Here are the timestamps. Please check out our sponsors to support this podcast. Transcript: lexfridman.com/george-hotz-3-transcript 0:00 - Introduction & sponsor mentions: - Numerai: numer.ai/lex - Babbel: babbel.com/lexpod and use code Lexpod to get 55% off - NetSuite: netsuite.com/lex to get free product tour - InsideTracker: insidetracker.com/lex to get 20% off - AG1: drinkag1.com/lex to get 1 year of Vitamin D and 5 free travel packs 1:39 - Time is an illusion 11:18 - Memes 13:55 - Eliezer Yudkowsky 26:19 - Virtual reality 32:38 - AI friends 40:03 - tiny corp 53:24 - NVIDIA vs AMD 56:21 - tinybox 1:08:30 - Self-driving 1:23:09 - Programming 1:31:06 - AI safety 1:56:03 - Working at Twitter 2:33:46 - Prompt engineering 2:39:42 - Video games 2:55:57 - Andrej Karpathy 3:06:02 - Meaning of life
Thanks for this one Lex, you seemed more intimidated than normal at the start, but then I realized you were just tired since you slept poorly. I hope you do your next interview with GeoHotz wearing a Hawaiian shirt, and go go-carting together.
I was just going saying this to someone else, about 90% of people genuinely good. The reason why there's so much horrible crap going on in the world is because the 10% without moral limits are able to accumulate tons of money that way, by for one example of many, letting them externalize costs onto a third party, i.e. Haliburton putting the cost on the U.S. and it's military for the Iraq war. Or Dupont putting it on their local farms. The dynamic is such that with all the accumulated wealth, the dictation of people's conduct increases that some much smallers total influence on the world to a much greater extent than if they hadn't been taking advantage of he human agreements designed to increase co-operation. It's the reason why social media went from causing that era of feeling wonderful about the world to an absolute crap hole, the bad people took over tech and re-expressed it's algorithms to block out certain elements and retrain you sociologically to the paradigm that most suits them. And that paradigm is tons of small groups, demographics, fighting amongst themselves, because that serves the powerful. Because the one scenario they lose power is in altered mass human agreement, and people are waking up to the need. Many are also highly manipulated by the demographic wars, which is hilarious. So in other words, this guy is on point with his central theme on everything. I'm not sure he was always able to express it perfectly, but in some areas he did very well.
I am homeless, please, no pity wanted. Thanks to free public library Wi-Fi, I don’t miss my Lex Fridman podcasts. I am grateful for you Lex. Keep up the good work. Please raise awareness of us United States Citizens that are less fortunate. We need to take care of home, our starving and educate our children. It’s not like the future depends on it.
My mom was George’s lunch aid in 2nd Grade. He would tell her how him and his dad would pick up old computers on rubbish night and fix them. Glen Rock loves you George ❤
Haha, love your mom for listening to him. By contrast, my 2nd grade teacher mocked me in front of the whole class for talking about nuclear power plants. Telling to students: "Ignore him, he's weird." while pointing to me.
@@pspT61feel the same way, its so humbling and inspiring. A thing that also special about him is that he is straight up with everything, no bullshit and dude never soldout
Fascinating conversation. I can't get past the sense that George has somehow retained the philosophical complexity of a rebellious 14 year old while blossoming as an entrepreneur. it's interesting.
It's so weird. His obsessions are simple and dumb while he's capable of understanding and approximate solutions of hard, complex stuff. 'Women are attracted to status and power and men are attracted to youth and beauty.' That is so incredibly basic and incel culture that he loses his credibility in an instant.
@@a-j.2002study cultures across geography and time, see the scientific literatures about marriage, divorce, hypergamy, monogamy, sexual dimorphism, evolutionary psychology etc and see how right "incels" are. Namecalling does not impose reality to follow your sets of ideological positions.
@@c.chinaski3156mmm it’s a lie though sadly. People look for character traits in partners. Status, power, youth, and beauty are all positive attractors for both sexes, they are not mutually exclusive or exercised by one sex more than the other in a more consistent fashion. Also, both sexes may look for those qualities in a mate, but there are other qualities that they may consider more highly. For example trust, honor, empathy, attention span, a knack for humor, confidence, grace, the desire to nurture other people, ability to learn from criticism… all of these traits are often prized more highly then beauty and youth combined for a monogamous long term relationship. Only children that haven’t been a part of long term relationships think it’s all about status, power, beauty, and youth. It’s fatherless behavior frankly… it’s obvious you’ve had terrible male role models throughout your life. Or you’re just choosing to ignore the good ones.
@@siddharthverma1249 Evolutionary psychology is speculative at best. The only thing we know about yawning is that it didn't hinder the survival of our ancestors. That's all: anything more is just a guess. It is much safer to say that women are attracted to _admirable_ men. Socially-conscious women may be attracted to men of status but only insofar as it indicates admirability. You do not need to roll up to the coffee shop in a Ferrari and enter with your gold watch and Aviators that hang from your V-neck to beat the competition for the cute nerdy girl you've been eyeing. That's a five year old's conception of how adults interact.
I am the opposite, he is smart but I can’t stand his contrarian personality. He says GPT is as smart as a chicken yet GPT reasons better than most humans and GPT is not interesting because we solved chess 20 years ago. His contrarian hot takes generates so many contradictions, I feel like he is playing a cartoon character of himself because he is too smart to be generating so many contradictions.
I feel like Lex is asking questions he doesn't understand enough to talk intelligently about them, but covers well by generalizing Hotz's statements. Helps everyone understand, and forces George to keep to task. Love this, not throwing shades.
If you want to understand how deeply insightful William Gibson was when he wrote Neuromancer - the core of the plot is an AI (Wintermute) using all the information it has about individuals to build a team that it then influences by playing them against each other to accomplish it's goal - joining with another AI (Neuromancer) to create a super intelligence. Wintermute even makes the point to Case (the lead protagonist) that it "does not plan - it recognizes possibilities and then creates situations".
@ChristopherCorvo I'm peaked. Going to look this up but can either of you or both share what you perceived as difference between Wintermute and Neuromancer? Basic and complex differences are most welcome!
Lex, honestly I hope your work lasts an eternity. These conversations you are putting out are like a Rosetta Stone or library of Alexandria for future historians to understand a major changing point in history.
I just hope that the changing point in history being studied isn't how Big Tech Bro culture and their "hold my Bulletproof coffee and watch this" attitude towards AI dragged ALL of humanity into a fascist AI hell we cannot escape from. These guys are making decisions for all of us, without our understanding or consent.
Best synergy AND they seem to make each other a hell of a lot funnier, too - just back to back zingers and quotes. I wouldn’t be mad if George was a recurring guest, and if Lex was ever busy it would be dope to see Geohot as the guest host interviewing people on Lex’s behalf. They’ve got a great thing going here!
Listening to George Hotz is like discovering a rare, soulful funk track from the '60s - it's a captivating blend of rhythm and intellect that keeps you hooked. Just like good old funk, his discourse never misses a beat! :D
@lexfridman need a debate between Hotz and Yudkowsky, Hotz is the only person I’ve heard who understands the risk as well as EY, yet disagrees, having them hash it out is an important step in figuring out how society should proceed with AI safety regulations
Complexity is not entropy. I disagree that complexity is evil. I enjoy degrees of complexity, it keeps me interested. Think of any great book or movie of painting. Sometimes what makes it so good is attributed to it's complexity.
George's intelligence, honesty, humour and transparency is enlightening and inspirational. If I had more programming chops, I would love to work with him.
I get the entertainment value of the conversation style, but every now and then it seems like George just says something because it sounds really complex and deep and cannot simply be disproven, nor can it be proven. Matthew McConaughey did the same thing to an extent, but way better - it stayed fun to listen to and he didn’t state it so matter of fact. You need charisma to get away with it seems. I’m sure George is really intelligent, just not nearly as intelligent as he’d like to sound. Still like listening to Lex though.
I just can't get enough of these two, I love geo, he's like an idol to me. I don't understand half of the things that he says (techinical stuff) but I just love to listen to him. Lex please keep bringing him to the podcast.
Some people don't realize how cool and smart George Hotz is. Dude is a tech prodigy and hacking pioneer who's accomplished incredible things. What's even more impressive is that he's a good-natured human who cares about others.
His technical credentials are one thing, but after listening to the end of the podcast his politics are pretty clearly that of Libertarians even as he calls himself Centrist (that Libertarians like to do, because it sounds better than the truth that they're right-leaning). He says he's fine with a dictatorship because he thinks it would be a benevolent one, not understanding that wannabe-dictators tend to LIE and say they're for populist policies when they couldn't care less (and then throw the people who elected them under the bus as soon as they've been granted enough power by those supporters). Him and Elon REALLY need to get their heads out of the right-wing politics rabbit holes they've let themselves fall down into....(for goodness sake, saying he would "rather die than have to rely on UBI from the government"....it wouldn't be FOR you, it would be for those who are more likely to die WITHOUT it....nothing would be stopping you from making more ON TOP of UBI....) But instead of accepting that kind of advice, they write it off as being just "from a hater", as if no reasonable person could come to such a conclusion after listening to them.
Glass half full. Security over freedom is oversupplied and is losing its value. You can see the demand for freedom increasing globally. Wherever freedom is established, that’s where the talent and money will go. Rates of change are accelerating at a pace where bottlenecking everything won’t be sustainable for much longer.
I agree, but it is always a trade off, you never really have freedom. If everyone has the freedom to do what they want, how do you prevent someone from exercising their freedom on someone else, who's freedom would be taken away? So someone has freedom and someone is getting fcked. :) it's a really hard question to be honest. What you need to ask is, the freedom for as many people as possible, that is where regulation comes in. In the perfect world this would be enough, but in the real world you have too many powerful conflicting interests, so someone is still getting fcked somewhere :)
I absolutely loved this conversation, not many people would even be able to understand this conversation because you two completely nerded out and i loved it
I know I'm 10 months behind, but I love this guy. "OMG, have you met humans?" "OMG, we can lose CONTROL? I hope we lose control." "Anarchy you have a chance."
George is fantastic, calling out Lex's "charitable interpretations" haha I love it. Great guest, and great chemistry between you both Lex, MORE GEORGE HOTZ!
I don't know wtf is with all the amazon comments (yet?) but just wanted to show my love for George. Awesome guest and single-handedly sparked my love for computing.
This is probably the best podcast episode in the history of anything. It's only been 20 mins and you've already covered 6 hours worth of very complex questions and answers.
"We end up amusing us to death..." George Hotz reminds me of something Soren Kierkegaard said in his Either/Or: "A fire broke out backstage in a theatre. The clown came out to warn the public; they thought it was a joke and applauded. He repeated it; the acclaim was even greater. I think that's how the world will come to an end: to general applause from wits who believe it's a joke." It's mostly alarming. Thanks for this episode Lex.
Thats a brilliant insight; also why we need guardians. Something that stands outside the system; someone who pulls the switch that directs at least some of the people to the basement so we preserve this experiment. Currently AI is our best chance; cos any humans we pick will have something against them by a certain class of the population; a truly decentralized AGI could be entrusted with a single task 'Don't let humanity die out!'
So nice seeing a picture of him smiling as the thumbnail rather than a picture from his UFC profile. He's got a great smile, should promote it more often.
George Hotz is one of the most entertaining, brilliant people on the planet. Possibly biased because we agree on so many topics, but whatever. He's hella fun to listen to.
Hotz in my opinion is one of the most genuine people in tech. Super smart, talented and hasn’t fallen victim to the alt-left or right. Keep it real brother!
Been waiting for this! We need to have George on the podcast regularly, at least once a year. Such an interesting personality! Thank you Lex and George 🙏🙏 You guys are my heroes 😀😀
GeoHot is a legend for creating Cydia (best jailbreak of the iPhone). I hope you guys recognize how valuable this conversation was, not just educationally but mindset-wise. A lot of high-level engineering and first principle discussions in this video. Truly inspiring for people like me at the forefront of the fastest growing trillion dollar industry (terraforming the planet with agritech)
I enjoy the podcasts between these 2 soooo much. I would love to see Lex get on stream with Hotz and have real time viewer feedback / questions. Although maybe the beauty and alchemy of the conversation are what make them so good.
1:23:14 its always humbling to hear one of the best speak about coding, i am doing it for 10 years and earn a good salary by doing so but o boy do i feel like a novice compared to them. and thats why i love the show, you are helping me to stand on the shoulders of giants lex
Always awesome listening to this guy. Been following him for years. I love how whenever your on a topic no matter how crazy George is able to pop off like when he was talking about “two different stacks” of life.
dear lex, thank you so much for being an inspiration of what you can achieve with being kind, persistent and open minded. love your reading list for this year. I am more of a Benjamin, and I see you as old major. a kind, grandfatherly philosopher of change
I don’t think it’s meant to be funny all the time. He just has totally different brain matter and thinks so logically that it seems dreadful to normal humans. He’s a gifted human.
I dont know how he got in the algorithm so DEEP but if i fall asleep with Ytube on autoplay i wake up to Lex...if i go out and leave the Tv playing ytube for my Dog ...i come home its playing Lex... i dont really search for him i am not subbed , i think its the guests ...the same used to happen with Jo rogan and JP
Im glad he is. He should be ;) If aliens ever send a ticking time bomb to Earth, Hotz is gonna be the guy to jailbreak and dismantle it just in the nick of time ;)
Great conversation, Hotz is super crazy 😂..listening to him gives me nostalgia from watching "Pinky and the Brain" cartoon as a kid. Lex doesn't sound like Pinky but George definitely sounds like "the Brain" when talking about his plans. 😂😂😂
One of my favorite conversations to date. Thank you Lex. Would be curious to listen to you talk with the head of Adobe. See how they see the use of AI in creativity.
Its obvious from this why he'll never fit INSIDE any corporate system - he'll likewise never survive the military. He's a guardian* by design. Generally the Taker-system abhor people like him; you don't want an employee who also has interesting thoughts about the general architecture of the entire puzzle into which he must plug like a worker bee. Its just incredibly refreshing to listen to you man - you remind me of Oppenheimer - a man with irrepressible curiosity and courage.
This is one of the best interviews. I got a bunch of laughs because lex is so unafraid to be a humble dumbass. I say that with all respect. George is the most interesting person under 40.
Hotz is one of the smartest people on this planet. Hes unconventional. Hes a tinkerer. Im not saying hes einstein, but the world needs more thinkers like him.
Crazy every time I see this guy I'm reminded he's younger, smarter, and more successful than me. Most people I look at them and think "I could do that in half the time" but holy shit. And to see him be so much better at coding, planning ahead, and yet he's clearly also had the time to read some things I haven't. The best Lex episodes are when you have to stop and Google stuff. Pretty much every time I see a 1hr+ George Hotz video I have to stop and search something. I learn something every time. That doesn't happen to me with many other people. Wish I had real life friends half as smart as this guy.
I love Hotz. We have very, very similar personalities(not saying thats good or bad), and thats pretty rare. Its hard to find friends like that. Its hard to find anyone in my town who thinks for themselves and doesnt live in the moment...
@@Scorch428 Here's the big one for me. How do we withdraw from society? The end trap, the funnel back to the hamster wheel, seems to be property taxes. Being labeled a Kulak and ending up in a ditch is a concern but isn't certain, I find it somewhat unlikely. Property taxes though... I just don't see a way around it. It's what actually forces us to work. Sales tax is more or less a choice. Property tax is the trap and I hope there is an escape.
Yea every time I watch his livestream of reading a research paper and implementing that solution from scratch, I get reminded that their are people miles ahead in terms of intelligence and is very humbling
