathtime4578 3 года назад
You can do this with hollow core panels, clear span 30 feet maybe 32. Completely open underneath. Cost would be comparable but considerably faster. We have done a few basements with this added feature and not difficult to do or plan out.
@taemian
@taemian Год назад
Do you mean Spancrete or something similar?
@mathtime4578
@mathtime4578 Год назад
@@taemian im not sure what its called in your area, it's different everywhere i believe. Basically 4 foot wide planks of concrete. They have hollow areas that make beams all the way through them. They have cables tensioned running through them. They work great and I have set alot of them in late 90s early 2000s. Have seen them used on some of our basements since 2005.
@edwardgrossman295
@edwardgrossman295 3 года назад
Excellent I never seen that in a house before
@lukewarme9121
@lukewarme9121 4 года назад
Great concept and excellent video. 👍🏻
@nathanbaker8979
@nathanbaker8979 2 года назад
We have an previously filled in pool in our back yard that I think is the perfect spot for a detached garage. I presume to build on the area we'll need to fully remove the pool. With that much excavation and new backfill I've wondered if simply putting the garage over a basement foundation would make sense and essentially be cost neutral. The slope isn't enough to make the resulting basement a walkout, but I'm sure we can use the space (indoor golf simulator 🙂)
@Polyester_Avalanche
@Polyester_Avalanche 5 лет назад
Damn that's sweet. Well done!
@freddymeischer2219
@freddymeischer2219 5 лет назад
that is a badass build,bro!!!!
@michaelthomas3340
@michaelthomas3340 7 лет назад
Very nice job indeed. That steel pan decking is great. With positive tension rebar set in between the ribs for maximum effective depth, I bet that once the concrete had fully set, that slab would take the weight of the average car, even without the presence of I beams. Obviously they need to be there,or lots of propping etc. plus the stronger the roof the better also to comply with building codes. The cracking /deflection has to be considered as well as the strength, too. it would be interesting if the decking manufacturers did destructive tests to see exactly how much extra tensile strength composite action adds to these slabs before collapsing. I think that the worry is that the steel pan would slip under load and break the essential bond, so composite action could not be relied on, especially with the pans being shiny.I believe that the added strength is usually just considered a bonus and pretty much ignored by structural engineers, composite load bearing wise, unless anyone knows differently. I designed and built an underground bunker 30 years ago, by welding a steel structure with steel ribs around it encased in reinforced concrete. I ignored the strength of the inner steel structure in my calculations and just used it to support the weight of the 2 ft thick heavily reinforced roof and walls until the concrete set.I have never been able to quantify EXACTLY how much extra strength the inner core gives,nor has any other engineer I have chatted to, though it would be a lot. Assuming that the bond remains intact, then the tensile strength of the steel in the ribs would be acting on the greatest possible lever arm as it is not reduced by concrete cover. As the ribs rise then the effective depth would be less, though. It would be nice if a steel pan manufacturer had the confidence to park say, an 8 ton digger on such a steel pan roof design as you have used. Personally I am certain it would hold up fine, but i'm not advising anyone to actually try it ! I don't know if any manufacturer ever has done such a composite concrete test. Anyone interested in my bunker can see it by searching 'Nuclear Bomb Bunker Buried in Back Garden on You Tube. Anyway, kind regards and well done.
@michaelthomas3340
@michaelthomas3340 7 лет назад
Just a note- The qualified structural engineer that did the calculations for 'American Bomb Shelter' also did not appear to be able to work out the composite action of their design, just using the reinforced concrete slab calculation sand stating the embedded I beams to support the wet concrete would make it even stronger. It is obviously possible to calculate the strength of steel & concrete structures as separate items , but when the 2 work together the strength is likely to be greater than the sum of the two. Modern computer modelling could presumably do it, but that said, in practice many structures have actually withstood far more when tested to collapse than the calculations indicated.
@LightGesture
@LightGesture 2 года назад
All of these are tested through rigorous tests. How do you think they do roofing, breezeways, commercial buildings, etc? The real strong east for point load is different than rebar.. there's many directions and dimensions that will determine how and where it will crack or not and what it is for for live load vs dead load in any given spot......
@LightGesture
@LightGesture 2 года назад
@@michaelthomas3340 *Cough* Twin Towers. *cough*
@aww4954
@aww4954 5 лет назад
Thanks Peter for being badass
@Guide504
@Guide504 4 года назад
Cool man interesting innovation
@AmarnathTrivedi
@AmarnathTrivedi 7 лет назад
You did a beautiful job my friend.
@ArcolaBridge
@ArcolaBridge 5 лет назад
I want to remove my garage floor and excavate all the dirt below. Then turn the 21 foot by 21 foot space below where the garage floor used to be into a room. Then turn where the garage is to be into a room. Then lift the garage roof up and put a room above that! 3 equal sized rooms. Downstairs could be a theater room, main level could be second living room or pool table room the top floor could be a similar.
@DoubleA115
@DoubleA115 4 года назад
I am a 3rd way through builing one 5 times the size of this in Halifax, UK with a drive in car park, 20m x 9m ++ and a underground gym with pool at 9m x 15m. I will upload some images + short vidoes etc etc over the next 12 months for those who are interested in 'real houses'. All in Reclaimed 'black faced punch' Yorkshire stone. We'll see how it compares. I NOT knocking this house at all it looks beautiful, but the timber frame would not cut it on the Pennine's.
@super00su
@super00su 3 года назад
This would be great for a bunker.
@RJM1011
@RJM1011 4 года назад
Looks real good thank you for the video.
@DPG_LIVE
@DPG_LIVE 8 лет назад
great job with the garage and the video
@heck2d2
@heck2d2 2 года назад
love it
@thebobsmith1444
@thebobsmith1444 4 года назад
Beautiful. I have the property for this. Would you happen to have cost figures?
@chokedup53
@chokedup53 6 лет назад
cheapest addition possible. model railroaders really want the extra space for our giant basement layouts. the problem is finding a builder who will go off the traditional construction method to build the expanded basement. the results are well worth the extra time and minimal cost adders.
@gwmoon8596
@gwmoon8596 4 года назад
That garage is a great design. I'm in the beginning process of doing something similar to a piece of property I own in NH. are you willing to share some of the specifics including the manufacturers of the corrugated steel you used and the rebar size and placement. Thanks, great video
@LightGesture
@LightGesture 2 года назад
He'd still go over to an architect to have them finalize his idea. This is just design.
@modularbuilders8983
@modularbuilders8983 7 лет назад
It's a beautiful job.
@daltongolubski9604
@daltongolubski9604 10 месяцев назад
Really like adding that extra living space, what was the cost difference between "filling" the garage basement and making a Barnaby
@LightGesture
@LightGesture 2 года назад
I want to do this in my house.
@adamkartzke6854
@adamkartzke6854 5 лет назад
This is great. I’m designing the opposite of this right now. A house built over a garage that’s partially below grade in a hill. How difficult was it to do the beam cradles in the pour in place foundation walls???
@leehilton9932
@leehilton9932 6 лет назад
Very cool. I loved living in Bozeman. Thats great for that area. What kind of cost difference was there?
@humasheikh588
@humasheikh588 5 лет назад
Do you work in Michigan too?
@SarEColorado
@SarEColorado 6 лет назад
May I ask what design program you used? The cross-section near the end was especially interesting. What a great way to convey your vision to customers/clients!
@filippovincenti
@filippovincenti 4 года назад
Probably revit
@ootsam
@ootsam 7 лет назад
Beautiful work. Does the rigid foam used against the concrete retaining walls take the place of a drainage plane material, such as miradrain?
@cholasimmons
@cholasimmons 4 года назад
would bricks have worked the same for the underground part? why did you go for pure concrete?
@gj2395
@gj2395 8 лет назад
Interested in the cost of the build / project??
@markweston7198
@markweston7198 7 лет назад
Did you ever get any info on the cost?
@gj2395
@gj2395 7 лет назад
No, Apparently no-one at this company mans email or tracks their videos
@markweston7198
@markweston7198 7 лет назад
Ok.. thank you
@PeterQBrownDesign
@PeterQBrownDesign 7 лет назад
No exact numbers available anymore, steel pans, beams, welding added extra 10K. Worth it in the end
@maykov1
@maykov1 5 лет назад
@@PeterQBrownDesign This seems reasonable. I'm getting a very preliminary quote of 20k in Bellevue WA
@martinneps9387
@martinneps9387 5 лет назад
Would like to have some information on this
@kiernandeed9685
@kiernandeed9685 5 лет назад
How much did it cost?
@blackbeard8985
@blackbeard8985 4 года назад
Four
@dalewcox
@dalewcox 2 года назад
How do you waterproof the garage such that no leakage occurs into the living area?
@PeterQBrownDesign
@PeterQBrownDesign 2 года назад
the slope and a sealed slap is enough
@w.s.vannostrand8281
@w.s.vannostrand8281 3 года назад
I have been thinking about a similar project. Where are you located, it would be great to discuss.
@PeterQBrownDesign
@PeterQBrownDesign 3 года назад
peter@peterqbrown.com
@Ascending4111
@Ascending4111 6 лет назад
Why is there no perimeter insulation on the parking slab?
@es-qf2gw
@es-qf2gw 4 года назад
Could you have a hoist in this garage???
@dekonfrost7
@dekonfrost7 5 лет назад
Whole new level. Pouring a slab on b deck. Lol rofl
@meUtragic
@meUtragic 4 года назад
What was the cost to do this project?
@priyankapandit6258
@priyankapandit6258 7 лет назад
multi level car parking. construction cost
@excelcsllc
@excelcsllc 5 лет назад
So the cars got the better view?!? Hmmmm????
@richardthomas1566
@richardthomas1566 3 года назад
He will get rid of that eyebrow over the years total pain in the ass moving the second floor wall back 30” . No savings at all and creates all king of flashing issues load bering issues by not stacking it with the wall below. I know it breaks the wall side up but unless your knocking more than 4 ft back it’s just not worth it.
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