@@Reezer83 nope. both were. as far as comedic influence is concerned, carlin is way ahead, partly because he lived longer, but either way both are legendary comedy influencers. carlin influenced Chappelle and chris rock too you know.
Numidium Pretty sure they were specifically targeting these guys but thanks for reaching. I'm sure in this dudes preferences, there's many who stand next to Carlin but nice try and thanks for your meaningless contribution to an "argument" you started :)
Numidium surely being as smart as you clearly are... you'll be able to see the false dichotomy you've created in your argument. Which you then used as the basis for a circular argument.
This is the first time I've ever even heard of O&A and my first impression is I never want to hear them again. They should change their name to D&D Dumb & Dumber
Carlin is a Comedic god, Bill Burr would've been even more brutal if they weren't friends. Patrice would've tore them apart since he viewed him as being tied for the greatest comedian of all time with Pryor.
George Carlin moved on from being a jokester and evolved into a comedic philosopher. You want him to have never evolved his comedy? Never change his material or style?
@TheMightyBLAT no. It's comedians' job to "speak truth to power" and raise everyone's consciousness. They're supposed to be self important, not funny. Funny is offensive, and that's just not acceptable. Ask any "comedian" today. They'll tell you how vital they are to society.
If only O&A had the balls to criticize Carlin when he was on their show so he could've actually defended himself and exposed the two for being the hacks that they are.
He was on the show before this. Not sure if you're new but comedians came on and trashed each other everyday. They trashed everything and guests piled on. That was O&A. Carlin was funny but he did become preachy, bitter and lost his drive for comedy. Same with Bill Hicks. People turned from saying how funny they were to applauding their 'message'. Their monologues could have came from the drooling mouth of anybody who's taken acid or mushrooms.
RJG I'm confused... You seem to be critical of George primarily for his material in the latter part of his career, but your criticism is that his "monologue could have came from the drooling mouth of anybody who's taken acid or mushrooms?" You mean, you thought his late 60s and 70s stuff (when he wasn't "bitter and 'preachy") was the opposite of this and thus better? Like old Uncle George would say, "it's all very confusing."
@@rjg4851 ... he was always preachy(!!) goddamn I don't understand it. O&A bashed him and said he wasn't funny on his O&A visit. I was like what?? He was damn funny. And they made him laugh too. But yes he is old. He does circle around the things he knows. Everyone who is 70 no longer is new and catchy. That they said he wasn't funny anymore ... ... his whole view of the world is cynical. That's always been the core of his performance and that never changed till the last day. Saying he changed is such horseshit. He grew old. Well no shit Sherlock.
I used to think at the time that George had become "Grumpy Old Man". But now I see that he was the prophet telling us what we weren't ready to hear. Booga booga. But true.
Ask yourself this question: Would you rather die with George Carlin's legacy or Anthony Cumia's legacy? Exactly. I like Anthony, but he's a really bitter and jaded guy and talks out of his ass sometimes.
This is such a dumb argument. You are allowed to criticise anyone you want even if you couldn't do what they do better than them. If the only way you can defend Carlin is by bashing Anthony, then maybe you don't have much of an argument at all
Opie and Anthony were radio show hosts who hosted the Opie & Anthony Show, a comedy radio show that had stand up comedians on as guests, as well as actors, writers, political figures and various celebrities. Bill Burr was a regular guest and friend of both co-hosts.
R W U can’t be serious! You’re comparing a comedian, who’s job allowed him to pretty much say whatever the fuck he wanted, to 2 radio DJ’s who worked for a company that monitored practically every word that came out of their mouths, not to mention the fact that they ran the risk of getting fired if something wasn’t appropriate enough or PC enough, yea that’s a perfectly fair and balanced comparison (rolls eyes)!!!! Please walk into oncoming traffic you fucking shit for brains!
*plays .0002 seconds of Carlin talking* “Wow this isn’t even funny, he’s lost it.” *Talks over another .000005 seconds* “See this isn’t comedy, he morbid.” How tf are you judging a mans stand up based on a combined 4 seconds of his special....
Did you notice when they paused the clip talked about Carlin and then replayed it George's audience was laughing right after they said this isn't funny at all. These 2 are nothing but a bunch of bitter jealous hacks
MannyFlanders Dude Opie just “accepted that challenge” which amounts to he thinks he can get over on Burr better than Patrice could. What a fucking joke
The Unknown Psycho, that's right, he did know talent and comedy to a decent degree, but he was probably best known for bringing everyone together, he had his place in comedy history, just not for comedy.
I just find it infuriatingly and IRONICLY, annoying that Opie seems to be able to critique faults in Carlins pure gold, without reflecting and learning from them, And instead, being unable to see the IRONY that he's the faults in, even this God Damn Clip! How dare he try and drag Bill into trashing Carlin, it made me cringe so much. He did that purely because he thinks talking at (and somtimes over) funny people until they say something funny, counts as not being a hack radio host.
Carlin was the thinking mans comic. That’s why these dorks don’t like him. Carlin was a goddamn philosopher who talked about extremely relevant things, things that are still very relevant he was a wordsmith.
Don Reuter They were obviously Gate Keepers man. Still are. I mean, wtf was their problem? And Ant just had to fucking add that racist shit in the beginning "It was like he was rapping" lol he's got jokes man and that's what I've always loved about Ant but fuck, when I go back and listen to a lot of shit there is alot of Venom in some of the shit he says.
SYKO THE LAST OUTLAW Shut the fuck up and learn to size people up. Jesus fucking Christ I know not everybody is racist but the flips side to that is not everybody is non-racist either. I've been listening to O&A for 10+ years knowing Ant was a racist, wtf am I gonna do huh?
SYKO THE LAST OUTLAW This isn't a debate, I know what context Anthony put it in, you don't. Stop whining and defending another grown man who has fucked up as many times as Anthony. Him and his brother and father are the same people he bitches about. Hell, they're worse.
Literally agree with this comment. I'm no conspiracy theorist. Carlin spouted absolute facts. He's still correct to this day on the topics that labeled him a "conspiracy theorist". He has been proven absolutely correct. Idiots called them one thing, he called them "the owners". They are still there, they aren't in the shadows now.
Ant's not really conservative. Last I checked he doesn't believe in God and he abhors the institution of marriage and he encourages abortion. Doesn't sound too conservative. He's just not a fanboy of unfunny people.
@@jackgrimaldi8685 Nope. That was old Ant. New Ant (with a straight face mind you) actually laments the loss of family values. He’s become the classic lazy American conservative even he once hated.
That's just not true O&A had some legendary bits with some legendary comedians you just sound hurt and I'm a huge Carlin fan. Even Anthony with his impressions or conversations with Louis C.K, O&A destroying Scorch by themselves is funnier than late 2000's Carlin. Ant was right Carlin was clever and had a flow but not laugh out loud funny in his last few years there was no jokes it sounded more like a lecture like he said. O&A were huge fans of him though you could easily tell did you listen ignorant douche.
Blake Ranew nope just some of his shit is insightful but that doesn't mean not equal funny,but B-lake who that fuck you talking to ? Lol probably Mr. miles who has groupie all over him
I'm sorry but... am I going crazy? I've watched a good portion of George Carlin's shows from the start up until 2008 and... I can tell you for a fact there's no such thing as "Carlin rants for an hour and no jokes". Every 2-5 minutes he either cracks a joke or explain something in a humorous way. Hell, just watch the Religion is Bullshit bit and see how he's point of "babble and then applause" is completely destroyed by the fact that the people are CONSTANTLY LAUGHING. And that's just one bit. In fact, I've laughed harder at Carlin's more recent (90s - 00s) "rants" when he was making a thoughtful critique of current events while keeping the flow with CONSTANT JOKES. Carlin's older material, although still great, was a bit too quick, high energy and impulsive. Most of the time (most, not all) the jokes were stand-up at local club quality, funny but no real reason or meaning to them, just quick stabs for quick laugh.
Listening to this O and A clip makes me happy that I never listened to one before. What a couple of haters. Who dissects 4 lines from a comedy special and burns a dude that paved the way for every comedian working today. Gtfo
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This was one of Carlin's most relevant specials of his career. It might not contain his most hilarious bits but he eviserated pc culture and wasn't afraid to tell the truth when everyone was still in post 911 uber patriotic blindness.
+Damocles' Sword - *"tell the truth"* - you mean spouting retarded 9/11 conspiracy horseshit? I liked Carlin but this image most of his fans have of this profound genius wise man who "saw the truth, _maaaan!"_ and was never wrong about anything is embarrassing.
Carlin barely said anything about 911. He said nothing about it in this special. I was talking about his bit about the"owners of the country".. people are edjucated just enough to run the machines but not ask questions. it's a big club and you ain't in it.
Benedicite Sol I didn't say it was profound. I said it was relevant. Things were different before the internet became ubiquitous. Carlin's career was in constant flux. He changed his style as he got older. At this point he'd added in some of his spoken word dissection of the English language and slang. Nobody says you have to like it. His best stuff was when he could do more physical comedy bits in the 80's & 90's.
Jordan Seymour some people have no imagination, or creativity, and need things put into neat little boxes, with neat little categories. The idea of work your craft, and polishing your act to make it perfect, is anti how these guys function. They adlib. For them, building a flawless craft to perfection, is beyond there comprehensive capability.
Janzer They're Gatekeepers lol they had millions of listeners, and this is how the system keeps people from being exposed to people like Carlin. Gatekeepers, all of them. I mean I was in my late teens going into my 20's when I first started listening to them and when I go back and listen to alot of old shit I think myself "Wow, I was smart but was I really this ignorant back then?" Its like some shit out of a book.
@@-Trauma. They're hardly gatekeepers, like honestly even if you hate O&A you're just stupid if you say that, when they've given chances to your favorite comedians. Like bill burr mightn't be as famous as he is today without O&A, his philly rant happened on an O&A tour. George Carlin was literally on O&A himself, so how are they gatekeeping him?
@@trickster6669 You're here on this video replying to me because you thought I was being serious...go to the bathroom, turn the lights off, and look at yourself in the mirror.
Ant is reaching sooooo badly in this bit. I get what he's trying to say about the preachy stuff, but old Carlin was way more thought provoking, funny and savage than young Carlin. Even his shittiest material is more relevant than Ant's tired black joke/ass backwards political talk. Ant's only useful when bantering with Jimmy Norton, which was when he was at his funniest. Besides, that Carlin bit of memorizing those rhymes only lasted less than 5 minutes out of his entire special. Big deal. They cherry picked his preachy political parts of the special, when there were plenty of actual jokes outside of that.
J P189 No real point to that question. No one could ever know the answer. The fact is he is dead and is still talked about with the likes of Lenny Bruce, Richard Pryor, etc. Plenty of artists have had no relevance in life and exploded after death. George stayed in the spotlight both in life and death.
The first time I ever saw a stand up special it was George Carlin Life is worth losing at age 12, by myself I nearly shat my pants with laughter. I love Ant but he sounds salty.
Chux Diaz I was like 8yo when I saw the “Stuff” bit that hack Opie loved so much and became a lifelong fan. He did for you and I what he did for millions of fans throughout his like 50 year career and these two hacks not only thought they could trash him but that Bill Burr of all people would join in.
Chux Diaz Ant.......when the fuck was Ant EVER relevant...... Who the Fuck is Ant?! Life is worth Losing was fucking brilliant! Being too fucking asshat stupid to understand it doesn't make it bad. He passed unexpectedly a year before I had a chance to ever see him and to hear these retards say he was terrible and they walked out makes me sick to my stomach.
These guys say there’s no joke in this recording. That’s cause they didn’t play the recording. They didn’t play it for more than 3 seconds at a time. What do you expect?
This aged terribly, because years later Ant has mentioned how right and genius Carlin was at predicting everything in his later standups. They are very relevant and funny now in 2021. Ant had a face off change of mind on compound media.
Like 2 months later the man dies. You think he might have a reason to be morbid? He had his first heart attack 30 years prior to this conversation. And Opie thinks he can get over on Burr better than Patrice can?!? Is that the funniest joke Opie made in his entire radio career? We’re still worshiping at the altar of Carlin 10 years after he’s dead. Where are either of these clowns? Thank God Burr called them out for the hacks they were.
25:10 for the Burr calling out hack. But yeah Carlin did like 20 albums. The one after "Life is Worth Losing", called "It's Bad For Ya" was a little better received, as he got some flak for the nihilistic tone of "Life is Worth Losing". In any case, I like everything he ever did, and generally agree with Bill in this clip, at least over O&A. Edit: and yeah, Anthony's show isn't near as good as O&A was, same with Jim and Sam. Fucking sad what happened to this show.
10 years already. :( Man. I fucking miss him. Carlin and Cosby(even though his extra curricular activities were deplorable) shaped my comedy tastes. And "Modern man" was just Carlin having fun and showing off then rolling into his show. Great opening to a solid show.
Neg Ative. Every OP comment I've seen under this video is Pro-Carlin and Anti-O&P. When there's as many likes as dislikes you know you're in the minority by far. I wouldn't doubt they lost subscribers on this one
What the hell are they talking about? You play random incomplete clips from the first ten minutes of a special and rag on it. That was a funny special, they're nuts.
Some carbon copy hack radio show duo that's never done an original thing in their lives being disrespectful to a legendary originator past his prime, then talking about being "brave". Good job.
You're right about carlin, but O&A are far from hacks or a carbon copy, it really just shows what you know about comedy that you'd call O&A hacks, especially when George Carlin himself was on the show and enjoyed it but you are right, Ant is just being a douche because he just hates Carlins political views
Carlin’s the best stand up comedian of all time period. His older specials were great. It’s not bitterness when everything he said was honest and true. He was the ultimate obliterator of stupid BS. The only people who sound bitter to me are O+P. RIP George Carlin
George Carlin being shit on by someone who can barely talk and couldn't say anything funny if he was reading a Mel Brooks script out loud. That, Alanis, is ironic.
Carlin was much more of a social commentator than a comedian in the final act of his career. He still had VERY relevant material in the 90s & into the new millennium. Cumea is a hack
11:40 Anthony lectures the audience about how George Carlin lectures to his audience without any jokes (while not making any jokes) Maybe if George Carlin did OJ song parodies and beat his wife then Anthony would be a fan.
I think his rant is genius, his monologue on how he strings on those topics together. Yeah he sounds a little out of touch but it's still funny. No not as hilarious as his older specials but that's how every artists goes. Ups and downs is a part of it when you keep comparing there work to previous success. As a person who binged all of George Carlin for the first time. His genius is there for every special. He can't make the ridiculous faces and motions as his younger self is the only difference.
I dislike Opie as much as the next guy but the way he brought reluctant Burr into the conversation was so skillful that I actually considered it being an accident. Give credit where credit is due.
Wow Bill Burr throwing out some truth and for a cringe worthy transformation from corny,behind your back , flopping fish out of water into a sweet sixteen discussing their clothing brands then go back to being a "hack" . Thank you Burr for exposing a shock jock moment
Bill Burr, comedian, Anthony Cumia, radio show host, Opie Hughes, radio show host, and the guy they're talking about is George Carlin, deceased comedian. One would think you'd have some idea who they are since you clicked on the video.
E101ification I know Bill Burr but its hard to believe they were talking shit about Carlin. He doest need that to be relevant. The other cunts you mention, yeah no idea who are they, certainly not comedians
One of them died or something, and I'm not talking about Carlin. Now there's only the one that's on the show. We're halfway to the end of the suffering of many listeners whose phones or car radios are broken.
Carlin hurt some peoples feelings with what he said. He knew that the stuff he was saying would be penalized in some form or fashion. Therefore, he was thinking ahead. Comedy is the truth.
Ant bashing George Carlin on the guy's 45th year in his career... Ant won't even be in the business anymore on his 45th year, let alone be relevant. Plus, how many entertainers (comedians, musicians, and actors) can remain relevant and stay at their peak in their 45th year?
I hate that. All those old comedians with legendary status. I think students became the masters. Carlin for sure wasn't at the cutting edge of comedy in his 70s...
This is one of my favorite O and A clips ever. Any other radio douche would have just kissed Carlin's ass. I love that they're mostly doing it just to fuck with Bill too lol
I get why some people might dislike the bit they played here, but I actually loved it. Yeah it's a bit poetic, but that's the idea. Carlin was always into language. Most of his earlier themes revolved around language, and he never stopped doing that. So here, he isn't just talking about the peculiarities of the things people say, but he's demonstrating it by reciting the shit he wrote. It's not for everybody, ok, but cut him some slack. Try writing for once, write some rhythmic patterns, and try to say something meaningful; see how well you do. That's the point; it's showcasing his linguistic skills, and I can appreciate that. It doesn't have to be funny, the main point is to try and produce something that is linguistically clever, but still makes some kind of sense. It is why Eminem is considered a great lyricist; because he has amazing rhyming skills, but still manages to actually say some shit that's worth listening to. That's what Carlin is doing in that bit, and I really don't mind that it's not super funny. I do agree with Ant, however, that towards the end, Carlin came off as a bitter old man. He managed to make it funny most of the time, but there were definitely moments during his last shows where I felt like he was just a too angry, and I never liked that. I do respect Ant's opinion as well, because Ant is one of the funniest guys I've ever heard. But he was being too harsh on Carlin.
I find that the people who accuse Carlin of being "bitter" are incapable of facing the truth. Really now...whose point of view best reflects reality? Yours or his?
That makes no sense. What are you even trying to say? One's perspective on life is completely subjective, but people notice it when others are bitter. You can be critical all you want, but you can do it without the anger. Sometimes, you have to be angry, that's certainly true, but I got the feeling that Carlin, towards the end, was indeed bitter. In some of his material at least, and its presentation. I can't comment on his personal life. What's wrong with that observation? Am I not facing the truth? What truth would that be? And truth according to who? And what exactly is reality anyway? Since it's all subjective and based on personal experiences, I can say whatever I want. My views are a better presentation of reality than Carlin's, yes. What else? Would you like me to say that Carlin's view of the world was truer than mine is? It's not, not from my point of view at least. Or would you say that your own sense of the world is inferior to Carlin's? Or do you mean something specific? Because you made a very vague claim about it. Do you own objective reality, so that you can compare people's opinions and views and see which one's closer to the truth? Cause if you don't, then what makes you say that Carlin's views are truer than mine? All I said was that Carlin was bitter, which is an opinion. Is that the criterion? If someone's angry, and some other calls him bitter for it, does that automatically mean that the latter's view of reality is inferior to the former's?
+Kelly Brandmeyer - Wait, what? Of course he doesn't. How can you agree with someone who has different politics than you? Having different politics than someone else is just another way of saying you disagree with them - I mean, it literally means the same thing. Your sentence might as well have said "Of course Anthony doesn't agree with anyone he doesn't agree with." It's impossible by definition to agree with someone you disagree with. It might possibly be the most pointless comment I've ever read.
When was this originally recorded???? What is the purpose of this upload/reupload? There is a purpose. Otherwise you, (the uploader) wouldn't have done it. Answer the question.
The problem is that O and A have a small idea of what comedy must be and the next issue is that they label Carlin a comic. Carlin was a philosophical comedian and a writer. Labeled the “thinking mans comedian” and it couldn’t be more true. From my teenage years until this day I’ve never listened to Carlin with an expectation to laugh a lot. I listened to learn and think and laugh occasionally. At no point have I ever been bored listening to Carlin. If you’re not laughing while hearing him, you should be thinking.
I just find it infuriatingly and IRONICLY, annoying that Opie seems to be able to critique faults in Carlins pure gold, without reflecting and learning from them, And instead, being unable to see the IRONY that he's the faults in, even this God Damn Clip! How dare he try and drag Bill into trashing Carlin, it made me cringe so much. He did that purely because he thinks talking at (and somtimes over) funny people until they say something funny, counts as not being a hack radio host. Also Uncle Paul is a great wingman, punching out.
my friend had a hand held tape recorder and we recorded the george carlin show on vhs when we were kids, the way carling goes huh? he says it like HEH!? in that deep raspy voice. we recorded that and looped it over and over on dual decks and played carlin saying HEH?! for about 45 minutes until his mom came in and told us to stop laughing so loud and took the tape from us lol
How relevant are these guys? Carlin sounds forced? Shitting on Carlin is something that has to be forced. If you don't like his stuff, then treat yourself like the confusing CD player, at his age trying to mock him, is really stupid. Stupid people expect brilliance from everybody but themselves.
i know im in the minority here but george carlin isnt great imo, to me hes facebook if it was a human being. Hes not saying anything new or revolutionary.
To borrow the words of someone else on this thread, Carlin was the LSD of comedians- not only did he hit you with good real content, but the way he did it was an actual performance. Shit that guy performed his ass off. He was alive on stage when a lot of comics stumble around the stage and putz around. This guy was a stage animal. It was like watching a regular good pitcher pitch vs watching Randy Johnson pitch- that guy brought pitching to life, there was no boring game he played in. Not a lot of people enjoy it but his prose and approach were what made Carlin great- he'd use an amalgamation of catch phrases around a topic to critique they way we talk, the way we talk about a topic, and would then dip into the content and then back out again. He used every part of the joke buffalo.
No doubt Howard Stern blew the door open for uncensored radio and Opie&Anthony opened the door for unstructured, free flowing, long form conversational radio and they deserve all the props for that, but this is a pretty garbage and narrow minded view they have on Carlin’s later specials, I’m surprised that Bill didn’t put them in their place. I LOVED Carlin’s last specials, I think 90’s Carlin was the best followed by late 70’s and 80’s Carlin, but I love them all and I think when you’ve been a genius writer and making people laugh for 40 years you can structure your last routines however the fuck you want and he did. He was a different kind of comedian, any real comedian can see the genius in his writing and the power and command of language he had. I don’t know how cognizant he was that he was nearing the end of his life, but his last two seem like a goodbye eulogy and I think they are beautiful in that way. Carlin said dozens of times that he was a writer first and when someone like Carlin is that good at it I will gladly enjoy it, it’s Carlin being Carlin.
Some radio nobody from a shit radio show that’s a cheap knock off of the Howard Stern Show critiquing one of the top 3 comedians of all time. Gotta love the age of the internet.
Carlin Rulez !!!!!! He was bitter towards the end because he'd seen alot more history unfold brfore him in his lifetime than any of the hacks on this panel. His later material was more of a display of discontent rather than an attempt at a comedic show. " There's a big fuckin club and you ain't in it." Long Live King George.!!!!
Hate to say it but Ant has some solid points here.....Carlin did turn into the leftist preachy get off my lawn older ass hole that wasn’t really funny just clever and smart and could rant on the country’s issues in a poetic style. Genius comic regardless. #2 all time.
Anthony's style of reviewing Carlin's jokes: *Plays 2 seconds of a bit at a random point* "Where's the jokes?!" How about play the whole bit and you will hear the jokes, padawan. *Plays randomly selected parts of 'Modern Man'* "What is this, Beat poetry?" Listen to the words, ya fool; the point of this opening bit is to set the tone for the rest of the show, and in it he illustrates how the content of our language is empty. Carlin isn't Artiel Lange; his jokes aren't something that construction workers would spit at each other while they're throwing used condoms down a manhole cover, they're a completely different level.
I think "Life is Worth Losing" was Carlin's weakest special. Like a Lenny Bruce style. But his last one "It's Bad For Ya" was amazing! I love old man Carlin. I enjoy the raw bitterness. Makes me feel better about all my own fuck ups.
I mean I get it, they have to try and trash relevant people to try and remain relevant. But old Carlin was still brilliant, still had me in stitches. I feel like he also have an axe to grind. I mean WTF they stop the tape every 10 seconds. If you stopped and picked apart ANY comedy special every 10 seconds, fucking up the flow of it, you're going to rob it of alot of the humor. Anyone who has a clue of comedy knows that how funny something is is not only a flow of energy, a rhythm, and also changes depending on the energy in the room. So yeah, if you give a insecure heckler a mic and allow him to interrupt the comic whenever you'll ruin the act.
