Nick sounds ridiculous defending Schwartz. Jo is severely unhinged & not blameless but Schwartz is a historical gaslighter. It’s really frustrating when Nick gets on here and talks down to his staff.
One of Nick’s favorite lines when someone is stating their point, “But what are you basing that off of?” I wish his staff would turn that question back on him when he makes his suppositions
Why does nick always think he’s right and argues it until he is blue in the face when someone gives the slightest opposition. I like aspects of this podcast but I find myself constantly rolling my eyes with nick’s takes.
The mansplaning about gaslightinig is unreal 🤣 Nick's the Lala of the group. LOUD and talk over the rest until he's "right". And why is he always heated when the topic of gaslighting or someone being a narcissist come up. He takes it SO personal. Maybe he recognizes those characteristics in himself 🤨
As a viewer we need someone that can correctly argue with nick and actually get their point across because why are we letting this man feel like his opinion is a fact 100% of the time!! His head is getting huge
Somehow the people he has that have worked for him that are able to stand their ground and not get railroaded by Nick end up leaving the show... Coincidence? 🤷♀️
I know Nick is their boss but damn he shuts down their point of views so fast.. its as if they’re almost a bit worried/cautious to push back too so it’s just simmers down and ends on Nick being right 😂🥴
nick youre constantly telling people to define the relationship and shwartz never once did but cuz you want him on your show you have completely flipped your stance that you normally tell all of your other callers. this was a tough listen on your end lol
I think Nick likes to hire staff younger than him just so he can argue with them and repeatedly prove how their opinions are wrong to feel good about himself… this episode makes him seem insufferable to work with… I’ll even admit I agree with his definitions but holy crap he doesn’t seem to process ANYTHING his staff says at all. He can’t even throw them a bone and say a single thing they have to say is valid to extent. He just continuously argues his point until they all give up and it’s hard to watch.
What did I learn this episode? Do not say anything negative about Tom Schwartz in front of Nick cause you will be wrong no matter what and get your heard torn off 😆
He’s always defending the men I thinks saying “and I’m not defending him” makes a difference. It’s clear he’s friendly with them now and doesn’t want to speak against them. Two things can be true Jo can be delusional AND Schwartz could’ve led her on. Everyone can see it but Nick who loves to play devils advocate
But Tom said that he and Joe we're going to get married in 8 years after he said he wanted nothing to do with her. Then denied it 5 seconds after she repeated it. Is that not leading her on? Making her feel crazy for thinking it's more than friendship 🤔💓
NICK saying " do you even know Tom" to his co host and asking where she got that info from ....like please nick is so rude to the people on his show. Also do you know Jo NIck.??? Where are you getting your info from because last time I checked these are just opinions
I ran to the comment section once the Tom and Jo convo came up…I’m glad to see everyone agrees that Nick is 1. Talking down to his staff/cohosts 2. Now has a serious bias because he’s buddy with Tom . I can’t imagine having to argue with this man at home…good luck Natalie. Nick is entering his grumpy dad era --> everyone is over sensitive and life is hard so get over it, he’s over worked and tired and is taking it out in arguments that shouldn’t be that deep, and he’ll defends the douchebags that justify his behavior. Maybe I’m overreaching on the last part but I’m disappointed in him.
Things I learned listening to this; Nicks totally fine if people disrespect women, as long as he's friends with them! Schwarts asking Katie for a one night stand shows blatent disrespect for her? How are you like SO WHO CARES? And also Schwarts said he was gunna marry Jo in 8 years????????? But we can just pretend he did nothing wrong because he's your bestie now. Got it. Dissapointing episode.
yeesh.. to have such a strict view on what is/is not gaslighting is wild. I think gaslighting can absolutely happen on a scale. Tom 100% made Jo question her own reality with very little ownership or acknowledgment of the parts he played in doing so. Sure, he may not be telling Jo she's crazy directly, but there are many ways that can be communicated to someone without outright saying it.
I’m afraid there’s no one in nicks life that has ever put him in his place… correctly😭 there were so many examples of Schwartz gaslighting Jo and no one could explain themselves and allowed nick to go off on his little rants 😂😭
Because he gets rid of the people that do. I've came to the comments section to see if I'm the only one thinking this and now realizing it's pretty much the consensus here
How Nick’s staff continues to work for him is beyond me. He cannot accept their opinions! Always interrupts them while they are making their point to only let him know that his opinion is the only right one. 🙄
Nick makes the most useless points. What does that have to do with Arianna?? Arianna didn’t misuse the word boundary so very confused. And yes Lala as Arianna’s friend should respect her journey. She wasn’t telling a random person to respect it, she was telling her friend
Nick is full of shit. He was embarrassed by her. He didn’t want to claim her, but he liked the benefits that he got from the relationship…. he’s just not that into because when you like a girl and she’s your girlfriend, you say it, especially when he has no problem with this young girl he’s dating now that has many red flags… he was leading her on. We were like lightning in the bottle. We had a whirlwind romance. We’re gonna get married in eight years. You’re my soulmate you don’t tell a woman that it may be 2024 but men and women have changed that much.
He was dating the young girlfriend before they started filming season 11 they told us on Knicks podcast here but they had been dating a year and that was worth a month ago so they were dating the entire time. They were filming season 11 but nicks gonna say that Tom wasn’t leading Joe on?
Nick, Tom was definitely leading Joe on. I don’t get how you can call that behaviour anything else like the way he describes the relationship is as magical they were in love it was wonderful but then he goes and calls it not a relationship they were together but not together it’s just bullshit it’s something a 16-year-old boy would try to pull. It’s disgusting watching a 40 year old man try and do it and it’s even weirder to watch another 40 year old man trying to defend it.
Omg NICK they are not saying that JO is not guilty of anything. Clearly both JO and Tom are guilty of their own things. Jo chose to go for Tom even though he was vulnerable and still healing. Tom is guilty of using jo to get over his divorce. There’s plenty of videos of Tom saying really romantic things to Jo therefore sending mixed signals. There was one video where he said he wanted to marry her and then seconds later he took it back. Just because we can blame Jo doesn’t mean we can’t hold Tom accountable as well
I’m glad they’re pushing back on Nick about the Tom thing. Because he doesn’t seem to realize that Joe can be annoying as hell/problematic and Tom can have gaslit her. More than one thing can be true at once.
The frustrating thing about influencer ads is the lack of honesty…love you guys but anyone following you on social media knows you absolutely don’t use Huggies.
The gaslighting bit was rough. Nick was too focused on educating, which these days is needed! But listen to your team, Nick! Schwartz is an avid gaslighter. He camouflages it pretty well, and that’s only what we see on camera. Jo has her own issues, but it doesn’t change this in particular.
I wish he hadn’t gotten so triggered and barreled thru the convo with frustrations about “overall society”. I do like that yall brought it around, suggesting to use different verbiage. I’ve found that method is just as productive for positive verbiage! This just could’ve been such a shorter and more productive segment. Props to the chick in the booth tho for holding her ground, respectively. Lol. Both things can be right about Schwartz and Jo🥲
Nick sounded pretty bitter when he said he'd never fly to Florida for Tyler again. I guess he didn't like that Tyler picked Stagecoach over his wedding.
So the whole VPR Reunion section is just Nick defending Schwartz? People pleasing/leading people on is 100% Schwartz's MO. The fact that you're riding so hard for him when you don't know the situation is pretty wild for such a big platform
Nick- Schwartz gaslit Katie. He would on camera say something and then tell her and then other people that he never said that and “are you drinking Katie”???? Example- Schwartz told Katie it was strange that Brock asked him to be a groomsmen and then at dinner told Katie he’d never had the conversation and then told her to stop talking. Ex 2 the day that Tom Tom opened Katie said she was looking forward to spending time as a couple together and Tom recognized that he’d been neglecting her. He then spent the evening paying attention to everybody except for her. He literally ignored her on three separate occasions when she was talking to him and he was looking at her directly or then right above her head, and then the next day he took the first class seat to Mexico and left her in coach. And she expressed her feelings. He asked her if she’d been drinking in front of the entire group. Then after the fight started getting real, he started laughing and he said I wish she would just learn how to talk to me and tell me what your needs are instead of fighting me when she done so just the day before
Have you guys not done the math from your interview with Tom and his girlfriend? He told you what a month and a half ago that he has been dating Sophia for a year that means they was dating the entire time they were filming season 11 Have you not done the math on that yet? Tom sat on your couch and Admitted that he was having a relationship with a 23-year-old the entire time. He was playing house with Joe during the season that we are now just watched.
Which is why Schwartz was downplaying the relationship with Jo because he knew his new girl would see it. It is manipulation and it is the definition of gaslighting. It’s cruel. Sure Jo is off but he had to have known that and he needs to be responsible for messing with her mind knowing she would likely take it to another extreme.
Please go look at the definition of “gaslighting”. Such a misused word these days. Situationships do go for camping trips btw. If he didn’t tell you you are his girlfriend then You. Are. Not. His. Girlfriend.
Where did Natalie’s accent come from? 😂 I know she’s from Georgia but that accent got real strong in some parts vs how she normally speaks. Is that common?
Boundaries are not about controlling the behavior of others. It’s irrelevant if the other person agrees with or acts according to the limits of your boundaries. Boundaries are about what you allow in your circle. Arianna refusing to have a conversation with Sandoval is a perfect example. Her boundary was only about her own behavior. She removed herself from a situation where several people were attempting to get her to violate her own boundary. Her response could not have been more adult or more appropriate.
Also, in Jo’s defense, I think it’s pretty clear that there is something going on with emotional processing/ interpersonal communication, ability to read the room. There are many conditions that create these dysfunctions in people. I don’t think all of her bizarre behavior is necessarily her “fault”. I think she’s coming from a very different place. Her behavior is clearly abnormal. I don’t mean any of this in a derogatory way.
So proud of Leah (sorry on the spelling gf) ! I love when the crew gives their opinions as strong as Nick does.... He needs to listen more to his crew and allow them to express their views and opinions. Leah was giving her view on Shwatrzy and I feel like a lot of people agree... Tom was totally leading Joe on. (whether he meant to or not) Nick you are not always right my guy lol We love you & obviously the Viall Files fans come back for a multitude of reasons, but sometimes you lay your opinions on way too thick that everyone else around gets completely bulldozed. You don't allow them to express themselves very well and this also includes guests sometimes! Another great episode nonetheless !
I want Nick to present us with the same evidence he’s asking for that Tom DIDN’T lead Jo on. Because my evidence that he did and is gaslighting her is saying they only had sex sporadically and for him that could mean once or twice a week. Or him continuously saying that him and Jo had something magical (I ain’t never heard fuck buddies described as magical). Or the fact that him and Jo were still hooking up when filming started. He keeps saying we saw him on camera making it clear that they were just friends but if I remember correctly he was saying that to everyone BUT Jo. Come on now Nick. I know Tom is your new fave but don’t let that stop you from being intelligent.
Also these are 40 year old adults. I don’t know how Nick not being a drinker in college connects to this. I would hope that once I’m 40 my friends are not disrespecting a boundary I’ve set just cause it’s inconvenient. That’s not a friend. They can respect it and not understand it
I haven’t seen any positive comments on this one lol but i enjoyed the guests. Brittany is such a self aware person and had such great advice and perspective for the caller during texting office hours. I am in a similar situation as the caller and it gave perspective for me. Great guest, I enjoyed it
Nick! Cmon lol. I am NOT a Jo fan. I don’t think she is a person who should be on reality tv for her own sanity. BUT Schwartz saying stuff like he loved her, and what they had was written in the stars can def be misleading. That said she’s grown and at some point you can’t allow someone to treat you less than. I don’t feel bad for her but Schwartz should never have brought on this show. Two things can be true.
Oh my god.. I’ve never said it out loud. I agree with you Nick about theme parks. I can’t handle the people that go there.. I love the roller coaster rides only when the weather is bad and no people are there.. lol
But didn’t nick tell Natalie that he didn’t want to date her. They were friends with benefits and he rejected her. Same as Schwartz with Joe. Anytime someone asks for advice with this kinda advice the advice given is usually that the guy just doesn’t want a relationship with you. lol so was that the case with nick and Natalie?
Heads up to any VPR listeners, they don’t recaps the reunion at all, it’s just 20mins of Nick forcing his significantly younger crew to agree with him that Tom Schwartz can do no wrong
No one misremembers the details or the intricacies of a relationship especially an intimate one. Like Tom said he wanted to marry this girl, then took it back like. Tom is trying not to look like a fboy and Nick is here giving him an out. This isn’t communication issue. It’s Tom saying and telling her one thing in private and publicly on television denying it and her.
This relationship started before Scandavol was revealed. I think it was fun for Tom when it was Jo, Rachel and the Tom's. Plans to bring her on the show was because they thought Rachel was coming back and the four of them would hang together. I think things changed for Tom when the plan changed and Rachel wasn't coming back and production changed storylines and wanted the group back together and then Tom didn't want anything to do with Jo. I usually like what you say Nick but sometimes you have something with the Tom's that you sometimes defend them a little too much.
Nick I had to fast forward your talking points about the gaslighting because you are wrong…tom gaslit Katie over and over. He minimizes everything and over promises. He is a manipulator, it doesn’t matter whether he is aware or “his intent” PERCEPTION IS REALITY PPL!!!! Stop acting like he’s a cute little innocent boy, he is a horrible person in a pretty little package. When he has been called out over and over again he never changes his behavior, he’s aware and knows he gets away with it so continues the pattern of behavior…..Swartz told Joe multiple times in multiple episodes oh yeah I’ll be ready for a relationship in 3 to 4 years w/ her at the bar when they talked about aliens…& in San Francisco he clearly said yeah and then WE will get married in eight or nine years …that’s leading somebody on he is giving her false hope those are the only things that we saw on camera think about what he’s telling her behind closed doors. how is nobody remembering the small moments of him telling her these things in front of us?!?!
Nick trying to get the tea when they're so wholesome down to earth and actually have substance. More of this who cares about drama not that I don't listen every week😅
I get your boundary perspective after 8 minutes of not using the best examples. But yes, if someone has a boundary, don’t expect people to understand or respect it. Just have the boundary and stick to it and whatever people perceive it as is on them, however if friends really loved you, they would obey the boundary for whatever it is.
I dont agree with nicks comments about tom. I agree 100% with the women who stand by their opinions. Jo might be a little weird but he continued to lead Jo on
The last time you guys talked about diapers you swore by coterie, now it’s Huggies. not judging the need to take ads but don’t swear one is the safest option then say the same about the other. Preying on parents anxietyyyyyyy
Nick was right on Schwartz. We can’t keep using these words when people stop liking other people - and women aren’t victims. We are so much stronger and more empowered than that. It’s okay - our feelings get hurt sometimes it is what it is. Doesn’t mean we were gaslit.
What about when Jo said they were telling each other they loved eachother and then Schwartz told her they’d get married in 8 years? Clearly Schwartz was very wishy washy in what he wanted and Jo didn’t stand up for herself and tell him to find someone else’s mind to play with.
Thomas Ravenal went to federal prison for cocaine use and distribution while he was state treasurer of SC. There was a nanny sexual assault too. He is a low down dirty dog. Kathryn should consider herself lucky she was arrested and didn’t injure anyone. I hope she can straighten herself out just for her kids.
Nick - new fan. Watch you and like how you kinda don’t let anyone get away with stuff (RE: Sandoval trying to tell you YOU were actually late to his podcast lol. Natalie being like how long was the podcast? Like an hour. Okay well he texted me around 650 he was on his way home from completing the podcast, and he was supposed to be there at 530…). Happy for you and Natalie and yalls baby! All that being said, Katie told you, you were going to be charmed by Shwartz and you said you wouldn’t. I think you’ve kinda jumped ship and are failing to recognize that Tom is the catalyst and screwup in this situation. I think you should do a 3 part podcast with Katie, Jo and Schwartz (separately ofc, but notify them it’s to get to the bottom of this topic) and you ask Katie, has Tom ever gaslit you, do you think Lala was correct, how do you feel about Brock saying he was a bad husband, and what are your thoughts on what happened between Jo and Tom and who she believes, and if she genuinely likes Schwartz or is she only friends with him cause of the show and their dogs. You ask Jo if she is happy with her portrayal on VPR, her timeline with Shwartz and what he told her about the parameters of the relationship, if she was gunning for a spot on the show, why her social media has been a little… unwell, and whether or not she thinks she was gaslit and if she does believe so, was it before or after the reunion. Also, maybe ask her why she is still proclaiming her love for Tom? And lastly you bring Schwartz on, tell him to stop with the aweee shucks baby voice, his view on the relationship with Jo, why he wanted to keep her a secret but is happy with his new girlfriend, why he thinks the WHOLE cast was ready for him to get his comeuppance (is it due to proximity to Sandoval or has there been a shift in the cast, or if as a society in general is annoyed with him), if he’s afraid of saying Katie was right about Jo and he can’t bring himself to say that or if he really was gaslighting Jo, and for the love of god, can you find out what the reason for the breakup was?
I think everyone should just stop shitting all over Tom Sw. and just get over it...They were just a fling and he commented several times he wasn't ready for al full relationship and it was just sex. Joe tried to make iit more than it was and thats on her....
See people say that all the time but every time we just get over it, he does it again so how many people we supposed to just sit back and watch him hurt before someone finally hold him accountable and tell him to stop?
I agree with nick on this, some people believe what they want to be true. We have only seen tom be upfront about his boundaries with Joe. Joe took anything Tom said and ran with it. Yes Tom has character flaws with people pleasing tendencies but it can not be more clear that a guy doesn't want to go that far with you
“How well do you know shwartz?” Is this man fucking serious?? Wtf 😂😂 we watch this show we don’t know these people so we’re just not allowed to have an opinion if we don’t know people?
THE VENEER DISCUSSION - as a dentist trust me - THE PATIENT WANTS THEM !!!! what the heck am i supposed to do when they say i want the WHITEST white and perfect teeth ? like ok babe I hate them but its not my face
I don't think Tom was gaslighting Jo I do think he thought they were just having fun and she caught feelings we all saw him tell her about his dates with other girls what I do feel tho was that he was breadcrumbing her he liked having her in his back pocket but wanted to still see what was out there him telling her "I can see us one day getting married" then saying ur joking but not joking is fuck boyish but the signs were there for Jo and she was accepting of all this she has more of an issue with Katie than Schwartz and that's weird
Very lovely couple. Really enjoyed their message. Also, I do believe Jo is a compulsive liar. Don’t know about their relationship but think I’d be afraid of Jo.
I totally agree with Nick about the Schwartz / Jo relationship debate. We don’t know what actually happened in their relationship, so saying he was definitely gaslighting her is unfair and definitely does dilute the meaning of the term
We’ve watched him do it in real time. We’ve watched him shower and praise and talk about how magical the relationship was and that he loves her and then two seconds later be like, but it wasn’t dating it wasn’t that serious We watched him tell her he was going to marry her in eight years and then be like no I didn’t literally five seconds later when she pointed it out We don’t need any more behind the scenes like there’s been enough on film evidence of his gaslighting And remember he was dating Sophia before filming season 11 started because they’ve been together over a year now Do the math on that he was screwing the 23 year old well having all those conversations during season 11 about Joe and their relationship
@@tracim3080 exactly we literally watch him lead her on. It’s crazy….. lightning in the bottle I’ll marry you but it’s hard for me to even say that we had a relationship
