General Lee vs. Starsky & Hutch  

@Joe Casson Its impressive as hell if Rosco and Flash are hot on your tail in Hazzard

@Joe Casson couldn't agree more

Just keep it going in a straight line. My torino handled for shit and we had 3 accidents in it before I totaled that tank.

The Ford.............. can't polish a mid 70's turd.

The Charger had good power ; my uncle owner one with a 440 and it was fast. But the Gran Torino? I owned one in high school in the early 80s and it was slow and sluggish with the 351W in it. I even did headers and dual exhaust and I got trounced on the highway by my buddy's 75 Monte Carlo with a 350 ( I eventually ended up owning that car). The Gran Torino was a luxury cruiser not a powerhouse. I even saw a documentary on the "Starsky & Hutch" car and the producers said they would use camera tricks to make the Red Tomato seem faster than it was !

@@TedSpider2023 The handling in these 70s boats were terrible, I owned many, even my wonderfull 72 Firebird handled like trash.

@@bbo40 Well that and probably a 4.10 9 inch rear too...

This is correct

I've heard that they used 318 motors for the jumps because it was lighter, probably so it wouldn't nose over so quickly.

they also ruined handfuls for starski&hutch tho lol

@@jdtractorman7445 Engine sizes and other facts are in here. John Schneider with all the answers ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-NayLSPII8uI.html

Especially considering that the Torino is a tank and the engines of the mid 70's were gutless, smogger engines.

Not by much, with a frame and an automatic. The 351 Windsor was a great motor. Much more comfortable ride, too.

Or listen to her.

Boooo! Spoiler!!!

Problem is a 1968 mini cooper on that circuit

Agreed

@@rajnirvan3336 ,,,,,,pa

Yeah. Back before it was a four-door

Love that car

I totally agree with you I had a 1985 Dodge Daytona turbo Z & I beat a state cop car plus a city cop car away plus Monty Carlo plus a Camaro away

she most likely drives better...

Agreed

Knowing bo and luke they would fly the general lee.

@@yourtypicalrebel4354 The dukes of hazard series stopped because they ran our of cheap challengers, because they did fly pretty well, only the landings sucked and turned them into wrecks.

It was starskys car, hutch had that cream rust bucket lol

Little odd, considering they only had 3 trans ams for the movie. all 1976's with 77 front clips.

...but only if you can afFord it...

Wheres my *CHARGER*

lol for ahving owned 2 Torino's and 3 Chargers i prefer the Trans Am no T/top

Dodge don't need rams, it's got family

If you read in between the lines its actually in Newton's first law

The dominating dodge

When you have a mechanical genius like Cooter tuning your car's engine then you can outrun the local sheriff, who's car is specially tuned to be faster than civilian vehicles. But General Lee is feeling the need. The need for speed.

Eleanor

Fastest car maybe but in one episode BA Baracas took his van from Manhattan to LA in around six hours. Which means he had an average speed of around 350mph. To be fair in the episode he stated "Santa Clause told me a short cut"

I watched the grill fly out of my Torino when I jumped it.

Neither was the Charger to be fair.

Old muscle cars weren't ever built as handling cars, they were straight line cars.

+AGamersNationAGN Still fun to drive tho

Jirapat Thaenphromrat Yes, yes they very much are.

Especially the Gran Torino, people think they're muscle cars but by the mid-70's a Torino was just an average malaise-mobile.

***** Some muscle cars have two seats...which is big enough to fit a family?

I got one

@@dixie_cody0195 you bragging asshole jk....that's pretty cool man

@@dixie_cody0195 you are a lucky bastard Im 19 and have been working 50hr weeks to save up for one and the insurance

Slow as shit, though. Never understood why people like these old, slow, unsafe rust buckets.

@@Psythikthey aren’t slow, they might go a bit slower than new cars but the engine roaring as you drive makes up for that, they’re perfectly safe if your don’t crash it and drive well, and they’re only rusty if you don’t take care of em.

Thank you!!!

Wrong! in the series, the engine is a 351 that has been completely re-built, "balanced and blueprinted" in Starsky's own words...

The engine is not the most important aspect of a car. Nowadays with a 1100kg 3-door manual base model Mini Cooper you can run circles on both of this cars.

Lol he actually never did any stunts

@@guytremblay1647"actually" he never did any of the jumps. But John and Tom did a lot of the driving scences and even had a system of how they would jump into the General, start it up and flip around in a 180 and drive off. It's all on RU-vid and they both talk about it.

Americans trying to build a decent car is even funnier.

Lmao

@@yereverluvinuncleber If it wasn't for Americans and ford you would still be riding on horses. lay down fooo.

How did you work that out? We've had cars since 1892, one year before the US, we've had mass produced cars from Austin and many other manufacturers since 1900s. Your brain needs more adjustment. America is a small part of the world, you need to accept that.

@@yereverluvinuncleberShitbox British cars? Not for much longer. Soon in Englandistan you'll only be riding camels with a Sharia tag on their ass.

+MaxTheKanuck I was thinking the same thing. I'm guessing they probably ran the base model of each car..

samuel lopes They did. That Charger looks to me like it has a 383, probably a 2 barrel, with an auto transmission and probably highway gears and an open differential. Not exactly a recepie for performance.

+MaxTheKanuck I think the Lee had a manual. You can see her downshift in a corner.

***** It's quite clearly an automatic. Manuals don't have the selection of gears 1 and 2 and then a bunch of letters.

I didn't notice the gear selection. I just thought I seen her downshift in the corner. I guess I was wrong.

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***** I know but the charger should have the power to make it easy to get sideways......and I know it has

+suparosc02 with harder bias ply tires from the 70s not nice modern sticky wide skins

+suparosc02 She was going for a fast lap. Going sideways isn't exactly conducive to that end.

***** Exactly how does one drive a large muscle car like a tiny sports car?

+avgrim77 fucking dipshit

Almost every jump scene meant a bent or outright broken chassis, and in some scenes even we viewers could see it. That said, they didn't really use only RTs - a lot of times it was some other Charger '69 model, with external trim changes to look the part. Even so, by the end of the show - because of the show, too - owners of the Chargers were much less willing to sell their cars for cheap, and the production had to become more creative.

You might be right about the "character" of the S&H car in the plot. But the "prop" car most probably had a 351.

351 to this day, is a damn fine engine. Plenty of power when you need it.

@@richardgreene6810 Exactly.

1974 was NOT a good year for car engines. By then they were all "smog" compliant, and the engineers hadn't figured out how to reduce emissions without killing the power. In 1974 catalytic converters and unleaded fuel were relatively new. Engines had low compression, EGR valves, air pumps, and all kinds of goofy crap that killed the power output dramatically. Also by then most of the big blocks were gone from cars because of fuel shortages. The 426 hemi was not even available in the charger after 1972.

yes, all show, no go was my thought the day they came out.

many muscle cars back then where just hopped up sedans. the roadrunner was a Plymouth satellite with a hemi.

That was the idea. A cheap car with the biggest engine they could get away with and drum brakes. Too much fun.

yellowbusguy the torino fits into the muscle car category. the original show version had a 351, but the movie version had a whopping 460.

My Dad and a Torino with the 351, it was the definition of slow. It was a looker though. These are rare to see these days.

+Jeff N You saw that too?! lol I was cringing when it made those turns.

Sure did! Yikes...

the general wasn't much better..

+Jeff N They should have drag raced, then theyd get real fast, over 120

Hell yeah! Would've been more appropriate for these fine examples of American muscle.

Moonshine & no fear of Smokey.

she really sucks as an aggressive driver plus if that one didn't have posi it would make it tough

But eventhough she is good, that does not make her an aggressive driver...

Nigel Mansell Problem is, unless that track had very short straights, you can tell she isn't going flat out on them. Looks more like she's only going 65-70 mph tops.

That one probably had a slant 6

Don't step on the Gas ?

Mad Max, anyone?

Hahaha, you're so right man 😎👍

Hahaha

Tbh i forgot what it means

@@dataussiematt tbh ?

I mean compared to a pick up truck they cornered well, because they would slide instead of rolling over, lol

@@Garf2O Yeah, and fish tail too, since the truck's weight is mostly in the front and they have stiffened leaf springs in the back. Including the 70's model with the back end raised up with stiff leaf springs.

haha yea older cars didnt seem to know about caster sense they had it ass backwards...

Well the tires was not made the same back then like they are today either

Exactly

yeah right...cars these days are trash.made from beercans n old junkyard computers with paperweight engines.

Bullitt Mustang vs Bandit Trans Am...

Bluesmobile vs Jacki Gleason's LeMans...

Bang Zoom.

Ryan Biggins now that would be a race.

Bullitt was something man. Both cars were insane! But what they did to that Mustang exhaust, with the cherry bombs, was heavenly.

Yep but can we PLEASE let someone drive them that knows how to drive?? ;)

Like one of them duke boys :D

And wasent the real general lee manual

Michael Pierrynowski that car is manual

No it isnt, she put the car into drive, im fairly certan that the general lee didnt have linear shift. Pause he video around 1:18 it shows an obvious auto lay out.

One car out of all the tv cars had buckets

Paul Michael Glaser was never professionally trained as a driver, John Schneider was. Paul wasn't very good at handling the Torino at speed and often slammed the car against kerbs when stopping at speed. He actually hated the car. Too big, too heavy, plus why would an undercover detective drive such a stand out car especially with that stripe down it.

+Scooter George ...Correct me if I am wrong, wasn't the TV Torino just a 351?

CaptAmericaUSAF I read somewhere, Hot Rod Magazine maybe, that the car was represented by the network to be powered by a 460. In actuality, who knows?

Could have been...I always thought it was 351 powered..Only 3 engine choices that year for that car, 302, 351 and 460

yeah they could of just saved them and use prop cars

+Scooter George They made 89,000 of them and they didn't crash all 1969's...

The General Lee had welded shut doors too. In the series they sometimes kept the roll bars out, plus it made getting in the back seat rather difficult...

And the bandit

Anthony Owens Yea

Biggest TV car icons. KITT isn't as good but the delorean while being the best, was in movies

ARGH.. why did I make my comment sound so retarded... (no offense to everyone)

The Bandit would have smoked these guys, as would most smaller muscle cars. However, I'd take the DeLorean out of it. They looked cool, but that was it. You're grandma's Lincoln had more HP and acceleration than those things, nevermind that the DeLorean was wildly unreliable.

u mean General not the general

id lap up on her landing strip!

Nope. 727 3 speed auto.

obviously

In my opinion there's nothing on the road now that compares to the original muscle cars of the 60s & 70s.

Nope new cars have no character all jellybeans and computers 🤮

Yet, a 1967 A/C Cobra 427 can STILL give parity to modern sports cars and even some super cars in some aspects. There has been some progress, but things aren't as radical as you think. Also, the smooth cruising ride quality of a Charger or Torino is miles and miles ahead of any modern car, which has had every last inch of luxury and smoothness taken out of it in the name of "sports" and safety. So, modern cars are forward, they are also backward. They are also hideously ugly.

It didn't take until the 90s. Buick was pulling 250+ hp out of the turbo 3.8 V6 in the mid 80s (300+ hp for the 87 GNX - don't believe the official figures for either version. They were highly underrated). The Regals with that engine were one of the quickest cars built in the 80s, besting Ferraris and Posches easily. In cool temperatures it would out accelerate a Lamborghini Countach. Obviously it didn't have the same top speed, but it was an unbeatable monster in short drag races. At 0-60 in under 5 seconds, it's still fast by today's standards.

Starsky Hutch I also thought the S.H. car was a 4 speed manual. I remember some bs about that in the more recent movie with Ben Stiller. Might have made up some of the difference in this race. Still I had no illusions that the Torino would win.

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Hi PGTMR2, in the TV show it was always an automatic. I don't know about the film though as I wont watch it. They probably had both just to poke fun at the TV show. cheers.

Maybe I'm remembering wrong. You should watch the movie. There's no reason not to watch it. Everyone else has to watch their favorite tv shows from back when get butchered, why shouldn't you be able to enjoy the same thing.

fair comment. I actually have the movie, I just thought from the clips it was poking too much fun at the TV show. I will get round to it, I kinda boycotted watching it really because it was made before I got my S&H car, I spent years looking for one and in the movie they trashed about 8 of them.. made me mad... but all is okay I got me Starsky's car in the end. :)

Well as our 'Murican friends like to point out, muscle cars were / are designed to be fast in a straight line. Though with just 250hp, I don't think the Torino could even manage that!

Age on an American car does not make it a muscle car. The 74 Torino was NEVER described, advertised, nor sold as a muscle car. Besides, they were racing a heavy 5.8 engine car from mid-emissions choking era versus a lighter 7.whatever car from before emissions. I have a ‘69 Mercury Cougar convertible, and a ‘70 Fiat 500L. Most people describe the Cougar as a muscle car, and the Fiat as awesome. Cougars (even the Eliminator) were never really muscle cars - and the Fiat? Well, it has 18 hp. Being a 500 “L” (luxury edition), it came equipped with a plastic covered dash and a gas gauge. My 2nd car was a ‘75 Gran Torino...351W 2bbl (165hp if I remember correctly). That car was nice looking, quiet, reliable, and a pleasure to drive....it had a really great back seat, and front seat too - for those lazy, or hurried situations. The ride was great, turning the steering wheel with one finger was always great, and no matter how bad the road was, the ride was always smooth. ‘70’s cars get a bad rap....many of them are great driving cars. While modern cars are superior in most every way, remember, in 30 years, some moronic kid will be talking about how horrible and unsafe cars from 2020 were.

426 Hemi equals 7.0L and the 440 is 7.2L

Ordinary Chargers wouldn't get anywhere near 200mph, even with the big engines, because the aero drag was so bad.

Gordanovich02 Correct, in fact, the car Petty actually drove, that was capable of 200 mph, was the Plymouth Superbird, cousin to the Dodge Charger Daytona.

Threatening to pull out, if I am not mistaken, was one way to kill time in decades past...

No only gm was crying, Ford was able to keep up with Dodge and Plymouth due to the Talladega Torino

O please,, the Ford 460 was the toughest engine ever built..

Wow boot 440 really means a lot to you oh well let sleeping dogs lie

Aye. And she looks the part rocking the Texas look while driving those muscle cars.

Those are HANDLES.

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F*ckin creeps

+Slap Stick Fueled by Slayer?

+Slap Stick You mean Herman Munster.

***** Herman's car was the Munster Coach. Grandpa built the Drag-u-la.

Slap Stick I stand corrected then, have to admit, I slept since then, lol.

+Slap Stick And they were both built by George Barris (RIP)