cory_stereo unnecessary homophobia, if you can voice your criticism without saying the Nword you should understand how to do it without saying slurs of other ostracized groups.
When he was talking about how he loves to make homages to works of fiction that he respects, I remembered that in A World Of Ice And Fire he named two of Catelyn's ancestors Elmo and Kermit Tully x'D
@@Alegend.91 edmure in the books is not stupid like the show portrays him as, he is young and inexperienced, which is why some of the things he does (like engaging the mountain's troops at the stone mill) happen.
1:08 "In the Tyrion chapter where he's "traveling" with Catelyn to the Vale, the three men-at-arms in service to Lord Bracken who are escorting them are Lharys, Mohor, and Kurleket. Larry, Mo, and Curly"
In background lore surrounding the Dance of Dragons era, there is a Lord Grover Tully, succeeded by his grandsom Elmo Tully, who was in turn succeeded by his own sons Kermit Tully and Oscar Tully.
One of the things I really like about the books is that none of the characters say that the Gods of another religion don't exist. One might worship the Seven but they don't make fun of the Tree Gods, they'll just say something like "oh, well, here in the South, the Old Gods don't have much power."
That is also something that I really like, it's like they all accept all gods can exist and it is just a matter of the place and the circunstantes, like (completley fake nom related example) "the god of he who didn't come back favors the families of those who lose their life in war" "oh really? Well my gods, the gods of the fizzlerocks favor those who stay silent and are wise". Like none denies the existence of any god and are just accepting, maybe sometimes scared of some gods like Caitlyn when she was weirded out by the gods of the north that were like tree gods, bit she was like "those gods were weird, she prefered to follow those she knew and trusted: the seven, despite of them not having that much power in this place, it feels better". It's really cool how it does not mirror reality in this aspect.
This attitude towards religion really resembles the way it was handled in classical antiquity. Many cities and tribes had their own protector deities and pantheons and across the faiths they were partly seen as incarnations of each other and partly as a different kind of entity. For example the Romans adored the god Saturn, whom was partially identified with the Greek Chronos, but had a lot of different aspects to his personality and sphere of influence. Since there was a huge variety of deities and since they were partly the personification of concepts it was really easy to just see religion as a continuum where the same concept - like nature, time, war, peace, knowledge, wisdom, fertility, love, justice, mischief, art, health, sickness, death and others - could be incarnated under different names and with different mythical stories associated to it. And reversely the same name could be associated with different concepts.
DoubleO88 that figures, historically it's the monotheistic religions that are more expansionist and less tolerant. I guess if you've only got one God, it's difficult to incorporate other divine entities into a moral doctrine.
@jhon doe I really don't get what are you trying to say. Are you saying that god doesn't exist but nature magic does?Or are you saying that god exist but he didn't create hensen's disease and nature magic did? So both exist but they are separate? OR are you saying that neither god nor nature magic exist but its about man being mean to nature and that upsets some kinda of balance? Then you mention african spirituality, so is that what you believe in? Please explain.
@jhon doe Nature doesn't have a brain, nature is a concept not an entity that can have thoughts and make decisions.So when you talk like that about nature, you're turning nature into your god.Gods are not a white man concept at all so why bring race into it ?
The god of the old testament. He's different to the god in the new testament. One is the god of everything physical the other is a god of spirits and unseen things.
@@torinjones3221 And what does that even mean ?It's the same god in the book, it's the same god in the church.Tell me that the god of the Old Testament is not the real Christian and Jewish god.
@@roppor4151 But one thing for sure is you're going to die. It doesn't matter what you believe in, it's just a belief. The thing we all know for certain which is a hundred percent a fact is that you're gonna end up dead.
@@cinemacola6398 the belief is emportant thing so you can not say it doesn't matter I do not know if you are an atheist and I have nothing to do with it it your life But for many people believing in something means that they are 100% sure about it
@@roppor4151 Whether or not you believe in something, he's stating that you're gonna die regardless of what you believe in. It has nothing to do with your belief system or an afterlife. Seriously, save your religion for someone who gives a shit.
@@cinemacola6398 That's not actually the purpose of religion lol, although i despise christanity, Islam and judaism. Religions Like daoism, or pagan mythology in europe like the greek or germanic one is actually very benifical. They are not meant to be taken literally they are just a portrayal of archetypes and manifestations/ symbols of our ancestors worldview and experience. Just Look how extremely developed pagan societies were, religion has a gigantic impact on societies.
Oh how I could listen to him explain in deep detail like this on the entire books. I have always wanted to write a book but have been scared that no one would enjoy it. I love how he takes things from long ago in our history and turn it into not just a fantastic fantasy story but an entire world. I really do hope they make all the prequals.
He didn't mention it, I don't know if it was intentional but the Old Gods also remind me of the Shinto religion in Japan where the gods are everywhere.
Lots of concepts in IRL religions crop up repeatedly, sometimes as a result of religions influencing each other, sometimes because they just seem to be things that humans are fundamentally willing to believe
I agree. Shintoism is like a lot of the other religions he mentioned where gods are in nature and spirits are present everywhere, including in animals and natural objects. Hinduism has innumerable gods but I don't believe it sees them as present in objects. It does see the souls of all beings in all living things.
She thought that, but she said she was wrong, saying it to Jon snow trying to mean it's him Azor ahai since the lord brought him back, jon does not give a shit about it, but I personally think it's either Jon because he's going to save the world from the darkness (if they win the big war), and he's the king that was promised (since we discovered he's a male taergaryen so he's the rightful heir to the throne, if not then there will be no Azor Ahai or the king who was promised in the show, it will be just in the upcoming two or three books.
She said she was wrong to about Stannis being Azor in the books? I don't remember that but it's been a while. Let's get also one thing straight, I consider HBO's GoT fanfic after it went past books, nothing more.
@@janmedeus3070 Azor Ahai was never mentioned in the HBO show, she said she thought he was the king who was promised and she was wrong, I've never read the books, also I assume you read it would you advise me to read it even if I watched the show?
Books are very different, only really key elements add up. For instance it's impossible for Stannis to die the way show killed him since neither Mel nor Shireen are with him. They are still at castle black.
I dont think the prophecy is as significant as it seems, the engame will be decided by human decisions. Not by some deus-ex-machina prophecy chosen one. I hope.
I want to hear more about the Lion Of Night and Maiden Made Of Light. All of that is so interesting regarding Yi Ti’s emperors, the blood betrayal, the Five Forts, the Long Night etc.
It seems like his starting point for the religion of the Lord of Light is Melisandre, who is based on Beatrice d'Hirson from The Accursed Kings, where's she's a Cathar Gnostic who literally speaks of there being two gods, a Lord of Light and a Lord of Darkness. The fire element is what he added from Zoroastrianism.
pretty much the bible is nothing more than a story book, it's taking stories and beliefs of the time and putting them to together... so real life mixed with alot of fantasy
George missed out on one particular situation he could’ve talked about, if he really wanted to parallel what it was like in the middle ages. He needed a religion from Essos which he called something along the lines of fatherism [If you want to more fat full name, I would call it Abbatism]. This religion is similar to the religion of the seven, but unites the divine into the single father, and doesn’t believe in anything else besides that. You could then have this religion try to go to all of these different parts of the world, and find it hard to fit in with any of them, because they all “know“ That there is either one guard in seven, or many gods not just the one. Obviously I would be taking from the idea of Judaism and how difficult it was for them in the middle ages, but you may have other ideas.
Judas Iscariot Some people claim to know God does exist or god doesn't exist though so that's not true. Yeah everyone should be agnostic but their not. Agnostic is a claim of knowledge you just don't rlundersrand the definition
What I find interesting is that all these religions are "true" in the sense that they perform certain things that seem magical (lord of light, the faceless, the drowned God, the witch in essos, the three-eyed-raven etc.) The only religion that is boring and doesn't have any ability is the faith of the seven.
Good stories require things the readers can relate to in some way. If it is completely alien and foreign in all ways you find very few readers willing to work their way through it. So yes having religions that are familiar, yet different is the best way to approach this. The same is used for cultures. Authors will often borrow from real world cultures/nations and then add some unique flairs to make them appear different. Not only is it a good writing style to bring in readers, it's also a lot easier on the author. Yes you could pull a Tolkien and invent your own languages, but will it have any pay off in the books? Not really. Few readers will appreciate the intricacies and comlexity of what you have done as an author.
It's rather odd that the faith of the Seven is always compared to "Medieval Catholicism", when the concept of Trinity is the foundation of most Christian Churches, barring a few exceptions.
I understand he is a writer. He can write whatever he wants. That's the beauty of writing. And the beauty of Art as a whole. However, his point about "What good God would create a world where leprosy exist?", therefore, a bad God must have created the world. This is a stupid theory. You could than ask the same question about the bad God. What bad God would create a world where Love exists? Just wanted to point that out.
My bet is that "red woman" does believe what she says about these two gods "good and evil", but she is in fact serving the latter, while claiming the opposite.
On a livestream, so by about hour 3, he'll be asking chat questions like "How do I murder my wife so I can marry my daughter who is also my niece? I really need to legitimise at least one of the kids we've already had"
The history of the Cathars and why they were considered heretics by the mainstream religion in the European theocratic agea is interesting. Basically they believed there are 2 gods (good and evil) in this world. That simple fact was considered a heresy by the religion of the 3 gods (Trinity) because 2 were too many.
Azor Ahai = messiah, and there is the same story of a messiah with different names in multiple different religions throughout different regions of the world (ex. Jesús, Zorastor, Buddha, Muhammad, Moses) the messiah that would come at the end of the world. Jesús would come and save us, son of the king of kings, aka The Prince The Was Promised. These parallels are p cool, what great story building.
rawrisiloveuindinify the messiah in islam is actually jesus christ, but then there’s also « al mahdi » who is a « guide » that will come at the end of the world
Sparrow closely resembled Renaissance fanatic Savonarola with his horde of street urchins, whose followers were urged to throw their valuables into the cult's bonefires. Major artists threw their own masterpieces into the flames.
Leprosy - disease or dis ease is a genius idea to strengthen human spirit and make humans care deeply for each others plus god shows his miracles by healing the patient suddenly
I'm not religious but I never got the "why would a good God give me bad things". if there is a heaven, a second life, why would that birthing process be any less ugly or painful than our one here? Think about the toll birth has on a mother. It can be very unpleasant yet leads to the miracle of life. Maybe whatever is beyond this life has some ugly to the way to get us there.
Found it. In the Tyrion chapter where he is going to the vale, captive of Catelyn, she is followed by 3 men provided by Lord Bracken: Lharys, Mohor, and Kurleket. Fucking goofball. You're welcome.
I really hope he finishes the books. I love Brandon Sanderson's writing but he just doesn't have the time to finish everyone else's work or we'll be looking for someone to finish the work of the cosmere in a few decades.
The doctrine of the Trinity is not hard to understand if you pay attention. God is one in being, three in person. It draws a distinction between personhood and being-hood.
To paraphrase the founder of the Church of Satan: I said the same thing in free lectures about secular humanism and no one paid any attention. But I made it a religion and named it Satanism, now I get tax breaks and free publicity.
more like Old gods =, celtic druid drowned god= old norse the seven= greek valyrian freehold = roman gods the fire god= christianity the great stallion= islam mother rhoyne = jewish IMHO
Kids know the truth. There is only one True creator. There is no god but only One creator almighty. İf it is three you don't worship same creator anymore.
The concept of this world being the evil god's world is actually the concept of Christianity too. According to what the bible is saying, this whole current world is a witness to why following god from the beginning would have been a good idea and how the complete opposite (what we get with Satan running the world today) is not such a good idea. It's proving God's case without forcing you to come to that realization without free will. In "the end" this is all supposed to be presented to us as proof that A. Falling away was a bad idea, and B. It's time to do away with Lucifer/Satan before the "new universe/world" is created for the rest of eternity and existence.
@@MrSidney9 Many christians are spreading the word that the Roman Catholic Church also tried to wipe out the Waldensians and Albigenses, non-catholic groups of christians who went against the Catholic Church for reading the Bible.
@@MrSidney9 not even just that. George hits the nail on the head with the Christian world view that God is perfect and everything he created is perfect and then he asks " how is leprosy perfect? "
Creepy Closet Well, I think that if you were to interpret that a bit deeper than just the face value then you might find that saying the world’s perfect might just mean that you shouldn’t blame anyone else but yourself for your misfortunes. The world might not be perfect but you should act as if it were, because no matter how unfair it is you still have to fight on.
He's a bitter ex Catholic who has made his allegory for Catholicism (the Faith of the Seven) the ONLY one that doesn't work. Every other one is valid. The "old gods", the Lord of Light, the various faiths in Essos, etc., all of them work.
None of them are depicted in a positive light tho You sure u read the novels Faith of 7 might be dysfunctional and spawn zealots but old gods and lord of light both have human sacrifices
@@anon-iraq2655 Well you're right that no faith is depicted as pure good, but at least the non-7 faiths actually have supernatural effects that make a difference in the real world. The Faith of the 7 is an empty fraud.
@@IrishCarney oh, well milesandre is a self admitted fraud, thoros of myr became a faithless alcoholic for years and doesn't know how the hell he's bringing people back from dead And old gods turned out to be an old man in a cave with a bunch of pygmy endangered humanoids The impression i got when reading it is none of the gods are real, but blood magic is, and since the faith is so hostile to magic i didnt really expect supernatural from them
