I really enjoyed this conversation with Garry. Here's the outline: 0:00 - Introduction 1:33 - Love of winning and hatred of losing 4:54 - Psychological elements 9:03 - Favorite games 16:48 - Magnus Carlsen 23:06 - IBM Deep Blue 37:39 - Morality 38:59 - Autonomous vehicles 42:03 - Fall of the Soviet Union 45:50 - Putin 52:25 - Life
If a human evolves to understand everything about our existence, scientifically and emotionally, then he/she knows how to play the game (power vs survival), without letting their emotions take control. One's past memories can manipulate one's present thinking, that affects one's ability to focus on a particular task(s). I think, when a machine is capable of expressing emotions, it could be the downfall of the human race. Because we as humans, tend to use our emotions as a tool for seduction (control) and/or isolation (superiority). An open mind, in my opinion, is one that keeps emotions from being created for personal gains. Collective intelligence, is the key to progress. That, to me, is the definition of winning the game of life...
@@tunestar I remember he said AlphaZero comes from the game's most principal rules without any restrictions, just like himself. He doesn't want to comment himself.
Dude, can we just like trade places? I live in a litter strewn flat in the south of the UK, basically with a smartphone for company. Lots of interesting crap on the floor, if you can engage with such stuff.. Appealsaballs?
@DM Blackgvard Hesitation and "Fear of Mistakes" are certainly not the same thing. A fear of mistakes is almost certainly a mistake, but hesitation may certainly be a winning move imho. Maybe not in chess.. I'm not a chess player ;)
What a vapid thing to say. One of those things that seem smart at first glance, but when you begin to even scratch the surface it disintegrates into a cloud of utter meaninglessness. And I'm pretty sure Kasparov would agree.
"The match in 1997 wasn't the first match I lost against a computer, it was the first match I lost, period." Holy shit, this really highlights just how freaking dominant he was in his career, I mean, just WOW! What a legend!!
@@sudarshangopinathan5904 Sounds like you failed to understand the interview. One can lose to a better player, or lose due to own mistakes. Losing to a better opponent may very well be the first time for him, but not his first loss.
"While it's true that Kasparov is almost as good at playing chess as my iPhone, he is otherwise an idiot," - Elon Musk Couldn't agree more. Stopped liking Kasparov when he started spreading obvious fake news about WikiLeaks around 2016.
He is a very open guy. Enjoys many things and he is a very social dude, he is also a great speaker. Current chess players are great in playing chess, but are extremelly boring to listen to.
Yeah, it was genuinely (and surprisingly) awe-inspiring to hear him say Dota. One of my idols in Chess recognising this other related but distant topic that I am also really involved in
@ladiesman217 # How do you know it's not? There is a finite amount of it. There are rules (physics) that define its boundaries. And that we know of, we can't transfer mass or energy from our universe, to someplace out of it. Just because it's a complex system with huge amount of variables, doesn't mean it's not closed.
@@santishorts I think he's making a semantic distinction between "universe" and "multiverse", first off; the |idea of a "multiververse"|, itself, being a derivative which is implicit of a fundamentally quantum mechanical conception of |the question of|: "what 'is' is", second off.
Lex you are killing ittt!!!, the calibre of the guests alone is enough to keep bringing me back but more so, you successfuly get most of your guests to a very honest and comfortable position to speak from which allows for these brilliant, natural convos. Thanks for the great content
It’s heartbreaking that a man of such great caliber and accomplishment is today living away from his mother just because of the influence he carries and the political stance he holds
There were quite a few gems in this conversation (eg. we have to switch from the mindset that there is a competition between humans and machines, to the mindset that machines are the best tool for solving closed-system type of problems), but, if I had to choose my favorite one, it would be Gary's message that, in the end, what drives us all is the desire to make a difference. 😊
I love the fact that the whole football conversation started as an example how impossible it's to argue who's the best, and it immediately evolved into an arguement who's the best.
Garry for me is the greatest of all time. He is a true genius. OK he made some mistakes, but not many and don't forget when he lost the second match against Deep blue, he wasn't playing one man or woman, but a team and a machine, who knew all his moves, all his openings, all his middle and end game strategies. Garry was not allowed to see Deep blues matches on the run up to the matches so couldn't study it in the same way, and he did win the first match. I think if Garry was at his peak today, the likes of Carlsen, MVL, Dubov, Nakamura etc... Would struggle to beat him. He was that good.
Further, after the first win, there was one loss and all draws until the last game. The only reason he lost that last game was because he played a bad move to try to force the computer out of its book. If he played his natural game it could've easily been another draw.
I remember seeing that article in the news about deep blue defeating the world chess champion. The article inspired me to pickup a book and to pickup a book on how computers play chess and I learned about the minMax algorithm which is the way Stockfish still uses to calculate chess moves(some modification of it). To me Garry Kasparov was the inspiration for me to go into machine learning and study computer science and it was the first time I developed an interest in chess. Thank you Garry!
Very interesting interview - many thanks Lex- becoming a big fan of you and also Kasparov who I have annotated many games of. I think Kasparov is right about closed vs open systems. With a restricted rule set, computers can generally have the right sort of calculations and end up playing with less mistakes than humans. So the concept of more open systems where there pre-determined algorithms may not be effective is really interesting point made by Kasparov. I am also currently annotating many games on my channel of the open-source successor of Alpha-zero - the Leela lc0 project. Maybe you have heard of it. lc0 recently won the prestigious TCEC computer chess event - beating Stockfish by a big margin. The games are pretty fascinating to me. The neural network approach to chess seems to create a very different style of play, and it seems quite interesting new middlegame concept themes have been emerging such as "thorn pawns". It seems Leela (lc0) is playing a very positional long term strategy compared to more traditional AB engines. Currently this division in the chessworld between the traditional AB engines and Neural Networks is really spicing up the engine chess tournaments. Cheers, K
Lex , all I got to say is thank you. Really respect what you do and its adding tremendous value to humanity, when alone on that run in the morning with the pleasant breeze thinking about life I want to you to know that you are playing the great part in evolution of so many people by elevating their thought process.
I like the fact that Lex Fridman clearly preps a lot of notes and wants to pursue specific points in a podcast interview. The free-form thing can be good too but I gotta say it is good to see a slightly more structured approach too.
This interview was awesome. Gary Kasparov is so smart and the answers shows that ... Thanks Lex for inviting him and creating another very different and very good interview job!
I am incredibly impressed with this channel and the guests you have been able to get. I was so excited to see you got the legend Garry Kasparov on here! Well done.
Lex, you are one of the most clever sience enterviewer I've ever seen untill now. With your questions, always really streight to the point, you really hit the core argumernt. always.. well done ++
I learned more about AI from this interview than listening to any of the so-called experts. I am amazed at his brilliance on a variety of topics. Thank you Lex. Have him back again real soon. I want to know if he is an atheist or an agnostic.
How in the world did you get Garry Kasparov on the show? Could you please share the backstory of what strings you pulled there? That alone is an outstanding accomplishment.
"While it's true that Kasparov is almost as good at playing chess as my iPhone, he is otherwise an idiot," - Elon Musk And I couldn't agree more. Stopped liking Kasparov when he started spreading obvious fake news about WikiLeaks around 2016.
one thing that makes the difference in leaders such as Kasparov is their strong determination and focus on keep it until reaching their goals, that's a characteristic of good project managers as well
In our pasts, we were different people. If you were to bring the past self and the present self together and have them look each other in the eyes, tell each other what they're doing right and wrong, then continue their individual journeys to look at how they evolve separately, they will behave quite differently compared to their pasts based upon what they have seen and told. Any encounter towards the past/future self would have a highly reflective effect any one person. If anyone ever asks for an example, you probably don't even need a real life one; just look at Scrooge in A Christmas Carol.
This was totally awesome. !Thanks Lex . There is a you tube video somewhere of Garry playing a chess simul in France . He won all 25 games ! This is classic OG chess content that I always highly recommend, it encompasses the life of a super chess GM back in the day before Queens gambit. Go Garry !
The amount of knowledge and well rounded unique individuals lex has on his podcast brings so much wealth to the podcast industry. He is in my top 3 Thanks Lex
Thank you. Kasparov is not only smart but a wise person. What a delightful interview. My best part was when you went “wow” upon learning that Kasparov’s loss to Deep Blue was also his first loss. I just read some of the comments and I can see how rich the content of this podcast is; just about anything Kasparov is saying one needs to commit to memory.
@@YankeeDoodleDandy I thought the same thing, before I saw your comment as well. I don't know a lot about this guy but I'm assuming he learned English from the Brits, if he didn't speak if growing up.
jcims Below-average political systems attract below-average politicians. The optimal case is to create a system such that a political structure would attract highly intellectual people, making them locally average. But that would not happen, because most of the current structure is based on endless lies and manipulation.
jcims Below-average political systems attract below-average politicians. The optimal case is to create a system such that a political structure would attract highly intellectual people, making them locally average. But that would not happen, because most of the current structure is based on endless lies and manipulation.
@@sashazxtt lol hoax? This has to be the dumbest conservative talking point. Bro there is so much direct, tangible evidence that arguing with anyone that says otherwise is a complete waste of time because they're most likely just assholes.
@@tima7756 There's none. Trump has done so much to piss off Russia. Hes occupying parts of Syria. He has plotted multiple coups in Venezuala and Bolivia. He assassinated Suleimani. None of these things would happen if he was a Putin puppet.
I noticed Garry pronounces the phrase “you know” with a British English accent, I don’t know why but I find this super funny everytime I hear it once I noticed 😂
Well, this was wonderfull. My first chess book was of Gasparov and it was lovely to me. He is a live legend do the chess world. Thank you all for this great podcast!
Thank you for turning me on to Chess. I am a beginner but I can feel my brain working. Its an amazing feeling. I’ll leave it at that for Chess. The books your podcast is introducing to me is incredible. You are making s difference in a middle aged man’s life.
Mr Friedman this interview in particular is one of the best so far not only for having a humble and graceful genius but also because he gives the free world in a moment of blindness a real an honest answer of what socialism its all about. America needs to hear this keep it up Kasparov you a bigger Champion today God bless you
Garry is a very special guy. Inspirational. Achieving greatness in one domain and then leveraging that greatness to have greater impact in wider society. In this he reminds me of Muhammad Ali who once said "Boxing was just a means to introduce me to the world". So too was chess for Garry. Thank you Lex and Garry!
One additional question I would love to see asked of Garry Kasparov: It is sad to have seen Garry go into "time paralysis" during multiple games in St. Louis over the course of the past few years, and I wonder what he now thinks when watching his own performances of those particular games in "real time" today. Nevertheless, this was an excellent interview, and it's always great to see the Champion of Our Chess Era, Garry Kasparov! Again, this is really a superb interview by Les Fridman. Garry Kasparov is an excellent speaker, and he always gives us a clear presentation of the issues, so I believe that the most important thing here was to both direct him toward revealing something new, and then to let him speak without interruption. And I believe that you succeeded on both fronts! - j q t -
I would make a small adjustment to something Kasparov said: It's not about the rules, it's about hidden information. If a game has hidden information, humans will generally be superior at it to computers. It's why poker bots are garbage.
"Machines will always beat humans in closed systems" - insightful comment by Garry Kasparov. The way he reacts to the question of his loss against deep blue you can see he still hurts from that loss!
Great Interview!! Couldn't really understand what Kasparov said to the Deep Blue issue. "It was not the first time I lost against a machine, it was the first time I lost ???"
I'm sure I could find out with some research but I really don't care but my favorite thing about Lex's podcast is that he doesn't push his political, religious, ect.ect. views. Always just asking questions looking for meaningful answers to the topic of conversation. His thirst for knowledge is what makes this a great podcast. I haven't seen a guest yet that didn't seem to greatly appreciate this and just enjoyed the fact seeking conversation. Keep up the great work sir!
Interesting whether Garry's thinking has changed on what falls under closed or open systems now with the advent of GPT-4 and Midjourney. They should do a other interview 😊
