Also Mango as Apollo Creed makes too much sense. He’s Mr. America, crowd favorite, doesn’t take the first encounter against an unknown seriously but still barely wins, then goes try hard for the rematch but loses. Just. Like. Apollo.
Both. Mango is from North America like Rocky. Armada is from Europe like Drago. Armada is the foreign underdog like Rocky. Mango is the crowd favorite from the hometown, like Drago.
Tyler Daniels to be fair, the first one was after a set was completed and the second one was after just a game in a set. Crowd still wouldn’t have popped off like that either way though
Back in the days of the 5 gods, I remember people used to say we needed a player with Mango's reads and creativity, Armada's consistency and punish game, Hungrybox's spacing and mastery of his own character, Mew2king's edge game and ability to 0 to death off of one mistake and PP's pressure and mental game, and I think we have a player like that now. His name is Armada.
+kirjian not to suck dick or anything, but armada isn't as creative as mango. Not too knock armada or anything, but most of his punishes are very flow chart which is similar to leffen.
The GOAT: G1, P4, EVO'13, MLG'14, EVO'14, TBH4 The BOAT: G2, Apex'12, Apex'13, EVO'15, TBH5, G3 6 Premier Majors a piece. 2-2 in GFs. 3-3 in Genesis sets. What. The. Fuck. You can't make this up.
+kupodrinksmilk No armada definitely the goat. He is much more consistent than mango. Plus he has a huge winning record against him. And he has never dropped a set to ANYONE outside of top 6. Mango is far too inconsistent to be considered better than armada. Armada is definitely the GOAT. God only mango could lose and still have people saying he is better.
+Teddy Rose I don't think it's such a linear way of thinking. It's basically when Mang0 is playing his best there is no one in the world that can beat him. So..... "There's levels to this shit"
+brovvntown That usually just means that whenever he loses people just say "he weren't playing his best". Mango is probably the only player that when he loses has the most people saying he wasn't playing his best, while if Mango does beat the other player it's "mango at his best can't be beaten". It's just as valid to say the other player didn't play their best. Was he playing at his best at Genesis 3? If he was, then he just got beaten by Armada, so your statement is false, and if he weren't, then when is he playing his best? The next time he beats Armada and wins a tournament? Also keep in mind that while Armada is really consistent, that does not mean that if/when mango does beat him (or anyone else for that matter) that they HAVE to be at their peak, so it becomes "proof that mango peak > their peak". For example, Armada flubbed and SD'd in this grand final. Everyone likes to talk about how if mango didn't SD in the 2nd game of the 2nd set, he might've taken the tournament, but at the same token, if Armada didn't flub, he could've won without a bracket reset. Yes, mango is a great player, but I seriously don't get this "at his best he can't be beaten" mentality. Not for him, not for leffen or any other of the gods. It just seems incredibly silly.
Y'all both have good points. Its true I'm fan boying, but I'm also just trying to make the point that consistency isn't the only way of proclaiming who is the GOAT. Mang0 is the GOAT because it is self-proclaimed rofl, "you cant do it like me". The highest level of melee I've seen is when Mang0 is peaking, but that's kind of just my opinion. Also I love armada, they are the 2 supreme beings of melee imo.
16:22 'Mango never misses this ledge dash!! atta atta atta' fucking died lmao This set tho. Wow wow wow incredible. The gameplay, the venue, the hype, the historic value... Might be the best match ever
Great matches! After Mang0 was sent to loser's bracket, something inside him fired up and pushed him to greatness. I had not seen him play like that in years. Luck was also slightly in his favor too, but Mang0 was pushing the pace in every single match and was looking for the win at all costs, so in a way he crafted it. He played beautifully against Armada in the first set, but I think that playing at such a high-level so long and consistently took a toll on him. At the same time, it is incredible how consistent Armanda was throughout the whole tournament. He beat everyone he faced convincingly and managed to overcome his loss against a legendary Mang0 and stop his crazy winning streak. His mental toughness is unparalleled. He is great at adapting to the situation, and I think that's what gave him the edge at the end. I think that anybody else would have probably fallen prey to Mang0. 2016 will be a great year for Melee. I can't wait to see more. Congrats to both!
Anthony B except this was a Fox ditto for two games and then it was Fox Peach. I understand that this was literally the match everyone had been waiting for since the second Genesis and it was definitely hype and still just might be one of the best sets EVER, but the Evo Grands set this year was absolutely insane. I don't think there's ever been as many moments where the winner of the set could have literally been either player ever.
I wish I was there in the venue. Stream was crazy but to see Mang0 play the way he played in person would've been something special especially with the hype in the building. He wanted Genesis 3. He was no buster this time. Side note: Samox was a cameraman.
just don't feel defeated Mango. hold that feeling you had when you played control that and bring it to everything you do, the people want to see that the people want to believe in that mango to bring it home
Does anyone know when it's a good option to use bair vs dair when edgeguarding spacies' Up B? Peach seems to be more prone to get burned by the firefox/bird when using dair as compared to bair, in my experience.
This is one of the sickest sets I've ever seen, but the Mang0 bias annoyed the hell out of me. I doubt that had Armada been down on FD, the commentators would've been chanting for him to 'Bring it back'. I understand the popularity of Mang0, I really do, I just wish it wasn't so prevalent amongst commentators. Gets real old knowing who you're 'supposed' to be rooting for
Of course, last set had to be the classic Armada's Peach vs Mango's Fox. Extremely close set, with these two it really comes down to who makes even the smallest mistake. Always epic sets with these two. I'm more of an Armada fan, so I was hoping he'd meditate and bring it back in the second set.
Although i appreciate shout casters sharing their knowledge about the game and the match ups but honestly id really just like to here them talk about the actual gameplay between the players more. Whole stocks went by while they are explaining the different stages of a fox duo
Sad to see Mango lose when he's playing so good. That SD and those chain grabs though. It's in Melee though, gotta do what you gotta do to win I suppose. At least Mango doesn't actually hate losing to Armada. Probably the person he hates the least to lose to. Armada is definitely the better player at the moment. Mango is still the GOAT. Amazing set.
best tournament of all time, if mango won it not only would have been the best tourne, but one of the most monumental moments in human history. ever and forever ever. holy fuuck
Always meant to be, just like The Rock... & Stone Cold Steve Austin. Was rooting for my boy Mango, but I love Armada too, so I was very happy to see either one win!
Phil and HMW are cool and all, but Scar and Toph are just infinitely better commentators. I know it's tradition for G3, but if smash wants to go far, Scar and Toph level needs to become the bare minimum, not maximum.
I couldn't agree more, only mango got representation in the commentary. I understand if you have a bias, but please don't show it in commentary, especially as flat out blatant as this commentary was
+thevisi0nary In melee, you have to lose twice to be knocked out of the tournament. Mango lost early in the tournament and was moved to loser's bracket. Armada however never lost and made it to grand finals. Mango wins the first set against Armada, but you have to lose twice to get knocked out, therefore they play again, this time both of them are in loser's bracket.
You know, Armada is truly scary. you look at the matches and you see Mango going crazy, on fire and dominating, and yet.. whenever you look at the stocks below you see an even match. whatever lead Mango got over Armada, Armada just calmly got back at him and even gets a lead for himself in the process. Like i don't know if it's just me but in this matches you always see Armada on the defense, being pressured and yet the game is always even. i just find that to be so scary and respect worthy lol.
The bracket is double elimination. Mang0 lost to Axe earlier in the tournament on winner's side, so he got sent to losers. Mang0 made it to Grand finals via loser's side, Armada made it via winners. Since the tournament is double elimination, and Mang0 has already lost 1 set, he only has to lose one more. Armada has lost 0 sets so far, so Mang0 has to beat him two sets in a row. Mang0 won set 1, which was Armada's first set loss. Armada won set two, eliminating Mang0. Tl;dr Mang0 lost earlier, and came to GFs from losers side. Armada from winners. Armada needed to win 1 set to eliminate Mang0, Mang0 has to take 2, since Armada came from winners side.
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