Not sure if you’ve ever tried recording an exhaust sound, and then listening to the playback. Unless the viewer has a sound system with a linear characteristic and the volume set to the same level to reflect the recording, it’s pretty meaningless. If you watch MotoGP using the speaker on your phone you might as well be listening to mice. If you’re there in person, you feel every exhaust whine and roar through your skull and chest as the bikes race by. Even the dynamic range of an exhaust from idle to full is a challenge to be picked up by a standard voice mic, and with the compression for RU-vid and others, even if it could be captured, I doubt it would be reflected even in the perfect sound system. So for all those reasons, please accept my apologies for not adding the impossible. There is another video where I’ve tried to measure the sound levels for comparison with stock, and another trail ride video where some of the exhaust sound while riding is picked up.
@@PeakMotorcycles blah blah blah... Bro, people don't give a crap about all that, they just want to hear it after spending 20 mins waiting for it! But never the less, still a good video and you don't owe anyone an apology.
Contacted Arrow and its actually only the end can and link pipe that are road legal. With the stock header its legal, but not with the Arrow header. Going to get this anyway. Good video. New sub.
Look forward to the noise test & whether the performance characteristics have changed. You must have spent north of 40% of the bike's purchase price on accessories, André! Hopefully your dedicated followers can help offset the cost. 😉
Yup, something like that... I try not to think about it. On the other hand, I've had two years of holidays cancelled, and even with adding 40% of the bikes cost, it's still about the price of a stock T7, maybe a little less. And though it's not as fast, it's got a longer range, weighs 40kg less, and has better suspension than a T7. The dedicated followers of course help, but I think I'll need to do a few more videos before YT ad revenue pays for a £800 exhaust! I don't mind. I can't take it with me when I go :)
Quite a weight saving, Andre, with the Arrow. for the last twi decades Honda exhausts have been quite good power-wise, but heavy and expensive. Good luck and little noise on the trails, Günter from Nürnberg
I do smile to myself about the plus/minus weight values & the effort & expense that goes into saving a few Kg’s by changing out components that are more than adequate for the job don’t get me wrong I’ve done the same however let’s not forget it’s 80% rider & 20% machine I did myself a favor & got fit lost weight & ended up feeling great zero expense…!!! Hmmm now I probably need some serious upgrades take some time out guys take care of yourself as the benefits are tremendous…!!!
Yup. It's exactly that and you are very much correct. I shall put that on my list of things to do, and when (if?) I get there, it'll be extra benefit! #spoileralert the Outback Motortek crashbars more than offset the exhaust weight saving.... that video to come shortly. With that added to the bike it'll be even fewer meals to avoid!
That looks great. Are you going to do all those noise tests again? If not it'd be good to hear what it sounds like. Thanks for taking the time and trouble to do this video.
Let’s pretend it was my idea…. And not from some who saw me doing it the other way when I fitted the MotoX and gave me the tip 😁. At least I’m learning.
Very nice work, Andre. I liked the weight comparison. This looks like a premium product. I will try to find the Arrow exhaust here in the U.S. I opted for the full titanium Moto X exhaust from H2C. It cost about $400 U.S. That would make the Arrow exhaust about $1200, or more U.S. for me. I wouldn’t mind spending that to offset some of the weight of adding a set of crash bars. Looking forward to seeing your crash bars instal, and the panniers in place. Happy Trails
You can’t take it with you when you go! I much prefer that one to something about a fool and money! I’m looking forward to the weather getting better so I can do more outdoor videos and less freezing in the garage or show videos. Summer is just around the corner….
Really enjoyed that video Andre, just discovered your channel - I'm thinking of getting a crf 300 rally and it looks like you've got lots of great info here about mods. Appreciate the details, well done mate, I'll look into your other videos. Cheers, Tim
Thanks Tim. It was sort of a lockdown experiment that got out of hand. There’s quite a lot I’m afraid, but you can skip the riding ones and probably quite a few others too! I still have a few to do on the Rally, 10 maybe, and then I think I’ll be done.
It looks far superior to the moto x one - not sure its worth the money on a 5K bike but thats a personal decision. Great content video - thanks for sharing!
Yup, and I'm not sure it's worth the money on a 6k Rally either. Luckily the fabulous wealth I acquire from RU-vid videos will at least offset the shipping cost. ok, part of the shipping cost. But not the exhaust, or the import charges. Basically I'm a mug. 😂. It's a quality bit of kit too. Hoping it's quiet when I get the noise test done.
Great Video Andre. I have about 4 items to add onto my 300L, but totally waiting for the temp here in Ontario Canada to warm up. It’s hovering around -21c and the wife doesn’t want me to move her Miata out of the garage (winter storage location) to work on the bike. Depending on how quiet the Arrow is compared to stock, this might be exactly what I’m looking for.
She sounds wise 😁. Probably backed up with some logic that if it’s -21C, even if you did work on the bike, when done, would you ride it? Looking forward to warmer times ahead both inside and out!
Fantastic video as always, looking forward to noise measurements. Could you please post part numbers, I looked online and it only shows for the 300L not rally.
Thanks Chris. It’s the same part for the L and the Rally (much like the OEM). The only difference when fitting is that Arrow provide clips for the OEM header heat shield mounting bolts which can be used if you have an L and want to refit it. If you have a Rally, those clips stay in the bag.
@@123cedmondson depends who’s asking 🤣 £700 something. Plus import fees and VAT 🤣🤣🤣. So way too much. Excellent engineering though. And it’s too late to return it, so I’d better like it now. Though if I don’t I will say so. And then await the comments telling me I’ve wasted my money.
If you left the dB killer in the Motox silencer , it will be quiet but the stock dB killer is completely incapable of passing sufficient gass for any performance. The stock one , despite being very well constructed has only 8 bleed holes of just over 6mm. A crossectional area of approx 226sq mm. The outlet of the exhaust is about 29mm or approx 707sq mm. Even without taking into account the fact that the holes are at right-angles to the flow AND the much smaller holes will have vastly decreased average flow/area, that restriction of gasflow will not be good for power or quite likely the engine. That much restriction means that the holes act as bleed holes for the silencer chamber only. The temperature in the exhaust system will be raised and also raise the cyl temperature. I drilled my holes to 10mm and added a 12mm holes in the blanked end. The should pass about the right amount of gas, but still break up the sound pressure wave ( not the same things). It would be nice to have seen dyno difference. Big thumbs up from me for weighing things, especially exhausts. Modern exhausts don't usually restrict power much ( if at all) , but weigh a ton. The main reason for changing them is weight loss and accompanying accelleration increase. I would post a pic but youtube doesn't allow that facility. ps I love Arrow exhausts. Genuinely smart design.
Thanks Greg, your approach sounds far more intelligent! If I had a dyno, or one nearby I would have. (I tried) but for now I’m stuck with perception, trial and error, for which I can only apologise.
@@PeakMotorcycles Apologies unnecessary. We work with what we have. If not we modify ( or is that just me...). By the way I was referring to my mods and the dyno.
Am I right in saying it's 72528PK + 72178PZ + 72179PD? I have been thinking about getting the 72528XKI + 72177PD + 72179PD (X-KONE) set as it is even slightly more light than the one you fitted on the video. I think also the end can is a bit nicer to my eye. Nice video! Very helpful.
I think so, yes. I looked at the X-Kone, but I wanted to use it with soft panniers, and I think it's harder to fit a heat shield to a conical exhaust. The X-Kone is also a little shorter. I know a few folks that have them though and they are delighted with them.
@@PeakMotorcycles The 72178PZ and 72179PD are described as stainless steel online - including the link you provided to the ebay seller. Can you confirm as i cant find titanium link pipes online? Great video though!
Probably a little as it restricts the flow but I guess you’d also need to get more air in, so an airbox mod, and then if there’s and problems with reduced back pressure. Perhaps if you do all, and have an ECU map designed for that you’d get the real benefit.
No estoy seguro de si lo hace, aunque el mío tiene instalado el convertidor catalítico que funciona más caliente que sin él (creo...) Por otra parte, monto mi bicicleta principalmente en el Reino Unido, donde hace más frío en general, así que tal vez sea más difícil decir. Mis disculpas por no poder darle una mejor respuesta.
Hello, thanks for the video! May I ask how did you placed the catalytic converter with the arrow on it? Gas flow direction? But then it wouldn't fit? Thanks a lot!
Thanks a lot for the reply! I do not have the collector, only the exhaust and linking pipe. But mine is not fitting with the "arrow" in fume direction. I now have to send it to them for checking...
Hi... Nice videos on the 300Rally...not sure if you've talked about this or done a video.... But... Is it feasible to have an aluminium top box on the bike, in addition to say soft panniers and a duffel on the passenger seat... From a load and handling/stability perspective? Many thanks
Hi, I’m sure it is, though what sort of riding are you thinking of doing? If mostly paved roads and some dirt roads, probably ok. Not sure I’d fancy much single track or Sandy/rocky/technical sections loaded up like that. The Honda OEM rack has a plate that’ll take a Givi box. For others, you’d need a rack and probably an adapter plate. I find it gets sort of snug with something on the passenger seat, but again, it’s down to where you’re riding and where you need to put your backside. Also, getting on and off might be a challenge depending on your height and flexibility. I’d probably suggest considering where you’ll be riding and then doing some test rides to build up to it. If it’s too much stuff, I’d probably lose the top box. The security is nice to have but it’s extra weight high up, far back where you don’t really want it. Good luck!
@@PeakMotorcycles thank u for the quick reply... Im considering this bike for a RTW adv that i hope to embark on by end '22 provided borders fully open etc by then.... Currently on an 800GS, but looking at the cb500x or something like the 300Rally for the long overland that will include some offroad, the Stans, not too extreme TET, etc. I'm 57, about 174+cm, 61kgs. Riding solo
Hi, I'll have a think, maybe there's something I could do with that. (put a thermometer on the bike and start it up from cold, with and without the cat perhaps?) I'm not sure how conclusive that would be, but perhaps I could do it both cases until the fan kicks in? May I ask why you are interested, and is there a particular part of the exhaust that you're more concerned about the heat? I suppose any sort of static test isn't the same as riding when there is airflow, but if you could tell me what you're looking to understand, perhaps I can do something that helps. Thanks. (if you drop me a note to admin@peakmotorcycles.com I'll definitely see it. I don't always see replies to replies, depending on how busy the week is for comments)
Hi Alex, I think it might be just the end can that’s titanium so probably an error on my part. Apologies. It is still lighter than the budget ‘titanium’ pipes from the far east.
Andre, thanks for clarifying that. I like that the system is roads legal. I got the impression that it is possible to run without the cat? Did you notice and difference in performance with the Arrow?
Compliments on all your vids! Much appreciated indeed. Does the Arrow have a spark arrester and does it require occasional repacking? Thank you from British Columbia, Canada.
Hi Rob, I’m not sure if it has a Canada compliant spark arrester. They aren’t really a thing here (too damp?) so I don’t think they are needed for an exhaust to be road or trail legal. As for repacking, I’m sure you could but I don’t think they need it. I had twin Arrow exhausts on my 2014 Speed Triple 1050R and had no need to repack it up until when I sold it in 2020. I would think that a 130hp 1050cc triple puts more heat and force through the packing material than my CRF300, so I guess it’ll be ok. It might be worth asking the Canadian Arrow importer about compliance, as they might know more. Thanks, Andre
@@PeakMotorcycles Thanks much Andre. Spark arresters are required in law here...under certain circumstances....and with good cause. We are experiencing extraordinary dry seasons and wild fire consumption of forests and towns alike. Only mild hyperbole here. I asked about the repacking of the exhaust as my Leo Vinci on my KLR does not require such...ever. So it programed me to be aware as I am not eager to buy another maintenance prone accessory. But I take your point, and say "thank you again". Cheers from BC
With rackless panniers? Or panniers on the racks? If with the racks, you might be ok. Just check the clearance and how hot the exhaust gets. For rackless, I think they would be touching the silencer so I think a heat shield of some description would be needed.
Thanks Andre. After suspension upgrades I may consider the Arrow system. I use ENDURISTAN Blizzards XL. Do know if the stock exhaust guard or the ENDURISTAN one could be used with this? Ta as ever!
Hi Gareth, I’m not sure how easy it would be to get the stock exhaust guard to fit. On the stock exhaust it’s a combination of tabs (tab?) and bolts. If you can get some jubilee clips with captive nuts, it might be possible but you’d still have to find a way to recreate the locating tabs. I think the Enduristan Inferno would be easier. That’s what I will use. It’s not as big as the stock one, but it stands off further, and mine worked all on the MotoX exhaust and I’d expect it to do the same with the Arrow
Hi Andre, loving the channel, I'm thinking of buying the Arrow exhaust for my 300l and was wondering how it compares to stock regarding noise, I really like the quiet stock exhaust and don't really want anything louder, also is it plug and play and no remap required? Thanks fir your help 👍
Hi Nick, there’s a video on the channel where I did a noise comparison using the FIM tests: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-f8fFAASpRtk.html It’s noisier at the top end, but for practical riding revs it’s quiet. Quiet enough to overtake horses on a road without them noticing me: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YmA0NY_2tZ4.html I fitted mine as plug and play, with the cat fitted. It’s a homologated exhaust so is certified to have the same flow characteristics as the stock one. I hope this helps. Ride safe.
Another great video ! Thats an expensive exhaust but I am sure it will be worth it. I would be very interested to know the difference of the internal diameter of the header pipe compared to the original. I believe the 250 l and Rally had a bigger diameter compared to pre 2017 models, but the 300 models seem to be smaller again. Anyway, looking forward to your sound check video, and again my compliments on all your hard work and research. 👍
Hi David, I’m glad you are, I’m not sure if it’ll be worth it 🤣. I guess there’s not many videos on it due to the cost. If it’s quiet, light, and either replicates the stock power or makes a slight improvement, then it’s a question of is it worth it…. Everything is marginal, and I think it’s pretty expensive compared to stock. We shall see. It’s a bit late now to return it!
Hi, I couldn't get one from any of the UK Arrow distributors, so mine came from a seller called mototopgun who ships from Italy on eBay: Fanciest one: ebay.us/nDCTqS I nearly bought this version in black: ebay.us/uVUnCu or this (I think this is the cheapest): ebay.us/kBXumH The choices that affect the price seem to be how many titanium pieces vs stainless, with/without a cat (not road legal without), and if you have a carbon or stainless end cap. If you're elsewhere, then perhaps try your in country Arrow dealer and you may get a better price and avoid international shipping. If you're in the UK, then I'm afraid you're in the same boat as me! Good luck
Can’t remember as it was a couple of years ago. Someone should probably do a video on that though. And maybe even put a chapter in on the weight comparison vs original. Or you could just watch the weighing bit of this one? If that’s too much to ask, I’ll watch it myself and then type what it was.
At idle, I think it’s quieter, but that’s just in my garage. I need to do a proper sound test, same as I did for stock and the MotoX to give you a proper answer.
I’m sorry but I don’t. Until someone can unlock the EU/UK ECU, there’s not a lot of point getting it on a dyno. It is homologated though, so probably best to assume it’s the same as stock and the performance gain is through weight reduction, not increased power.
Hi, I couldn't get one from any of the UK Arrow distributors, so mine came from a seller called mototopgun who ships from Italy on eBay: Fanciest one: ebay.us/nDCTqS I nearly bought this version in black: ebay.us/uVUnCu or this (I think this is the cheapest): ebay.us/kBXumH The choices that affect the price seem to be how many titanium pieces vs stainless, with/without a cat (not road legal without), and if you have a carbon or stainless end cap. If you're elsewhere, then perhaps try your in country Arrow dealer and you may get a better price and avoid international shipping. If you're in the UK, then I'm afraid you're in the same boat as me! Good luck
Hi Andre, enjoy your videos thanks! Just a quick check with you, as far as I can find and I asked the Arrow dealer and the header and link pipe only comes in stainless steel but you mention this one being titanium? Cheers
Probably my error… it’s called a Thunder Titanium, which now you mention it, is probably only the silencer: www.arrow.it/en/assembled/1749/Honda-CRF-300-L-2021-2022 Silencers are aluminium and titanium, doesn’t say for the link pipe and header. I’m out at the moment, but will check with a magnet when I’m home. I expect you and your dealer are correct! Thanks for the correction.
@@PeakMotorcycles Hi Andre, another quick question, did the CAT come as a slip in between the exhaust and link pipe? The link to the full system you got says that is a CAT welded into the link pipe. Cheers, Graeme
@@Flatcoat11 apologies 🤣. It was quite late when I finished the install so I let my neighbours sleep. I’ll do a proper noise test like I’ve done for the MotoX and stock. I hope to get it done tomorrow and edited in time for Sunday. If not, then it’ll go up next weekend.
A little, but generally it's ok. it's so draughty in there that the airflow seems to keep it dry. Dry enough at least. I don't bag the bikes, and I've never used a humidifier and even on the 30 year old XV1100 there's minimal condensation on steel parts. Just got planning permission to replace the cowshed though.... that'll be the new motorbike room/studio and will be waterproof, draughtproof, and might even have heating if I'm allowed! Probably won't get built until next year, but I can dream. Might even get a bike lift in the floor if I'm lucky!
Hi , great info here. i have a question. your moto x system had steel header pipes, and the arrow is all titanium. there was a 700 gram difference. moto x also does a full titanium system still at half the price of the arrow . any idea what that wheighs? i am guessing it would close the gap quite a bit...
I think the header and link pipe on the Arrow are steel, and just the silencer is titanium. (If I said otherwise, I was wrong) I’m not sure what the all titanium MotoX weighs, I think it’s a bit of a saving, however I’m not sure what grade the titanium is. The end cap of my MotoX started melting after a week and they weren’t interested in doing anything under warranty. It was quite a big step up in price to the all titanium and it wasn’t worth it to me. I’m sure some folks have one though.
Hi André, thanks for doing this upgrade, I know it's a while ago, but my stock is rotting away and the arrow seems the way to go in the UK, noise and cat etc, any regrets with it after the time you've had it?
Hi Steve, None whatsoever. Maybe still a little on the price 😁 but that's the yorkshireman in me! With the cat in, it's homologated to have the same response as stock, so I haven't really noticed any change in power or where it's made. Top speed is similar to stock. It's also fairly quiet and I can pass horses on the road on a little throttle and they don't really notice me, and also sound ok (but not too loud) opened up. If you need a replacement, it's a good weight saving, and maintains both emissions and noise levels.
@Peak Motorcycles brilliant, that's more than enough info, that's exactly what I'm after, I wasn't sure what homulagated meant, I wasn't expecting more power (although I would never complain lol) just as long as it does the job and sounds sociable, lots of people seem to regret buying others just because of the noise. Thanks again Andre, as always. Top bloke!
@@steveh100 I think homologated means it has the same flow profile as stock, so as long as you’re not expecting a performance improvement (other thank weight) then it’s fine. This is me passing horses! 06:32 in: Day Out: Honda CRF300L and Rally TET Peak District Ride - Arrow Exhaust, Rotopax, Heated Grips 4K ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YmA0NY_2tZ4.html
@Peak Motorcycles oops, yes I remember watching that now, I think I watched it when I didn't have a hole in my stock exhaust. Thanks for the reminder André
No remap, though I don’t think there are any remap options available for the UK/European ECU yet. I know the ECU for the rest of the world can be done, but we are still waiting.
@@Bruneello thanks, though that’s a fuel controller right, rather than a remap which changes the ECU software? I don’t think you can remove the jerky throttle with an EJK. The Arrow is homologated so should have the same back pressure characteristics as stock, so shouldn’t need any changes.
@@PeakMotorcycles yeah it's a controller, it enriches the fuel mixture especially at low rpm and is reported to solve the jerky on-throttle response since because of EU5 the 300L runs very lean on low rpm and low throttle angles even at stock configuration. Also the added bonus is that being a bolt on part it can be removed at any time for the periodical technical inspection
Separate video? I do find exhaust sound videos difficult though. So much depends on the audio equipment someone uses to watch it. If it’s a big home cinema sound system with a sub, it probably sounds amazing. The same clip played through the speaker of a cheap smartphone sounds terrible and I have no control over how people watch.
