+DasEdits CSGO Funny thing is that in mediaval times war was considered just natural part of life. enemy wasn't seen as human. Looting raping and bloodletting was seen as natural part of warfare. In modern times wars need more justification than just calling your enemy heathen. And even then there are rules. Yet War... war never changes. even with all these rules war is still just humanity acting out its wrath.
Seeing the blinding and mysterious lights in the sky, Duran didn't get confused for long. His battle experience immediately told him "shit that's definitely them spotting us and they're going to do something". Dude should at least get a star for trying
@@filledvoid Well I mean, he would need more than tech, he would also need strategy. You can send a 1000 men with the best weapons to charge head first at a 100 men and they will be decimated by the 100 men simply because charging is a dumb strategy against guns.
@@filledvoid Strategy with a sword and strategy with a gun are extremely different. The difference is so big that almost all your old knowledge regarding battle strategy is useless.
@@filledvoid There's examples in history about what you're talking about... and they're not very good. The Generals who commanded forces in the early parts of the first world war were what you would call "strategists", they were trained by the same men who led line infantry formations and cavalry brigades during a time at which they used weapons today we would find archaic. Technology evolved quickly at the turn of the century and far outpaced the minds of officers, effective machine guns like the Maxim and Madson were perfected by their makers, accurate rifles that could shoot repeatedly without reloading at blistering speeds came into service across the world, artillery that could launch high into the atmosphere to a point where the spin of the globe had to be accounted for in order for the shell to hit its mark, and motorized vehicles that could run for miles faster than any living being. The generals that commanded units that used these technologies were trained by manuals and textbooks a little under 3 decades old, with what they assumed was the latest advancements in military thinking. When they were sent to command the men who brandished these weapons, they were thrown into modern warfare that they could not handle, men were thrown in blob formations (like you see in this clip) towards readied enemy positions fixed with artillery and machine guns, they were massacred. Classic strategy and experience of ancient warfare is in no way similar to modern combat and tactics.
No, it wasn't. Any assault on an enemy with unknown capabilities after having already suffered half your army as casualties in previous engagements without managing a single confirmed enemy kill is sheer insanity. At the point when the enemy can so utterly destroy all your regular strategies you have to assume he has a counter for your irregular strategies. A competent commander would retreat, gather intel on the enemy and make a new plan. There are times for risky all or nothing gambles in war, but this wasn't it.
@@thomasjetzer2823not like he had a choice in the matter, someone like him who had fought for so long and won every time couldn’t ruin his legacy and career just because the enemy was extremely powerful. At least Duran got a redemption arc.
@@dannyzero692 You always have a choice. That's just a matter of which consequences you find acceptable. Personal humiliation in exchange for the lives of a hundred thousand lives of his men? That shouldn't even be a contest. Duran didn't deserve a redemption arc. He deserved a court martial and a firing squad for prioritizing his reputation and pride over the lives of thousands of his men. Seriously, in any reasonable military, a glory hound like that would get a dishonorable discharge at best.
@@razgrizucc Yeah, you're right...But it really says a lot about the military might of countries that have ACTUAL military forces. If these folks couldnt really do anything with an Earth Defense force, they would most certainly be slaughtered by, oh....The US military.
Oh yeah I’ve read that manga and am still waiting for new chapters! It’s so interesting seeing modern weapons and technology used in a medieval fantasy setting.
This is me playing in Civilization. "Yeah, this is going well. I got a good map presence and a good army. Almost got the trebuchet tech..." "WTF?! Gandhi already got tanks!!" I cry everytime...
As Sun Tzu said : "If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.” Quotes by Sun Tzu the art of War
+FlayvorOfEvil dude let just face it the firepower of the modern era ... it just to powerful and those poor bastard are just wasting their men ... they turn their tank into artillery and some anti-craft gun .. it just to impossible to defeat them ..
+Iko Artiaga add to that the fact that they are using "old" equipment that is due to become scrap metal...if they ever bring a bio weapon or some modern exotic ones ....
1:01 JSDF are using airburst fuzes the enemy. Airburst fuzes produces more casualty than contact fuzes as most shrapnel and pressure are not hindered by the ground, contact fuses however penetrates a few inches of ground before detonating especially if the ground is soft acting as a delayed fuze. One time we dropped airburst shells on a hill occupied by an enemy force that ambushed and succesfully pinned down a platoon of friendly infantry, after the firefight gone down we conducted a recon for unexploded ordnance and by God what we saw that day was so horrifying that some of the junior infantry guys passed out puking the hell out of their stomachs. If I were to describe what I saw it would be like corned beef drenched in ketchup with tattered fabric, some body parts scattered across the hill beyond all fucking recognition. Firsthand experience.
@KKK Revolution Norm for mortar, maybe, but not artillery. Artillery uses HE shells as standard. Artillery are usually for negating cover (bunkers, buildings, etc), while mortar is for direct infantry fire.
As I read through the manga, I note that Empire's amry not being present is a major reason why the Empire would continue to underestimate the JSDF over and over again. They never had any firsthand witnesses of this destruction, and assumed that anyone who did speak of it were either exaggerating or outright lying to try and save face. They really couldn't comprehend the power of the enemy they had angered.
This was also part of the plot as to why the Imperial Army was not present during this battle, since they’ve lost 1/6th of their strength fighting in Ginza after weeks and Emperor Malti feared that the unified kingdoms might went up against him since his military is weaken, so when Malti had the chance he asked the 21 unified kingdoms to help him fight against Japan with the full intention of getting them wiped out and weaken the kingdoms so he can still have power over them. However due to his military not present in the battle and lack of information he didn’t know how strong an opponent Japan really was, assuming scorch earth strategy would work against them like any army in his world. He really thought that Japan was an equal opponent until he realized they had no chance agains them in a conventional war when Kuribayashi mowed down Zorzal’s goons in front of him and bombed the Senate building, probably the reason why he decided to change and sue for peace.
Kudos to the final army's discipline for attempting to move forward even while getting cut down. Out of the leaders he was the only one who realized that the only way for them to survive was to close the distance the minute they were exposed.
@@WhatIsLove170 Problem is that artillery, when it detonates, throws its shrapnel in a cone forward of its detonation point due to the forward kinetic energy. So to survive shelling on the move toward the source of fire is actually the safest option.
@@danielhaire6677 They had only just made into the zone though, they would have to cross a significantly smaller distance to escape than they would to reach the enemy, and thats not accounting for the fact they would also be met with rifle fire and machine gun fire as they got close to the enemy. Retreating would still be a significantly safer option compared to charging the enemy.
@@WhatIsLove170 Except militaries set their artillery engagement zones at approximately 2/3 to 3/4 of the maximum ranges of their weapon systems. So even if you try running, you are still within range.
+RagnaFans555 1:02 Just incase you didn't know. That plump king commented "This isn't a war, this is .....this is a slaughter!!" So yeah, it is hardly a battle.
Well, what do you expect? Spearman can beat tanks only when... 1) they're Veteran Spearman 2) fortified on a mountain or in city, having fort improvement is a bonus that increase the odd in spearman's favor. In this, they send Spearman to Attack! But Spearman has poor attack compared to when defend, and forgoing their fortify bonus advantage when attacking didn't help the matter either, veteran notwithstanding, they gonna get wrecked anyway. Oh, and tanks is fortifying On a Mountain With Fort improvement too, so spearman's defeat is inevitable. PS. Sid Meier's Civilization Joke.
Nadamas Or 10 Archers took down a Giant Death Robot in Original Civilization V... because an oversight of game mechanic of forcing all unit to take at least 1 damage when battle and every units in the game has 10 hit points... But that's just original, expansion pack rise their HP to 100 while the mechanic of 'lose at least 1 HP when battle' unchanged, so now you need 100 Archers to down a Giant Death Robot which practically impossible in-game :P Still, imitating Ewok in Star Wars is a good incentive to try that at least once I guess?
bro if the tank hatch is closed you have no idea how to open it, lock from inside. remember that the imperal has the first glance at the tank not like the soldiers in our world that know tanks week spots
Hikigaya Kun lol imagine the US or Russia stepping in!!!...lol since this other world is fantasy...might as well bring the Galactic Empire from Star Wars...but that would be way beyond the word "Overkill" !!!
Now that's something you don't see everyday. Modern Military kicking some serious butts against fictional armies from another world and the force to be reckoned with. Good effect on target!
+R. Kidd Bah, let Viet Cong hit them from the rear :v Small dudes sweep from 5 o'clock with MAT-49, support them were marksmen with CKC semi-auto rifle and Mosin scoped rifle. From 7 o'clock are guys with RPG-2 (and RPG-7), covered by AK-47. And of course, right behind those poor medieval soldiers are RPK :3 But yeah, for some odd reason, Waffen SS really knows how to have good-looking stuff
@@hithummah ya like we have some that can Guard against magic . Like giant tornadoes and Giant meteors of fire casted by humans casually. That's like the equivalent of them going to monster hunter and steam rolling them. that's not happening by a long shot or easy mind you. Especially with elder dragons looks at Dalmater Casually Summoning the Apocalypse with meteors. Or the black dragons looks at one that is so emotionally unstable that it causes Nature is to go into a frenzy and the other one that boiled the ocean.
The Allied Armies: "We have dragons, orcs, goblins, massive conscript armies, knights and magic." Japanese Self-Defense Force: "That's cool. Catch this 155mm artillery round."
Battle implies both sides actually saw each other in some form and actually managed to hit each other somehow. Sword with sword, bullets with bullets, etc... This was literally long range bombardment and spray and pray on the Empire. I LOVE IT!!!!!
The Special Region was lucky to have the portal open in modern day Japan, and have their response be simply building a military base nearby the portal and sending diplomats. If the portal opened in 1930s Japan however... lets say the Special Region would make Nanking look like a wholesome family picnic in comparison
@@elijahmanaghaya6038 America would’ve likely be like Japan in this timeline however they would’ve pushed for war with the Empire because of slavery bad, human rights abuse and set up a puppet state, trade with the now maybe Democratic Empire and expand US influence across the Special Region. Although at slower pace since in the manga the US military is still occupied with war in the Middle East and their defense budget can not spare anymore. China would’ve conducted either all out war and censor it or find excuses to do so since they had the Gate under lockdown and China would’ve likely move its 600 millions people to the other side since that’s their goal in the manga. Russia would’ve done the same but they would exploit the Special Region and go to war for natural resources especially during the winter months in Russia.
Reminds me of my time in Afghanistan, tali and isis seem to think that they can use darkness as an advantage while we sit there with NVGs radioing in their coordinates for artillery. One problem I do have though is that they had tanks,manpower and artillery, they could have softened up the oppositions base with artillery then proceeded to send in tanks with infantry following in for cleanup.
@A F-35 with internet They do now, since 2017 if I recall, they call themselves ISIS-K, K being for Khorasan province, the place where the Afghan branch of ISIS was created
If I remember the JSDF was trying to only occupy Alnus Hill, since they lacked the capabilities and resources to advance deep into enemy territory. As the anime/manga has showed us they were certainly capable of doing Blitzkrieg but they only utilized that tactic to push through the Gate and occupy the Hill. The anime didn’t elaborate on this but the only time the JSDF were dispatched hundreds of km to kill the Flame Dragon and its babies, they had a hard time moving there effectively (vehicles breaking down/unexpected encounters with locals). Spoilers ahead Although Season 3 hasn’t been released yet, the manga did show that the Empire’s guerrilla fighting does have effectiveness initially on the JSDF as many trucks were burned down and personnel were injured and sometimes killed. After those attack, Japan has decided to launch a full scale war against Zorzal’s military but his scorched earth tactics does proved troublesome for the Japanese since they had to constantly deal with refugees and guerrilla fighters disguising as refugees. After that the manga is still being written so the plot is not fully covered yet.
@@dannyzero692 So they're basically keenly aware of another Barbarossa Op so they're taking steps to mitigate; which is good. Casualties will always be casualties though.
What I love about this anime is that it shows how powerful modern militaries are. in most medias like Avengers, Ultra Violet, and others, soldiers are portrayed as useless morons that just stand around firing wildly and waiting to be killed. "It's because they're up against people with super powers!" so it is a basic power to rob all troops of their common sense and aiming capabilities? there have been so many times the soldiers should have won easily. but no, either the soldiers have the aim of Storm Troopers and can't hit anything, or they forget they have guns and run up to the enemy to club them on the head. so I'm glad this show pays some respect to our modern militaries. (even though they had a small handful of facts wrong)
JBXyooj Considering that the JSDF is largely entrenched in those Arnus/Alnus Hill battles, with cannons and automatic gun fire, it's more like the hell experienced by those on the Western Front in the First World War. What with charge after charge being nothing more than the wholesale slaughter of men, orks(?), and horses. Blame The Great War youtube channel for that one. Still, it's too bad that the other world doesn't have any offensive, or better yet defensive magic AFAIK that might give them a chance to close that gap and fight man-to-man. Granted, the word "might" is probably too charitable a word to use but at least give these Allied Kingdoms cannon fodder some kind of a bone.
Sabersonic Well the orcs and Dragons were kinda like the main muscle for the allied states. The JSDF just had the element of surprise. From what I heard... This technological advantage ain't going to last throughout the series, according to the light Novel.
JBXyooj The Generals of the Allied Army appear to be utter idiots. First, you scout your enemies before attacking, second they should have fortified Mount Arnus, since its where the gate is and the only point the enemy can enter, thirdly, after their first attack in Tokyo, they should have recongised how outdated their Tech is and improved on new weopons and fourthly not using the same tactis three times in a row when its clear after the first one that its not working. Have these people never played Civ?
rupok93 no the gate will close eventually leaving the military cut off from what i hear, the manga hasnt reached it yet but arnus hill will eventually be a democratic state capital where the non humans arent treated as slaves and they can make ammo and other necessity after they've controlled the resources during the time when the gate was open
I like Durants stragetic thinking and as a commander. He knows that the moment that they are seen that all of the soldiers are sitting and tells them to move so that they are harder to hit. Also he goes first to show his men to not be afraid. I wonder what he would do with modern weapons.
If this is what a small force can do imagine a massive modern army in this fictional continent. Edit: The music just reinforces the one sidedness of this fight.
Rory is cool, but I bet she was lying when she said she couldn't die. If that were true, she wouldn't bother blocking or dodging gunfire. At a bare minimum, she takes damage that she can regenerate from. This means if she were to be shot in the head, she would be subdued or at least incapacitated for some time, as her brain would need time to regenerate.
What I like about this battle is that later on in the series, you end up finding out that Duran survived; he was maimed, but he survived. He ends up just popping in, giving some advice, then leaving and it's never addressed in any way who he is or why he's just hanging out like a civilian in the town the JSDF set up near the gate.
The king's reaction says it all. No power can outfight them, no knowledge/wisdom can outsmart them, and no kingdom can conquer them, for they have evolved beyond their imagination. Destructive powers and capabilities strong enough to rival that of a god. I have never watched this anime tho looks good as fuck hope it isnt cringey and cliche, just stumbled upon it here on youtube great scene noice. That red armoured guy was a king right?
Kazumi Minazuki That’s not really true…. Kings aren’t Mayors since being a Mayor assumes you are under the command of another, which Kings do not have. Dukes and Barons are much more similar to Mayors on an administrative level, with the King being more similar to a President/Prime minister instead. The term Emperor on the other hand is completely interchangeable with the word King. Most sovereigns only adopt such a title for historical reasons, like the HRE or Tsar emperor for example.
I like how the first two attacks never made it to within range of the infantry. They just got annihilated by artillery and tanks and when they finally got close enough for infantry to shoot. They were cut down like reeds in a strong wind
Some medival soldier: I will fight and die for our kingdom for honor and glory. I will have their head on my Spear!!! Some Otaku 22 year old soldier manning a 249 SAW: Oh boii, here I go killing again.
If they're using thermographic vision (and why wouldn't they, all modern armies do) they'd just be tracking their IR heat signatures, day or night, "The Predator" style.
What was suppose to be a JSDF recruitment anime ended up being, "if we remiliterize we're ok with killing 100,000 poorly armed peasants". China isn't happy. lol
Sadly, if you think about it, these soldiers did not deserve to be annihilated like that. It was the Empire who crossed the Gate and launched the attack on Ginza. The Allied Kingdoms were lured by the Empire in order to wipe them out, then conquer the Allied Kingdoms' territories.
Yeah, and that's not the 1st time they do so. Surely the 1st time they got beaten up back tho. They were lucky to pick Japan as target for Japan only cares about her own safety. Should it be China or Russia, they are as good as extinct. I look forward to the day when Japan finally gets fed up with it and strikes a deal to move the whole GATE to Vladivostok, Yuzno Sahalinsk, or Chanchun.
If I remember this is what France did in the first battles of ww1 they marched up old fashion with muskets standing in lines and the Germans mowed em down with machine gun fire.
the general shooting an arrow towards the rain of bullets shows the disparity of their power and how insignificant his status, achievements and strength in the face of modern warfare.
2:38 Yes cause riding a War horse in FULL PLATE ARMOUR, WHILE YOU YOURSELF AND ALL YOUR MEN ARE ALSO IN FULL PLATE ARMOUR, IS CERTAINLY QUIET, the collective noise of an armor that big wearing that much noisy armor would completely defeat any and all attempts to stealth.
Soilder: Sir we see an army that out number us 500 to 1 General: What equipment do the have Soilder: Swords, sheilds, Bows and arrows with armor similar to that of 1700 AC - 1000 BC General:..........then why the fuck are you scared Soilder: Oh yeah, right *Proceeds to mow down the enemy*
Soldier : uhm, sir why are we all relaxing, theres like an army of 10.000 enemy with swords and shields marching towards us General : 3... 2... 1... *Artillery strikes and Ac-130 gunships mow down the enemy like nothing* Soldier : Never mind, sir
another favorite scene from this awesome anime. its just the whole thing about them being able to mow down and wipe out an army in matter of seconds just brings a warm tingly feeling to my heart.
So you go to a battlefield, see an army comparable to your own completely wiped out, with not a SINGLE enemy casualty on the field and you decide "yeah, I think we should attack."
I remembered walking into my friend's room while this scene was on, as it was full screen while playing I couldn't see the title and assumed that this was going to be just another boring generic fantasy/medieval army battle. Until I saw the scope reticle. My first thoughts were wait... what? wtf? How is this even possible? Just what anime is this? Needless to say the following curb stomp gave me quite a hard on and was hooked to the series. Looking forward to season 3! ;)
It's kinda refreshing seeing modern weaponry beat this medieval type world. Because most of the other stories usually has super strong magic user that could even rival nukes
