I used to be a Millennial basher, until I really stopped to think about it. They're not wrong (lazy, entitled, whatever label we put upon them) they're DIFFERENT. GenX were called slackers, apathetic, lazy, according to Boomers and latch-key kids destined for prison because our Mother's worked, according to at the time, childhood "experts". IDK why Boomers feel as though they can judge all other generations so harshly. DIFFERENT is 👉not👈 necessarily wrong. Boomers ya may have ushered in the cultural revolution but you sure TF abandoned it in your later years. If GenX made it ok, why wouldn't Millennials also not make it ok, just DIFFERENTLY.
Millennials are reaping the benefits of Gen Xs hard work. I have high hopes for Gen Z though, they seen to being learning how to live in a world with parents that behave like children.
A good reason to keep on bashing Millenials . For the most part , they are the sons of Boomers, incredibly dependent on their superiors for structure and guidance. Boomer parents acted like cheerleaders, and Millenials think their employers should too. Gen Xers actually "do" everything, we don't need validation, we just want to be left alone. BUT here's the silver lining, our kids, the Gen Z, are AWESOME. They are rebellious, multi tasking, crazy smart, and above all , tough as nails. Our kids.
Since I'm American it's hard to follow as the nineties she describes was a recession through Bush Sr. and first term of Clinton. Only at the very end of the 90's was there this window of dot com prosperity. Free higher education? What the hell is that? Gen X'ers had to repeat the 00's with Bush Jr. recession unless you were in the house flipping business. Being a teenager was cool in the 80's as everything in music, tv, and movies from that time is being remade (badly). But Gen X didn't have the cake walk that this woman who should've brushed her hair depicts.
100% I've worked my ass off since I was 9? Mowed lawns, then papers, then fast food, then took on 20 credit hours a semester, a work study job and a part time job at a coffee shop. After college started a family and worked my way up from manual labor into eventually tech, my degree was music performance and audio engineering (which has changed drastically since I learned it.) My kids are all nearly grown and 2 are out of the house...sort of, I'm still covering some of their bills and emergencies. Parents are getting older and sicker and will be taking care of them before I know it. Oh, I also need to figure out how to recover from the .com crash and the soon after 2008 recession so I can retire...I hope I can. I still know how to let loose though and would be insane if I didn't. Work can't and shouldn't consume your life. You'll look back and wonder where all the time went.
You can definitely tell which one is a GenXer. The one who's more laid back, lighthearted, can laugh, and can still rock leather pants. 😎 Then, you have the one on the right, like most millennials, who doesn't have a sense of humor, or much of a personality, but can go on about AnXiEtY.👵 Millennials need to learn to relax and not get so worked up about... literally.. everything.
This presentation of Gen-Xers is a bit narrow. At least in the US, we grew up with the whole “latchkey kid” issue, both parents worked, and had to become very self-reliant. And the surge in the divorce rate among parents. Nicely, though we had a lot more freedom even as small kids in the late ‘60s and 1970s.
We are the most resiliant generation behind the Greatest Generation. We didnt have day care. We walked or rode our bikes to or from school or rode the bus and got home to an empty house for hours by ourselves. We had to fix our own food. Depend on ourselves. We explored the neighborhood on our bikes and every single day despite the weather we were outside and it was an adventure every single day no matter where you lived. Our parents were authority figures and not our friends. Same with our teachers, coaches and the Police. We were taught respect and if we didnt show respect to others we got a backhand, a paddling, a slap on the helment in football practice, or we had to go outside and prove ourselves. Just like Johnny said in Cobra Kai "We didnt talk "junk" unless we could back it up with our fists!" God Bless our generation.
So true about our bikes. I'm born September 1979. The ridiculous speeds I'm sure you too rode (sometimes without a helmet) just because we never chickened out on a dare stuns me now. Riding in the back tray of pick-up trucks to feel the wind too!
Yes ,very true our parents were not our friends nd we had respect for the older adults back in the day..that doesn't exist anymore in the subsequent generations
This is a very London-centered view of the world. In the 90s and early 00s the UK benefited from the North Sea oil boom and a financial services boom, so there were plenty of jobs for young people. Since the 2008 Financial crisis things have been quite difficult for the young British people, especially in London because of the housing bubble. However where I live, in Canada, the experiences of Generation X and the Millennial are almost exactly reversed from the British experience. The 80s and 90s were economically depressed in Canada with high unemployment rates, especially for young people. However since 2000 Canada's economy has been booming except for a brief recession in 2009. Nowadays there is a severe shortage of labour in Canada, and employers will hire almost anyone with a pulse.
Generation X is the last normal generation. I think anyone born after 1980 you are a millennial. Schools went left around 1999. After 9/11 shit went wild. Please today people complaining about housing try 9 percent mortgage rates in the 1980’s
We, Gen X, are the punk rock generation and don't give a four letter word that millennials use all to often and the boomers did with thought of consequence. We are being punched by two larger entitled generations that will inevitably force us to work harder and longer to support the other two. Most of our children are Gen Z and they are going to be awesome, because of us.
Thank you for this excellent and productive conversation; it was such a refreshing change from the videos and interviews I've grown accustomed to finding, regarding how Gen X and Millennials, Gen Z. can relate. I'm tired of older generations bashing the younger generations; I wish society would learn to stop repeating this needless mistake. We help pave the way for the next generation, and we need to embrace and explore, with excitement, the changes happening in our society and workplaces by listening to one another... We all have much more in common than most of these superficial exposés, conversations, and videos would lead us to believe. We're all learning from one another and we need one another. Different doesn't mean better or worse. Off my soapbox- Thanks again!
I have no idea what she's talking about. I'm Gen-X and my kids are Millennials. I grew up in the 70's and 80's. It was the best time to grow up. I didn't coddle or over schedule my kids and they grew up fine. Well, the youngest is a bit lost at 19 but the other 2 are in well paying careers. I'm proud to say I have no snowflakes. I refused to be either of my mothers. That's a Baby Boomer and a Greatest Generation person. My 19 yr old takes after them. Running off all the time and not going to school. You 2 seem very out of touch. Most of my kids freinds couldn't figure out why their clothes weren't clean and dry when they put them in the washer with soap the night before. Nevermind turning it on! The classic one was when my daughter's boyfriend asked her where to buy toilet paper. State champion diver, doesn't know whear to get toilet paper or wash his clothes goes to college. Somehow I doubt he knew what the stove was...
We as Gen X had insecurity every single day with the threat of Nuclear War. We were raised during the hottest time of the Cold War. It wasn’t “If” but “when” the apocalypse would happen. Comparing that to the financial recession and the millennials is not comparable. I think you forgot that aspect of our Generation.
Interesting British view. I am an X’er living in the United States and I had school debt when I graduated college in 1989. Jobs were not plentiful but we were not in a recession in the early 90’s. Housing was far more expensive for us than our boomer parents and we are more likely to change jobs than our boomer parents. There wasn’t any clubbing going on either here in Southern California.
I think in your twos case the accidents of history defines how you came up this differently when you arguably could be siblings,I remember how safe and slack the world was in my teens,I remember the underground rave scene around the turn of the milennium as I wasnt old enough to not get carded at the clubs. Then It all changed on a dime on 9/11,a hedonestic cynical but fun age evaporated overnight into a new age of fear and paranoia ,a lot of us joined the military over the next few years ,society abandonded much of the values of individuality in favour of cohesion in irrational ,but instinctual want of safety.
That's actually considered to be what defines a millennial. Being old enough to be cognizant of 9/11 and how the world changed, but young enough to be deeply affected. This is why the cutoff for millennials is normally around 1996, assuming the person was 5 years old or older, during 9-11. Children younger than this are typically considered GenZ, the oldest of which are now 20. And GenX is usually defined by feelings of social, economic and political impotence. Though their economic impotence faded in their 30's.
I'm a GenXer and my daughter is 20 years younger than me and a Millennial. I also have 2 GenZ kids so I'm able to compare the generations up close. In a lot of ways GenX IS like the older sibling of the millennial generation. Millennials are the last generation that didn't have 24/7 connection to the Internet from birth. For me, that's the dividing line between Millennials and GenZ
@@RobinMasters007 No generation can be more than 18 years because it takes that long to reach adulthood. The Boomer generation is a full 18 years, and if you use the same max for Gen X, then X would be somewhere between 1965 and 1983. BUT, you also have to consider whether a person on the cusp between generations is a first born or only child. If you were born in 1981, for example, and are a first born or only child, you're going to relate more to the younger generation than the older one. And on the flip side, if we're talking about a younger sibling born on the cusp of the younger generation, you're going to want to toss them in with their older siblings who are members of the older generation. They are going to relate more to their older siblings generation than their peers. A generation can also be defined by events. I consider Gen X in America to be between the end of the Jim Crow era and the beginning of the AIDS epidemic.
Generations size is based on the average age of a first time mother from that Generation.Gen x mother on average was 26 years old when giving birth to her first child.
I like genx more because my dad is in that generation. Also because my dad sounds hella wise even if he’s wrong he still sounds wise. I feel like some millennials try to relate to much and genx is kinda like the “I don’t give a fuck but I’ll try to understand you” type. Sorry if I sound like I’m hating on you millennials I didn’t mean to sound like that I’m just trying to get my point across in the best way possible without sounding like a total ass. There are a lot of good things about millennials as well. I’m genz btw- welp, that random.
Uh, as Gen X , we had the black market of 1987 just as we are graduating college. Then as we are in the middle of our careers, the dot com bust happened. Then when we were building our 401Ks the 2008 Great Recession happened. So I don’t get this author when she says Gen X didn’t have problems.
The BIG problem with the modern millennial work ethic is that, the developing world don't share it, and they will literally work themselves to death to make a living and provide for their family. There is no doubt that people now shirk away for hard work, but that only allows other counties to get ahead and eventually, we will become a third world nation because of it. then the cycle of hard work will start again. We worked our way up from all that in the industrial revolution, and we reaped the rewards, hard work is a must for society, we must make sure we still all work hard.
First part of Gen X here, but we were all called “Slackers”, and we had to conform to BOomers if you wanted a job back then, no matter how worthless it seemed. We felt time was a limited resource, and we wanted it to be worth something to us. But we had to obey those older. In popular culture, 80s stuff was kinda crap until late 80s and then through the 90s we identified. But, anyway, glad my gen doesn’t want to attack another gen. Honestly, why on earth would anyone? Do your own thing folks.
Gen X had it better as adults in the UK because they were becoming adults and the start of an economic boom. BUT gen Xers as a whole had its quiet crap in childhood financially if they came from lower working class background in the 70s80s we were all dumped on YTS schemes and the dole . And if you didn't have a parent that was made redundant a least twice in your childhood you were lucky .THE biggest positives for GEN X kids were, we are independent we question everything and think that to succeed you have to work for it .
I willl preface this comment by saying generalizations are not absolute and each individual is different in some way. It appears from this convesation that Millenials have a self esteem that is more pronounced than the Gen X-ers. It has it's positives but what it lacks is how to deal with the negative aspects of life. I think the much higher rates of anxiety, depression and mental illness in Millenials is a product of an upbringing/education/nurturing that was flawed in the way it protected this generation from the hardships of life. An inflated sense of self, as we now know, does not protect one from the harships of life. It is in fact detrimental.
The worst thing facing Millennials that we didn’t have to consider, was that Metrics “development”. Everything to do with METRICS WAS BEGINNING ONLY IN THE YEAR OR TWO BEFORE millennials. oops, caps. But, this was appalling to us, but must be slavery for Millennials. Corporate stuff I realize.
i'm a Gen X'er not being prepared for retirement and aging scares the hell out of me, i basically fuck my 20's/30's away doing jack shit to prepare for my future retirement i will be 48 in 4 days i have a house and a amazing smart wife who's been with me since i was 30, we are both Gen Xer's me born in 71' her 74', the 80's ruled🤘🍺😎
I’m very proud of my fellow X’ers and what we’ve achieved. I hope we have the opportunity to work with our Millennial friends and save this damn planet!
I find generation X feminists to be a bit arrogant and dismissive of the fact that feminism is an ongoing process that is still young and rapidly changing. For women of the generation x "sex and the city" was a big revelation. For me it was an old hat. The fact that women can do whatever men do has always been self-evident for me and everyone I know. I deeply respect the impact that the generations before me have had in that regard, (I mean they literally changed everything for me), but everytime I hear generation X feminist talking at a certain point I'll be disappointed, because I can always spot a hidden gender belief or a bit of hypocricy... like when they make proclamations about women having to claim everything that men have... no we don't and don't tell me what to do. Maybe I don't want to become an engineer, maybe that sounds boring to me and maybe that has nothing to do with sexist education or antifeminist mechanisms... maybe it's just me.
CarAccident Millennial women just don't get it at all. No understanding about the world around them. Every time they: Turn on a light Flush a toilet Drive down the street Turn on a water faucet Eat any food Live and sleep under a roof Need police or fireman Take out garbage They never realize that men invented, built and maintain the means for all these things to happen. If the want true equality, start doing the physical work only men do.
" For women of the generation x "sex and the city" was a big revelation. " were you dropped on the head we are the lsd generation´s children this is the dumbest shit i have EVER read !
Sex in the City was big with Boomers not GEnX, also the feminist theory you are talking about sounds like Boomer feminism. GenX feminism was all about equality and even reclaiming feminity and good relations with men. We grew up from day 1 believing we can do anything men can do. This is the main problem for GenX we get forever tarnished with the sins of the boomer. We aren't boomers
This conversation seems to prove that women really do not think things through have the same resilience or even learn the lessons of the past and add hypergamy into the mix makes them pretty stupid, but hey you go girl. Before I end this what happens to the less fortunate women in society who have no flexibility who work an actual job. It seems feminism only suits the privileged.
This woman proves that merit wasn't a factor in career progression. This is perhaps the underlying reason for the mess that are Millennials. Too much money not enough sense, spoiled the next generation. Gen X was all about image and talking up, i.e. BS. This woman is speaking in a very media voice, with simplistic explanations, that sound good. It's this media distillation of complexity into bite size pieces, that resulted in wide spread dumbing down. It's a lack of substance that pervaded the culture.
Key take aways: - Gen X woman, about 75% BMI of millennial woman, despite being older. Mentioned going to the gym alot when younger. CHECK - GenX woman tells Millenial to work harder. CHECK - GenX woman admits demands made of GenX men were too much (CHECK) then wishes they would do more (/FACEPALM). - Millennial woman is nervous about relationships (because she knows about red pill and MGTOW) - CHECK - GenX woman trying to be cool about music, the cites the Spice Girls as influential (/FACEPALM), then asks the Millennial what she needs - the complete opposite of what is needed given that generations propensity for post modern, neo marxist victim hood - CHECK. We GenX's grew up with 3.5 million unemployed and were told to get skills because global competition was coming. We also grew up knowing we nearly got nuked by mistake in 1983 - so grab life while you can. If that millennial Doris learns anything, it will be to take the advise of the GenX woman around valuing a relationship with a man, because red pill and MGTOW are a thing and she has very little to offer. That GenX woman better keep hold of her marriage because she is post wall and she has no idea how red pill planet earth has now become.
