You got to love the camaraderie. Ref says, “you gotta be holding a grip to go down,” so Tonon extends his hand for Joao to grab and go down legally. Respect for these guys!
@@mvlcmlgmclmgkcmlfm man your life must be great right now. Taking the time to comment on a RU-vid vid of a sport you don’t respect, I wish i had the time for that
A little weird but they couldn't agree on where the position ended and the ref understandably probably didn't know as much back then. This match is over 5 years old now and the knowledge on legs was lower. Garry had a 50/50 heel hook when the reset happened but kept wanting to reset in cross ashi. Miyao kept wanting to rest in 50/50. I don't know if Garry forgot that he had 50/50 or if he purposely was hoping for a cross ashi restart even though that's not what he had when they reset occurred. Great match regardless.
As the referee, I'd like to explain how it was not my lack of understanding that . The FIVE Grappling ruleset for the Super League event requires that action that exits the mat border will be stopped, and that submission positions would NOT be recreated, and would instead be restarted standing in the middle. I can't remember exactly, but either that match or the whole event I agreed to an exception that sub attempts that go out of bounds WOULD BE recreated. But, while I recognized Garry's 50/50 inside heelhook position, he was reluctant to recreate it and appeared to be playing dumb. In addition, I don't think Miyao speaks English so he couldn't articulate easily why he was disagreeing with the setup, and somebody coaching Garry was very vocal about how he should position , so it was chaotic. Without the ability to recreate the position fairly for both competitors, I indicated they should stand up. At that instant, Gary decides to finally move to the 50/50 position I had already suggested, but I had already made the decision to stand them up, so I ignored his attempt after the fact and stood them neutral.
If you remember palhares vs David avallan in adcc restarting heelhook positions seems extremely advantageous to the heelhook attacker as the defender relies on dynamic movement started a second or two ahead of attack to bring slack .. basically Starting static will get the defenders leg broken pretty fast. The defender has to move first if both at same time it’s easy leg brake even if your Mr no tap . I think your right to be hesitant to put any athletes in such a position
Michael James i completely disagree because jake shields was almost pounded out cold by ray cooper after he was dropped flat on his face throwing a low kick whilst leaving him self wide open for that left hook counter... So i dont think jake shields would be considered as a “real word” Striking expert/monster Btw you might want to stop trying to make it seem like grappling isn’t a legitimate combat sport that is very effective for mma and or for self defense before you have tried it yourself
you can tell Miyao ended up walking funny once the match ended... but he was hopping nonstop before it began. mad skills from both but Gary stayed way busier.
Gary sitting back for the leg as a false attack when he knew the Kimura was stronger and switching to it instead of finalising the leg attack was absolute genius....
Man, anyone else would've tapped on those heel hooks; they were deep and I'm quite sure Joao tore some ligaments there. I wonder if it wouldn't be better to hunt for other submissions against the Miyao brothers, since leg lock attempts don't work. Heck, if Tonon can't leg lock 'em, no one can.
@@agent_pena6955 He revealed on instagram that nothing happened, he says he left the fight and went to give a private lesson, and fought another camp next week. i think his knee is rubber!
The average casual saying they don't like the Miyao game wouldn't last 10 fucking seconds with either of the brothers. A majority of black belts wouldn't last 5 minutes with these guys.
15:11 It's clear, even without going slow mo that Miao stud up before Tonnon, yet the judges scored for Tonnon. Commentators said: "if there is a double guard pull, and you come up, you get 2 points, and Garry T. did that and got 2 points" Can someone explain why they scored for Tonnon there ?
If you look, Miyao wobbles around keeping weight off of his knee when he gets up from a couple of them. They did some damage, he just played it off as best he could
If that's the case, i think it's too much... In my opinion some of these dangerous submissions should be illegal, or i don't know...i might be too drastic here, but i feel that some of those ankle locks could end a fighter's carrier, and this should be allways avoided as much as possible
It's true, it's not good for the sport, but there are already some banned moves in bjj, and i think that the question is : should we protect more the integrity of the sport or the athlete's health? I probably would choose the second option but it's a difficult topic since i understand your argument and i agree with that too. Let's hope that in the future medicine will be able to heal fighters from injuries faster and better, that's probably the best solution to this problem
I don't know of any banned moves at this level other than none grappling moves like eye gouging, punches, etc. and there really shouldn't be. These guys are far from beginners. This is a superfight among multi time champions. If an athlete is too prideful and willing to risk their career and health over loss, especially at this level, then yeah, it's on them, not the sport or community. They made a conscious decision to do something we all know their coaches and teachers told them over and over not to ever do. I look at Judo when I hear your suggestions. Judo, as a sport, and as a fighting art, has greatly been diminished by banning perceived dangerous moves, many of which are used in mma and bjj tournaments all the time without incident. Judo has gone so far as to say you can't even touch your opponents legs anymore during a takedown. No single legs, no double legs, not even a hand touching during any throw or it's a disqualification. It's absurd. What's the point anymore if everything is going to be removed and no one is ever going to be prepared to do or defend against real techniques?
For now until we will figure out different things it's just the guard is a very powerful thing and the legs are right there, you are pretty much offering them when you lie on your back just give it time, Jiu-Jitsu always changes
Yea, his RNC and guillotines are top notch. Was his bread and butter before DDS when he was at Ocean County with Almeida and DeBlass. Saw a bit of kimura trap game in this fight, no back opportunities tho.
Garry won fair and square but am I the only one who noticed dat he never scored any real points. He scored by sitting down and getting up. His other score was off a dum misunderstanding of the rules. While joal scored by passing his gaurd. Garry had more submission attempts but he only attempted leg locks. The leg lock game was looked down unpawn bc ppl would go for them only when they couldn't get past thier opponents gaurd. They are also the easiest submission to obtain bc u dnt hath to get to a dominated position or play gaurd to get it. So Garry won but I think under most rule sets , even ebi joal would beat him
Even though that is true in regards to the origin of leg locks, the failure of the basic hierarchy of obtaining position, they are still brutal and dangerous submissions regardless. They do require skill to obtain the position, they require skill to execute the submission, and the inversely require skill to escape the position especially in these high-level matches. Of course one could argue that some bloke could just crank with brutality on a leg lock without the utilization of skill and still execute the submission, however, this is applicable on most any joint lock submission. If I lock an Americana, per se, give no time for my partner/opponent to tap, and break his elbow and/or shoulder, that's under a similar principle (of course it's arguable that in order to be able to effectively lock and Americana then I must develop some position, however, this isn't inherently true as I can always sit back, left my opponent close the distance and execute a kimura or Americana and end it there with no true development/establishment of position occuring). I do agree though, this match may have turned out differently under a separate rule set but who's to say.
He tried to pass guard at times it's just that miyao is really good with his flexabillity and guard retention, when he brought his legs in he pretty much presented his legs for leg locks but he was really good at escaping so it was just this back and forth
hes a warriror, sometimes i feel bad for him all he has is bjj. he live this all the way. But gotta respect his passion, play compete for bjj not for winnings. That's rare!
Can someone explain to my uneducated ass- why do people just sit down in these kinda BJJ/Grappling events? Like, is there more tactical advantage? Is there just more defensive positions there? More submission openings?
The miyao brothers use berimbolo to get to their submission. He wraps the opponents leg while sitting down to advance to his next position. most people would get twisted into a pretzel pretty quick. But gary is obviously very good. Avoided miyaos guard game
vou fazer uma pergunta sem maldade, curiosidade mesmo, já percebi em vários videos que os miyao são meio avoados ruins de entrevistas e meio desligados, é o jeitão deles mesmo ou eles tem tipo algum autismo sei la, igual o messi etc.. kkkkk
commentators regarding the double guard pull rule and who gets points by standing up first.....i wonder what is so surprising about that with regards to Gary Tonon?? Its same rules in IBJJF right?? LOL
to be honest, having a small arena hinders the game... having these rule sets hinders the game I prefer eddie bravo vs royler 2 ruleset... just let them grapple for 20 minutes in large wide stage this isn't mma
dude both of them are mosters ! Garry has one of the best leglock games I ve seen and joao is like he cn take back from everywhere ...if only he was stronger...
Thumbs down because Joao got robbed. He had several near sweeps and near back takes. Garry just kept going for leg locks. Sometimes, to his detriment because Joao almost took his back for it. I mean, if you submission attempt led to you nearly getting your back taken and you have to bail and regroup, that shouldn't count.
They made that bs rule just for this match. In favor a Gary and Gary knew it. It’s y he waited to over time to take advantage of the rule. Bs rule either way. Only way Gary can claim to have beaten a miyao.
