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Alex O'Connor is incredible in this episode as he explains the unholy alliance of Richard Dawkins and Jordan Peterson (New Atheists & Religious Conservatives). He also looks into conspiracy theories, sloganeering of facile political views, transgender ideology, Palestine and the afterlife. #heretics #genderidentity #antiwoke
Alex O'Connor is one of my favourite RU-vidrs. Subscribe to his brilliant channel: @CosmicSkeptic
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Who is Alex?:
Alex J. O’Connor is founder of the “Cosmic Skeptic” (now just his name) RU-vid channel, podcast and blog, platforms dedicated to the publication of philosophical ideas and debates in an accessible format.
A graduate of philosophy and theology from St. John’s College, Oxford University, Alex is an international public speaker and debater, having delivered addresses across multiple continents at conferences, universities, and local drinking groups, as well as debated ethics, religion, and politics with a number of high-profile opponents before college audiences, on radio talk shows and on national television.
Chapters:
0:00 Highlights
1:00 Richard Dawkins vs Jordan Peterson
6:00 Why woke beliefs are scarier than religion
9:00 Atheism less culturally relevant
10:00 Jordan Peterson’s Language with Richard Dawkins
11:30 What does atheist activism even mean?
13:30 Why it’s so hard to criticise Trump
14:30 What’s Next After Woke
16:30 ‘Trans Women’ Litmus Test
19:30 My Body My Choice Slogan
22:00 What does Free Palestine mean? (Andrew sings Michael Jackson)
25:00 Advice for activists with slogans
27:00 How to argue wth flat earthers (religion)
30:00 When conspiracy theories are right
31:18 The Preface Paradox
33:30 Is murder wrong?
36:00 Evil people think they’re doing good
38:00 Why there is no such thing as a ‘good’ act?
44:00 Would you rather kill an innocent person or…?
46:00 Suspicious of moral people
50:00 Sam Harris & Death
52:00 What We Don’t Know About the Afterlife
55:00 Where does the color red exist?
58:00 Curing Death & Living Forever
1:01:00 The Passing of Time
1:05:00 Sacrificing Self for Kids
1:08:00 A Heretic Alex Admires
Stock Media provided by PenroseAudio / Pond5. License Acquired. Music by Davis Withane.

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@desertsand8778 4 месяца назад

Alex really has a good sense of time when he said it felt like an hour after one hour and a minute of speaking

@andrewgoldheretics 4 месяца назад

It was one hour exactly - remember, we added the intro highlights, which are 1 min long. Spooky.

@CatrinaDaimonLee 4 месяца назад

absolutely, this sense of time is the single most important part of this video, no doubt. i walked away in awe. nothing else matters, my friends, nothing. @@andrewgoldheretics

@desertsand8778 4 месяца назад

@@CatrinaDaimonLee lol

@squoblat 4 месяца назад

That comes from formal debate training I think.

@skepticusmaximus184 4 месяца назад

He could get a job at William Palley and Sons precision watchmakers.

@skepticusmaximus184 4 месяца назад

10:12 "Sometimes he just revs. To what end?" Perhaps he's elated by reving. So he may be having a rev-elation.

@skepticusmaximus184 4 месяца назад

And if you reveal your reveling in revulsion, by his reviewing your reviling the revving, it may result in revolution, leading to a revision of the revulsion to the revving.

@GoogleIsTooInvasive 3 месяца назад

🤭

@skepticusmaximus184 3 месяца назад

@@GoogleIsTooInvasive I love the name, and agree. 😉👍

@macmac1022 3 месяца назад

LOL

@pierreluc5382 3 месяца назад

@@skepticusmaximus184 reveallo ice cream bars yummm

@Lordofthewhyz 4 месяца назад

I can’t believe this guy. It already feels like he’s explored so much of the world of politics and philosophy already and he’s only in his mid twenties. A pleasure to listen to. Well done Andrew 👏🏻

@gifmesome 4 месяца назад

Hopefully he'll realise how much time he's wasted on all this nonsense before he hits 30.

@user-yf3zr8yv9d 4 месяца назад

처음에는 얼굴만 보고 아저씨인 줄 알았는데요. 알고보니, 20대 중반이네요😅

@interceptionunit6666 4 месяца назад

@@gifmesomespending time differently than you do doesn't make it "wasted"

@phillystevesteak6982 4 месяца назад

is it a waste if thats his hobby? its fun for him lol @@gifmesome

@alekhinesgun9997 4 месяца назад

@@gifmesome I'll make sure to tell him that he should be commenting on youtube dictating how others should live their lives instead, that's a much better use of his time

@chuletajones6833 4 месяца назад

I honestly don't see a logical difference between saying trans-women are women and adopted parents are parents. Both have a biological aspect attached but the difference is we socially accept adopted parents as parents even though they're technically not biological parents.

@uselessgarbagehandler 4 месяца назад

Interesting point. People are more than happy to accept the social/cultural dimensions associated with the words we use up until the moment it suddenly infringes on their political/religious beliefs (and often the unfortunate and messy fusion of both)

@robertmarshall2502 4 месяца назад

The difference would be that the bar to be an adoptive parent is higher. You aren't considered an adoptive parent just because you say you are. I can't just claim to adopt a child. You also accept that you aren't a biological parent. You can't say that biological parents don't exist nor does the whole concept of sex. Saying trans women are women in terms of gender but not sex is possible but then they have to fulfill some kind of requisites about being a woman (let's be honest trans ideology doesn't care about men's roles) in a gendered sense. Which is to many ppl the bullshit stereotype part. It rather inconveniently also rules out the vast majority of trans ppl. And non-trans ppl. The adoptive parent has to fulfill the far more important role. Ppl who say trans women are women regularly try to rewrite the word woman for themselves. Adoptive parents simply try to be the best version of parents they can be for the child. I'm not saying you're wrong. Trans ideology is.

@chuletajones6833 4 месяца назад

@@robertmarshall2502 you're strawmaning what being trans is. Trans people aren't saying they are biological men or women. They're saying they belong in the same category socially. Yes, in a way you can call it "redefining" but you'd be more accurate saying "updating" instead. We got new data which has updated our understanding of social dynamics. People aren't just their chromosomes. How we interact with each other is important and far more complicated then that. I have a lot more to add but im curious to read your response.

@chuletajones6833 4 месяца назад

@@robertmarshall2502 oh and I ignored the "bar" point because thats irrelevant to the central point being made. One could consider someone else a parental figure for many different reasons. Imprinting is one possible example.

@robertmarshall2502 4 месяца назад

@@chuletajones6833 I'm not strawmanning what being trans is. You're ignoring what it means for a bunch of trans ppl that don't fit conveniently into your definition. Go tell trans ppl they're strawmanning themselves should you so wish. There are literal trans athletes claiming to be female. There are numerous trans ppl claiming to have female brains. "Born in the wrong body" is effectively a central tenet of the gender cult. There is a pulitzer prize winning trans woman who thinks being a woman is an "open mouth, an expectant arse hole". The famous actress that got Jordan Peterson in trouble believes she is a man because she is attracted to women. What non-binary ppl believe is often a mystery to themselves and agender is effectively 99.9% of ppl. I think you're also forgetting that the absolutely key definition of woman in trans ideology is "someone who identifies as a woman". Please note that those who hold this view will tell you that woman can't mean anything else. It can't be understood in terms of sex. It can't be understood in terms of gender as a social not individual phenomenon. I think you and I could probably agree that, for example, a male who fulfills the gender role of a woman could be considered a woman in terms of gender should that society identify him as such. But trans ideology wouldn't. It rides this odd wave of requiring no outside affirmation and all. There are trans ppl who don't think males should use female spaces or compete in female sport or require cross-sex hormones simply for a social identity but clearly the loudest elements don't hold these views. And none of these arguments make sense if it is purely social. That's before we even get onto the more reasonable but oddly positioned trans ppl who think trans has to include gender dysphoria. BTW I don't think they're redefining gender. They're reverting to stereotypes from before when I was born for me. I also think you've missed the point that the parent idea comes from outside whereas trans is internal as well as that being "a parental figure" and being an adoptive parent are not the same. An adoptive parent would be more like getting a gender recognition certificate. Very few trans ppl try to get them.

@PianoDentist 4 месяца назад

That must have been Peter Hitchens outside revving his car, taking an inordinate amount of time to leave!

@sajisama24 3 месяца назад

lol, he took his sweet fucking time to leave didn't he? What a clown that dude is XD.

@germalina9879 3 месяца назад

😂

@Psris123 2 месяца назад

Lol. Saw that vid of him storming out

@878dynamis 4 месяца назад

"To what end are you revving, sir?" lol good stuff

@samanthavandusen 4 месяца назад

Omg, fr lmfao 🤣 😂

@user-ph8zs6xt8y 4 месяца назад

I'm sure there's a correlation between male UK MP's and the cubic capacity of their motor vehicles. The bigger the engine, the smaller the member...(...of Parliament of course).

@samanthavandusen 4 месяца назад

@@user-ph8zs6xt8y yesss, this 😅😅😅😅🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤭🤭🤭🤭

@SMGAPR8 День назад

@@user-ph8zs6xt8yyou don't say, fast bikes, dikes down in the T valley, or riding horseback ?

@Rave.- 4 месяца назад

I appreciated Alex's gentle but firm push back on this host's responses to his positions. Andrew tried to take Alex's response and turn it into support for his own position several times, and Alex's immediate follow up was to bring the discussion back to neutral apolitical ground.

@dereksmalls7004 4 месяца назад

Or perhaps he was using the techniques of an interviewer.

@hawkname1234 4 месяца назад

@@dereksmalls7004 Mischaracterizing your interlocutor's response as support for your position is not the technique of a good internviewer.

@dereksmalls7004 3 месяца назад

@@hawkname1234 Perhaps you should not take it so seriously and cut people a little slack as your New Year Resolution?

@ForteFaiey 3 месяца назад

@@dereksmalls7004?

@Rave.- 3 месяца назад

@@dereksmalls7004 nope. probably shouldn't.

@alisondaly5560 4 месяца назад

I've been enjoying Alex's content for a long time but especially lately as he explores areas other than religion.

@Dewstend 3 месяца назад

His work on the Monarchy, Drugs, hell even Ethics on GTA are absolutely brilliant

@TheChaotiCake Месяц назад

@Dewstend Pretty sure all Alex talks about is drugs 💁

@originalhgc 4 месяца назад

You guys give Jordan Peterson a lot of respect. When I hear Dr Peterson talk, I can only just giggle at the fusillade of bullshit that he spews with so much self-importance.

@TheHreel 4 месяца назад

Good thing we saw through his bullshit, right? I hope more people are as smart as we are.

@iksaglam 4 месяца назад

Absolutely. I can't for the life of me understand why people hold Jordan Peterson and his constant word salads in such high regard.

@ScribblyDoodle 4 месяца назад

@@iksaglamsome of his word salads are good, some of them make no sense, and some of them are soups

@lencekk 4 месяца назад

I don't always agree with Jordan (especially on religion) but I have respect for him. I agree he sometimes speaks nonsense (especially some debates I've seen), but on many things he is right. He's been an important figure in the fight against wokeness. And I do think his intentions are good.

@ScribblyDoodle 4 месяца назад

@@lencekk I disagree with many of his opinions and rhetoric, but the amount of hate he's recieved from the woke is pretty wild, considering they are the ones who turned him into a celebrity by trying so hard to cancel him

@nat2057 4 месяца назад

this was so fun to watch. Alex has mental clarity and intellectual honesty unlike anything I've ever seen, the interviewer is so good at leading conversation too. V fun, what lovely men

@KulaGGin 4 месяца назад

Try Matt Dillahunty. You'll be surprised.

@audioporcupine3725 3 месяца назад

Unlike anything you’ve ever seen? Get out more.

@johnnkurunziza5012 3 месяца назад

How often do you explore these topics there’s not much that was said here that wasn’t already glaringly obvious to me atleast.

@onlysongs1607 3 месяца назад

@@audioporcupine3725, bro, getting out more would mean knowing close mind people 😭

@milantarbuk1039 4 месяца назад

"Why woke beliefs are scarier than religion" is a very misleading title for that section.

@franciscopostigogarcia2694 4 месяца назад

The title is right. They are scarier because they are turning atheist into religious-like extreme activists

@jerrodshack7610 4 месяца назад

"woke" is a meaningless term that just equates to "anything American conservatives don't like" at this point

@WindowLicker_-9 4 месяца назад

I'm pretty sure that's a fallacy as well. I don't know which one but it's either begging the question or presupposing the conclusion

@joshuagonsalves3904 3 месяца назад

Thought the exact same thing. Also, the #antiwoke in the description.

@kornklown420 3 месяца назад

"Woke" ideology has never resulted in inquisitions. There are plenty of examples you can use for religion being more dangerous than "wokeness", at least at this point in history.

@MrArdytube 4 месяца назад

A big problem is that brilliant people are also sometimes wrong… particularly when speaking about something outside their expertise. For example… Jordan Petersen Has a doctor of psychology… it does not make him an expert on virology or economics

@MrArdytube 4 месяца назад

@@Besthinktwice Yes, well, most of what he says would be rejected if he tried to publish it in a scientific journal. He mostly gives opinions, conjecture, and rationalized personal biases

@dxfifa 4 месяца назад

He's also very ignorant of theology and philosophy of religion yet yaps his gob

@brianmeen2158 4 месяца назад

Of course and this is why I laugh when people try to bash academics or intellectuals and try to completely discredit them Because they are wrong on a particular issue . There’s not a single intellectual in history that is right about everything

@MrArdytube 4 месяца назад

@@brianmeen2158 Of course the bashing is deserved to a greater or lesser extent based upon the pretension of any given intellectual., i observe that Petersen has an over abundance of pretension on a wide range of subjects in which he has no obvious basis of expertise,

@funkyfranx 4 месяца назад

@@Besthinktwice Such as?

@cinford 4 месяца назад

Started following and watching Alex...have real interest in philosophy and find him young and fresh in terms of explanations and questions. Thx Andrew for always being so generous in asking guests where we can visit as well as which heretic they admire-what a great question! Keep up great work, what a lovely chap you are, so natural, open and honest 👌

@kenecchi 4 месяца назад

Asking where the experience of redness is inside the brain is like asking where the software is inside of your computer; it's not sitting in there in a physical location per se, but it is more or less "in there" as the result of an information exchange process that occurs between tangible physical structures.

@InShadowsLinger 4 месяца назад

Mostly agree, just with a little caveat. You would be able to point where the software is physically located. It’s more the actions that the software performs that aren’t anywhere. I think better example would be AI. We know how to build it we know how it works in principle, but we would not be able to point out to specific physical location and say this is the part that generates redness in an image.

@awktsoloflyer 3 месяца назад

Another caveat to this, if we can be certain consciousness is a physical process self contained in the brain then we know that there must be a physical state that redness information is being represented in the form of information. While it seems emergent we know that for it to be experienced the state of redness exists. Being hard to find I would liken it to the exact location of an electron. We just don't have the tech/knowledge to observe this event. @@InShadowsLinger

@danielalbertogonzalezsoria4122 3 месяца назад

I agree hopefully one day we will be able to access our mods just like we access a computer 💻

@Aki-er6vh 4 месяца назад

Imagine having a discussion about how people simplify and reduce political conversation to slogans and then presenting Alex's points about rhetoric as "woke culture is replacing religion" or "why woke beliefs are scarier than religion". No self-awareness.

@lakingpaul 4 месяца назад

"presenting"? as in summarizing in a youtube title? The whole discussion about it was about how you can have a slogan and it can be useful in some ways, but you need to have nuance and substance and understanding behind it.

@BOREtism 4 месяца назад

@@lakingpaul I think the point is the summery is not mildly accurate to what was said by anyone. they were only talking about how religion used to be a hot topic, now its gender issues. Nothing about if it was better or worse. So yes, it is capitalizing on sensationalism, similar to slogans.

@lakingpaul 4 месяца назад

@@BOREtism it says "are replacing religion"... As in replacing them as a hot topic of the moment, which is what they discussed...

@williamappleford148 4 месяца назад

based take

@TVeldhorst 4 месяца назад

The word woke has lost its meaning entirely, extremely ill defined, while religion is still a very clear defined concept. The title of this video is not making sense.

@Rave.- 4 месяца назад

This got progressively more interesting the further the discussion went. I don't think had the opportunity to hear Alex talk much about the motivation behind altruism before.

@geomicpri 4 месяца назад

Alex is arguably the best thing on the internet. I’m a theist who is very grateful for internet personalities like WLC, Hugh Ross, etc.. But Alex is just someone who enriches every conversation. I wish I knew which pub he hangs out at after work.

@brianmeen2158 4 месяца назад

Is there a younger Up and coming WLC? I’m not religious but I think Craig is brilliant

@geomicpri 4 месяца назад

@@brianmeen2158 if you find one, let me know. Even though I disagree with some of his conclusions, you gotta say, he’s done his time! He’s studied for decades! There’s just no short-cut for becoming WLC.

@brianmeen2158 4 месяца назад

@@geomicprioh definitely Craig is great. I hope he’s training the young generation ..It may sound strange but I’m Rooting for the theists

@geomicpri 4 месяца назад

@@brianmeen2158 Bigot! 😜

@khanhminhnguyen7274 4 месяца назад

@@brianmeen2158 Do you root for the theists who are waiting for their opportunity to take away same-sex marriage or are you only okay with certain types of theists ?

@huguettebourgeois6366 4 месяца назад

Ah you guys, your minds are gifts to us. Thank you so much. minds like yours remind me that there is hope for this world. Keep talking, thinking, searching...love you guys - men are so cool!!!!

@ColinJarrett 4 месяца назад

To what end!?! It's good to see Alex in a conversion where he can crack a few funnies. I wish the BBC would offer Alex a TV slot.

@Enoch-Root 4 месяца назад

No way that'd happen. The BBC are too entrenched in woke ideology to give a platform to someone who will happily play with ideas, questioning, criticizing and defending them.

@PtylerBeats 3 месяца назад

The funny part, to me, is that I don’t think he said that to be funny. I think he was genuinely asking, “Is he going anywhere, or is he just revving his engine?” I think he’s genuinely questioning this guy’s motives and it just came across like a joke lol

@zeldagoblin 3 месяца назад

@@PtylerBeats True. But I'm pretty sure his crack about the massive penis was humor. 😂

@shiteetah 2 месяца назад

I’ve been watching Alex since he first began on RU-vid and have eagerly watched his progress. I’m pushing sixty and I’ve found people like Alex to be the rarest sort - brilliance tempered with sincere humility and eagerness to engage openly and honestly places him in the highest echelons of influential thinkers in my opinion. To me he is as great a philosopher as any who have come before him.

@ZER0-- Месяц назад

I'm pushing 60 too. The funny thing about philosophy is that it's only really open to the privileged who have the luxury of sitting about thinking about life and essentially giving some sort of meaning to themselves. And then there's those who work and don't have the time for such pursuits.

@rebeccaharris7650 4 месяца назад

Can't wait to watch this Andrew. Thanks so much for Heretics. A non-shouty breath of fresh air and sanity!

@ck58npj72 4 месяца назад

@@docwhammo What is evil to you dicknose?

@Sebbir 4 месяца назад

@@docwhammois that meant to counter his argument or just point out that evil comes from humanity?

@ghfgxijaorgf5393 4 месяца назад

@@docwhammo evil does not come only from humanity, its a human concept/construct, just like good, and so if there exist extraterrestial life, it will probably behave similar to us, even though they may not have created such concepts

@mkm1015 3 месяца назад

Help me out. Can Alex denounce the Holocaust and on what grounds if he is an emotivist and ethics are just subjective emotions that can't be true or false? Because he has that yikes feeling about killing but Nazis didn't have that yikes feeling about murdering people. So it's just a matter of different feelings, right? Maybe I didn't understand him, can someone explain it in simple words, thanks

@tonyclifton2230 3 месяца назад

@@Sebbiryeah is he saying religion is just made up just to get a dig in at humanity?

@vindisl908 4 месяца назад

I'm not sure if I agree with the "redness" argument, maybe I just don't understand it correctly. I have a lot of pictures and videos on my HDD, but if you cut it open you won't find any. They can only be processed by a machine, a PC (or whatever other device), just like "redness" in our brain can only be processed by a living organism. The difference is that we know how machines work, we built them after all, but how brain works is still a mystery for the most part.

@KevinUchihaOG 4 месяца назад

Sam Harris would disagree with being characterized as being an "american conservative", he is a liberal, which he has said himself many times over.

@realistic_delinquent 4 месяца назад

He’s an advocate for institutional aristocracy, where the aristocrats are determined by the superficial significance of their credentials. Whether this is a right wing or left wing proposition depends on who has the authority to award the credentials. So in this generation, Sam is a raving Leftist, but in the 40’s and 50’s he would have been right wing.

@RagggedTrouseredPhilanthropist 4 месяца назад

American Liberals often look like Conservatives to us in the UK.

@LiveWorkWander 4 месяца назад

I thought the same. And while the response above says “American liberals often look like conservatives…” in Alex’s part of the world, Alex didn’t say “conservative.” He specifically said “American conservative” and he does in fact know the difference. This is the first time I’ve ever heard Alex say something that made me double take. He’s usually pretty spot on. But Harris is emphatically not an American conservative. Not by a sight.

@jerrodshack7610 4 месяца назад

Meh, many American liberals are conservative by European standards

@88marome 3 месяца назад

liberals are as crazy as conservatives.

@JAYDUBYAH29 4 месяца назад

Alex has probably missed what Peterson has been up to since joining the Daily Wire. He’s mask off on his religious conservatism now. I suspect he was more cautious before in order to keep his audience options open as he was becoming famous. Now he’s established.

@InShadowsLinger 4 месяца назад

I couldn’t bear to listen to him but I would guess that his religiosity is more related to him being on the daily wire than a personal change. He is just incited to grift more because of the audience. It’s like joining the Fox News.

@alicianieto2822 3 месяца назад

Masks off or just loving the following and money? Sometimes thosr things change a lit about people

@SquirtlePower809 11 дней назад

I love seeing you people SO BOTHERED by Jordan Peterson!! You HATE that he absolutely wrecks your woke nonsense and is personally responsible for MILLIONS of people flocking to conservatism and anti-wokeness. He is easily the most brilliant mind of modern times.

@mike9512 5 дней назад

So if someone asks him if he believes in God, does he just say yes now? Or is it still a rambling thesis about "well it depends on what you mean by believe..."? And I don't mean that in a snarky way. Does he legit just answer the question now?

@SquirtlePower809 5 дней назад

@@mike9512 I honestly think it's the toughest issue for Jordan. And because he hasn't fully figured it out for himself, he has a hard time giving a simple answer. He has been very open about the fact that the question of God has kept him up more nights than he would like to admit and that it terrifies the hell out of him. I mean, he breaks down crying about it sometimes when he talks about it. So, I just think he is wrestling with the idea of God and his spirit and until he sorts it out, we will continue to get vague answers.

@andrewgoldheretics 4 месяца назад

Alex is one of my favourite speakers, this is mind-blowing. Hit like, notify, and tell me below what you think is more culturally relevant: woke vs religion?

@STST 4 месяца назад

Woke. I once believed in flat earth. I would like to come and chat about how the lies of government has meant the belief in conspiracy is on the rise within the general public.

@marigoann2755 4 месяца назад

Woke IS a religion, especially with how outright dogmatic it is in practice and nature. The difference is that it's a non-divine one.

@pez--- 4 месяца назад

Alex is cool

@pez--- 4 месяца назад

needs a buzzcut tho

@lampb0obs 4 месяца назад

why are you guys pretending like these are complicated ideas, you understand them you just, would prefer to act like they don't make sense Because you just don't like it. you're acting like other people are trying to control you by not wanting to be discriminated against, it's ridiculous

@cabbagebaker 4 месяца назад

Yes, the sloganization of arguments and/or politics! I've been thinking about that for a while now and I've noticed a lot of people will tend to argue against the slogan itself vs any actual arguments and it drives me nuts. I have a family member who thinks he's pretty smart cuz he'll argue against the slogan.

@88mphDrBrown 4 месяца назад

All of the political slogans regarding policy I've seen have done more harm than good. "Defund the police" was a nightmare. It became the argument and policy. A social conversation that should've been about police accountability, law enforcement militarization, police capabilities with mental health, etc. became "this group wants to completely abolish police".

@RaveyDavey 4 месяца назад

Then stop using slogans. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

@cabbagebaker 4 месяца назад

@RaveyDavey I believe slogans have their place (as I believe Alex mentions) but that place is not in arguing or debating the merits of a position.

@rubencampos6298 4 месяца назад

@@RaveyDavey the irony 😂

@3cpeter 2 месяца назад

45:35 the firefighter example. The motivation could also be one of compassion. So instead of the firefighter, not being able to live with himself, he knows how devastating it would be for the parents, if the child died. So he runs into the building, not for his own sake, but for the sake of others .

@MrJacktheGC123 2 месяца назад

Yeah, agree. Also my initial gut reaction to Alex's question "would you rather kill an innocent person and immediately forget or not kill anyone and think that you did" was the second option, purely from a pragmatic perspective, in that theres still two people alive, rather than one, even if one of them (me) is filled with guilt. Perhaps that guilt would even motivate me to live a more altruistic life

@zeldagoblin 4 месяца назад

Andrew doing a Michael Jackson impression is such a great Easter egg in this brilliant interview.

@andrewgoldheretics 4 месяца назад

It came out better than I expected!

@juliasugarbaker9032 4 месяца назад

I would love to see you moderate a debate with both sides on this topic, one that doesn’t devolve into a screaming match. I know that’s not necessarily your format, but we desperately need to see people disagree while still trying to understand and respect each other

@samanthavandusen 4 месяца назад

I really like this. 💯💯💯💯💯💯

@martinjnagy 4 месяца назад

But who would you go to to represent the progressive left?

@thiccchungus588 4 месяца назад

The most mind-boggling think in this whole conversation is the fact that Alex is only 24.

@theuzi8516 4 месяца назад

Terror management theory is such an interesting view to me because while I can see it rearing its head whenever I do some artistic stuff thinking it'll be my legacy, but I also know that I would 100% not bother doing anything important at all if I knew I had a year or so to live. On the contrary, if someone were to tell me I won't die and I have to live here eternally, I'd devote significant portions of my life to bettering my conditions, thinking if I simply cannot not live, I sure as hell will live well.

@ConnyvanderMeer 4 месяца назад

About the 'ugh' feeling that is morality around 35:40 : Philosopher Mary Midgley said that the 'yuk' feeling we're supposed to have about murder is actually very essential to morality. When someone doesn't have it, we call them a psychopath or something similar. Because this person may know that murder, rape etc. are wrong (like you can theoretically have a list of right and wrong things and memorize it), but they don't FEEL it. And that's the difference between just knowing something is not preferred in society, and having a moral judgement about something. Just some added info for those who now think moral judgements are not relevant or essential in society because 'they're just feelings' - yes they are, but vital ones.

@RandomAussieGuy87 4 месяца назад

Looking forward to this.

@Simon-T. 4 месяца назад

Great interview. It was really good to hear him interviewed rather than debated too, much more worthwhile and interesting.

@imaliazhar 4 месяца назад

The section at 6:00 is titled "Why woke beliefs are scarier than religion" but neither of you discuss this in the next couple of minutes. Wondering what compelled you to title it as such. Edit: Never mind. All the sections have clickbaity titles. Seems rather ingenuine.

@jerrodshack7610 4 месяца назад

The scariest thing is using the term "woke" unironically 😅

@user-yp6yr9te7l 4 месяца назад

@@jerrodshack7610 The term is inherently ironic, so using it unironically is just fine, lol. It's a pointedly critical label of a specific set of Left-leaning political sensibilities. Sensibilities such as unsubstantive representation, diversity equity and inclusion ideals which amount to really nothing more than tokenism, holding to the class struggle narrative, etc. It's essentially a synonym of Radical Left. I am aware of the term's original definition, just as I am of the original definition of gay. It doesn't matter what it was meant 40 years ago. Mainstream media, even the legacy Left leaning ones, like CNN, are using the term the way it is used in this video, today. And all media will continue discourse with this new colloquial definition of a specific type of Leftist political beliefs.

@farrex0 4 месяца назад

I think that the idea that gender wars and woke culture are replacing religion is a proposition way too absurd if you know anything about history or human nature. Revolutions, ideologies and movements have always been part of human history and nature. They have always existed alongside religion and without religion it is no different. To say it somehow is happening because people have no religion is simply absurd.

@Psyshimmer 4 месяца назад

Have ideologies existed that have been this robust? The only comparable example that I can think of is Soviet communism. An ideology that has its own defined heresies and heretics, apostates, messiah-like figures, sacred texts, etc. seems uniquely crafted to fill a void typically filled by religion.

@farrex0 4 месяца назад

@@Psyshimmer "Have ideologies existed that have been this robust?" What do you mean? they have always existed. There are plenty within religion for example, read everything about early Christianity and all the ideologies. How they fought over theology and called heretics anyone that disagreed. You have ideologies such as the Gnostics for example. But you have plenty of ideologies, that were intertwined with religion, things like Patriotism and Nationalism for example. An ideology so strong you might not even think about it as an ideology, because it is so integral to culture. Ideologies have been an integral part of humanity and they have always existed. You have plenty of ideologies that shaped entire countries and cultures, such as Confucianism. Stoicism is a big one as well, and Ancient Greece was a place that gave birth to many ideologies that affect us even today.

@Psyshimmer 4 месяца назад

@@farrex0 I agree that ideologies have always existed, and that many of them have far-reaching effects, but my central point, the one that I'd appreciate your thoughts on, is specifically regarding the secularism-as-religion that we see rising today. Unlike Confucianism, stoicism, or Gnosticism, wokism is specifically religious in nature. As I mentioned, it is specifically moralistic in nature, mirrors Christianity's original sin in its ethos, specifically defines its heresies and heretics, and possesses its own sacred texts, leading messiah-like figures, priest class, etc. Nationalism possesses some of these, but lacks the internationalist aspect that makes Wokism especially pernicious. It isn't constrained by geography, like nationalism is, and is to me, more alike a religion than any of the examples you've listed.

@farrex0 4 месяца назад

@@Psyshimmer "is specifically regarding the secularism-as-religion that we see rising today. " Hmm, let's be clear let's not commit the equivocation fallacy and let's not dilute the definition of religion so much that an ideology becomes a religion. There is NOTHING religious in wokism. I am sure all the things you can point out that makes it religious in your mind are things that are ALSO what defines an ideology. Nationalism for example, is almost religious... you worship your nation and even die for it. But being like religion, doesn't make it religious. Wokism is not religious is nature. I do not subscribe to wokism, but let's be clear and truthful. When you say wokism is religious in nature, please define what do you mean by religious. Because by traditional definition of religion, wokism is not religious. "As I mentioned, it is specifically moralistic in nature" That is not religious exclusive. And all ideologies ever have a position on morality and ethics. So that doesn't make it religious. "mirrors Christianity's original sin in its ethos, specifically defines its heresies and heretics, and possesses its own sacred texts, leading messiah-like figures, priest class, etc." That also happens in Marxism , but that doesn't make it religious. In fact, I would say Marxism is more akin to religion than wokism. Yet Maxism is not religious. I have to wonder what is it you are trying to achieve. If by saying something is religious, you want to demerit the ideology? Want to say it is irrational? or that they simple zealots? Well there are plenty of ideologies that have been like that. Some that has been even more extremists than wokism. You have communism for example, which moved complete countries to violent revolution and autoritarian regimes. You have nazism, whcih caused the world War 2. You have the anti-communist movement in the US, in which everything communist was labeled as satanic. You have anarchism, and the ideologies that inspired the French revolution. In short, ideologies and religion has always existed and while they have similarities, those similarities do not make an ideology religious.

@Psyshimmer 4 месяца назад

@@farrex0 First, I'll be transparent that my belief is that Wokism is just a rebranded faux-Marxism - the same ethics and processes, yet expanded to include attributes beyond class (gender, race, sexual orientation, etc.), so I agree with your argument that Marxism is faux-religious because it strengthens my argument that Wokism is faux-religious (I should have been clearer in stating that I don't view Wokism specifically as a religion, but that it encompasses a sufficient number of religious tendencies that I'm unsatisfied by writing it off as mere ideology.) I'm curious, what separates a religion and an ideology for you? One could use the basic definition of a religion as, "a set of beliefs and tenets that guide faith and worship", but I suspect that is too broad and can, unintentionally mark Wokism as inherently religious. My goals are the following: I'm attempting to honestly evaluate the origin, effects, and ethos of Wokism, which I view as a particularly interesting (though damaging) amalgamation of Christianity and Marxism, yet one that remains essentially secular. I believe that an uncomfortable number of skeptics and secularists have been seduced by Wokism because they believe that it's not "religious," yet it damages social fabric in (my opinion) a way very similar to religion.

@4114das 4 месяца назад

I can't believe Alex O'Connor is only 24 year old, looking forward to listen to him more... great discussion as usual!

@Psris123 2 месяца назад

Philosophy should be taught at school. Training kids how to think. We might see more 24 yr olds like Alex

@SquirtlePower809 11 дней назад

What's so impressive about him? I don't get it.

@DarkAngel2512 4 месяца назад

Alex had the best interview skills, how to handle unstable inteviewees after how he handled Hitchens and his insane outburst and kept it going politely without folding and whilst also letting Hitchens know he was being unfair. Massive respect to this guy

@Coffeeisnecessarynowpepper 3 месяца назад

Will Hitchens was probably drunk.

@Beer_Dad1975 3 месяца назад

@@Coffeeisnecessarynowpepper Nah, he's just an a*sehole.

@rorybessell8280 3 месяца назад

@@CoffeeisnecessarynowpepperPretty sure Peter Hitchens rarely drinks

@Coffeeisnecessarynowpepper 3 месяца назад

@@rorybessell8280 he got cancer from alcohol

@rorybessell8280 3 месяца назад

@@Coffeeisnecessarynowpepper Wrong Hitchens there

@Planeet-Long 4 месяца назад

23:05 Slogans are supposed to make you think, but the way political slogans are used in this context is to replace thought.

@majmage 4 месяца назад

Honestly until religious belief is minority, it's bizarre to dismiss the topic. It's very much a gateway-idea to irrationality (to being willing to believe ideas without sufficient evidence).

@ninjaturtletyke3328 4 месяца назад

Ok, I don’t think he quite dismissed the topic so much as made it a less priority. But why does it need to be the minority first before he does this?

@majmage 4 месяца назад

@@ninjaturtletyke3328 Because if 51% of your population believes in leprechauns, *clearly discussions about leprechauns matter.* That's still true at ~25%, and probably only stops being relevant around 5%. (And generally that's why we currently don't discuss leprechauns most places. Though apparently a survey in Ireland put leprechaun belief at 33%, so clearly they _should_ be discussing the topic!)

@ninjaturtletyke3328 4 месяца назад

@@majmage we still do discuss the topic when it becomes relevant though. Like he said it’s a topic that is relevant in the political sphere. But making it the forefront of every discussion doesn’t seem fruitful. Unless specific religious values or points come up. Then it’s not that important. Even if it was leprechauns or whatever I’m not sure why that would change anything

@majmage 4 месяца назад

@@ninjaturtletyke3328 Who's making it the forefront of every discussion? That just seems like a straw man. Irrational beliefs should be abolished, even if they seem harmless, because they aren't harmless: *they're irrationality.* If a person believes it's acceptable to hold one irrational belief, they're more likely to hold others, and we should be pushing back against that as much as possible (because the alternative is more irrationality, which is worse for us all).

@ninjaturtletyke3328 4 месяца назад

@@majmage irrational beliefs can be harmful sure. But I see a flaw in your logic. You are saying beliefs are harmful because they are irrational. Which is a position or a claim And you then further state that if they hold irrational beliefs that can then inform further irrational beliefs. But this is true of us all. We all to some degree come to conclusions that are incorrect that inform further inaccurate positions. This also doesn’t directly imply harmful beliefs. This also doesn’t imply just because these beliefs have the capacity to be harmful that they should be the irrational beliefs we politically talk about. I would also say there is a further problem here about how religious beliefs function when it comes to truth values. And you are looking at truth in a very analytical way. And I’m not making an argument for belief in belief. I’m making an argument for the evolution of ideas. It’s not true or false when a bird does a dance to pro create. Those are just behaviors they adapted that work for them. Just like how the human animal burns smoke to keep the darkness out. (Dark spirits or whatever) Smoke is good for killing mold. They don’t know that. But it’s a good practice that over time they developed to take care of themselves. The complete truth didn’t matter and their explanation works

@BIBLE-UNBUTCHERED 4 месяца назад

Outstanding interview Andrew. Alex is well to do in keeping his mind open to the possibility of a Creator

@QuemandoCromo 4 месяца назад

I don't know what isolated incident O'Connor relies on to ridicule the response of so many people in various parts of the world to the devastating conflict between the government of Israel and Palestine. My experience is that, when asked, those who say "Free Palestine" do not respond crudely by repeating the slogan, but rather offer historical and political explanations to support their position. Both at rallies, in academia, on social networks, etc. Whether one agrees with such explanations is another matter. But the usual thing is that they offer them. But it is easier to stretch the nose of high intellectual sophistication and simplistically paint thousands of people as robots that respond with empty tautologies. Very nice straw man of such "nuanced" and "professional" philosopher.

@MrRollingEgo 4 месяца назад

History is just through the lens you look at. Palestine does not and will not exist. Because it will be a state founded on hate against Jews.

@Egos_Altar 4 месяца назад

Agree. Disappointing, though, he was talking about sloganism. He did later in the piece say they may have a point but sloganism alone is lazy. (Paraphrased)

@TTTristan1 4 месяца назад

I was going to comment something similar, but about the trans argument. I don't believe most people just shout "Trans women are women!" and leave it at that with no further thought, and it's weird to me that Alex and Andrew seem to submit that as a major issue. Most of the marches, social media interaction, and youtube videos I've seen have very simple and relatable differentiation between gender and sex, coming from the perspective of psychology. Maybe if you watch The Daily Wire affiliated shows you'll find those kinds of examples as the main message, but they obviously have a incentive to cherry pick and portray social media trans defense as such.

@jerrodshack7610 4 месяца назад

Yeah, this is really dumb. I have never met ANYBODY who just mindlessly shouts slogans like that. You hear slogans because they are short and snappy and work well at a gathering like a protest. But I've never met anybody who is pro-palestine or pro-trans and can't adequately explain their position when challenged.

@Impiologo 3 месяца назад

@@Egos_Altar He is attacking a ghost that he himself has invented (this supposedly broad spread of lazy "sloganism") to discredit positions without needing to sit in the hot seat. That's throwing stones and hiding the hand. Low move.

@thinkingaloudwithmendel 4 месяца назад

“Nothing corrupts revolutionary movements more - and more radically - than success. For the first generation, the pioneering one, is followed by that of opportunists. The third continues to fight out of habit; the fourth, out of inertia. Eventually the movement turns its battle inward, splitting into factions, groups, sects, one against the other, one against all. Substance gives way to superficiality. Personalities replace ideas; slogans replace ideals. The lofty goals are lost; the message is forgotten. Now the struggle revolves around titles and positions…” -Elie Wiesel, souls on fire 1972

@rishabhthakur8773 2 месяца назад

If Absolute Nothingness is not possible, then death is impossible . Consciousness = Existence, as nothing exist for us without consciousness.

@doyle6000 4 месяца назад

Thank you, Andrew! This is the second RU-vidr you've introduced me to who I know I'm going to love (the first was Coleman Hughes)!! This is my favourite episode of Heretics so far!

@andrewgoldheretics 4 месяца назад

Ah thanks so much. You’re always very generous and lovely in your feedback!

@davidnally 4 месяца назад

Thank you, @doyle6000! I hadn’t heard of Coleman Hughes, he seems very switched on🙏

@ck58npj72 4 месяца назад

He's a slimy SOB, he's the everyman, catch my drift?

@6Haunted-Days 4 месяца назад

Wow I've followed him for years, you most not be into debate or atheism ....

@Philusteen 4 месяца назад

Jordan Peterson intentionslly over- complicates things just to make his ideas sound more intellectual than they actuslly are. You can tell he's teeing up some warmed-up meatloaf when he starts with "I've thought about this a lot" - it's clsssic plaid-blazer "trust me" selling. Ive said it on other threads - the man could make toast difficult to grasp as a concept.

@AM_o2000 4 месяца назад

He's only impressive to those with limited education and limited intellectual acuity.

@brianmeen2158 4 месяца назад

I like Jordan a lot but he is shockingly long winded

@Philusteen 4 месяца назад

@@brianmeen2158 "I've thought a lot about the toast, and how it represents man's Jungian collectively unconscious need to manipulate his surroundings, and then my thoughts shift to the bread itself, and how it was originally wheat, modified and combined with other constituents in order to manifest in a more cohesive relativistic form and that's god." 😆

@AM_o2000 4 месяца назад

@@Philusteen Nested in the metaphorical substrate that is the toast rack.

@Philusteen 4 месяца назад

@@AM_o2000 bravo, lol - truly a psychosocial matryoshka of tangential conundrums, making it clear to any reasonably intelligent inquiry that patriarchal norms bring all these stacking concepts into alignment. And then there's the butter..."

@jessicaverseveldt6097 4 месяца назад

I absolutely adore Alex and I’m so happy to be able to hear him speak freely as an interviewee this time!

@danielpugh2913 4 месяца назад

Fascinating discussion. Was interesting when Alex experienced himself how the perception of time compresses as one ages. Being 72 I know it all too well. When asked who would you go for wisdom Alex mentioned Lord Altrincham. Did watch the episode in The Crown and took notice of Lord Altrincham but didn't know much about him. Will certainly check his work and life out. The person I have obtained a fair amount of wisdom is William James. Studied most of his works while pursuing a degree in Philosophy and Religious Studies back in the late 80's and early 90's. Helped in a profound way focus how I think about religion, truth, and knowledge. Well done, Andrew and Alex. You both inspire this old bloke.

@Ia_LiKa 4 месяца назад

Whenever the world just seems a little too insane, i seek out Andrew's channels to regain a sense of nuance and balance. Fantastic content, and then suddenly - flawless falsetto! Bravo sir, on both the episode and the MJ rendition.

@Yoda-wf6bu 4 месяца назад

Nowhere in did Alex say "Woke beliefs are scarier than religion". So why name the 06:06 conversation that? I didn't even think the conversation was about that, since the word "woke" wasn't even mentioned once. I felt like the conversation was more about how some topics, that he regards as less important or that has gone on for too long, can get more attention in media and debates.

@flashbash2 3 месяца назад

Alex brought up an interesting point about love and connection being umtimately self motivated, but I have come to a better way of understanding it from a slightly different perspective. My own personal reflections on love over the past year made me see myself as a part of someone else. My flaws, my weaknesses, etc. were not only mine, but something that we had. Relationships, to me, are defined by seeing yourself and someone else as a unit and whatever/whoever you are is a part of them and vice versa. You might do things for others because they in some way preserve or benefit yourself, but you also might do things for yourself because they preserve or benefit them. For me, the cliche phrase, "I love you," must incluse in its definition, "I see myself as a part of who you are and I love myself." To love someone else, for me, is an acklowledgement that I too am loved, for I love the relationship that I am a part of. People might be understandably confrontatious to the idea that even a good act of love and compassion is self motivated, but there's something deeper. An act of love towards someone else should be beneficial to you as you start to see them as a fundamental part of who you are. To me that is love. A fireman rushing into a building to save a child might say he's doing it because he can't live with himself. I say that he's doing it because a fundemental part of himself, the child, will die if he doesn't. He isn't just saving himself in an emotive sense, he's seeing the child's life as part of who he is as a person. Love should become a selfish act not to feel good or perserve some duty to someone else, but the more you love someone else, the more of them you become. To love them is to love that part of yourself.

@versedapologue 3 месяца назад

This was a great interview. I'm always multitasking, Alex had me so engaged I stopped doing everything else, I even let my tea go cold. Absolutely fascinating.

@voices_vary 4 месяца назад

At the expense of sounding too new age, I seriously think that what's next is mindfulness. That is, closer attention to peace that emanates from within then translates to interactive life. It's a long time coming, but mindfulness (or un-mindfulness, as Eckhart Tolle would infer) has been in the mix for decades.

@deidredavel6068 4 месяца назад

Love these mind bending discussions.

@JohannesdeSilentio-wv7er 4 месяца назад

Great discussion - always enjoy hearing Alex. One point I’m keen to hear more on in future videos is Alex’s moral emotivism. In particular I’d like to hear his views on the basis on which he considers that our emotive responses are formed, and how/why there appears to be widespread consensus across multiple human civilisations regarding certain ‘moral’ claims. Additionally, why is it that my intuition that murder is repulsive feel so much more vivid/robust than my emotive responses regarding other aspects of life (ie in relation to food/drink preferences)? My sense is that the emotivist argument terminates too early insofar as refuses to consider the origins of our emotive responses, which in turn would lead us back towards something like a realist/objectivist basis for doing normative moral philosophy.

@roxee57 4 месяца назад

There was a recent research paper published that concluded a not insignificant number of people can’t form images in their mind by thinking of them, such as redness, even though they can see them. Likewise, in the same paper, they concluded a not insignificant number of people don’t have an inner voice. Fascinating stuff.

@Marcel-yu2fw 3 месяца назад

Interesting, although I'm always skeptical about studies like that. I mean how do you test and compare (!) the images that people see in their minds? Is it one of those studies where they just ask the participants questions or is it more sophisticated like an MRI? Because it could also be, that people interpret questions like "What image do you see in your mind when you think of X?" differently, just because they have a slightly different understanding of language and words, and what they see in their minds is actually the same.

@geico1975 4 месяца назад

If the first 35 to 45 minutes of this was interesting to you, check out this book by Walter Lippmann, "Public Opinion" written in 1922, will explain in great detail the questions surrounding what Alex and Andrew referred to as "slogans" specifically, political slogans. There is a very good reason why most people adopt political slogans one worth considering for sure. Check out the book, specifically chapters 1, 6, 7, and 8. The entire book is worth a read especially for The United States voting public.

@vladtheimpala5532 4 месяца назад

I’ve added it to my list of books to read.

@saxon8981 4 месяца назад

wasnt inresting, this same conversation has been had 100 times

@TheBatmanWhoDoesNotLaugh 4 месяца назад

my way of dealing with the thought of death as an atheist who doesn't believe in any form of afterlife is to think that i will no longer have to worry about dying once i am dead

@wet-read 4 месяца назад

"If I am, death is not. If death is, I am not"

@kimbirch1202 4 месяца назад

But if you knew you couldn't die, you wouldn't waste your life worrying about death.

@lazar2949 4 месяца назад

@@kimbirch1202 Eternity promotes time wasting. Its like when you have lets say two weeks to finish something and it takes only about 1 day to do it, most people would have waited the last moment to do it... Same with life. So to me, knowing that life ends and that you never know when it will end is what makes me to actually do things.

@kimbirch1202 4 месяца назад

@lazar2949 What things do you have to do , and why do you have to do them. You do have all the time in the world, as time is an illusion. It can.never not be the present moment. There is no death ,because you cannot be a body.

@kimbirch1202 4 месяца назад

@lazar2949 The problem is misidentification with the body. You cannot be a body. You already ARE eternal Mind and Spirit. Folk who believe they are a body think they have to achieve their bucket list, before they die, yet there is no death. If you don't believe this, you may want to watch the numerous near death experiences, here on RU-vid.

@balintgergely6729 4 месяца назад

02:34 Love you, Alex, but calling Sam Harris conservative is not accurate in the slightest.

@brianmeen2158 4 месяца назад

Sam and Rogan are hardcore “right wingers” now 🤣🤣

@jerrodshack7610 4 месяца назад

@@brianmeen2158Rogan openly supports right wing candidates and has right wing pundits on constantly, which he almost never pushes back against even when they are blatantly incorrect about something. He has talked about his disdain for the homeless, complains about socialism, has pushed inaccuracies regarding vaccination, etc etc etc. He is most certainly a conservative. Ultra conservative? Perhaps not, but the bar for being "ultra conservative" is pretty high when American conservatives are already ultra conservative by the standards of the rest of the developed world.

@thomasthompson6378 4 месяца назад

It's odd to me that both of these thoughtful men seem so committed to either/or thinking. Their attitudes seem to be, either I'm doing something wholly for someone else, or I'm doing it wholly to satisfy my own needs. In fact, however, and presumably as they both know, motivation is considerably more complex than that. It's not "either/or;" it's "both/and."

@agentdarkboote 3 месяца назад

I think they're arguing about what the basis of your action is though. Yes you can be doing something for someone else, but ultimately you do it because you WANT to. For any number of reasons, even reasons that put other people's well-being ahead of your own. You did the thing ultimately because it was something you wanted. On the whole I'm in agreement with that descriptive part of the argument, but not so much with the takeaway. With the fireman example where people say he's a hero and a good person because he couldn't live with himself if he didn't save the child... I think people are totally right to think that. We want more people like that in our society. We want more people who have feelings that push them to do prosocial things. I don't know why we couldn't just define real altruism as having and being influenced by feelings that encourage selfless behavior rather than selfish behavior. It's a way for us to predict what their future behavior will be like, and a normative judgment about it. Easy as.

@JPARnum1 4 месяца назад

Both of these guys are great

@kelpkelp5252 4 месяца назад

As you age the amount of time represented by a year becomes a smaller and smaller fraction of your life whereas when you're a child it's a much larger fraction of your life so you feel like a year has lasted for ages.

@kimsherlock8969 4 месяца назад

Changing labels on jars of different chemicals. Words change meaning Words change ideals into lifestyles. Words change perspectives Words are very powerful .

@PeterDB90 3 месяца назад

That secret room in your own house analogy is spot-on. I often even have dreams about my own house, only in my dream-version of my house there are extra rooms that I never noticed before or simply didn't have time to get to that I've finally found a use for in my dream, and then I wake up a bit disappointed that the extra rooms in my house weren't real (because they're often very cozy rooms too).

@limbothytimothy 4 месяца назад

The framing of your topics is a bit strange to me - you call the section at 6:00 "Why woke beliefs are scarier than religion" which isn't what Alex was saying at all. He was merely commenting on how cultural obsessions change over time.

@carlmurphy2416 4 месяца назад

Two guys trying to have an intelligent conversation, guy next door: "LOUD CAR GO VROOM VROOM"

@glennpeterson1357 4 месяца назад

1:01:24 “Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day Fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way Kicking around on a piece of ground in your hometown Waiting for someone or something to show you the way Tired of lying in the sunshine, staying home to watch the rain You are young and life is long, and there is time to kill today And then one day you find ten years have got behind you No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun And you run, and you run to catch up with the sun but it's sinking Racing around to come up behind you again The sun is the same in a relative way but you're older Shorter of breath and one day closer to death Every year is getting shorter, never seem to find the time Plans that either come to naught or half a page of scribbled lines Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way The time is gone, the song is over, thought I'd something more to say” Pink Floyd - Time (written over 50 years ago by Roger Waters when he was 29 years old…amazing! Makes ya think!)

@manavkhatarkar9983 4 месяца назад

Didn't think I would enjoy this conversation so much... there's a beautiful world beyond debates and so on

@kornklown420 3 месяца назад

I would argue that the "my body my choice" thing actually falls into the bodily autonomy argument, and I'd argue that is the actual reason it has been so oversimplified. The argument is essentially that no other nuance is necessary, it is a total belief in bodily autonomy, where no one has any right to another persons body, regardless if it is necessary to their survival. For instance, most people would not try to argue that we should mandate blood and organ donations, because even though it is necessary for someone else's survival (particularly for people with rare blood types), at the end of the day the person who's body is being utilized has bodily autonomy, and that must be protected before anything else. Many people who are pro-choice actually do not believe in abortion on a personal level, and they themselves would never get an abortion if it (except for maybe severe medical complications), but they do not believe anyone has the right to force someone else to carry a pregnancy. And even when making the argument "they made a choice that led to the pregnancy", part of bodily autonomy is that people have the right to change their mind, or maybe they never "chose" to be pregnant, instead it was a mistake, mistakes happen, and they still have a right over their body.

@dontknowwhattosay5402 4 месяца назад

loved this!

@skepticalbutopen4620 4 месяца назад

Fantastic talk. I always enjoy Alex’s perspectives. Andrew, you sing really well Sir. Impressive. 👏

@ivanbenisscott 4 месяца назад

so so interesting. please make more of these, or even have a weekly podcast with alex where you discuss philosophy. I would listen to it every time all the way through

@danielvan12 3 месяца назад

Equating “trans women are women” to “2+2=5” kinda says the quiet part out loud. A closer comparison, as someone in this very comment section has pointed out, is saying “adopted parents are parents.”

@uranusuranus144 2 месяца назад

What? No one is going to actually argue that adoptive parents are real biological parents. But trans community will argue that. Infact, if you don't take part in ones own 'self identity' (which is exactly the problem - You can't 'identify' your self as something. An identity is WHO YOU ARE not what YOU THINK you are.) I can be shunned and excluded away... for what reason? Because I said a trans woman is not actually a woman? How can one make a claim and then not have any evidence to back it up? The trans community KNOWS they can't actually give any proof so they make up this bullshit lie thar 'gender is a social construct' and that it something malleable and separate from sex, and yet they treat gender exactly like sex. The moment someone says they feel like a certain gender, no questions asked, they fully accept it and even encourage that delusion. What makes a man and a woman is not a construct. What IS a construct is femininity and masculinity, WHICH STILL is sometimes influenced by biology because women and men often think differently.

@Garrettviolaisverycool 3 месяца назад

i think alex will go down as one of the great philosophers of our time, so glad i got to see him grow

@carlossardina3161 3 месяца назад

I wouldn't say philosopher, more like public intellectual.

@anguspearson1 4 месяца назад

What an enjoyable and stimulating conversation between two thoughtful and enquiring minds. Nice one fellas, thanks for that!

@RoonilWazlib011 4 месяца назад

I HAVE BEEN WAITING PATIENTLY FOR THIS CROSS-OVER... THANK YOU ANDREW 😚

@jennifer1552 4 месяца назад

Alex O'Connor, one of the best geust.

@evesapple 4 месяца назад

In reference to the selfish motives of morally upstanding people. There seems to be an insinuation here that true altruism only exists in the realm of 0 emotion. Which I do not really understand. Just because somebody does something partly because it feels good- it doesnt mean it is therefore not moral. If you are the type of person who feels good from seeing other people benefit from your action, I think its a pretty good indicator of being a good person. More moral at least that someone who doesn't care about others and so who does 0 for them. It seems silly to discount it as a good or moral action because they felt a certain emotion from doing it. I agree that talk is cheap however and people tend to think they are more moral than they actually are.

@dion789 3 месяца назад

I think that this is your best video yet. Alex has such interesting and thoughtful ideas. I like that he talks about how he thinks social movements and things like morality are shaped by humans rather than focussing on his own stance in these things.

@vojtechpokorny848 2 месяца назад

I really like the revving interruptions :D

@GreedySpeculator 4 месяца назад

@4:30 Sam Harris is a conservative??? 😂😂😂

@IvorMektin1701 4 месяца назад

I almost turned off the podcast at that idiotic statement. Out of respect to Andrew I'll gut it out.

@lampb0obs 4 месяца назад

You bet your ass he is

@samanthavandusen 4 месяца назад

Two things can be right at the same time. It truly is possible, whether you agree or not, that's a different story...js

@PianoDentist 4 месяца назад

He regards himself as broadly on the left of center, but he sometimes he doesn't sound like it. However, those labels seem to be changing over time and geography, so not that helpful I'd say.

@GreedySpeculator 4 месяца назад

@@PianoDentist The disintegration of the labels makes labeling Harris a "conservative" even more absurd in that case.

@juliuscomnenus4415 4 месяца назад

I sort of broke at the description of JBP and Sam Harris as "American conservatives". Not sure on what spectrum Sam H is conservative :D

@juliuscomnenus4415 4 месяца назад

@@Besthinktwice that's a label I think applies a lot better. I would also offer up 'center leftist of the Bill Maher persuasion', who only got labeled as "conservative" in the last five minutes because they finally hit a progressive shibboleth they couldn't justify (whichever one it was).

@omp199 4 месяца назад

@@Besthinktwice If you have time, I wonder if you would be able to briefly summarise what you mean by a "liberal imperialist" in a modern context. I have only encountered the term used in the context of the British Empire, a hundred years or so ago.

@jerrodshack7610 4 месяца назад

@@juliuscomnenus4415Bill Maher has been getting progressively more conservative over the past few years. Very classic "young people bad, pull yourself up by your bootstraps" boomer stuff

@jblopez19d 3 месяца назад

The Jordan River answer by singing it, had me dying 😂 just picturing the absurdity of it. I'm going to make it a point to answer questions in adding from now on

@free9200 4 месяца назад

This is podcast gold. The bit about the kids and the turtle necks with tweed jackets at the end resulted in me almost spitting my tea out. I could listen to you both talk for hours.

@euphegenia 4 месяца назад

2:10 Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris are "American conservatives"? Jordan Peterson isn't even American and Sam Harris sure as hell isn't a conservative.

@joseEduardomendozaL 4 месяца назад

Yes, I was so surprised they didn't realize Peterson is Canadian. Sandy (from hubby's account)

@jerrodshack7610 4 месяца назад

Doesn't Peterson live in America and is his content not primarily consumed by Americans, and are his culture war positions not entirely based on the American culture war?

@kredonystus7768 2 месяца назад

I think the reason the years get faster as we get older is that a year when you're 1 a year is all of your experience. When you're 10 a year is 10% of your experience. When you're 50 it's 2%. When you're 100 it's 1%

@AdamJones381 4 месяца назад

The intro is very impressive!

@lauraj8429 4 месяца назад

This is my favourite interview you’ve ever done Andrew; loved it ❤️

@jeremys5576 4 месяца назад

I did a double-take when Alex mentioned he’s only twenty-four. Talk about being advanced for one’s age!

@RaveyDavey 4 месяца назад

Einstein was 26 when he published the Special Theory of Relativity. Young minds work best.

@Rat-King27 4 месяца назад

He is incredibly mature and highly intellectual, I'm only 3 years older than him and find myself having not even half the knowledge or tact.

@hareecionelson5875 4 месяца назад

"There's lots of people at home on their own, why don't you go visit them" God damn son that was iceist reply I've ever heard Alex say, and I've been following him about 5 years now.

@bernmahan1162 4 месяца назад

Very entertaining. Thanks, guys!

@ryanmcknight9999 4 месяца назад

Can;t remember where I heard it but when Alex talks about how fast time flies as you get older (around 1:07:00) but someone described time as logarithmic. And by that, it's meant that earlier in life, we have so many more significant events with which to mark the calendar. e.g. when you're a child and adolescent, going through school - and let's go through someone in middle school and starting in January. They have just gotten off winter break, they might be in a sport or two and those are significant events (an incredible match or championship), there's Valentine's day which is a big emotional event for most kids growing up, they might go skiing or snowboarding trips with the school, there might be a school dance. And that could just be the first few months and those months are pockmarked with such significant events to that person at that time. But as you get older, naturally, there are fewer and fewer significant events to mark on the calendar. So it's logarithmic because life starts off with so many significant events but then drop off the older and older you get - which is why we tend to view time passing faster the older we get.

@Sui_Generis0 4 месяца назад

Interesting comment

@rayblaak4915 3 месяца назад

My own theory is that it is a matter of paying attention. Kids, especially young ones, experience things every inexorable second at a time. So, there is more awareness of experience, each hour seems richer. Older people stop paying as much attention, the hours blur together, and eventually the years. I wonder if we can fix the problem: just try to pay attention to everything again, just like a kid.

@estherbravo4926 4 месяца назад

No wonder Peter Hitchens left that interview, most boring Podcast I've ever listened to!

@JNB0723 4 месяца назад

I am curious of what Alex's political philosophies are. As a Marxist, Atheist American Leftist Progressive, I think Alex might be more traditional than progressive. I love his atheist arguments and dialogues, but I have no insight into what his political foundation is.

@NHockerJazz 4 месяца назад

A morally “upstanding” decision can be made simultaneously considering the benefit to the individual as well as the fortification of trust between one individual and another, and even of one individual toward his/her entire species. An individual can also receive of the benefit of another individual or group of individuals acting in a way that is beneficial to them, and deemed morally “upstanding.” The firefighter saves the child not just to protect his job, or his reputation, but also to protect the other individual (recognizing the right of life in that individual). Thank goodness there are people who act in this way, as well as institutions, such as firefighters, that take it upon themselves to act out this duty in society and fortify trust among people. I think the sense of disgust we feel when seeing a homeless man kicked in the street, or a baby not saved by a fireman who otherwise could have been, is the sense of “morally upstanding actions can be defined as actions that simultaneously benefit both individuals in some way as it pertains to their right to life, liberty, and happiness, three things which when taken together do represent the freedoms and benefits an individual should receive at a basic level to have a chance at living a meaningful and fulfilling life.

@FlipjevanTiel 4 месяца назад

Just how you won't find 'redness' in your brain when you cut it open, you won't find Excel when you cut open your PC's CPU.

@pollyparrot9447 4 месяца назад

'If red is in your brain …where the hell is it?' He's channelling Philomena Cunk 🤣

@TheRaytar 3 месяца назад

This is not quite right. Excel does have a real physical presence in your PC. Not in the CPU, but the hard drive. If you cut open your hard drive you can find Excel encoded into the magnetized grains on the platter.

@FlipjevanTiel 3 месяца назад

@@TheRaytar So have memories in your brain. They are encoded as neurons. Self-awareness stops during general anesthesia, just like the activity in the CPU of a computer when it's off. But when it wears off, your memory isn't gone, just like the harddrive of a computer.

@TheRaytar 3 месяца назад

@@FlipjevanTiel I think that analogy works much better, but now it's no longer related to the problem of finding redness in the brain.

@FlipjevanTiel 3 месяца назад

@@TheRaytar Sure it does; when you are experiencing redness, that's brain activity, just like the computer running Excel in its CPU. There is surely a memory of redness encoded in the brain's neurons, just how Excel is stored on the harddrive. Excel on a harddisk isn't a spreadsheet with calculations, without a computer to run it, just like a memory of redness isn't experiencing redness, without brain activity.

@MrArdytube 4 месяца назад

By the way…. Dawkins claimed to admire Petersen.. for his stand on gender freedom of speech. Presumably for his courage in being willing to go to prison for violating gender pronoun laws. Out of curiosity…. How many people have gone to prison for violating these laws? I think the correct number is zero. Which raises the question to Dawkins of how much courage is required for Petersen to be willing to go to prison for a “crime” for which no one ever goes to prison?

@omp199 4 месяца назад

Can you show me where Dr. Peterson has said that he is "willing to go to prison for violating gender pronoun laws"? As far as I can tell, he has never even said that there are "gender pronoun laws", let alone that he is willing to violate them, let alone that he is willing to go to prison for violating them. I suspect that you are attacking a straw man. What Dr. Peterson is actually doing is opposing compelled speech, and defending academic integrity, in an age in which doing so is deeply unfashionable at best and career-ending at worst.

@MrArdytube 4 месяца назад

@@omp199 Regarding compelled speech…. Actually no one is compelled to use pronouns at all. And it is easy enough to avoid using them if that is an issue So then, what is his point? He does not want to acknowledge that some people have genuine gender identity issue, And he wants to free to insult these people in public to make the point that he thinks people who claim gender identity issues are deluded. it turns out that, i think that Christians are deluded cultists…. But i would never try to make this point to a student in a classroom setting. I would simply avoid the issue…. As i would expect of any polite person I think trump supporters are idiots. But i would never say that in a classroom. I do not think this is an issue of freedom of speech

@omp199 4 месяца назад

@@MrArdytube It's a bit more complicated than that. You might want to read the CBC article "Canada’s gender identity rights Bill C-16 explained". You can find it by doing a Web search. (CBC is Canada's national public broadcaster.)

@MrArdytube 4 месяца назад

@@omp199 By the way…. No one claims that Jordan Petersen should not be allowed to give speeches, lectures, or youtube videos where he freely Addresses his views on this subject. THAT, MY FRIEND IS FREEDOM OF SPEECH

@omp199 4 месяца назад

@@MrArdytube That's not what we're talking about.

@baltzarbonbeck3559 3 месяца назад

Interest persist as long as the underlying theories at play go unoticed. The reason for all political discussion being turned to gender and race is because the underlying theories that live underneath the dialogue are never spoken out loud. The same way a person who is really fearful might dress his fear in anger, so on the surface he appears angry but the underlying motivation is fear. As long as he doesn't see his underlying motivation it will keep it's grip and control him.

@HassanRadwan133 2 месяца назад

Great conversation!

@benjif2424 4 месяца назад

It's my first time seeing this channel (have followed Alex for years). But the irony of the host ranting about slogans after himself referencing the slogan "magical thinking" many times is simply baffling.

@andrewgoldheretics 4 месяца назад

none of us are free of slogans and clichés in our register. it would be almost impossible to have a conversation without their occasional use. the point i believe alex makes is that you need to be able to back them up. you can't bang on about 'the river to the sea' without knowing that Michael Jackson song. I could, however, write a book about magical thinking. my previous channel had thousands of videos about cults and extreme religions. i made a documentary for the bbc in which i exposed an abusive exorcist. hope that helps you feel less baffled, as that must be a disorienting state to be in!

@benjif2424 4 месяца назад

@@andrewgoldheretics Alex doesn't make that point. He explicitly says it's fine to not be able to back every slogan up (cue ie flat earth example)

@benjif2424 4 месяца назад

He starts with talking about how it can be hard to remember why exactly alcohol is bad, while it can remain absolutely fine to still believe that

@benjif2424 4 месяца назад

@@andrewgoldheretics but thank you for exactly responding how I had imagined one of your followers would respond (good on you for engaging yourself)

@andrewgoldheretics 4 месяца назад

ha! alex says at the end that it is fine from time to time, but you don't want to be doing that while on a march without the facts, because you'll be made to look like a plonker.@@benjif2424