I always thought Phil Collins was great. As I get older I realize that I actually underestimated his enormous talent. One of the best five drummers of all time and one of the best five singers of all time.
I was there for both nights, my father owned The Uptown Theater, so I was there for The Soundcheck also, we had Thousands of bands play the 3 venue's 1 block apart from each other and Those 2 Genesis shows were no doubt the best shows I ever seen!
@@matthewimi I was there, yes this was the only time they played it. They played the chicago stadium on the first leg of the american tour, they hated the sound so they came back to chicago and played the uptown
He fluffed a few notes in the high range on DWTMK. So not one of his best, Phil became a much better singer around 1980, probably the highlight of his singing career with Genesis were some of the 1980-1984 live shows imo.
This is incredibly crisp and a wonderful reminder of just how great Phil's voice could be. And how while he wasn't exactly Peter, his own style made a lot of the early songs "fresh" and just as good imo.
Great musicality in Phil’s voice, but sorry Peter owns this song. Is that still Steve Hackett on guitar? Whoever it is mangled The guitar solo. One of the best parts of the song . Tessitura seems a little high for Phil in the last chorus...
Shaun Kelley Phil is struggling with tessitura in a few parts of DWTMK, it should of been keyed down but Genesis refused to do that at this time, later on in years they came to realise some songs would never be performed again unless they dropped key lol. Phil had some titanic struggles on the 2007 tour with vocals and drum parts, there was a particular part of dukes travels that he couldn’t cope with anymore and they dropped trying it, you probably know the bit I mean, age catches up with everyone in the end.
Wow. Just wow. Proof PC can do PG. In its own way late 70s and early 80s Genesis was brilliant. The setlists retained this level of adventure and inventiveness with a decent smattering of the back catalogue. Gold.
I agree Phil sounds incredible here. His vocals were the best from mid 70's to early 90's I thought. Great crisp sound from the band too. Thanks for posting this.
Genesis always makes me happy,because their music was such perfection in those great 70's. Banks,Gabriel,Rutherford, Collins amd Hackett...Best lineup. This song version greatly lacks Hackett, but still good
As great guitarist Daryl Stuemer is, he often over elaborates where as Steve Hackett always played just the right notes without displaying virtuosity. If anything, it's now only on the Genesis Revisited versions that he expands the guitar parts far more than the original recordings. I am a traditionalist, and like the guitar parts as they are on the originals. Still, give me Hackett any day over any other guitarist. Pure genius.
Agree that Stuermer overplays. He's an excellent guitarist, and I liked him with Jean Luc Ponty, but he never played well in Genesis. Overplayed on guitar, and was at a loss on bass.
Stephen Harper I think he was a great fit for genesis after Peter and Steve left. He wouldn’t have fit at all if he was there originally. But I think he plays this very well for playing the songs his own way. And he’s very good on bass. He was hired as a bassist and “Second Guitarist” That just sounds like ignorance.
I agree. As much as I love Daryl's own solos with Collins, I absolutely hate the way he took the famous hackett taping technique out of the way in this and replaced it with a generic speedy chromatic picking , all of this under the big thumbs up approval of the remaining members of the band. There was clearly a "we don't give a f*** about Hackett" attitude , at least in the early trio days
His voice peaked 82, still didnt fall to below this performances level until the end of the Invisible Tour. His ability to lay onto a perfectly in tune vocal fry was amazing from 1981 to 1982. He trashed his voice in the name of music, and his ears and vertebrae to.
There used to be a bootleg vinyl version of this entire show called "Live From the Mouth of the Monster" (such a killer title)...if ANYONE has this in digital audio versions (I used to have the vinyl but my stuff is in storage), I would be GRATEFUL to get a copy of it.
I find that very odd, Phil was always better than Peter at high notes, but for some reason here he's struggling. I'd say his voice was worn out on this show, and that screaming at the end of The Musical Box doesn't help much either!
Wow! I had no idea they ever performed this much of the song with Phil on vocals! So cool to hear the double drums! And Phil's voice really works well!
Is it just me, cause the the keyboard/drum combo at 4:25 just taps right into my brain and leaves me in a state of bliss. Nice surprise to find the segue into The Musical Box at 6:00. Also, if you need an early Genesis fix, G2 are playing at High Wycombe Old Town Hall, UK on Sat 21st, see you there.
Gabriel’s voice was so unique in that he could “reach” those high notes in this song (without necessarily hitting them). As amazing as Phil was, it sounds here like he’s really straining to hit those notes. Peter was somehow able to pull it off. Tough to sing live for sure.
Wow! I've never heard this song sung by Phil, what a fantastic recording! Although he struggled to hit certain high notes at times, I thought his tone was really good even though a little polite for my taste. Peter sung it with more force and authority and has a fuller tone which suits the song slightly better. Although Darryl Strummer is technically a very good player I think his musicality is lacking because his solo completely ruins it for me. Steve is a true artist who knows how to craft perfect solos that raise the songs to higher emotional levels. Just because you can play fast runs doesn't mean you have to. Finally, another example of how incredible Phil Collins was as a drummer, Chester cannot equal Phil's playing throughout and especially in the closing section of The Musical Box. Listen to Chester playing it here and then listen to Phil playing from the first Genesis Live album and you'll see what I mean. Also listen to the Dancing With The Moonlit Knight version from the Genesis Archive 1967-75 and you will hear Phil's Drum mastery!
Very happy with Phil Collins' performance. It seems that there is only one Steve Hackett, though. 80s generic MTV metal a couple of years in advance, with the guitar bit.
@@caryheuchert In fact, when you listen to "And then there were three", you can see they are trying to keep the same kind of sound as in WW, especially with Burning rope with Mike playing guitar in a way reminescent of Steve, but they just can't pull it off. My opinion is that they realized themselve at this point they couldn't go on without Hackett and do what they were used to do and they evolved to something else. It was the right decision for sure.
Love this version but my sincere listener's critic is: -Sublime keyboards. Tony's set between 1976-1980 is one of my favorites. Love the CP-70 and the organ, plus Mellotrons performed for the last time in this tour. -Generally the band is very good. -Phil Collins does a great job singing the song in his style. Of course he's not Gabriel but his rendition is very powerful. -Loved the transition to Musical Box including part of the original finale, not performed in the Phil's version of Musical Box in any tour since 1977, only as part of the complete track with Peter and Steve until 1975. -Only bad thing about this version is the Stuermer's efforts to play the song in his own. The variations doesn't sound good. In Musical Box he does a better job, but Dancing... was a very difficult song for him. It's one of that few songs where you can think "Is Hackett or nothing". That may be the main reason this song was not played anymore since that day.
Gerry Berry there’s a solo by Rutherford that I love on his (alleged) first crack at lead, Many too many off ATTWT. I love that solo at the end but it should of carried on for longer because it was just getting interesting when it was faded out. Rutherford played some great solos like home by the sea pt2 and the Abacab one comes to mind.
@Gerry Berry Interesting reply but not unexpected. It is safe to say that Collins' presence in the band resulted in more improvisation (he was playing with Brand X during that period). While this occurred in the studio ("Waiting Room" on TLLDoB), once recorded, these tunes were played live as close to the recording as possible. Hackett probably looked at his solos as written parts to be played like a recital. That's all well and good. Their style and execution resulted in one of the best live albums in rock history. One more thing for consideration. The mid to late 70's was a time for guitar shredders. That Genesis went in that direction was no surprise Heck, they picked Steumer for his versatility and skill set. How long would he have stayed in the band had they not liked his contributions. Funny that we don't hear negative comments about Chester Thompson.
I love and I hate Genesis, I love them for everything they've done, and I hate them because they have never played in Mexico. Once I was in Tijuana, a few minutes away from San Diego Sports Arena where they played a few days before I got there, my heart shrank.
I'm a bit surprised that Tony and Mike didn't request Daryl to calm down a bit. Just because you can play lots of fast notes doesn't mean you have to. But then again this is about the time that Eddie Van Halen showed up so I reckon these guys had to show off as well as they could. '78 in particular was the year of nifty guitar solos...just about every song on the radio had one.
As a brilliant and technically excellent guitarist Daryl Stuemer is, he often over elaborates. For me, less is more, and Steve Hackett's style and economy of playing suited the songs better. On these versions of Dance with the Moonlit Knight, and the Musical Box, there is too much flashy overplaying. It is something that Hackett never could be accused of whilst in Genesis. The band really lost out when both Hackett and Peter Gabriel left. However, it cannot be denied that Banks, Rutherford and Collins did write some great material as the trio. Thankfully, there seems now no hope of the classic line-up reforming and playing again. Their time was then. Everything was recorded for all time, and that's where it should stay.
Hackett style is not economy, he that couldn't play that fast :). Stuermer obviously did things in its way because that's his style. And he's american. Imagine a player have to play the exact same shit night after night without changing a note. Not everyone is available to do that. That's what Hackett did and probably Stuermer tried to mix up things in order to not go crazy.
There's no hope I agree. First Phil is in bad condition physically. Second Peter would as always be uncertain to perform badly. Hackett already saturated the market with 20 years of tribute bands to Genesis
So glad Phil is feeling better, and going out for a Genesis world tour with Steve Hackett! Moonlit Knights to follow in 2018!! Peter, just stay home, we got this.
There's this Chicago show in its entirety, and there's the London Lyceum May 6 show from 1980 that is of absolutely excellent quality. You can find them here on RU-vid!
Phil does a great job on the vocal part. But although the guitar playing of Daryl sometimes seeing overpowering he did somewhat of a good job but it's not the great Fitness Genesis guitar playing of Steve Hackett you can tell the difference. But overall a great job
andyman0231 different styles, Stuermer is too noodly for these songs, Firth of fifth solo is terrible when he plays it. Hackett just had that “less is more” feel that’s needed to play those solos properly.
@@knust2329 I mean because of how people say Steve’s a virtuoso so his solos are virtuosic. But Daryl’s solos are just as awesome! In my opinion better usually. Their both extremely talented musicians but I just prefer Daryl’s solo
Miss hackett on this very much! Mr. Strummer does not make the grade here folks! was a great tune live and i loved it> But in looking in my rearview mirror Hacket has to be there to make it right!
Coincido absolutamente con vos, esta debe ser la mejor version del tema que he escuchado. Phil le da vida a los viejos temas de genesis, los saca de la monotonia vocal y los nutre de sentimientos, matices, frescura, intesidad. Les da el acompañamiento merecido, y potencia los grandes pasajes instrumentales propios de la banda.
Dude - do you even know what you're talking about? Daryl is an amazing guitarist. Especially at that time he was way ahead of Hackett technically. Want to hear sloppy guitar playing? Listen to some of the soundboard tapes from The Lamb tour and Steve's solos.
Sloppy? Mike has said repeatedly that Daryl is a technically superior player to himself. IF you want to tell us that you like the way Steve played it better, fine, although the entire band is playing differently in '78 compared to '73. But this "Daryl Sucks" meme has gone on plenty long enough.
@@Drchainsaw77 I assume you mean that Steve said that Daryl is a technically superior player. Because I think everyone can agree that both Daryl and Steve are technically superior to Mike (on guitar). I do think Mike is a great writer and handling bass, acoustic guitar, bass pedals and backing vocals on stage in the 70's is no mean feat either.
@@jasperdevries1726 I don't know of Steve saying any such thing, or of Steve and Daryl having ever mentioned one another. I do recall having heard Mike praise Daryl's superior chops on at least one occasion. Superior, that is, to Mike. No one in the band has made any comparisons that I'm aware of.
@@Drchainsaw77 I have read several interviews with both Daryl and Steve over the years and they have always been complimentary of the other player. In fact, they sat together at the induction of the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and had a lovely chat, according to Daryl :).
He was new to the band, and for the most part did a good job covering Hackett's parts....but, I feel he overstepped his bounds on this tune. The guitar part is integral to the song, and he changed it. Not for the better.
"Ok Daryl, do whatever during the solo,it's all yours, as long as you keep the cues the same as we need ".....they really had this "never cared for Hackett" mentality during that period, so sad.......
Not really, they knew they couldn't find someone to replace Hackett, and they never wanted Daryl to do that. He has a completely different playing style and the band wanted that difference to be heard. Of course, getting someone who was a Hackett rip-off would've set the old fans to go "this guy is trying to emulate Hackett too much", there's no winning in this situation. You people would've never been happy.
Best leave well alone. There should not be a reunion tour. Memories of the classic line-up are well documented, and there would be a sense of anti-climax.
6:33 umm? Oh dear, that thing called incest! But I love it all the same.......the song that is! lol Selling England by the Pound, Best Genesis Album they created! Master piece!
Yes, it sounds softer like he was still used to the more choral and steady backing vocals those first few years. His voice did get stronger by Duke, songs like Squonk at the Lyceum he's got a good deal of oomph, I don't think he could sustain it for all those high notes but I loved what he did with the first verse.
