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Videogames, Gender Performance, and Criticism
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In March of 2015, we talked about the Sims and Gender Performance. We talked about how-even though The Sims has always been a socially progressive game series-at the time, each player’s semi-autonomous people-pets had to adhere to the gender binary for seemingly no reason other than “because.” Well, as of June 2016... that’s no longer the case! You can still create a MALE or FEMALE sim. But, there are more more options if you want them: you can create a sim with a masculine or feminine frame, with a preference for masculine or feminine clothing. You can decide if your sim can get other sims pregnant, get pregnant themselves, or neither, and… you can choose how your Sim uses the toilet. All of this has been the result of and has in turn generated tons of criticism of The Sims and videogames in general, including the recent Rimworld, which has been the source of a heated discussion about how gender is factored into videogame development. Let us know what you think in the comments below!
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@Rocky183 7 лет назад

Hope anti-SJWs won't be too triggered.

@vincitblade3612 7 лет назад

Rocky183 TRIGGERED!

@stormelemental13 7 лет назад

Too late. Saw gender and went full KiA.

@sunsetsoverlavenderfields 7 лет назад

Too late

@HannibalHanslaughter 7 лет назад

the comment section is surprisingly civil so far maybe I'm just too early

@alexandert696 7 лет назад

Its the other way around though and its almost history for social justice. Nice try though.

@PlatyNews 7 лет назад

I love how identity and politics only exist to some people when they are outside of the norm. Hetero couples is not political but gay is. White people is not political but black is. Male protagonist is not political but a woman is. Weirdly enoght all those "non political" choices are probably choosen because they will reach a bigger acceptance in their market share or in other words, they will resonate better with the political ideals of people

@doriannousias6725 7 лет назад

That's not true at all. Trump engaged in Identity Politics when he focused his campaign on the white working class. What you're describing is the effect that the mainstream zeitgeist has on our perceptions. If we lived in a Matriarchy then championing men would be political, because it is more obviously pushing the boundaries of social norms. If people truly want identity to be depoliticized then equal rights for all is the best way to do that

@robthehitmanrude 7 лет назад

i believe it becomes political when decisions are made to further a cause or agender rather than to purely genderate profit.

@beultra3083 7 лет назад

True, but his pandering to Whites was mostly in the context of how they've supposedly been screwed by other groups.

@sunsetsoverlavenderfields 7 лет назад

This is isn't true. The politics are still there when it is a hetero couple or when it is a white man. It just is the norm so it does not attract attention by the mainstream; people don't think twice about it. It is contrary to the norm to have a black, gay, female protagonist in media, and therefore it becomes a sensation, something people notice and are inclined to comment on. When a piece of media only features straight white characters, it blends in with every other piece of media featuring straight white characters. However, the fact that this is the case should show how political it is, and where the balance of power lies right now.

@muleFUEL1 7 лет назад

I agree, and it's sort of like what Mike said, there is always identity politics, but only when it is acknowledged does the politic come to light. I feel this is the problem behind our social justice driven ideals if the 21st century. For so long we have been fine with the norm and felt no reason to question it. But as people began to demand equality for all races, sexes, and sexual orientation (as they rightfully should have) and we brought to light the politics underlying this norm. Men don't necessarily want to overpower women, it is just that is was a social norm for quite some time. Thankfully most people are able to accept this shift now without much fuss, but there will always be a very vocal minority that blows things out of prepositions, on both sides and talking about the issue always brings out the vocal minority which causes huge arguments and even undermine a valid and just point of view.

@casersatz 7 лет назад

For every dislike on this video, a child will realize they are of a gender for which there isn't currently a name... and a so a new one will be added to the list.

@SuperFreeEducation 7 лет назад

is that supposed to deter people from disliking or encourage them? lol

@Jontman42 7 лет назад

So at the moment of writing this comment we need +41 different terms to describe gender. At which point does the concept of gender become completely useless, when there are hundreds of different terms to describe any combination of traits or preferences or whatever a "child realizes" he/she/it/.../etc. has?

@casersatz 7 лет назад

***** Haha. Let's leave that ambiguous, shall we? Ambiguity and gender go well together, don't you think?

@casersatz 7 лет назад

Jontman42 What is the world's population at the writing of this comment?

@Jontman42 7 лет назад

So are you saying that it becomes useless at +7 billion different terms? I'd say it becomes useless a bit earlier than that.

@phabelgreene7875 7 лет назад

Nonbinary genders, feminism, AND video games? Boy, this comment section is gonna get interesting...

@jakepup5794 7 лет назад

To quote the band Skunk Anansie: "Yes it's fucking political; everything's political!"

@pbsideachannel 7 лет назад

I met them once! A very long time ago! They were very nice. This comment has no purpose. I was just surprised and delighted to see them mentioned.

@briarbleepbloop 7 лет назад

PBS Idea Channel it does serve a purpose. media = politics.

@alexandert696 7 лет назад

Biology gives no crap about identity politics though.

@qtheplatypus 7 лет назад

johno doh the biological definition of sex isn't binary.

@alexandert696 7 лет назад

? the Platypus Hey I know this, its a spectrum right? Are you indoctrinated enough to believe that live is made from more than 2 sexes ? That life intended for more than male and female ?

@Ashtarte3D 7 лет назад

As someone that works as a journalist and periodically has to bring up her criticisms of media content I feel too often I have to bring up the point originally summed up by Patton Oswalt (I think, I cannot find the exact source anymore, Google only finds my reuse of the line) "Criticism is about helping, not hurting." Yet too many people see criticism as an attack on the piece of media being criticized and by proxy an attack on them for liking it as is. This frustrates me to no end because as this video points out early, we criticize things we clearly enjoyed or put value in because it could be made better; not that we want to tear it down. Some of my favorite movies and games I can criticize till the cows come home but I still adore them. We need to hammer home that criticism is an act of wanting to help.

@asia246222 7 лет назад

Ashtarte ++

@person2.022 7 лет назад

@ArgoIo 7 лет назад

@rngwrldngnr 7 лет назад

Ashtarte +

@BiaZarr 7 лет назад

@MegaMitchZero 7 лет назад

As someone who is particularly neutral in a lot of discussions on political issues, I have observed that regardless of where you sit on the spectrum, there will always be people who view criticisms of a piece of work as a personal attack and will respond with the likes of "get that negativity out of here" and so on. The divide of ideology in our culture has grown wider because people are unwilling to reflect on their own biases and instead double down on their preconceived notions of how the world around them works (and that is a criticism of both/all sides of any discussion, my own included). I feel that offering more options in games and general media for those who are transgender, don't identify with the gender binary and are not heterosexual, as long as (and I'm trying to word this carefully) it's not the only option is a good thing. I feel the same way toward media that assumes heterosexual as the the default for most, if not all, main characters - having that as the only option in a lot of games is really quite boring. In short, people should stop treating their subjective opinions as facts and stop confusing criticism of a work as a personal attack, or vice versa (calling their personal attack of someone a criticism).

@ArgoIo 7 лет назад

@hashtaganonymous8129 7 лет назад

@ArgoIo 7 лет назад

APaleDot So it always boils down to "Either us or them", huh? Try to get your head out of the politically binary system.

@APaleDot 7 лет назад

Lorenz Zahn Not at all. But it's important to realize that people put you into categories. You can't escape how other people stereotype you.

@ArgoIo 7 лет назад

APaleDot Why is there so much straw lying around? Don't try to shift the attention to "people".

@trevorbatesanimation1883 7 лет назад

*uploads video about gender* *3 likes and 2 dislikes after one minute*

@Selestrielle 7 лет назад

10 dislikes in 5 minutes

@Social_Mechanic 7 лет назад

Yeah, a bunch of butt hurt men I'm sure

@ncolvin05 7 лет назад

Did you just assume their gender?

@kholdkhaos64ray11 7 лет назад

Rick Wolford Why assume men though?

@CardsNHorns04 7 лет назад

Because that's typically who complains about the idea of gender fluidity much like sexual fluidity. It must be black and white. Men are men and straight. Don't question it!

@alicepow593 7 лет назад

I think you sort of touched on this, but that's why I want to say things about it, but there's definitely this double standard when it comes to classifications like "Identity politics" or "gender" or "race" or "sexual orientation" where we tend to only think of the marginalized group as possessing this quality. Only lgb people have sexual orientations. Only poc have a race. Only women and trans people have a gender. Only the inclusion of diverse identities is identity politics. This of course, ignores the fact that even in a group of straight, white, cis men there are identity politics. There is race. There is gender and sexuality. The only difference is that the identity politics in that group are probably going to align with the previously established norms, so it's unnoticeable. And this is a trend I see a lot. There is a false deflation of the power of privileged people. As long as that straight, white, cis man isn't pointing a gun at your head(and even sometimes when he is) then there can't be any power going on because it doesn't irritate the social order, so nobody notices it. It's like choosing to not vaccinate your child. The parent can see the needle. It is a very real thing that pokes their child and puts something in them that the parent sees as harmful while ignoring the actual violence of a disease that could kill their child. The parent sees their non-vaccinated child as neutral even though that child might be spreading said disease. They see the people insisting on the vaccine as the violent ones because it's so easily recognizable. This is a bit of a messy comment. Thanks if you made it through. I hope it was followable. Also, please only respond if you have actual things to say and not just non-sense, trolly, whining about identity politics. Thanks.

@Kyrbi0 7 лет назад

Thanks for your comment. Still processing it all, but it was insightful.

@TheSleepiestPlurals 7 лет назад

I agree. I see this issue all the time. People say things like that you can't be racist against a white person, while that is clearly categorically incorrect. You can assume priviledge where sometimes there is none, you can assume social status and education and an easier lifestyle, while there are white folks that lead terrible lives, that suffer from depression, from cultural guilt, who drop out of school, who are homeless and destitute and unloved. Yes, you can be racist against a white person. And you can be unaccepting of a cis gender. People don't escape identity politics simply by being in the majority. It's something that affects all of us all the time.

@HannibalHanslaughter 7 лет назад

@alicepow593 7 лет назад

That's not what I'm saying at all, Alexander. You cannot be racist against a white person. You cannot be cissexist. White people don't have problems because we're white. Cis people don't have problems because they are cis. They might have problems, yes, but not because of their identity. I'm saying that there is identity politics in leaving marginalized people out. If you are a group of white, straight, cis men then there is identity politics in the fact that you have not included any marginalized people. Economic oppression is a thing too, yes, but you will not be homeless because you are white, or cis. There are most homeless people in the US are white, but that's because most people in the US are white. People of color are disproportionally more likely to be homeless. You can be prejudice against anybody, but there is no system of oppression which effects people for being white or cis.

@MissHeathen 7 лет назад

+Alexander Beuchat " _People say things like that you can't be racist against a white person, while that is clearly categorically incorrect._ " All those things you listed that white people suffer through had nothing to do with color, lol. You confuse classism with racism, while they work hand-in-hand white people seem to suffer most under classism. The reason you can't be racist towards white people is because they're not being oppressed or discriminated against by their color with Black people collecting some benefit from that racism, making whites feel shame about their white skin, not being able to be seen as a human. White people don't experience that. Racism is also is tool for oppression. This is why Black people don't have political power, economic power, or institutional power equal to white people. White people just aren't experiencing the same life as PoC. Even white a LGBT+ person would still not understand what Black Americans go through on a daily basis. No, you *cannot* be racist to a white person. Being "racist" to a white person will do nothing to harm their white-privilege, and that's what everyone with dark skin wants. Not to be white (while some do bleach their skin in other countries), but to have that privilege to be seen, respected, protected, and loved even. If you read books written by Black scholars you'd know this. 14 year old Black girls know this basic info.

@SuperFreeEducation 7 лет назад

I think that when people talk about not wanting politics in their games is because they see Video games and alot of other kinds of media as a for lack of a better term, a safe space. so when people bring up things seen as political people get into the "not this shit again" attitude.

@WDSimp 7 лет назад

There's a ton of irony in the fact that the people fighting to defend their own safe space also vehemently despise the term.

@doriannousias6725 7 лет назад

thats actually too fucking funny. I recognized that MRA's get butthurt even more than SJWs but I didnt realize that theyre also holding onto their safe spaces way harder than SJWs

@anja8595 7 лет назад

I think it's reasonable for people to not want to engage in that sort of discourse, but I think it's equally unreasonable to shut down that discourse on the internet. I think the term now used is "conflicting access needs", when people need different things from their spaces and these needs conflict. Some people want to critique a game, and some people want to play something without others telling them the act of them playing it is problematic. I guess the solution is to keep yourself from clicking articles that you already know you don't want to read, and to reasonably label discourse so that people can choose whether to engage in your conversation or not.

@acuerdox 7 лет назад

I think they are afraid their game will go away.

@SuperFreeEducation 7 лет назад

acuerdox I don't think thats the concern its more of fatigue with all the political nonsense

@Angrysneezes 7 лет назад

*Gently prods gamergate to see if it's dead or just sleeping.* "Well it's not moving, so I guess we can actually talk about gender in games again" *flinches reflexively*

@katiestolealltheunicorns9309 7 лет назад

Çerastes Um, the video was partially about a piece of criticism about a video game?

@beegum1 7 лет назад

Identity politics usually infers that division is intended in order to pander to a group. Your definition makes the term useless and fails to identify the truth behind the charge leveled by at least half the electorate on the liberal political machine in the US and elsewhere against typically more collectivist portion thereof. Identity politics are divisive in nature and typically involve an us against them mentality and cause the other side to have to defend themselves. I don't appreciate the deflection or your dispersing it into the populace, lol, though I am not at all surprised.

@pbsideachannel 7 лет назад

Maybe it's that it is those who instrumentalize or feel threatened by "identity politics" are the ones who contribute to its "us vs them" nature.

@asia246222 7 лет назад

PBS Idea Channel +++

@beegum1 7 лет назад

PBS Idea Channel Lol, maybe rural and working folks would prefer city and rich and poor folks keep their federal laws off their money and neighborhoods as the country was designed. The election, in one sentence. Is it as depressing though? Yes, yes it is.

@beegum1 7 лет назад

Did you know the group of black folks the Dems are most struggling with is working class blacks? It's interesting, though, you think the conservatives feel threatened, this is not typical of US conservatives as they hold a vast majority of the firearms... When they defend themselves, you call them afraid? PLEASE, attempt to leave your bias and see what truth they're believing it that could bridge the gap. Though some differences are fairly intractable. Do they hate gays or do they agree with many gay people that baker's shouldn't be the target of anti-discrimination lawsuits that look like money grabs? I mean, which one is it? The media says if you want to keep Christian bakeries from being treated like piggy banks of wedding presents for gay couples you hate gay people. Doesn't that seem like a false dichotomy? Are you even trying to be fair about their perspectives?

@beegum1 7 лет назад

You reinforce the idea they have when they watch videos like this that liberals might need these sort of laws to "coexist" but rural folks do not. lol, freaking racist city folk. We just have stereotypes out in the boonies, you're the people with the problems, leave them in the city. Your systems failed so hard they lead to such racism and racial division, not only, but your economic policies fail so hard you need to force them on the rural folk in order that you can use the Federal Reserve to bail yourselves out, lol. There you go. Drink up.

@TheKnizzine 7 лет назад

U got a problem wit my cargopants m8!?

@WDSimp 7 лет назад

Cargopants are a shit!

@pbsideachannel 7 лет назад

hey now we're all friends here. just not all of us cargo pants aficionados. and that's ok. except... wait... "a" shit? or "the" shit?

@WDSimp 7 лет назад

PBS Idea Channel Meant the. Typo. Mea culpa.

@acuerdox 7 лет назад

what? is the video already over, you barely even touched the subject! are you planning on getting the people riled up and let them discover the truth on their own? good job. though maybe it will backfire.

@restinpeas1284 7 лет назад

I owe my lack of losing things to cargo pants and shorts. Criticize them all you want, I have kept track of my wallet, pencils, pens, phones, and much more by having those pockets on the sides. Stuff always fell out of my upper pockets, that just didn't happen with cargo. Also, I am a male. Sometimes, I need to carry a bunch of stuff and cmon, I'll get less ridicule for having pockets than, say, carrying a purse or other bag or having a fanny pack.

@anja8595 7 лет назад

PBS Idea Channel is a space of the internet where the quality of discourse is always high. :) I never feel like I wasted time either watching a video or reading through the comments.

@squaredog187 7 лет назад

Are video game character genders really that pressing of a matter?

@nukethewhalesagain186 7 лет назад

Is anything?

@ArgoIo 7 лет назад

No, but still an interesting topic to debate over.

@sj8948 7 лет назад

Only to "progressives".

@doriannousias6725 7 лет назад

absolutely. representation is incredibly important in media for a variety of reasons. Ellen's sitcom emboldened the LGBT community to come out in full force in the 90's and now we have marriage rights for all

@nukethewhalesagain186 7 лет назад

Hey, guys, remember when World War II happened and nobody wrote about art for 6 years?

@twood8662 7 лет назад

I don't know of any other RU-vid channel that makes videos so nuanced and thoughtful about such a wide variety of subjects. At least one queer viewer thanks you for this!

@medicdroid2012 7 лет назад

I would say that the article pointing out how the code was written was a little witch hunty. Critiquing something like the sims is not the same as critiquing a single person project. The sims has a team that is going to look at whats being said and then bring that up to a separate team to talk about changing whatever needs to be changed. When we look at the same or similar critiques being pointed at a single person team he now has to worry about bug fixing and making the game playable (since people have already payed and he feels obligated to at least make the game playable and most likely update regularly) and also commenting and trying to say why he wrote what he wrote to a most likely angry vocal minority while also going through his code and figuring it all out. This isn't a team of community managers talking to a team of programmers. This is one guy whose name is most likely out there getting hounded by people to do what they want while also not understanding the work that has to go in to make certain things work. When you yell at the sims team no one gets actually yelled at. You are yelling at an entity. When you yell at the single dev of a game he is doing from his own heart you are actually yelling at a human. People need to see that there is a person behind every indie project and not be so hard on them for making something that obviously people are enjoying even with its current bug/feature/whatever it happens to be.

@pbsideachannel 7 лет назад

Are you saying the creators of small, though noteworthy, projects are beyond criticism because it might hurt their feelings? Because if so, I have a bunch of YT commenters for you to chat with :) I also disagree with the description of the piece as anything close to "yelling". I thought it was pretty even handed and didn't smack of emotional appeal at all. Maybe there's something I missed?

@medicdroid2012 7 лет назад

PBS Idea Channel No of course not. No one is beyond criticism. But I can that because of this article people will have gone too far in how they went about talking about this. I wasn't describing the piece as yelling but the talk around the piece. iirc the piece was well written and had alot of solid points. I am more talking about some of the comments, tweets, and probably messages he got taking it too far. Turning a conversation into a one sided yelling match with most likely someone being compared to hitler as the internet does sometimes. .

@anja8595 7 лет назад

I agree that it should be up to a creator whether they want to constantly rework and improve an existing creation or moving the criticism on to their next project. It'd be rude to expect them to add a feature just because you want them to. But say the problem was the game crashed at certain points? Would you consider it a witch hunt if players pointed it out to the developer? Would it be fair to expect players to pay for that game if that bug ruined the experience for them? I don't know. I guess as a creator, you create something hoping it's good enough for engagement, and as a consumer you choose what you want to engage with. Then a creator can choose to reflect on criticism and implement it (e.g. Stardew Valley is a 1-person team who acts on criticism) or not if they so choose. Choosing not to do so has consequences. Choosing to do so has consequences.

@DarkPrject 7 лет назад

What's wrong with cargo pants? I love my cargos. They're great! Also, what do cargos have to do with gender?

@cOmAtOrAn 7 лет назад

At launch Sim women had no cargo pants.

@DarkPrject 7 лет назад

That's weird. Why would that be? Also still, what's wrong with cargo pants?

@MxChloeB42 7 лет назад

I know right? Cargo pants are great.

@99sins 7 лет назад

I think in this case it's more of a case of you can't expect the game devs to consider everything and that is usually solved with criticism. The issue here is that the current mood in these types of topics are pre-heated and more often than not start with "no cargo pants for women, OMG cis-men controlling the media!" and less "Hey can cargo pants be included for women? We like cargo pants too."

@Drudenfusz 7 лет назад

I think only people with ugly legs wear cargo pants... and then there is of course the expectation regarding legs for women, afterall there is a reason why so many shave their legs.

@marniwesterman3566 7 лет назад

This is great. Can you please keep the old episode as well? My students find it useful when trying to understand the idea of the limitations of gender binaries.

@rileydart2806 7 лет назад

Oh God here we go

@pbsideachannel 7 лет назад

/puts on Yakety Sax in studio /waits

@silverpro1v2 7 лет назад

james arte lost me at "God"

@mothpixie 7 лет назад

james arte Where are we going? I'm not moving.. Did I miss the bus?

@asia246222 7 лет назад

PBS Idea Channel ++

@gomezpovina 7 лет назад

I think that one of the problems of criticism focused on identity politics is that, while they can uncover political issues, they more often than not become victims of their own criticism. I've been thinking about the infamous Polygon articles on the Witcher 3 series. If I understand correctly, the article argued on the base of diversity from an American perspective of how diversity is, denying the Polish roots of the game's lore. I don't know, there's something strictly fishy about identity politics having to define an other from their own view.

@FrankieSmileShow 7 лет назад

ENORMOUSE!!!! 6:13 please dont fix it, its great

@pbsideachannel 7 лет назад

WHOOOOOOOPPPPPSSSSSSSSSS

@reececrump8483 7 лет назад

FrankieSmileShow +

@MageofLime 7 лет назад

I actually really want an enor-mouse shirt?

@Frikgeek 7 лет назад

Hey, I actually wear cargo pants. The extra pockets are really useful for carrying around a bunch of stuff you think might be useful but you never actually use.

@PanEtRosa 7 лет назад

Cargo pants are the pants of the prepared!

@AC_Smitte 7 лет назад

I'm forced to wear them in my Navy working uniform. They are quite useful

@Chrome166 7 лет назад

When I was a kid playing The Sims I didn't even think about the idea of a grown man kissing another grown man. But I did enjoy it, a lot. Considering my sheltered religious upbringing that realization helped me immensely with my sexual self-discovery, and I can see where there would have been a lot of confusion in my late childhood otherwise when trying to make sense of other feelings and actions that had been going on the entire time.

@thebeesknees1162 7 лет назад

I think we should consider how you can have a womb and pee standing up. That's quite something.

@ilovebats10 7 лет назад

Luca VASILE Thats what I was thinking, and not just having a womb but being fertile. Seems challenging.

@thebeesknees1162 7 лет назад

ilovebats10 Powerful bladder muscles.

@SUFHolbek 7 лет назад

There are plenty of devices that helps "penis impaired" people pee standing up

@oreokitty333 7 лет назад

There are these products called "Female Urination Devices" that help people with female anatomy aim streams of urine. There are also some higher-end packers (a product designed to make a person who doesn't have a penis appear like they do, often used to help transmen with dysphoria and/or "pass" and by drag kings in performances) that you can wear on your body that will allow you to urinate through them just like a penis.

@MrCasuallyAwesome 7 лет назад

You can pry my cargo pants/shorts from my cold dead hands!!

@gafeht 7 лет назад

That's not how you wear cargo pants!

@scribejay 7 лет назад

First they came for the cargo pants wearers, And I was with them because cargo pants are dreadful.

@trevorbatesanimation1883 7 лет назад

I have a question about gender identity. I'm not very informed on this stuff so this question might sound very dumb, and I'm talking about people who don't identify as male or female. My question is, what's the difference between being not identifying as either male or female and just not following gender norms? If someone was born a woman, has female body parts, doesn't change their name, and likes to be called using female pronouns, how is that different from being a woman? There are plenty of women who don't wear dresses, so that's not important. People use the term "special snowflake" a lot, but it does seem like if you don't change anything about yourself and you act exactly the same you just want to be a part of the "LGBTQ club."

@MrMisanthrope_ 7 лет назад

IKR, they just being problematic

@Social_Mechanic 7 лет назад

Gender is defined by what the culture identifies as "what women are supposed to do" (feminity) and "what men are supposed to do" (masculinity). If a biological woman doesn't act within the traditional cultural definition of femininity, then she is less feminine. This is a scale, so it isn't simply feminine or non-feminine. But WHAT you do (your gender performance) can be different than HOW you identify (your gender identity). So one could hypothetically go through their day-to-day life not adhering to their traditional cultural gender scripts, but at the same time not identifying as another gender (a misalignment between performance and identity). This is fine because we should respect people's identity choices. So, regardless of how someone performs their gender, if they do not identify as being gender non-conforming, then that is fine.

@EpicBexy 7 лет назад

Gender identity is more of a spectrum. All people are individuals, that is a known fact, but that means our brains can be neurologically wired differently, that means all of us have different brains :) . Nonbinary people (those who identify themselves as neither gender or don't mind being a bit of both) simply have a different thinking and view of the self while those against the gender norms can be so dang hetero/binary when it comes to identity ("I am a manly man" or "I'm so girly") but don't limit themselves or refrain from activities that is assigned to a gender, like sports, diaper change or makeup .

@OutOfNamesToChoose 7 лет назад

TrevorSpace Animation I'm also trying to get my head around it. It almost seems like all the genders outside of LGBTQ are virtually non-existant outside of the internet (or in daily life anyway), though I suppose when you subcategorise a lot, the subategories become significantly smaller. As strange as these groups would be to me if I were to meet any, I'd try to be accepting; However, to expect the average person like me to learn about each individual group is too far, seeing as most learning is done through repetition in daily life. What I absolutely despise, however, is the confusion between sex (i.e. genetically determined) and gender (an identity). It brings about the further question: to people who lie outside of an LGBT+ individual's social circle, what further benefit is there of identifying yourself as anything beyond male or female? I can only understand it being important within the field of law.

@YuGiBrohhh 7 лет назад

TrevorSpace Animation If you're actually trying to learn something I can attempt to explain. There are some gender neutral people out there that choose to be gender neutral, like myself, and those that never really found attachment to either gender while growing up. What both groups have in common is the idea of questioning what society exactly wants of us. When someone thinks I am a woman, suddenly a bunch of assumptions are made. They think they know what genitals I have, that I like pink, that maybe I like Justin Bieber, that I like makeup. Many people assume that I am in school to become a teacher or to study gender, even though I am in science. Being a woman suddenly puts me into a box that I did not ask to be in. By rejecting gender, not only does it cause unendingly satisfying confusion in those trying to shove me into their stereotype boxes, it also frees me from the responsibilities placed on me to be feminine. I don't want to wear makeup, I don't want to look pretty, I don't want to like pink. I want to do cool science shit and make cosplay. Would it be a lot easier to just stay with female pronouns? Sure. But the point is that I want to disrupt society's idea of binary gender and in doing so I also get to live free of the expectations placed on me to be a lady.

@aaronsmith5864 7 лет назад

Oh the enduring tragedy of being human, the never ending search for meaning and identity in a universe that contains neither.

@seanmcdaniel1390 7 лет назад

Can I identify as a a bag of hot cheeto fries in the new Sims?

@WDSimp 7 лет назад

I believe that's what Donald Trump identifies as, so I don't see why not.

@seanmcdaniel1390 7 лет назад

#OrangeLivesMatter

@gerbalblaste 7 лет назад

Well, this episode successfully answered the question "What is Art?". The Answer: Anything which causes criticism (In the vain of this video).

@pbsideachannel 7 лет назад

Oh interesting! So if someone makes a piece and lots of people see or hear it, but it doesn't generate an impact forceful enough to warrant criticism ... its just *a work* and not *art*?

@Houdini111 7 лет назад

If a tree falls in a forest, and nothing that can hear is around it, does it make sound? EDIT: What I was trying to get at is this: Can we call it sound if nothing is around to interpret the compressions and rarefactions in the air as sound?

@gerbalblaste 7 лет назад

hence "criticism (In the vain of this video)". Criticism as in Critique grounded in appreciation and desire for improvement. Not Criticism as in Denouncement.

@KeybladeMasterAndy 7 лет назад

Vein* That is an interesting conclusion, though.

@AnnDVine 7 лет назад

I'm hyper-critical of the Star Wars prequels because I love Star Wars. I've seen so many people say, "oh, you're not a real Star Wars fan if you don't like all the Star Wars films!" But, no, I don't like all the Star Wars films because I'm a Star Wars fan - I want better for them, I expect better of them. Star Wars! Star Wars? Star Wars. I also think no-one can be a true "gamer" unless they hate videogames, at least a little.

@bbonvallet 7 лет назад

No True Scotsman.

@luigifan4585 7 лет назад

I'm a gamer and I don't exactly 'hate' games, just dislike games. The only time I would 'hate' a game if it steals the steam of one of my favorite games because it's "''''better"""'. -I.e. Overwatch stealing the playerbase of Team Fortress 2(I see everybody talk about Overwatch and how it's the greatest shooter ever and I'm like, ".... Am I the only that enjoys TF2 anymore?....."-

@AnnDVine 7 лет назад

Sorry. What I mean to say is, there is no gamer that exists that doesn't hate videogames, at least a little, in some capacity. I don't mean to say you can't call yourself a gamer unless you hate videogames at least a little, I mean that I don't think there exists such a person, that would call themselves a gamer, and not hate videogames, at least a little...

@Adderkleet 7 лет назад

The developer of RimWorld did point out that there was a bug relating to the "who hits on whom" part. Specifically, bisexual men are currently (erroneously) absent. But other than that: "Characters in RW aren't attracted to anyone. There is no player-facing "attraction" mechanic or statistic that the player can perceive at all. What these numbers really are are probability factors on romance interactions, which is a rather different thing." (and the probabilities are based on "quick research to get some ballpark numbers, simplified them to be implementable and easy to read, and put them into the game"). Just like DF, RimWorld is about emergent gameplay. And a single bug (or out-dated statistic) can result in a perceived really-big-problem. If females don't get sad when rebuffed, or if intelligent males can't learn that "no means no" or that the lesbian doesn't want to partner up with you, there's a bug (or "the men of RimWorld are designed to be giant dicks").

@cloudbroken 7 лет назад

I have two roommates that I care a lot about and we consume a great deal of media together. What I've found over time is that we're all fairly critical, but that we don't necessarily agree in our conclusions. This has spun countless debates and arguments between us, some of which lead us to dismiss one another's opinions and others that have ended in reluctant agreement. The love we have for one another and for the media we're passionate about has, beyond all other factors I think, determined the outcome of these discussions. Sometimes we find each others criticism indignant or unfounded, other times we observe it but consider it inconsequential. Yet it seems that whenever we cede to one another, it's because we value each other and we know that the passion that we feel /must/ be genuine. Online, where many debates are anonymous and spontaneous, it can be difficult to relate to someone's criticism without a defensive stance. We assume much of what we don't know about each other, most often that a critic must despise or not care for the media. This isn't often the case, since why would anyone imagine fixing something they didn't value in the first place?

@MegaMitchZero 7 лет назад

While it is important to point out the politics that exist within media (because I agree, that it is impossible to separate the two as any creative expression or art is going to contain attributes influenced by the creator's world view), when people state that they don't like their video games or movies getting "political" it has more to do with the fact that those people view media as an escape from the harsh realities of politics and the confrontation and divisive nature of any exchange of differing ideas. The political nature of the games they play are not immediately obvious and it is so much more comfortable not to think about or over-analyse. Ignorance is bliss as they say, and indulging in a little bit of that sort of ignorance can be comforting. Politics pull people out of that comfort zone. Like, for example, when Mario stomps on turtle shells, we are enjoying the journey it is taking to rescue the princess. But, if someone comes out and says "the male hero rescuing the female victim is an overdone trope", certain people who just want to play the games for the sake of having some fun will get defensive. They may not even disagree with the idea being stated, but it's bringing an over-analytical nature to something which to a general mass audience is merely supposed to be some harmless fun. Of course, on the opposite end of that spectrum, are people who will find problems in literally everything even where none exist. The world would be a better place if people could just say, "this is what I have observed from my personal experience" and people could respond "well, I disagree for these reasons" and people could engage in discussion from then on without being condescending to each other. But in a world in which bad ideas can cause legitimate harm to real world people, it is completely understandable why people get defensive, and some people even get a bit verbally hostile. So, politics cannot be separated from media. However, media should not prioritize political messages (unless that is their specific purpose).

@ArgoIo 7 лет назад

@scribejay 7 лет назад

People who don't want everything analyzed perhaps really ought to ask themselves why they're watching a PBS Idea Channel video.

@TheBloodyloon 7 лет назад

MegaMitch If one is content to simply jump on turtles, why then would one read an article or watch a video clearly labeled as a critique of the character that jumps on turtles, instead of continuing to jump on turtles? I argue that they wish to form a better understanding of what they are doing, and be better able to navigate the discussion around it. . If we want our society to change, then certain conversations, systems and behaviors need to be challenged (critiqued). Whether individuals wish to participate in that conversation is up to them. I don't think anyone enjoys having their behavior challenged, but there is a personal responsibility in the degree of one's response. It is not reasonable to be violent, verbal or otherwise, to criticism.

@MegaMitchZero 7 лет назад

No disagreement here. Simply offering a possible explanation as to why people react to criticism, particularly in regards to political ideas they may not necessarily agree with.

@sj8948 7 лет назад

In a game like The Sims, I can understand that gender roles and identity can play an important part in player experience since its basically a soap opera of gibberish speaking virtual people and made to appeal to a very wide and diverse audience. But in a game like Rimworld, a small strategy game developed by one man, where the goal is to survive on a alien planet I don't particularly see gender roles as a top priority feature. The article was written in a way that made it seem like the dev did what he did on purpose which may or may not be true.. Frankly, its a nonissue and if something like that gets in your way of enjoying game then I would very much urge you to reconsider your priorities in life. But then again, I'm a cis-gendered white male so what do I know.

@HeadlessZombY 7 лет назад

well, i mean it is an issue, since men keep hitting on gay women, they get depressed and then shoot up the place. Trust me, knowing why people go crazy is an important thing in Dwarf fortress like games. sadder people have less productivity, less productivity means less food get's made, and then there's riots. You haven't played dwarf fortress until a dwarf went mad from lack of alcohol strips naked and never wears clothes again so much so that the rest of the dwarves go mad from seeing a naked dwarf running around.

@derinedala5032 7 лет назад

I think it says a lot that this one man specifically went out of his way to code these biases in. It would've been *easier* to treat the genders equally, so clearly it was considered a pretty important feature during development, or it wouldn't have been coded the harder, biased way.

@uneek35 7 лет назад

Where they not done on purpose? You know everything in a game is done on purpose. You can't program accidentally.

@Skylos 7 лет назад

It is also important to note that Rimmworld is not supposed to be an ideal utopia. it is supposed to be dark and grimm and show the worse of humanity

@elkinmontoya9640 7 лет назад

+uneek35 Except bugs

@vjorp5332 7 лет назад

Well... Peeing standing up and getting pregnant should be not possible to go together...

@Selestrielle 7 лет назад

Literally anybody can pee standing up or sitting down.

@WDSimp 7 лет назад

You make it sound like a woman can't possibly pee standing up.

@ssrobs2552 7 лет назад

To be fair I have known a few females who can do both believe it or not.

@vincitblade3612 7 лет назад

yup

@Fatortu 7 лет назад

Many trans men pre op use fake penis to pee standing up without risking to pee on themselves. So they can be pregnant and pee standing up. But even if it wasn't realistic. We are talking about a game where people talk to ghosts and where a regular suburb can be populated by astronauts. Why not let people have the choice for their sim to pee standing up if they feel like it ?

@Noxon3173 7 лет назад

I really like the font at 3:04 Does anybody know what it is?

@redolson6671 7 лет назад

Just gonna..... ur.... not look at the comments for this one i think

@JacobFrittata 7 лет назад

thank you, thank you for this video

@pbsideachannel 7 лет назад

Thank you for watching it and saying something nice! :D

@sophiekuijper5394 7 лет назад

I concur on that - it gives me a bit of hope for humanity every time an organisation or person recognise how diverse and changing sexuality, gender and everything else can be. But, being a latin student I did facepalm when I saw the title of this video. (Click bait for latin students!) Don't worry though - this is a great video! :)

@Fatortu 7 лет назад

I think this may be the root to the gamergate devolution to the bottom of hell. People cannot fathom that criticizing an aspect of games is not equivalent to say that anyone who play games will become a serial killer. You can love games and wish they do better.

@akira444h 7 лет назад

where can I get a shirt like that? I looked up star shirt but found nothing

@shirosenshiesq 7 лет назад

A tangential relation to the topic at hand, but the same issue occurs in the artistic community, especially photography. I'm a member of a few photography groups, some actively encourage (and even require) constructive criticism of shared photos, and I find that more and more, those who share their photos are unable to understand that criticism is with the view to help foster improvement. When I see a very average photo, and all people do is at best say nothing, and at worst say 'lovely shot' when it really is not, all we wind up with is a person who finds that their shot is as good as the status quo, or not in need of improvement. This results in the skill of photography being watered down, and eventually people who are truly good at what they do being accused of Photoshopping.

@shirosenshiesq 7 лет назад

It's pretty clear cut when it happens, never subtle. Someone posts an average photo, someone posts some constructive feedback, and the immediate responses include variations of saying that: - they/the client liked it, - that they didn't ask for feedback (whether in a 'feedback mandatory' forum or not), - accusations of being nasty (typically, even the politest, most well written constructive feedback is seen as 'nasty' by these people), - that they're a professional (i.e., have been paid, thereby construing that payment for work is equivalent to quality of work), - accusations that you have never shared photos (implying you don't have a right to share feedback), - that your own photography isn't a level to warrant your ability to provide feedback (even though it always, ALWAYS is better), Plus a few others. If you go into their Facebook business profiles (and there's always one), you can see a stream of terribly average photos, all with comments no more detailed than 'lovely shot' or 'very nice' or something along those lines. My theory is that a person gets it into their head that they can take up photography, so they either buy the cheapest DSLR they can afford or what they perceive to be the most expensive looking one, don't understand the basics enough to learn it properly, and stick to auto mode. Family and friends, who are so used to seeing mobile phone photos on Facebook, see the immediate quality hike that comes with a DSLR's sensor (even on automatic) and assume that it's as high-quality as it's possible to get (simply by virtue of not knowing better) and, being friends and family to an already narcissistic person, at best just praise them out of loyalty, and at worst praise them to avoid conflict. Next thing we know, our photographer has an inflated sense of self, and as soon as they join the real world and share their photos among true professionals and experts, the bubble bursts and we find conflict. The other issue is that too many of these people are also setting up safe spaces for shitty photographers to pat each other on the back about their terrible works of art, with zero tolerance policies on 'negative comments,' which are mostly always just constructive, polite criticisms to help improve people, but deemed to be negative if they're anything short of blind praise. By contrast, a person receptive to feedback will either thank you for your thoughts, sometimes make those alterations and reshare to show you, or explain politely why those alterations aren't part of the scope (for example, one sharer took a photo of a kangaroo in a field, in B&W, and I suggested that colour may look better since it was a low-key photo. They responded that they agreed, but the competition was specifically for black and white photography of a native animal). As for tracking, only way I'd know is to literally just read every post, and mark down how receptive the sharer was to feedback.

@noctora 7 лет назад

I'm happy this video exists.. Thank you. You are a great content creator and i hope you will continue untill the day you can't anymore either by personal reasons of youtube shuting down. With love from a swedish fan.

@matthewmcneany 7 лет назад

"People who have high expectations for someone are generally invested in their success not their failure." Apply this to every teacher you've ever had.

@Hoshikage869 7 лет назад

Thank you for saying this. I'm sick of people always assuming a critic hates something or wants it to fail simply for pointing an issue. And yes, criticisms do not add politics to apolitical media, they uncover the (often unconscious) political biases and assumptions embedded in a work.

@LokrowN 7 лет назад

Art is political and it is at its best and can only truly earn to be called art when it is used politically.

@robthehitmanrude 7 лет назад

Sometimes i just like to look at nice pictures and enjoy them for what they are.

@LokrowN 7 лет назад

***** Cool. And sometimes you can appreciate those nice pictures having a meaning other than "they're just nice".

@xnamkcor 7 лет назад

allyamv Otherwise, Pablo Picasso would have only made one "art".

@LokrowN 7 лет назад

allyamv I would argue whether art is used politically or is even intended to be political, it is inherently a political medium. So while a piece of art intended for entertainment purposes might choose to ignore its political aspect, it doesn't as much mean it doesn't exist. But you are right, my statement is quite didactic. IT comes from having to continuously explain that one can't make art without a political aspect. So maybe instead of saying it can only be called art when used politically, I should say: art is at its best when making use/being aware of its inherent politics.

@xnamkcor 7 лет назад

Lokrow P Sounds like you just made up a definition to support your own opinion.

@TheLaughingOut 7 лет назад

Pretty much nailed it. To try and depoliticize something is a political act in itself.

@donatodiniccolodibettobardi842 7 лет назад

TheLaughingOut Does that mean, that self-defense in itself is violence and should be treated accordingly?

@TheLaughingOut 7 лет назад

What it means is that denying the political implications of a thing has political outcomes and political intentions. You could ask if self defense is violence or if getting naked is dressing or if ignoring your question is answering your question, but if you did it would be missing the point. Not all negations of a thing are also the thing.

@donatodiniccolodibettobardi842 7 лет назад

Interesting...

@brockmckelvey7327 7 лет назад

@PBS Idea Channel I don't know if you'll see this, but A) I like the end screen idea but B) this one was a bit crowded and I couldn't see the credits :( I mean, I can always go back to previous episodes to see them, but I just like making sure that credits are always there/visible

@TheEvilVargon 7 лет назад

I generally dislike the idea of having a spectrum of genders. Just male and female. However, Maxim has done a brilliant job. Id love to see non-labeled gender choices in more games.

@Houdini111 7 лет назад

Same. I don't' touch the genders topic with a thousand foot pole.... usually. But they way they allow each person to optionally choose to mix and match whatever they want is a great way to solve the issue. One thing that I hate above most is restrictions, and this ability to customize (even if I never use it) is always a great thing to have to counteract those limits.

@plasticbutler 7 лет назад

Here's an idea. Talk about West World.

@SSmotzer 7 лет назад

So you're saying that terms regarding gender is arbitrary and ultimately irrelevant, and the nuances of the individual aren't strictly defined by the overarching terms people label themselves when it comes to gender?

@MrMisanthrope_ 7 лет назад

people be problematic when it comes to gender just to be different

@mrkandle913 7 лет назад

Mr Misanthrope though I'd go alittle more generalized then that and say "People are problematic." but in essence you are correct.

@mrkandle913 7 лет назад

SSmotzer How I see it - is in our current ideological/Cultural climate gender is a form of currency in which by either claiming to either adhere to the binary or not we as a society have put a monetized value for acceptance that shouldn't, at least in my opinion, exist. To put in into layman's terms we put far to much value on what we are verses whom we are. I am a Straight White Cis Male which to me are simply a descriptive list but In other circles is is the worst crime I could commit whether or not I made that choice consciously or even had the choice to begin with. Who I am in many academic circles holds less value then What I am.

@MrMisanthrope_ 7 лет назад

***** " They only limit our thinking." but we need language to express ourselves even how limiting it is. labels are form of language we use to communicate efficently to others

@SSmotzer 7 лет назад

Mr Kandle Then those academic circles are not worth your time, until they change. In my 25 years on this Earth, I have seen things come and go, like the wind. This "gender" fad is no different, and only children will cling to such things. Although, I have also seen my fair share of childish adults... hmm....

@OozoTheClown 7 лет назад

What's the name of the tune that plays at 7:43 ?

@JauntyDaftod 5 лет назад

“Cargo pants for everyone” is what we need

@vitamindubya 7 лет назад

It feels like there's no way to talk about indentity politics without pandering to one group and inflaming another. Which is why the comments/likes are always insane

@Stars-Mine 7 лет назад

I dont know if its a misconception, Clearly people give a shit who people identify as. You might not, but you are a person, not people.

@Kralabaka 7 лет назад

Yeah what is the deal with bee movie?

@pbsideachannel 7 лет назад

The Bee Movie But Every Time They Say "Bee" Mike Explains What The Deal With the Bee Movie Is

@bbonvallet 7 лет назад

Bee movie is 1h 31m. The word bee is said 173 times (according to random reddit post). The average PBS Idea Channel video is maybe 8 minutes? (discounting response) Proposed video would be approximately 24 and a half hours.

@andresarancio6696 7 лет назад

A full, beautiful day, plus credits

@joealias2594 7 лет назад

Politics is the negotiation of power. Something is "apolitical" to those to have the power when that thing only reinforces and does not threaten that power, because no negotiation is happening. To those who do not have power, most things are political. One resents when the "apolitical" is made "political" because it represents a threat to their power. To learn to see something as political is to learn the ways in which it intertwines with power you probably didn't earn.

@danilthorstensson8902 7 лет назад

His irises are huge. They almost encompass his entire eyes that's crazy hahah

@Kayleigh_McKee 7 лет назад

As a trans woman, I love the sims additions

@Xidnaf 7 лет назад

I'm not sure I like this review/criticism distinction, mostly because I see something's politics, "what it is, how it functions and what it does, both itself and to us," as intimately connected to its "worthwhileness." Like, no matter how beautifully written and shot a movie is I'm not going to enjoy it nearly as much if it also happens to be nazi propaganda. Inversely, a major reason I like Steven Universe so much is because I approve of its politics. Sure, you can love something and also criticize it, and I'd even go along with the assertion that it's the most worth-while and influential things that are most worthy of criticism. But when when we feel disappointment when the things we love fall short of our expectations, doesn't that detract, at least a little, from its "worthwhileness"?

@AgusSimoncelli 7 лет назад

First of all, when the fuck are you going to upload a video again?? (Not trying to be aggressive btw) Second, I think that "worthwhileness" is not necessarily the same as "likeableness(?)", he does characterized something worthwhile as something influential or meaningful later in the video, which would be the most correct definition. I think that he just didn't cover the idea negative criticism in the video. Also, I can only speak for myself of course, but I do tend to (maybe) overthink and be more demanding with things that I love or that I'm hyped about (or either things I totally hate), which leads to a higher scrutiny and criticism of that thing.

@MouseAndShiraz 7 лет назад

I got to the part where Mike said "The people who have high expectations for something are invested in its success, not failure." I paused there, and proceeded to go on a Tweetstorm about how this reminded me of the Rimworld debacle on Rock Paper Shotgun. I was inspired and wanted to get it out before the video went on to derail that train of thought. ... and then I returned to finish watching the video. And naturally, it jumps straight into Rimworld, saying basically the same things. Just, y'know, more articulate and well-researched. Boy do I feel silly! Oh well, credit where it's due. But, you and me, PBS Idea Channel. We get each other.

@calimerohnir3311 7 лет назад

By the way the "[Flexible] gender identity" at 2:15 was originally a troll (On 4chan I think but I'm not sure) the third and fourth of which are meant to represent masturbation.

@calimerohnir3311 7 лет назад

The working title of the next Sims game: "Why the democrats lost the election"

@catherineditheridge9440 7 лет назад

Because getting 3 million more votes than the opposition isn't always enough for a win in the US?

@DarkPrject 7 лет назад

Because if stuff goes wrong put it on trans people. Humanity's favorite scapegoat since the dawn of civilization. Likely even longer. Trans people! If you can't be bothered to use your brain. Now also available in non-binary genders.

@ClarkManorDesign 7 лет назад

Getting 3 million more votes, winning the game that DOESN'T determine the president. it's like playing a Overwatch tournament, losing, but saying you won a game of CS:GO against your opponent at the same thime.

@casersatz 7 лет назад

No. The reason for that would be people's tendency to rally under totally vacuous phrases appealing to their vanity. Much like your comment.

@calimerohnir3311 7 лет назад

+casersatz If you were speaking about me it seems you may have missed the point. My comment was a throwback to a controversy about a joke made on Saturday Night Lives. Here is a link: ijr.com/2016/11/742517-snl-flips-the-script-with-very-un-pc-joke-on-why-democrats-lost-the-election-it-didnt-go-over-well/

@somerando8615 7 лет назад

OK man if you were stuck on an alien planet full of disinterested lesbians you'd be bummed out too. But let's talk about the "intersection" of money and politics since that came up in the video. 7:00 There are a lot of people in the media who have discovered that outrage can get you traffic, and traffic gets you revenue. A lot of the identity politics I see nowadays is just the natural evolution of clickbait journalism. In one year Anita Sarkeesian managed to outrage herself into more money than my parents have in a retirement account saved up over an entire lifetime. You can make a lot of money upsetting the easily offended. So yes, I would call most modern media critics today "enterprising crybabies".

@JohnnyStreets 7 лет назад

Great video, and in my opinion, an incredibly important concept to understand. One of the frustrating parts things of attempting to discuss Anita Sarkeesian's videos was the inability of so many people to understand what she was even trying to do. They took her criticism of tropes within gaming as equivalent to tearing down the games themselves, going so far as to disbelieve that she was a gamer herself. When you watch the videos, it's clear that the series is an attempt to improve something she loves, rather than an attempt to tear down something she hates. Too many people do not understand the difference or refuse to.

@GuilhermeCarvalhoComposer 7 лет назад

Holy crap, this whole episode made me want to stand up and applaud non-stop basically from half a minute in up to the end. This is so very important, and something I keep (and _will keep_) saying every year to my musicology students. Criticism _assumes_ a work's worth to talk about it. Politics is _always_ present when you're addressing an audience, and maybe doubly so if you're constructing the very rules of this address as you're doing it. Well done and thanks, Mike. Thike.

@jondreauxlaing 7 лет назад

I feel like I'm probably getting into muddy territory here, but in the interest of "criticism" and respectful discussion, here I go. "Identity Politics" is already a loaded word, but I'm going to try and maneuver around this. In your video, you (maybe intentionally, maybe not) suggested that identity politics is an inherent feature of different types of people engaging. I actually think your criticism of gender runs counter to that. You laud the Sims in its eschewing of labels to identify different gender expressions, but in my experience, identity politics does exactly the opposite by painstakingly assembling labels to form an "identity". I personally feel that the way you tackle gender is more progressive than identity politics. People aren't a hodge-podge of identity labels, but exist in a space outside labels. If anything, the labels serve to box us in further and in a way play to the strengths of a white supremacist society. So, in the same way that you've "queered" gender, I think the more progressive approach is to queer identity as well. This is not something I typically see in "identity politics" proper. That's not to say that identities can't helpful in analyzing systems of oppression, but I think it's important to keep in mind that for many of these "identities", they can be something we perform, but also something that is applied to us without our consent. Race, for example, is something that is applied to us by society, rather than having any solid biological basis. I think especially when talking about systems of oppression, it's important to see how identity can be used as a tool of oppression. Now, I'm well aware that people can use their identities in an self-affirming way, but I would argue that this is partially a reaction to the oppressive application of identity in our society. So, I guess what I'm saying is that identity politics isn't an inherent feature of people of diverse backgrounds engaging, but a feature of our society, which loves to label people, in particular. Hope I didn't come off too ranty...

@donatodiniccolodibettobardi842 7 лет назад

Jon Laing don't you think, that labeling other people is inherent feature of, well, people? Labeling gives us cognitive ease about predicting something/someone and estimating the potential reaction. Things that act too randomly are considered dangerous. Things, that are act predictably and in accord with label are considered to be safe. When labeled things start to deviate from the usual behavior, breaking our predictions apart, our sense of ease diminishes, we might feel threatened or sometimes curious, but the most common reaction is frustration. Labels isn't things they represent, but rather non-scientific theories (and even scientific theories have limited predictive power. It's hard to consider, that label is not what it represents. Labeling may as well be a defensive mechanism developed by apes to feel sense of confidence and power over the outside world, whether it's people we care and beware of or non-living phenomena. What shakes that sense of ease, comfort and power cannot be easily accepted. Society in this are not foreign entity, that imposes it's labels on things and forces us abide - it's labeling power derives from our need to label and categorize things. You can try to change a society, but in doing so you can't ignore the root cause. The problem I see with "thousands of gender" is that people will still find a way to adapt, to create new stereotypes and to force people to abide. And out of this people will rise "a society", that will do it because they parents did it. And so on. Consistent non-authoritarian take on other people identities and behavior requires feat no less, than telepathy. A power to read and feel someone's mind. To actually _know,_ what others are feeling and for them to _know_ what you are feeling. That way most of the labels will become irrelevant.

@HeadlessZombY 7 лет назад

this made me realize a bit more of what's happening in this situation. The reason there's so much societal stress over this issue I think goes deeper than traditional values being at ends with them. Our language can't currently support the distinctions between people efficiently enough for us to easily tell one identity from another, because of this, even people who do not care are resistant to explanations of gender identity. Our language can't support the ideas we're trying to express and so the entirety of society grinds against it. This massive creation of words is a symptom just as much as all the rest of it. We can go into explaining each difference in a lengthy process but that doesn't work for the actual amount of information being said, we feel that it should be a single word or phrase and yet our language simply doesn't have one that expresses that idea.

@uneek35 7 лет назад

This is a good argument, though it doesn't quite answer the question of who's playing identity politics and why it's such a threat? I feel like the sudden fight against identity politics is paranoid and lack nuance but that's just me.

@Skylos 7 лет назад

"race" is biological though. Not in the matter of "we are human they are not" but rather that there are very small, subtle differences between different "races". For example, asians are generally shorter than people in the west. This is because of the diet the people in the east have consumed throughout thousands of years and therefore they have developed certain genes that makes them shorter. Same with people with dark skin. They have dark skin because the enviroment they or their ancestors lived in have made them develop a gene that protects from the sun better, etc. But idk, I guess it really depends what you mean when you say "race". Whenever I hear "race" I think of simply ethnicity. If you mean "race" as in the more racist terms, then I think can agree with you better.

@Skylos 7 лет назад

Jon Laing Whenever I said "race" I was talking about what most people referred to ethnicity. And biologists and scientists HAVE seen differences between ethnicities.

@techniclepanther7538 7 лет назад

I disagree that criticism makes something worthwhile. For example, I could criticize Justin Bieber by saying that his music is a despicable leech on the hearts of millions worldwide. I also have no desire to listen to a Justin Bieber song. Therefore, I have criticized it, and it is not worth my while.

@jacobdriscoll8276 7 лет назад

You disagree with the video, but you don't seem to have watched it or understood it, given how you're using the term "criticism." I think you can do better.

@techniclepanther7538 7 лет назад

I think you can do better to be more specific about what you are referring too. Jacob Driscoll

@jacobdriscoll8276 7 лет назад

At 3:27 he lays out the distinction. Saying something "is a despicable leech on the hearts of millions worldwide" is a review, making a judgement about its worthwhileness, rather than taking its worthwhileness for granted.

@gillian6667 7 лет назад

But would you have bothered, other than to prove your point here? While I do think worthwhile was a bit of a misleading term, and criticism can be given to things we wholly don't like, it seems that usually we don't bother to criticize unless we believe something is important or valuable in some way (either to us or to others)

@TheBloodyloon 7 лет назад

Because you have not engaged with the media in question, you cannot then critique it. While a collectively accepted position (in your community) may provide a useful rule of thumb for which media is best to interact with (your time is valuable, be wise how you spend it), a position of ignorance isn't able to produce meaningful critique or review. TL:DR Don't tell me about Africa if ya haven't been there.

@blakecooley2292 7 лет назад

I'm surprised that there was no mention of Anita Sarkeesian or Feminist Frequency. She has explained abundantly that a lot of her criticism of games and cultural tropes stems from her love of those things and that seems like something that would have fit in really well with the theme and tone of this topic.

@Robert-qq9em 7 лет назад

I've enjoyed Idea Channel for a few years but I feel like recently the quality has taken a big jump. I'm loving the direction this channel has been going and hope you guys keep it up. These topic dives just get better and better.

@milestehmad117 7 лет назад

inb4 shit show

@CharleeCharlie 7 лет назад

why is gender usefull? I really don't get it...

@erelde_ 7 лет назад

Organizing life in large groups of social animals. Categorizing into easily identifiable categories allow for easier distribution of roles within the herd I guess.

@InMaTeofDeath 7 лет назад

Marketing.

@mikeofcetacea 7 лет назад

Because identity is integral to human life and our presentation of gender is a way in which we express our identities.

@MrMisanthrope_ 7 лет назад

to stereotype

@ArgoIo 7 лет назад

People just like to put themselves into boxes.

@TheSexyN3RDZ 7 лет назад

What's the point of gender anyway?

@somerando8615 7 лет назад

to make babies!

@HughDingwall 7 лет назад

Nah, that's the function of sex. Gender doesn't really have a purpose, it's more that it built up over time and we've not found a good way of getting rid of it.

@genghiskahl4102 7 лет назад

Hugh Dingwall - Gender identity does have an effect on attraction though.

@HughDingwall 7 лет назад

Yeah, but that's not constant across cultures. There are cultures where gender is quite different from the way it's construed in "the West" which suggests that being attracted to particular gender signifiers is a cultural thing, along with personal taste.

@evilshrimpy 7 лет назад

The purpose of gender was probably originally to help stratify the workforce into specialties. For example, Women do X kind of work to support the community, Men do Y kind of work to support the community. Given that falling reproductively into one sex or another is the most common mode of biology, at least in humans, the concept of gender is linked to sex; it's not difficult to tell which members of a community are able to carry pregnancies, as a crude diagnostic. Babies, and the production of them, are one of many ways that humans can be divided into categories of roughly equal size. You may find that there are, in fact, many such ways to divide humans. I would categorize gender as we have it today as an evolution of that concept, which has undergone many changes throughout the millennia since its inception-- much as is the case with biological evolution. As a result, many concepts are wrapped up in the concept of gender that might Culture is not a stagnant force, rather it is an ever-changing ecosystem of values and performative behaviors, for good or ill. What value this system has is a judgement that can only be made with any force by each individual human being.

@DestinyQx 7 лет назад

Statements: 1) All media involves politics (claimed by video) 2) Idea Channel is a form of media 3) Idea Channel involves politics 4) Politics is the distribution and maintenance of power (defined by video) 5) Here's an idea: Idea Channel is a political organization that distributes power to its audience, but unlike distributing physical candy to physical trick-or-treaters, since power cannot be tangibly distributed to its viewers, and since any distribution of ideas depends on the ability of viewers to understand said ideas, Idea Channel can only at best distribute the potential of some not yet defined form of power in future 6) So, Idea Channel is not actually political in nature 7) Thus, not all media involves politics 8) DFTBA

@LegoSnakeproductions 7 лет назад

Even though I really adore your videos and this channel Michael, I think this video was a bit too based on opinions and emotions than facts for me(A bit too biased), since it is a fact that both in humans and nature gender is (with extremely few exceptions) a binary.

@LegoSnakeproductions 7 лет назад

The rest of the video, after you get out of the Sims, is actually really good.

@julia-mu1si 7 лет назад

Average Slytherin Gender isn't binary nor is biological sex

@asia246222 7 лет назад

Average Slytherin The world resists simplicity at every possible turn, and human beings resist it even more out of spite. How can our squishy, meaty, malleable bodies and minds be expected to hold the same 0 or 1 shape perfectly over 7 billion times? The sooner we recognize and celebrate that fact the better.

@LegoSnakeproductions 7 лет назад

Sitting on Ceilings I fully agree with you, I think the main problem is that some people go by a certain definition of gender and other go by another, my conception of gender is more aligned with Merriam-Webster's which is a synonym of the word sex Definition of sex according to Merriam-Webster: 1 : either of the two major forms of individuals that occur in many species and that are distinguished respectively as female or male especially on the basis of their reproductive organs and structures 2 : the sum of the structural, functional, and behavioral characteristics of organisms that are involved in reproduction marked by the union of gametes and that distinguish males and females

@catherineditheridge9440 7 лет назад

It's not really as simple as that. About 1.7 % of human births are intersex of some sort. That's over 100 million people worldwide. onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/(SICI)1520-6300(200003/04)12:2%3C151::AID-AJHB1%3E3.0.CO;2-F/abstract There is also a large amount of research into the biological causes of gender dysphoria much of which point towards cross sex brain development.

@stohbot7084 7 лет назад

First?

@repker 7 лет назад

ohohoho

@Sun-ez3bc 7 лет назад

Stohbot nyees

@stohbot7084 7 лет назад

First!

@peardude8979 7 лет назад

Yes ou are, my friend!

@Sophistry0001 7 лет назад

I think there's just certain topics that no media can touch without bringing in some bit of politics. I don't think anyone would argue that the game of tetris itself is political, but when a game starts getting into ideas like gender, sexuality, and roles, it's impossible to do without bringing the baggage that comes with it. Even if the dev is the most tolerant person ever, his views and bias will make their way into the code, and the game's situations.

@timm_3r 7 лет назад

That's the most considerate thing EA has done in decades. I wonder if it's exclusive DLC or just an update.

@scribejay 7 лет назад

It's just an update.

@CristiNeagu 7 лет назад

A review is a subset of critique. A review is meant to describe to other potential users the experience provided by the thing reviewed, while critique is meant to describe to the creators said experience, while also providing personal opinion of the direction of the development process. Reviews describe what is and what you'll get. Critique describes what is, what should be, and what the critic hoped to get. Reviews describe the present. Critiques describe a possible future and how the present might get there. Reviews are resigned with the fact that the product is finished and it represents the final experience. Critique hopes to change what is in favour of what should be.

@bnerd1 7 лет назад

The line of code in rimworld stops you from playing a gay women if you want to play optimally

@robthehitmanrude 7 лет назад

I could have liked or disliked this video. Instead i was resolute in doing neither.

@FizzoWeird 7 лет назад

It's interesting, because I live in Brazil, where one of our biggest debates of this year, is that our congressmen are trying to create a project calleg "school without politics" were any lesson in school that might incline a student to agree with left-wing ideology (and not only, teaching about the importance of Karl Marx or criticizing capitalism in class, or teaching abour the Russian Revolution without painting Lenin as the Devil, but of course that includes debates of a liberal agenda such as abortion, drugs, gay rights, race equality, gender, and all other themes that a teacher could potentially bring it up in class), will be banned from schools and the teacher potentially fired. This project is under the impression that our youth are being manipulated in school to elect left-wing partys for the last elections, and that school is no place for politics, only for education, as if those subjects were separated. What most of the critics of this project claim is that in facts wanting to create an environment without politics, is politics, is a political act to ban politics were it is inconvenient for groups of power.

@ezz625 7 лет назад

If I had got a piece of pie for every gender, how many pieces of pie would I have gotten? 2 pieces.

@mn01_ 7 лет назад

The ironing is that the piece of code in question is probably capturing human behavior pretty well.

@Crazegirl23 7 лет назад

Hey Mike -- have you ever thought about doing a video on The Beginner's Guide? Are you even aware of its existence? It sort of purposefully didn't get a lot of media coverage when it first came out. I bring it up because I think it's very related to this discussion here; this idea of review vs. critique. Beginner's Guide asserts a lot of very intense ideas about how an audience "should" respond to or treat a piece of media, and why. It brings the fundamentals of audience/author communication into serious question, so much so that I actually hesitate to confidently submit any of the sentences in this paragraph. I really think you should make a video on it, though, because it's exploring a lot more than just that and it really deserves to be analyzed. (And it has been analyzed, mind you, but a lot of this analysis has been focused on that "core" discussion about the audience/author relationship and I wouldn't mind seeing the discussion expanded a bit further.) At any rate, I think you'd get a lot out of it even without making a video. So here it is if you aren't already familiar. Cheers. store.steampowered.com/app/303210/

@SockTaters 7 лет назад

It is an incredibly small percentage of people who don't identify with either gender, so I don't think it's so egregious if some game doesn't represent them. Like, we don't complain if a game lacks amputees or people with mohawks, but we do if they don't have any characters that aren't male or female.

@BeinDraug 7 лет назад

Not sure if that pronunciation of Voilà was intentional or not. The correct pronunciation is Vwa-la. Viola(Vi-o-la) is a musical instument

@ananasupreme 7 лет назад

Maxis no longer exists since 2015, another studio is taking care of the game.

@RossLlewallyn 7 лет назад

I enjoyed the text popping up at the bottom with your main points. It helped keep things grounded.

@lcvamp242 7 лет назад

I'd like to see an Idea Channel about identity politics and media portrayal. I'd like to see this because I'm autistic. There are many characters in the media of past decades who are identifiably autistic to one degree or another, not labeled as such, who are treated as neurologically typical within the context of the story. The primary example I can give is Allison from "The Breakfast Club." At the end of the story, she puts on makeup, changes her hair, changes clothing, and is paired with the jock, and lives happily ever after as a neurotypical girl.

@ripple9484 7 лет назад

I love this topic it's like talking to a pop machine about input vs income and you get a soada every time starting new accounts to change who you talk to no more

@chillmadude 7 лет назад

yes! now I can go make sims with ALL the genders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@bruceluiz 7 лет назад

"Cargo pants for everyone" Goddamnit, why isn´t it "money for everyone"? lol

@AC_Smitte 7 лет назад

I love this! I didn't know they had done this. This makes me happy, because not only is the media, progressing towards a non binary way of thinking, but so are the games, our kids play.

@AC_Smitte 7 лет назад

BenWillis Thats a very intriguing way of looking at it! So you don't feel like a Sim, or game should allow you to express how you feel in a virtual way? You think that gender fluidity has nothing to do with these other description of what makes our persona? I'm purely curious and am not looking to argue. I'm solely wanting a discussion.

@AC_Smitte 7 лет назад

BenWillis Oh ok, I see what you mean. I though the same thing when I saw it, but its a game, or a simulation to be exact, which allows us to play out our fantasies. I remember playing when I was 7 back when it was only the old one that didn't really let you do all these things. It would of been fun to play Sims and have all these choices. Make a female that can impregnate or the opposite, a male who gets pregnant. Its just a fun idea of roleplaying with life. Thats the purpose of the game. But I get what you mean! We shouldnt make everything like this as some sort of anti gender biasing. But imagine if they took it further. Your character getting a tail, or different obsessions or mental traits like OCD or being a furry. Maybe even a werewolf. Its a starting point of more freedom in the games we love to play.

@9365fall 7 лет назад

I started laughing when i realized that the maxis solution was to make gender emerge in the same way classes did from the cliche pick your class questions in RPGs.

@Alex1jag 7 лет назад

A review is made in order to inform consumers of the quality of the product based on the reviewer's bias. If your personal bias, likes and tastes match that of the reviewer the "score" will carry a meaning to you of whether to engage with said product, at the same time if your tastes don't match it will also inform you if the product is for you but on an inverse level. 　 Criticism is the personal bias of a person often but not always against a product, it holds no weight on whether enjoyment can be gain from, but instead attempts to conform the product to the users own bias. a reviewer informs but a critic's attempt, is to change the readers views to match, and affirm those of the writer. A critic cares not for the purpose, audience, culture or artistic principle of the item being criticized but instead judges said item on their personal, political, social and cultural views with out consideration toward the creator and their views.

@hellblaze10 7 лет назад

I always wonder when ever i hear stuff about gender identification or orientation, Why do we cair so much about what we identify as?

@Noah-fn5jq 7 лет назад

I can sympathize with this view. Being a straight male, I'm at a disadvantage of understanding this though. It seems (like all psychological issues) if we create a classification, someone will identify with it (even if the were previously unaware that that was who they were). It seems a logical conclusion (again coming from a point of second hand experience at best) that most (not all) people buy into these classifications because they want to be special and different. It seems more simple to just rate the following statements: "I am attracted to those that I assume I can procreate with unaided by scientific intervention." and "my mental self image matches my physical self."

@SciJoy 7 лет назад

Glad the podcast is back (one of two podcast I listen to on 1x and not 2.5x) and excited for you to guest host for P4A.

@a2pabmb2 7 лет назад

Watched this while under the influence of LSD. This is how I'm watching all future Idea Channel videos from now on. 10/10 suck it PBS

@The_Powerhouse_Of_The_Cell 7 лет назад

I had this same argument about politics-free media with my theater teacher last week, and it was really interesting. It was incurred by an in-class discussion of a post-colonial reading of The Tempest. The debate basically devolved to one about the merits of historical criticism and new criticism (in which I was firmly on the side of the latter). Just thought it was a funny coincidence. That does bring me to an idea though, how about an episode about different critical theories, with their pros and cons. I think that would be pretty entertaining.

@drackar 7 лет назад

This Rimworld thing sounds... disturbingly accurate to reality, actually. People get fixated on people that won't date them for any number of reasons, gender and sexuality included. And often, this causes some pretty serious depression issues.

@sedonaparnham2933 7 лет назад

It's kind of amazing, I had to deal with something like this today. I watch a D&D campaign on Twitch and someone criticized the show, arguing about a lack of diversity and that the channel should have put that in to consideration. I get that. I'm all for diversity, but also I know the circumstances of why the show is a mostly white cast. It's because the game was a private run campaign for a year before they were asked to put it on the air. They weren't going to change up the people they had been playing with in a story that had been running for over a year at that point. That's not fair to the players. I explained this as calmly as I possibly could. Apparently they didn't want to hear it and I had to block someone I had once respected. It happens. I'll get over it. But it really drives home the problem with outrage culture and criticism in today's culture and that people easily mistake the two. Sometimes you end up being critical of something you haven't put as much research in to as you thought you did. Sometimes you see people who just want to be angry and see anyone trying to rebut against that argument or defend themselves as a personal attack. They WON'T give it a chance. They want to be mad at it and hate it for being wrong. This kind of mindset in turn makes people automatically defensive of criticisms and assume the worst about anyone being passionately critical about anything, which just becomes this infuriating spiral in to the shitshow that is internet fights. It's why I'll still get my head bitten off for vocalizing certain tropes in film or games. "OH MY GOD IT'S JUST A MOVIE GET OVER IT." I'm hoping that we can get out of this mindset in the near future. I think criticism is healthy. I think it's also healthy to disagree with some criticism and actually discuss it like civilized human beings. I think you can learn a lot about yourself and the people around you.