Garrosh Did Nothing Wrong 

At least Garrosh died like a true warrior. CC locked without trinket.

When Garrosh says "You left me," it hits deep. The voice actor did such a good job displaying Garrosh's broken heart.

All these years later and he’s still my Warchief.

Seeing how Sylvanas did so much worst than him and yet has infinite plot armor and is blessed by the blizzard storytellers, I came to the conclusion that Garrosh's only true crime was that he had a dick

Thrall says in the Legion Pre-patch that the elements no longer respond to him the same way anymore. Clearly the elements are pissed at thrall too for killing Garrosh against the orc rules too.

Garrosh is kind of like the substitute teacher who is forced to take care of a class with shitty kids and gets fired cuz all the kids in the class said he was a bad teacher

Compared to Sylvanas, he's a saint. I want him back

Thrall: "Spirits, guide me" Spirits: "DON'T kill Garrosh" Thrall: *Kills Garrosh*

People overlook some of the justifications for Theramore. I get how you can say that destroying an entire city is never justified, but you probably had to play both pre- and post-Cataclysm to understand what was happening in the world at that time. In vanilla and the first two expansions, Theramore was a relatively large, well-fortified Alliance city, pretty close to the Horde heartlands and capitol. But despite this, it was a city built on an island just off the edge of a tiny peninsula in a barely habitable swampland with only a narrow, barely-used and decrepit path leading all the way across the whole zone in a roundabout way, surrounded by maneating crocodiles on all sides, into the Barrens. Even for adventurers, getting FROM Theramore TO Horde territory was an adventure in itself. Post-Cataclysm, the Alliance all but ignored that narrow dirt path, because it had built an enormous, paved superhighway STRAIGHT through the center of the swamp, wide enough for armies and siege engines to make a beeline directly into the Barrens. And they did. The Southern Barrens by this point had become a hot warzone, with Alliance and Horde in direct, constant conflict, cities being burned, catapults and ballista trading fire without end. At this point, Theramore represented an actively hostile enemy engaged in open war with the Horde on the Horde's own doorstep, within very short distance of the gates of both Mulgore and Orgrimmar, and they had shown they were intent on expanding and capable of building the infrastructure and armies to do so. Garrosh didn't go north and bomb the night elven homelands or burn Teldrassil to the ground. He didn't raze Stormwind or Ironforge. He took out, in the most effective way possible, the most important military and transportation hub of an enemy he was actively at war with. I say this as someone who has played Alliance since day 1 of release and never leveled a horde character above level 30, outside of a single free boost I used once after preordering an expansion.

Mak'Gora also states that the use of magic, potions or other influencing or enhancing abilities are forbidden. What Thrall did is like pulling a gun on someone in a cage match.

He was the only competent warchief that the "New Horde" had , and now they have a female elf version of the Lich King with infinite plot armor as a leader

What's great is that the Mag'har Orc recruitment questline acknowledges that in most timelines Garrosh Hellscream was a phenomenal leader and in some one of the best Warchiefs the Horde has ever had. This timeline just happens to have gotten one of his worst incarnations. So it is actually 100% officially canon now that, regardless of what you think about the one we got, somewhere out there Garrosh really did do nothing wrong.

Finally, I've been saying this for ages.

i feel like thrall is a bad guy now

After BFA Garrosh actually was the best warchief following Thrall, Sylvanas didnt care about the horde and Voljin did literally nothing while warchief and died to trash mobs...

Thralls reputation before the video: 5000 Thralls reputation after this video: -3000

The April 1st date should imply sarcasm, but you're speaking nothing but truth here.

Honestly I blame Thrall for Garrosh. Yeah, Garrosh was far from a saint, but he admitted that. He knew he couldn't be trusted with power but Thrall thrust it upon him anyway. When Garrosh says "You made me what I am" he's right. Maybe not 100% right, but Thrall definitely had a major hand in it. Garrosh made bad choices, and hell he was a downright monster at times, but that monster would never have been given the chance to hurt people had Thrall not unleashed him. What's truly sad is that Garrosh could have been so much more. He could have been the hero the Horde needed. The Warchief to lead the Horde into a prosperous age. I think Thrall sensed that, but he put too much faith in a young Garrosh. I will always believe Garrosh could have been a great leader, but he was given too much power far too soon and in a time of extreme crisis. All of that culminated in a perfect storm to turn him into what he became.

Just dropping in to say, RIP Garrosh. He died as he lived, For the Horde.

I know this is an April fool's joke but I truly believe Garrosh did nothing wrong.

Bush did Theramore

I expected this video to be some cruel April fools joke. But I'm surprised to find that this is one of the most well put together cases for any story character I've ever seen. You not only pointed out every single counter argument to dismiss them with facts, but also made every single case speak for both sides. Garrosh's ways of dealing with things were just different. And this video really highlights that. Well done.

Funny how this was supposed to be an April fool's joke but a lot of what is said actually makes sense.

Garrosh did what was best for the Horde. Thrall did what was best for the world. That's why they clashed.

industrial revolution, united the fractured orcs in draenor, honor his own race Garrosh is the hero we needed

this video ruined thrall for me

Thrall is no different from Gul’dan. Uses magic in a duel to win by cheating.

We will finish what Garrosh started......

I know this is an april fool , but damn this video has a point

Holy shit, you made me feel bad for the brown orc!

I'm 5 minutes in and now am confused. Everything seems rational on his end, yet it is not portrayed as such. I rather enjoyed skirting past Theramore like it was a minor thing

Blizzards writing.... The most powerful evil of them all.

April fools joke aside, Thrall did use magic during a Mak'gora, which means he cheated, and after cheating, still killed his opponent. By Orcish standards I think that is worse than every thing Garrosh did combined.

even though this is probably a troll, but you legitimately convinced me (but still thrall cheated)

#STILLMYWARCHIEF We dont need the Lich King's puppet to rule us, we need the son of hellscream. All he did he did for the Horde

Garrosh did nothing wrong. But YOU did. He's not pronounced Carn-E, it's CAIRN

Garrosh Hellscream brought democracy to theramore

They broke my heart when garrosh died

Thrall is a lie! he failed to lead the Orcs since the begining, if it wasnt for Rexxar there would be no horde , Rexxar never wanted to stay around thrall he knew thrall was unable to achieve anything but problems so he want back to the "wilds" or more like far away from him.

I agree totally and always said this... this entire story arc represents how "good people" never take responsibility for their actions and blame others... I'll refrain from giving real life examples of this repeated throughout history.

I think Garosh's last line is meant to mirror what Blackmoore said before he died. When Blackmoore was killed by Thrall, he told him that he made him what he was, when Garosh was killed by Thrall, he told him that he made him what he was. Warcraft has a way to create villains who are at the same time both people who had the best intentions and fell to corruption and totally unforgiveable.

Next you should do sargeras isn't a evil.

I'll never forget my first playthrough as a pandaren, when thrall executes his commander for the huge bomb he set off. Garrosh was a good guy, maybe not through his actions, but through his morals.

One of the saddest stories. R.I.P. Garrosh Hellscream :(

I like how people completely fall for this *APRIL FOOLS VIDEO*, even though it specifically says it's pure biased propaganda at the end, cherry picking a few story elements and ignoring everything else, to make a false reality.

This video is SO true. I loved Garrosh in Cataclysm, meanwhile 80% of everyone else seemed to just talk shit about him. Everything painted him as a terrible Orc, when he was doing only what he knew! Doing what he had to do to supply his people.

Even as an Alliance player, I think Garrosh was probably the best WoW warchief the Horde had. He's somebody you can respect for his strength, both martially and in conviction. I have fond memories of him, looking back.

This video convinced me of some of my reservations I had about Thrall. Thrall was never a true Orc in terms of both his idea and understanding of Orc society, and absolutely rejected the true meaning of what it meant to be an Orc in Azeroth. I always found his idealization of Ogrim Doomhammer to be at odds with his personality. Doomhammer was a bloodthirsty monster who had no problems killing other Orcs who disobeyed him, abandoning Zul'Jin and the trolls, enslaving Ogres to fight for him, and using black magic to conquer and genocide other races. Thrall believed him to be this noble Orc worth naming a city after and derive authority from, creating a false image of Doomhammer in his mind and Orc society full of wise, noble leaders who were merely tricked by demons. When he places Garrosh in charge of the Horde, a pure uncorrupted Orc, his rule is similar to that of Blackhand's and closer to Doomhammer than Thrall would ever be. Thrall is unable to cope with the idea that the Orcish people were more like Garrosh than himself, and the fake image he had of Orc society. The harsh reality of this caused Thrall to want to murder Garrosh, a representation of what he was told Orcs were like but refused to believe.

Garrosh is like Vegeta, people think bad of him but he gets shit done

But that final fight wasn't a proper duel!!!!

7 years later and this man was absolutely COOKING with this April fools video.

Ok let’s be real, I’m not sure if this was actually intended as an April fools joke years later.

While I totally agree with this, to be fair about the whole fight between Thrall and Garrosh at the end. Thrall was probably only wearing armor cuz Blizzard was lazy and didnt feel like making another model for Thrall.

The killing of Garrosh, a true Orc, was the end of my playing of World of Warcraft. RIP my Warchief.

disliked purely for the fact you said "carny" instead of cairne

5 years later and I can’t disagree with this. Part of me knew after Thrall had basically stopped Garrosh from doing everything he was trying to do or suggested pre-war chief that even Garrosh knew he would do things differently than Thrall. Thrall projected his hopes on what Garrosh could be and when Thrall was wrong was so ashamed that he couldn’t even come to terms with the fact that he should have known. Hope in someone an honorable thing, but at the same time misplaced hope is dangerous.

"You will serve the Horde or be crushed beneath it!" Hail Warchief!

Shit you´re right

Hey you folks remember that dude named CARNIE?

Garrosh was what a Warchief should be, a shame he's gone.

Damn, actually kinda makes me feel bad for Garrosh..

i always questioned this because alot of things garrosh did wasn't bad even though people were saying it was like the whole killing of carine thing and the attacking of ashen vale.now i think the only time he lost his way was during pandaria, but by the end of it he regained his sanity. hell when he went to the alternate time line he saved the orcs. i believe garrosh coulda been a great leader if the light wasn't shining on the negative of his actions. i wish things coulda gone differently rather than him dying i was expecting some sort of big redemption and him possibly dying during the legion invasion, that woulda been amazing

"thrall wants to take off and become Jesus" - i literally fell off the chair :D

Watching this on its anniversary. Sure it was an April Fools joke, but there were some very valid points.

He didn' do noffin! He wuz a good boy! #OrcLivesMatter

Fucking Carnie, am I right?

It's like watching The greatest story never told.

ooooohhhh!!!! myyy.. I was seeing it all wrong :(, that cinematic when Thrall kills Garrosh I was so happy when I first saw it, now I almost cried =( ... whhhyyyy????

This makes me angry. Instead of making a complicated story, they just make Garrosh look like the asshole with weak dialog and an angry tone. They could have enhanced the dialog from Garrosh, make people think, make an educated decision, bring out the flawed character in Thrall. I feel betrayed almost. I loved Garrosh, but now I respect him even more. I almost know his pain being neglected for doing the right thing.

garrosh was always right, I wish I could fight in his army

April fools video that actually has facts

"You chose your own destiny." - Guy that literally chose Garrosh's destiny for him, taking him from where he was, whitewashing his head with absolute ultimate reckless pride, watching the time-bomb beside him day after day, and still putting on his shoulders the biggest responsibility any Horde member can have, instead of choosing Caerne, Vol'Jin, Saurfang, Eitrigg or any other highly capable leader.

Horde, with a capital H. I did like Garrosh honestly. I came to realize that Blizz basically twists and changes lore just to make the plot stick. Sad but it's easier that way I guess.

Even if this is April Fools, this really changed my view on Garrosh as a whole and on Thrall. This kind of slapped sense into me to remember that Thrall isn't entirely good and Garrosh isn't entirely bad. To be honest, Garrosh did a lot of bad things, but they all happened BECAUSE someone else started that path. Rushed thinking lead Garrosh to killing the Tauren leader, thus causing the trolls to hate him. Sylvanus is doing some messed up stuff and Garrosh sees that and says it's bad. Sylvanus thus hates him. All the major Horde leaders hate Garrosh for misguided or selfish reasons. Thrall returns and sees Garrosh's shitstorm and then kills him. Great.

I come back to this video every couple of weeks. Idk why, but it brings back memories of a different time in this great game. Letting Thrall kill Garrosh was a massive mistake that I still regret them making. Garrosh made MANY mistakes but looking back he wasn’t responsible for it all.

I only hated him when he took the old god power but yea it sounds like he was pushed in a corner, man blizzard just wanted to shit on the horde from day one

That Nagrand Cut scene is still the best one of WoD hands down.

He was a better warchief than Thrall.

Garrosh was one of THE best characters in wow. I reckon he'll be back

You posted this one April Fools, but... It's April Facts.

it's pronounced CARE-n(Cairne)

Garrosh is still my Warchief!!

"I did what you asked me to, Thrall, why are you hitting me?"

Gods damn it, now I feel bad for Garrosh D:

Now I feel bad for Garrosh now

If anyone here ever read the novels... you would know that is very accurate. Garrosh was old school horde and led as such. He was a great Warchief but Blizz kind of butchered the storyline and ended up having him killed off. #ForGarrosh!

You can say this was an April fool's joke, but most of it was the truth, lol.

Hiru i legitimately got chills near the end! Good video dude.

Garrosh was a honorable character untill MoP when blizzard made Garrosh a bad guy because the players hate him (Because he's Brown?) resulting a content drought known as 5.4 and WoD. So i want thank the community for giving us this bullshit.

Is he entirely to blame? No Does he still have control over his own actions? Fuck yeah.

Wow, Garrosh Hellscream was a really great guy, his leadership of the Horde was superb. No significant blemishes.

AH man, why you got to make me cry the day before release?

Im sorry but... You pronounce Cairne as Kar-nay? Like... dude... what the hell... is this the real joke of April Fools?

You made me really question whole story we've been told and made me feel kinda sorry for Garrosh. Great Job!

Next villains corner- Thrall

Greatest Story Never Told: WoW Edition?

Thrall completely fucked up by killing Garrosh, it wasn't his place to execute him mercilessly. Honestly what should have happened at the end of Nagrand is Thrall should have fought Garrosh not to the death but to capture him and bring him back to serve his sentence in Azeroth. And think about it, with everything that happened in the legendary ring questline and patch 6.2, Blizzard missed a perfect chance for a redemption story for him. Let's say that at the end of the Mak'gora, Thrall captures Garrosh and maybe gets Khadgar to put him in an arcane prison so that he can't escape, however Gorehowl went missing after Garrosh threw it at Thrall (or they all just forgot about it). We do the legendary questline and get to the cinematic where we find out Gul'dan obtained it and brought it to Grom to show that his son failed and then Kilrogg and his forces drink the demon blood while Gul'dan has Grom restricted from moving with his fel magic. Then 6.2 arrives and Gul'dan sets up HFC (which keep in mind that Garrosh was behind its construction in this timeline). At this point, Garrosh learns that his people succumbed to the blood curse like they did in the original timeline, the very thing that Garrosh was trying to prevent in alternate Draenor. He then gives us vital information about HFC like its layout and weak spots in the structure which prepares us better and then we begin our assault there. Or maybe he escapes to try and stop Gul'dan and save his people on his own, either possibility could work. Now here's the part where it could have gotten interesting. We go into HFC, kick a bunch of demon and fel orc ass and release Grom from Fel Lord Zakuun's prison where Grom tells us to leave him. We beat the next two bosses and then Gul'dan pulls out his master plan by summoning Archimonde. We engage Archimonde and get help from Yrel, Grom and Khadgar. However towards the end of the fight, Archimonde does something like cast a spell that will one-shot us and we're totally fucked at this point. Then out of nowhere, Garrosh jumps in with Gorehowl and makes the final strike to kill Archimonde (or at least a strike that makes him weak enough for us to finish him off), but in the process he gets blasted by that spell and dies. Not only does he redeem himself by this action, but he literally does the same thing that his father did in our original timeline that gave TBC Garrosh confidence and pride: he sacrifices himself to save his people. A good ole' fashioned "like father like son" ending. Oh and this would also make the final cutscene of WoD less awkward with Grom acting like our buddy because in my version, he'd feel honored and inspired about his son's act of selflessness so that he'd vow to never wage war and genocide against the innocent again. God I swear I should become the story writer for Blizzard, I'd be sure to make their lore less hamfisted than how they've went about it.

I'm just mad that Thrall cheated.

Oh, how I long for the days when Garrosh was Warchief and Sylvanas wasn't the main character

Holy shit! This video is really good! :) Always loved Garrosh