Genesis 3b: The Fall 

Amen! I used to have a coworker who was JW and had many good apologetic conversations with him. Because of that, I've done a lot of research about the JW religion and I have empathy for them. I too used to be an agnostic until I discovered the more intellectual traditions of Christian Theology! May God continue to guide you and bless you, brother.

I’ll be saying a prayer that the Holy Spirit will teach you all things as we are told in the Word & that your faith is encouraged. I too was raised in a sect that was doctrinally challenged to put it kindly. Just like you I found myself falling away as I learned much of what I’d been taught was wrong or an outright lie. I fell away but always felt a sort of pull back to the Lord. I got deep into research & am eternally grateful to God that He lead me to truth, & blessed me with salvation & assurance of His love & grace! It is my sincere prayer that He do the same for you! My life has truly been a testament to the fact that we may give up on Him, but He does not give up on us! All we have to do is diligently seek Him, knock & He will answer!

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Awesome! I'm glad you stuck with it.

Do JW count themselves as Christians???

This isn’t something you’d discuss at church than SEMINARY

Don’t let it discourage you from going to church tho!

You have to do bible group study type things to learn more in depth topics

@@Baskl757 even in bible study most of the people don’t really understand what they are talking about and they argue over the meaning of things. This guy breaks it down

@@halohair1118 This is one of the things that has recently prompted me to study a lot about Catholicism, it has a beautiful tradition of apologetics. And it has always been open-minded about the meaning of genesis and findings in science to enrich our understanding.

Ephesians 4 v 10 Jesus fills The Heavens The SEED did fall into the ground dead, but for just 3 days, creation 3 days, then another 3 days to fill it. 2x3 = 6 days Redemption 3 Days! What is raised is not the same as what was sown 1 Corinthians 15.

P Harrison excellent thank you

Amen

So that we may eat from the fruit of life, washed from the sin of adam.

Also given how the series shows both the fall of Lucifer & Man occurred simultaneously, it’s possible that the war in Revelation 12 occurred immediately after Adam & Eve ate from the tree. God may have removed Adam & Eve from the Garden at that moment because He knew that war was about to break out among the angels and he wanted to get Adam & Eve to safety

His videos are very good!!! I have truly been blessed by them. However, no one is inerrant. With that being said, I want to offer a different perspective. He points out the difference between conception and birth, which is fine, but then gives commentary stating that the verse is referring to anxiety fueled by uncertainty in the *Future* conditions and needs of her children. I just don't see this being reality. Normally the only time someone has anxiety at conception, is if they didn't want to get pregnant. But that is certainly not what the scriptures are talkin about. Furthermore, grief or *anxiety in conception* is not the same as *anxiety about your child's future.* The argument could then be made that if that is the band-width of conception anxiety, then that would also include the pains of childbirth. This is why I believe the traditional translation of this passage is more accurate. Pain, sickness, anxiety, grief, and death were not God's original plan. But we know that childbirth brings with it extreme grief in the form of pain and anxiety. When it comes to a woman's desire being for a husband, and him ruling over her, I think this is pointing to a physical out working of a spiritual truth, sort of like homosexuality in Romans 1 is a physical out working of a spiritual truth... Namely, that the parable of man's rebellion towards God's headship and authority will be lived out through the marriage covenant in the form of the woman resenting his authority, and wanting to take the lead or be him altogether... today's popular culture is a perfect example of this. This will cause tension that will result in the man asserting and subsequently abusing his authority over her. Thus, the marriage covenant, along with every other aspect of creation, has been cursed by the Fall. Just another perspective to consider. Be blessed!!!

Another way to look at the presentation is that it is enlightening, and the traditional view is using religion to rule over people instead of bringing enlightenment and understanding so that we may grow.

@@Paul-gz5dp people have definitely misused religion.

Nice smiley 😊 face, the first teacher I had like many or even most people was my mum obviously a Woman! Thank God for Godly Women 🙏🏻🙏🏽🙏🏿🕊

hi @carmel_crunk could you explain this to me?

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I wonder if he used the default windows movie maker. Because somehow it looks like it. But more professional.

I hate people that use “indeed” in a sentence.

Improper use of the word, “indeed”.

@@BIG_Z_69 hello and greetings to ya. What a contribution to the proceedings! Indeed, that must have racked a brain such as yours for hours and hours, indeed probably weeks. Hating on such a flimsy context indicates Atheism to the fore and as usual founded in piss taking and shite. Ciao.

Thank you!

@@InspiringPhilosophy Subtitles English ou Espanhol, please.

RadicalOne1912 yea I was crying when he said that 😂

It makes sense though

@@anahata3478 that depends on the church

Agreed. What I thought less poignant was using a statue of Buddha in the same analogy. The real disruptive false god of our times would better represented by, I don't know, an expensive vehicle.

Why was it unexpected? Does your church NOT have a coke line?

Ma91827538 I am hungry to hear about God as well.

Patience friend . One of the fruit of the Holy Spirit Galations 5 22- 23 😉

Here are some names I would recommend of the top of my head when it comes to the Old Testament: John Walton Michael Heiser Ben Stanhope Kenneth Kitchen James Hoffmeier Benjamin Noonan Jeffrey Rose Richard Hess David Falk Tremper Longman

The tree should still exist if god created it. They never explains what happened to the Trees. Plus, trees reproduce other trees thru polynization. Makes no sense?

@@juliancampbell245 we are not told what species of tree it was. It could be both literal and metaphor

The dark side seduces EVERYONE. Its called sex trafficking and wealth. Everyone wants money... Thats when the darkside will come: church, employers, headhunters/recruiters, U.S. govt ...join the darkside, the darkside always provides!

@@juliancampbell245 are u srs?

@@zhihanlim3500 as serious as the bible is scripted like a bad sitcom!

The tree is a metaphor of Satan. The good was when he was the angel. The evil is what he had become . Knowledge is what he knew about God's way and the kingdom. The fruit was the seed of Satan and she did partake.

Also there's more than 2 trees. There's at least 3, or 4 depending on how you count.

@melanated and loving it with a melanated woman You make a claim and then when someone asks you to back it up, you instead insult them and run. Weak.

melanated and loving it with a melanated woman, that’s a false book. Read the true bible, your in a cult. Seriously, you can loose your salvation because of Mormon teachings.

Funny? A tree is known by its? Fruit! Make a tree Good & it’s fruit will Be Good! Jesus said You Must Be Born Again From Above 🕊

SA,....This guy is a false prophet.

@@tonybasoni8443 Everyone is a false prophet these days 🙄 will you stop looking for problems with everyone.

Their comment is gone what did they say?

He gave facts but yet still a lot of his opinions thereafter are still conjectures and somewhat of a stretch.

Heavenest St. Cyr I think it’s good for open discussion. Not many people like to talk about this stuff.

Good talk. Good analysis. God is always merciful and gracious to our carelessness, but His word is His bond. Sure the tree is not evil etc. More grace for future work.

Solomon asked for "wisdom", not "knowledge". Two different things!

Ingrid EyebrowLady be careful to stay away from new age teaching

@@tommybeatz4678 What's your concern? I love Jesus Christ and I also love new age positivity. It's improving my charity and christ like love for people.

Ingrid EyebrowLady there’s only one way to the father , and that’s thru Jesus Christ. No other religion can save you be careful you don’t take heed to any evil doctrines like Astro projection. there’s a ex satanist that talks about Astro projection I think his name is John Ramirez . Make sure you go by the Bible not any other religion or new age practices

@@tommybeatz4678 Nobody really knows the outcome for certain. All we can do as humans is be free to believe. I choose to believe in every possible good thing. I don't have to subscribe to a specific way of life in order to have a peaceful existence, knowing my soul is safe with God. I feel as if I am finally one with God. I reached this through my belief that God is omniscient. No one human can put limits on God or the universe and that is inspiring!

Ingrid EyebrowLady do you believe in the Bible ?

Mark 10:15 "Whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it." ❤

I agree

Can you please explain Mathew 25 30 to me as I'm trying to reconcile it with what you are saying

Verse 24. He obviously didn’t Know The Lord because the man thinks The Lord is harsh but HE is Loving & forgiving, but HE also says you reap what you sow, Grace is working out your Salvation with reverence and love for HIM NOAH had too build the Ark before he could hide in it! Most people have heard of God but have Not got intimacy with HIM. Lord make Yourself known to us 🙏🏻

@@P.H.888 That doesn't really answer it for me as he is referred to as a servant.

@@mysticalglowtv1796 ur looking for reasons to abandon faith 🕊

Forgive me, I see your sources are listed in the description. 🤙

Rajan Dhanuskodi Although I also came across this interpretation recently, I don’t think it is new.The beauty of the Internet is how easy it has become to hear a wide variety of views.I encourage everyone to not be afraid to hear a variety of interpretations.This interpretation also made a lot of sense to me and got me excited about the OT. God bless you.

The serpent didn’t lie? Therefor God must have. You guys seem all too comfortable going down this path?! I think it might pay to go back to the drawing board with the following axioms; the serpent is the father of all lies, and; God is truth...

You will not understand "the fall" until read my book "The Holy Grail is Found." No brag, just fact. Give me a "click" for video information....

@@JordonHill the serpent didnt lie in the sense that he used his cunning to his advantage. He knew that eve was an innocent and naive child and he merely bent the truth of what God said and used Eve's arrogance to massage her ego.

Post-it thanks for clarifying your position although I think we have a different view. Please let me try to clarify my view; Sin and true are both archery terms and in some sense opposites. If the arrow runs true it runs perfectly straight and hits the target. Sin is when it misses and therefore runs bent or off-target. I think that bending the truth is not possible. There is only truth or sin. I also think there is ample evidence that this is the worldview employed in biblical times. Thanks for your thoughts.

@Joannasavedby Christ I'm pretty sure every single relationship every single day multiple times a day proves my point. No to be too full of myself... It sounds simplistic, but just look at the differences between man and woman. It's almost so obvious that many people refuse to see it. Whaaa? An obvious answer? Surely, you jest.

I would say so. The Cross is the new Tree of Life, and Christ's Body and Blood are the fruit of that tree.

That channel is 🔥🔥🔥

@Milk Man You're insane.

Surely that joke would be covered by Ephesians 5:4. What do you think? To be honest I'm a little confused about what counts.

Milk Man you have great knowledge, god bless you.

@Milk Man Interesting perspective. Is there any source where I can read more on this?

Where does it say he clothed them with animal skin's?

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@@InspiringPhilosophy yh I remember the community post from a few days ago

Would be interesting to see CMI's response, they are the better of creationists.

@@TimberWulfIsHere it would mediocre too say the least

@@reubenlyimo I don't think so, many of the writers are quite knowledgeable; don't let your bias get in the way of that, even if you disagree with them.

That has got to be the silliest statement. I don't have a biblical degree, but even I know most everything put out by this channel is unbiblical and nonsense founded from lack of knowledge, along w incredible misunderstandings. The key to understanding the Bible is first to read and breakdown the words in its original language. U can do this for free w an app called blue letter Bible. The second is studying commentaries and such and not from Jewish "scholars". Why anyone today puts stock in Jewish anything I don't know as they don't even believe in Jesus, but this channel loves doing that. The last thing is to stick to the black parts of the Bible instead of interjecting ur own limited and bias thoughts into the white.

Bible Bus people put stock in the Jewish writings because THE WHOLE BIBLE IS A JEWISH WRITING. Christianity is a Jewish religion. You were only grafted in by grace.

@Valpurgis Tachyon not according to the Bible.

@Valpurgis Tachyon nope, Adam names his wife Eve after they are cursed after the fall. The First Book of Moses, Called Genesis 3:20: "And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living." The fall happened in Genesis 3:6-7

@Valpurgis Tachyon oh well he indeed named her "woman" but she did not have the name "Eve" until after the fall, this is what I'm arguing here

@Valpurgis Tachyon if you re-read OP's comment you'll see he is talking about the name "Eve" (meaning mother of all living) which indeed was given after the fall

Any this is why if you actually read the Bible, it will turn you into an atheist. Turns out god makes no sense at all.

Lord Jesus bless her marriage 🙏🏻 take away all the curses you Took Away ‼️

"I just don't see this being reality. " Why not? Exiled from the garden, with food and livelihood being uncertain, why would she not have anxiety for her children and grandchildren? To say otherwise makes no sense whatsoever. "Normally the only time someone has anxiety at conception, is if they didn't want to get pregnant." In the ancient world, the opposite was feared, that a wife would NOT get pregnant. You can't compare today's casual sex environment with the ancient world. "This will cause tension that will result in the man asserting and subsequently abusing his authority over her." This sounds like a feminist reading of the text, rather than a scholarly reading of it.

Timothy Ting I think he just means there were other people in the world at the same time ?

@@TheWarriorLV if there are other people around, and have not taken the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, won't these people not fallen?

@Charles Pieters I'm not trolling. I like his work. But if you following the argument made in @20.24. you will realise that he said Eve is not the first of all mankind. My motive is to wish to understand how this can be reconciled.

Timothy Ting I think only Adam and Eve were invited into the garden as the first of mankind, whereas the rest were outside the garden. That’s the possibility I think of

great insight! thank you for sharing 👍

@@conk3rryan422 Appreciate it. People need to see that our Sin wasn't a problem to God, he wasn't gonna let that stop his love for us and stop his plan for humanity. Sin needs to be seen as a intruder, rather than what we falsely think is some inherent identity of ours. Being a Sinner just means someone who does not partake in the divine nature. Humans need to be viewed from the point of God's love and will for us, not defined by Sin. Satan is judged and condemned so harshly for a reason.

Andrew Kibler “what we falsely see as an inherent identity of ours” in reference to sin. Doesn’t Jeremiah say “the heart is desperately wicked, who can know it?”. Doesn’t James say we sin when “we are drawn away of our OWN lust.”? It is an inherent identity to the natural man, so in other words, it is an inherent part of us. Man is not fundamentally good, nor is he fundamentally evil. We are sinful by nature, but divine by spirit. Caught between the two.

@@bryanalvarado9755 Sin is a belief, it is not a inherent part of our make up. Otherwise, you have to say God created us Sinful. Man is fundamentally good according to what God intended. It's important to not mix up with what you see in your flesh with who you are as a human being.

Andrew Kibler I appreciate your response! This is not to say God created us sinful. Rather, he created us with a choice. Do we follow the “natural” part of man which Paul talks heavily about. Or do we follow the “spiritual” part of man. He who walks by faith. Sin is an inherent part of man but he doesn’t have to be defined by that. The “renewing of your minds” and “the putting off of the old man”, if we start with the assumption that evil is external from man, then there is no need for any renewing.

I don't follow your train of thought in your first paragraph so I am not grasping what you're trying to say. This is not a criticism for the sake of it, but I don't think they way you've written it is as clear as it could be. You seem to think your conclusion is justified by your reasoning, so am very interested to try and understand: would you care to try restating it again for me? Assigning intimacy for one and intellectual ascension to the other is not clear to me, similarly for 'seeing' for one and 'experiencing' for the other. Both involve some form of 'knowing,' but just different ways. Separately (although kind of related), re: second para and options 1 and 2, would I be correct in assuming that in both these two options you'd agree that A&E would 'know' evil in both, but in different ways? i.e. in 1) they would have to 'know' good at the very least of being able to conceive in their minds (imagine) transgressing God's commandment without actually doing it (i.e. knowing evil in the sense of 'seeing' (imagining) evil) while in 2) it would be 'knowing' in the sense of not only directly engaging in evil themselves but also directly experiencing the consequences of that evil? I ask because to my mind I think surely in order for 1) to work, A&E must have at least been able to conceptually mentally and intellectual ascend (think of and imagine) the _idea_ of evil (transgressing God's commandment)? I say this because without the ability to do this, the charge that always comes in free will discussion would hold re: just being puppets/robots without moral autonomy and not actually having any freedom to choose anything other than good, which would make life effectively meaningless/pointless. In fact, by virtue of having the option to engage in sin, I think it would be sound to conclude that it is definitely the case that in both 1) and 2) there remains the necessary freedom to 'know' evil by being able to mentally conceptualise it (imagine it, think about the consequences of choosing to do a particular thing). So when you give option 1) as 'only know good,' I want to understand what you mean by this. Apologies if this doesn't make sense and is rambling, I am very tired.

So... Are you just going to ignore Revelations Chapter 22 verse 2?

@Daulton Horton I agree it applies to that as well but sheep in wolves clothing is not a reference for pastors or leaders. It's a direct reference to those who claim to follow Christ "my sheep know my voice and follow me. Those who are not my sheep do not hear my voice." The neat thing about the Bible is that it likes to allude to various issues with one simple command or rebuttal. There's no shame for any Christian not associating with those who do not have the fruits of the spirit. If we cast pearls before swine they will crush us underfoot without hesitation or mercy.

Nexion Nekros St. Ignatius of Antioch "I have no taste for corruptible food nor for the pleasures of this life. I desire the bread of God, which is the flesh of Jesus Christ, who was of the seed of David; and for drink I desire his blood, which is love incorruptible" (Letter to the Romans 7:3 [A.D. 110]). "Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God…They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes" (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2-7:1 [A.D. 110]). St. Justin Martyr "We call this food Eucharist, and no one else is permitted to partake of it, except one who believes our teaching to be true and who has been washed in the washing which is for the remission of sins and for regeneration [i.e., has received baptism] and is thereby living as Christ enjoined. For not as common bread nor common drink do we receive these; but since Jesus Christ our Savior was made incarnate by the word of God and had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so too, as we have been taught, the food which has been made into the Eucharist by the Eucharistic prayer set down by him, and by the change of which our blood and flesh is nurtured, is both the flesh and the blood of that incarnated Jesus" (First Apology 66 [A.D. 151]). St. Irenaeus of Lyon "If the Lord were from other than the Father, how could he rightly take bread, which is of the same creation as our own, and confess it to be his body and affirm that the mixture in the cup is his blood?" (Against Heresies 4:33-32 [A.D. 189]). "He has declared the cup, a part of creation, to be his own blood, from which he causes our blood to flow; and the bread, a part of creation, he has established as his own body, from which he gives increase unto our bodies. When, therefore, the mixed cup [wine and water] and the baked bread receives the Word of God and becomes the Eucharist, the body of Christ, and from these the substance of our flesh is increased and supported, how can they say that the flesh is not capable of receiving the gift of God, which is eternal life-flesh which is nourished by the body and blood of the Lord, and is in fact a member of him?" (ibid., 5:2). Clement of Alexandria "’Eat my flesh,’ [Jesus] says, ‘and drink my blood.’ The Lord supplies us with these intimate nutrients, he delivers over his flesh and pours out his blood, and nothing is lacking for the growth of his children" (The Instructor of Children 1:6:43:3 [A.D. 191]). St. Cyprian of Carthage "He [Paul] threatens, moreover, the stubborn and forward, and denounces them, saying, ‘Whosoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily, is guilty of the body and blood of the Lord’ [1 Cor. 11:27]. All these warnings being scorned and contemned-[lapsed Christians will often take Communion] before their sin is expiated, before confession has been made of their crime, before their conscience has been purged by sacrifice and by the hand of the priest, before the offense of an angry and threatening Lord has been appeased, [and so] violence is done to his body and blood; and they sin now against their Lord more with their hand and mouth than when they denied their Lord" (The Lapsed 15-16 [A.D. 251]). Aphraahat the Persian Sage "After having spoken thus [at the Last Supper], the Lord rose up from the place where he had made the Passover and had given his body as food and his blood as drink, and he went with his disciples to the place where he was to be arrested. But he ate of his own body and drank of his own blood, while he was pondering on the dead. With his own hands the Lord presented his own body to be eaten, and before he was crucified he gave his blood as drink" (Treatises 12:6 [A.D. 340]). St. Cyril of Jerusalem "The bread and the wine of the Eucharist before the holy invocation of the adorable Trinity were simple bread and wine, but the invocation having been made, the bread becomes the body of Christ and the wine the blood of Christ" (Catechetical Lectures 19:7 [A.D. 350]). "Do not, therefore, regard the bread and wine as simply that; for they are, according to the Master’s declaration, the body and blood of Christ. Even though the senses suggest to you the other, let faith make you firm. Do not judge in this matter by taste, but be fully assured by the faith, not doubting that you have been deemed worthy of the body and blood of Christ…[Since you are] fully convinced that the apparent bread is not bread, even though it is sensible to the taste, but the body of Christ, and that the apparent wine is not wine, even though the taste would have it so,…partake of that bread as something spiritual, and put a cheerful face on your soul" (ibid., 22:6, 9). St. Gregory of Nyssa: “Since it has been shown that in no other way was it possible for our body to become immortal, but by participating in incorruption through its fellowship with that immortal Body, it will be necessary to consider how it was possible that that one Body¸ being for ever portioned to so many myriads of the faithful throughout the whole world, enters, through that portion, whole into each individual, and yet remains whole in itself…, which Body also by the indwelling of God the Word was transmuted to the dignity of Godhead. Rightly, then, do we believe that now also the bread which is consecrated by the Word of God is changed into the Body of God the Word. For that Body was once, by implication, bread, but has been consecrated by the inhabitation of the Word that tabernacle in the flesh. Therefore, form the same cause as that by which the bread that was transformed in that Body was changed to a Divine potency, a similar result takes place now. For as in that case, too, the grace of the Word used to make holy the Body, the substance of which came of the bread, and in a manner was itself bread, so also in this case the bread, as says the Apostle, ‘is sanctified by the Word of God and prayer’; not that it advances by the process of eating to the stage of passing into the body of the Word, but it is at once changed into the body by means of the Word, as the Word itself said, ‘This is my Body.’ …By dispensation of His grace, He disseminates Himself in every believer through that flesh¸ whose substance comes from bread and wine, blending Himself with the bodies of believers, to secure that, by this union with the immortal, man, too, may be a sharer in incorruption. He gives these gifts by virtue of the benediction through which He trans-elements the natural quality of these visible things to that immortal thing.” (The Great Catechism, Ch. 17 [A.D. 385]). St. Ambrose of Milan "Perhaps you may be saying, ‘I see something else; how can you assure me that I am receiving the body of Christ?’ It but remains for us to prove it. And how many are the examples we might use!…Christ is in that sacrament, because it is the body of Christ" (The Mysteries 9:50, 58 [A.D. 390]). St. Augustine of Hippo "I promised you [new Christians], who have now been baptized, a sermon in which I would explain the sacrament of the Lord’s Table….That bread which you see on the altar, having been sanctified by the word of God, is the body of Christ. That chalice, or rather, what is in that chalice, having been sanctified by the word of God, is the blood of Christ" (Sermons 227 [A.D. 411]). "What you see is the bread and the chalice; that is what your own eyes report to you. But what your faith obliges you to accept is that the bread is the body of Christ and the chalice is the blood of Christ. This has been said very briefly, which may perhaps be sufficient for faith; yet faith does not desire instruction" (ibid., 272). Council of Ephesus "We will necessarily add this also. Proclaiming the death, according to the flesh, of the only-begotten Son of God, that is Jesus Christ, confessing his resurrection from the dead, and his ascension into heaven, we offer the unbloody sacrifice in the churches, and so go on to the mystical thanksgivings, and are sanctified, having received his holy flesh and the precious blood of Christ the Savior of us all. And not as common flesh do we receive it; God forbid: nor as of a man sanctified and associated with the Word according to the unity of worth, or as having a divine indwelling, but as truly the life-giving and very flesh of the Word himself. For he is the life according to his nature as God, and when he became united to his flesh, he made it also to be life-giving" (Session 1, Letter of Cyril to Nestorius [A.D. 431]).

The tree of knowledge was not allegorical. God made a literal garden, he placed literal grass and trees and fruit in this garden, and specifically said let the fruit be ur meat. Whats not to understand. Jesus being the tree was allegorical. U have it backwards.