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It's nice how he admits that some fans had great ideas and he wished he thought of those ideas. It just shows how down to earth and humble the guy is, and generally respects his fans.
@@rollingstairs1 How? Hodor was a character that established in the first few chapters of the first book before it was even well known. Where are you even getting this from?
@@Gadget-Walkmen There was this reddit thread from 5(?) years before the revelation, I meant it as a joke, but part of me is strangely convinced that its true
I thought that way since the beginning and with any adaptation really. I don't know why its hard for people to comprehend that, especially those who think season 8 is canon for the books.
@@8mmkyle865 My mom schooled me on that many years ago since a child. she was a big novel reader and especially with horror books like steven king. she always told me the books are way deeper and more in depth than a movie adaptation and i began to see and learn that myself as i got older. Folks out there dont compute that smh. im glad he made it clear on that subject
@@8mmkyle865 You don't get what i'm saying. GRRM saying that they are not the same CLARIFIES it that they are not the same, he could've easily said that they are the same. Do you get it now??
This is the trap that so mamy authors fall into. A fan figuring out your story isnt bad quite the opposite it shows with enough sleuthing and critical thinking people can come to see your ideas and that they make sense, sense enough for others to be able to think of it. Yet when authors see this they grow wild and throw out years of buildup for cheap shock and subversion a "you didnt get me afterall" and it always spits on the face of thise faithful and clever fans. Those fans should be rewarded for their intelligence with the big reveal not given the old switcheroo
@@DrMudarris Bruh the Highschool Caste AU leaks with Armin, Mikasa and Eren at the movies talking about fan theories freaked me the hell out- This whole story was one giant trolling
I'm sorry, what are all these comments referring to? The fact that Arya killed the Night King instead of Jon? If I'm not mistaken it was George himself who told D&D that it should be Arya that saves the day, because Jon doing so would be too cliché. There sure are things we can criticize about this episode but I don't think that is one of them.
@@agustinl2302 do you really want to open that can of worms, no arya killing NK is just the symptom of a much larger problem. The fact that NK the very embodiment of death is dealt with in a single episode while the remaining 5 episodes will be dedicated to cersie is just pure foolish. And what is this abhorrance of the expected so did arya killing NK make you happy or shock you, did it really do anything for aryas character growth, jon basically got robbed of his entire reason for the second life. This isn't sub version it's just shit story telling.
I just love how reasonable he is. And the fact that he lets the series and his books be different, not in this way of "no the show isn't my books, meeehh" but in a way of "yeah they're similar, but they both have merit, and they're both good."
@@Gekkou31 I disagree. He's stated in an interview before that while he is a bit disappointed that the iron throne isn't exactly as he envisioned he actually makes fun of himself and says that he's completely unreasonable to feel like that because the iron throne they've made on the set of Game of Thrones is incredibly well made. He understands that making a tv show or making a movie has to make compromises. Watch the interview on when he worked on a twilight zone episode. He got really upset because the story he was adapting was made by a friend, and he loved it to bits. He apologised to his friend after the whole thing and the friend said he loved it.
Professor: Martin’s comments about not commenting openly about fan theories online because it ruins fan discussion should be noted... JK Rowling are you texting in class again?
@@Grimmbros1214 no...she will never create the charecter for her book...but suddenly she CAN tweet about this trans-charecter that was always there and she had known this since the 90s.
@@subhamdas943 If you're not up to date on the latest JK Rowling news, JK Rowling has been vocally against trans people and is probably one of the most prominent figures of the TERF (Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist) movement in the UK.
Well, before the writters were just pissing on their foot, so they didn't say mind to it. But now they just opened everyone's mouths and shitted down their throats, so now it's a problem to everyone. Except to the people without taste buds, and are fine with the the shit dumbass and dipshit is feeding them. I have even seen people praising the episodes of 3 and 4, and they defend the decisions they made. Those people are the epitome of stupid, and I'd want nothing to do with them. One review that comes to mind is 'Nerd Soup'. They have to be some of the dumbest people I have watched on RU-vid.
@@lakenash7947 I disliked the show since they ran out of book material but I have to say that S08E03 was one of the better episodes. That's probably due to the fact that it had very little dialog and more action and they are pretty bad with dialog without a template. The beginning and the end of the episode were a bit shaky but the fight was varied and suspenseful. To pull off an one hour fight without making it boring is really hard to do so I can at least respect their skill in that regards. Credit where credit is due. All things considered I don't think the show is totally horrible. It's a really good series and the tv adaptation was 9-10/10 and now it's more like 6-7/10. I wouldn't exactly call people stupid because they enjoy an 7/10 tv show, most of them probably never read the books and don't care that much or just aren't very critical. Most adaptations fail to live up to the original and that is simply due to the fact that the creative process gets undermined. It's like GRRM said he doesn't have the same restrictions as the show makers do. The best adaptations are made when the people working on the project care a lot about the creative aspect. Look into how lord of the rings were made. Or a bit less epic: the third harry potter movie was really good because the director had a clear image and interpretation of the book in mind and then he experimented with the theme of isolation and added many things to convey that on film, like Harry getting physically pulled away all the time and navigating alone with a map spying on people. Kubrick did this the best and was even kinda hated by the Arthur C Clarke for making Space Odyssey as he felt Kubrick robbed him of this work and honestly this is why it is so good. Kubrick saw something in that story and made it is own but you don't find that kind of people just anywhere. For a good adaptation you need someone that is on the creative level of the writer or above him. Dumbass and dipshit are not that bad they just average. That's hard to accept but it really is difficult to create something. There is a reason it takes years for GGRM to write his story and it's not him being lazy.
@@screwhalunderhill885 I know it's difficult to create something new and that will stay true to the source material. Especially when the source material is considered some of the best books to read. That being said, no one forced them to throw out 2 extra season worth of source material they could have used for the show until George was finished with book 6. There are so many extra arcs and stories from the books they could have adapted to the show. George himself even stated they could have easily made the show 12 seasons with the source material he had in the books. Instead, they decided they'd rather build upon one villain and story for the entire series, then in the last season they would end it without expanding or adding anything of interest to the story. They literally just killed him.
Well the most inteligent character is always less inteligent than the writer that created this character, and this man created Tyrion, Varys and littlefinger
@Wiktor Stelmach LOL. Or you know, designing the problems the characters face around the solutions? Shouldn't be so difficult to not interpret him as a 200IQ living god.
@@EliteLucho I think he means that D&D obviously looked among fans theories on the internet to find ideas and finish the series without the book material. Thus giving us what now looks like a fan fiction.
Probably pretty much what’s in the show, except that first he would need to wrap up storylines that don’t happen in the show (The Young Griff, Jeyne being alive with Robb’s kid, Quentyn Martell and the whole Dornish plot, etc) Bran becomes King of the Seven Kingdoms, Jon is Rhaegar’s and Lyanna’s child but doesn’t become king, Daenerys is the mad queen, Arya kills the Freys and goes on a killing spree in Westeros and then sails west of Westeros, The Hound survives and kills the Mountain later on, Jaime is too addicted to Cersei and comes back to her to die by her side, etc, etc
@@laurahill1970 The analogy where he mentions the foreshadowing of the butler doing it. Instead they subverted expectations and undermined everything before.
@@laurahill1970 At the last second they made Arya be the one to kill the Night King because "no one had thought of it", even though it makes no sense from a storytelling perspective because none of Arya's adventures had anything to do with the white walkers at all
The willfully dense comments about those two guys is astounding to me. Martin literally just gave you his opinion, and a clear explanation as to why the show differs from the books 😂
@@1otonhammer38 He gave answer why it differs mostly due to budget constraints not storytelling. Kindly praise your favourites somewhere else, I have full right to my opinion. #densefanboy
@@kk-yuu You people are sad. So, you dont think budget/ time constraints effect story telling? It must be wonderful never being able to enjoy things because you're so sad, lonely, and pathetic that you need a show/book to validate your toxic personality. They're just books, champ.
Yes, the English invented the language & are too lazy to ununciate any of it properly. Ah for the laughs. Could have got someone else from North Eng, or somewherelse Englnd for less chalkboard.
That is exactly what Isayama did on his work Attack on Titan. He changed his ending because people figured out how the story should have concluded. Instead we got that atrocity of an ending that makes no sense, retcons multiple characters, wasted started plotlines and is full of plotholes.
Exactly and I had a debate with a ending defender saying that Eren didn't get retcon, and I said that he did. Pixis: if something beyond man appeared before us as a powerful foe, mankind will take up arms together in unity. What do you think of that? Eren: well it's seems rather optimistic. Doesn't interest me though. And this is a clear retcon and it literally points at a direction saying " hey this isn't going to be a that kind of story"
@@flores5420 No in an interview the opposite is said Isams like to sees not especially the fan theories but just generally the fan opinion on his manga , also Isams have talked about GOT the tv show in an itw he said he know that people were dissapoitned by the ending but for the ending of yes there is this quote approximatevely he said "the more i approach to the ending the less i paid attention to internet opinion" so yeah he did his own ending but i'm not agree on he lead is story where he wanted to Isams admitted it the theme in the last snk arc is a big theme that he couldn't developped properly and yeah that's why we got these 8 page bonus as you might know.. It's personnal but I think yeah Isams was so much pressured by the fact of doing an interesting ending that in the end he mixed up all idea in his head and this ending is not what should have been the real ending like we learn about Ymir's love like just at the end I think it's not the fan theories that affected Isams bc yeah he didnt read them at the end but its the success of his manga and the duty of quality that fan except (sorry for bad english and weird dvp not my native tongue) u can also think yeah he give the ending he wanted and people saying the opposite are juste salty jerks who can't accept this ending,its ok
Anyone here after the TV show final ? This explain so well why we had 7 season series and then one unrelated season; especially second half. They trashed everything, every character development arc, just to "try" to surprise us.
I feel like an author who wants to change their story’s ending just because of the fan community having guessed how the ending would go, is more focused on providing shock value than actually writing a good story.
@@Garrus1995 This video sums up pretty much all the talking points and criticisms, it's long so just watch it in bits and pieces and you should get the idea, note that the video came out before the extra 8 pages ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-SlOd8RXeOo4.html
@@Garrus1995 This is a better more comprehensive vid; it's shorter, articulated, objective, and not as emotionally impulsive: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-l9F2s9432FM.html I even left a recent comment (a week ago) in that vid explaining what I didn't like. Characterization was simply thrown out the window and the revelation in the final chapter felt shoehorned, very inconsistent with the themes of the story. **Edit** : In case my comment in that vid is lost (it contains spoilers) I'll provide it here: The ending felt like a stretch-of-a-desperate-defense in a War Crimes/Crimes Against Humanity trial. Could you have imagined if Hitler said "I caused an attempt at global takeover and mass genocide because I believed that I could unite the world's nations (founding of the UN) and reinvigorate sympathy for the Jews since I too have Jewish ancestry. No, Hitler was so absolute and held conviction with his extreme goals of slaughter that he carried it through for years that in the end he offed himself and refused to be taken in. Europe wouldn't just take having their family and friends getting slaughtered by a tyrannical force so kindly. I never was Pro-Rumbling (and I'm aware not everything is all black and white) , however I had more empathy for Zeke, King Fritz (the one that founded Paradis and the Walls, changing his name to Reiss), Marley, and of course the Alliance; I was all for putting an end to Ymir's curse, but whatever ending Isayama should've have gone with, it should have kept Eren's character in check; yes, in the ending Isayama gave us, the Alliance stopped the Rumbling, but it should have kept Eren's conviction intact. Perhaps Isayama had to play it safe because this series was a Shonen (aimed for the teenage demographic), thus trying to put Eren in some kind of middle ground in character portrayal with his intentions, but really this whole series should have been a Seinen like Berserk (very Mature subject matter meant only for the Mature.) Attack on Titan had a poor ending. That's the truth of the matter.
@@GH0STZERO exactly. The rest of the world will still keep on hating the Eldians for obvious reasons. Yes, Armin and the Alliance did take down Eren and "save the world" but at the same time a huge portion of Paradis islanders(Yaegarists) did fight for Eren and actively tried erasing the entire population of the world which kind of ended up justifying the hatred and bigotry of the rest of the world towards the Paradis islanders. So it's only natural that when the other countries regain their strength, they'll launch an all out attack on Paradis, which they did. The Lelouch route doesn't really work here. So what was Eren's end goal? If he did want to save the Paradis islanders then he should have followed through with his global massacre plan, as messed up as it was. It was the only logical route that he might have taken. He even asks Hange for a better solution, which she fails to provide. By trying to take the Lelouch route, not only did he fail to protect the people of Paradis, he also reinforced the blind hatred of the whole world towards the Eldians. If his plan was to "eradicate all the titan" as in euthanasia, then he should have followed Zeke's plan. That was the most peaceful route that they could have taken, in my opinion. But apparently Eren "didn't want to sacrifice his own people". He did end up achieving temporary peace though, which allowed his friends to live out the rest of their lives in relative peace. So probably that was his end goal all along. But then what was all that ruthless character development leading up to the final chapters all about? Eren's moral dilemma about having to chose between his own race and the rest of the world, which drove him to take drastic yet understandable decisions, what was ALL THAT about? Honestly the ending felt hollow to me. Something as grand as this story deserved a better ending, in my opinion.
"you screw up the whole book because you get these foreshadowing early on and these little clues you've planted and now theyre dead ends, and your retconning, it's a mess..." (sigh) oh Isyama...
Nuno Prazeres he literally said the show is the show the books are the books, he also criticizes D&D changing plotlines in 3:20, try watching the whole video kid
It's Alright D&D literally CHOSE Arya as the one to kill NK 3 years ago purely for shock value (you can watch on their behind the scenes) GRRM left GoT after S4, he even criticizes writers who change plotlines for no reason 3:20 theres no way he wouldve approved Arya as the NK killer when the showed literally portrayed Jon/Dany as Azor Ahai with all the prophecies/visions etcZ perhaps you should pay attention to the video
@@farhanaazmi4512 there no way? he already said arya will be at some point the most important character and it confirms. it was never about jon. get over it
@@enotsnavdier6867 Many plots point and revelations went unresolved and many characters acted oddly and stupid during and a bit prior to the finale to rush out an ending.
@@aaronschmidt8631 A quote that had different meaning in season 3. It was never ment to be a hint in season 3 that Arya will get to kill the Night King. D&D just used that quote from 5 seasons back to give atleast some background to Arya killing NK, while ignoring all the other plots around him. D&D randomly chose her 2 years ago cause Quote:"it felt unexpected", not because it was planned. Nothing but a fan service.
That scene never happens in the books. Melisandre never meets Arya, Thoros or Beric. She never learns of Beric being brought back to life or anything. That entire scene and that entire quote were both creations of the show.
The way he kept using the “butler and chambermaid” analogy is making me think he knew D&D we’re gonna change the person who kills the night king from Jon to Arya and he knew it was gonna be a huge mistake
Clover Gas yeah because D&B decided it would be Arya to kill him two years ago as and I quote "it felt unexpected...it's a fan service" aka they picked someone at random with no foreshadowing for this and all because they knew the fans liked Arya as a character so it must mean she's the best person to kill the Night King
The Night King doesn’t exist in the books and I think George doesn’t really care who kills him because it not part of his story. Honestly I didn’t really care about the wight walkers or Night King story, it was another generic evil dude that wants to kill everyone and the hero’s need to stop him. George stays away from that story, The Others (or Wight walkers) are probably not evil as the show made them and just wants the North to actually fucking remember to stop going beyond the wall and the wildings to stop invading there lands. I mean there is reason why that wall was built in the first place and why maybe the Children of the Forest made contact to them, and help them built the wall with Magic. Bran the Builder definitely did not build the wall, it was The Children. The Night’s Watch was created to remind the North that no Human should go beyond the wall and invade the lands of The Others, a pack was created between them and may have been lost in history, and that were the words of “The North Remembers” came from. But then The North forgot and just say it as there slogan without knowing the true meaning, As Bloodraven said "Men Forget. Only the trees remember."
@@alexandraolvera5903 and how is this related to the comment? The comnent has nothing to do with the books George's statement has nothing to do with ASOIF or white walkers lore Its about how writers re-write story arcs or character's purposes to subvert expectations to make it look its cool while making all of the forshadowings and build ups pointless at the end GRRM (as an experienced writer) already knew that D&D is gonna change the person that will kill the NK after hearing/reading fan predictions and expectations, he knew D&D is screwed in Season 8
he didn't know that AT ALL, it's just that situation perfectly fits into what he wasting. Don't get into crazy conspiracy of saying George somehow "knew" that arya was going to be the one to kill the nightking because you're just making stuff up at that point right there entirely so!
@@haziq12ish that because the books is not finished Winds of winters didnt even have an ending Jon snow will be still a targaryen nontheless His heritage is still unknown in the books
@@carljohnson8285 No, that would have been much better, the main reasons why people dont like the ending of this episode are because of the bad execution and because Arya had zero connection to the White Walkers, she didnt even knew that the Night King existed a few episodes ago while Jon on the other hand had his entire character arc centered around the White Walkers and the Night King. A compromise would have been Jon loosing the battle and than Arya can come for the kill, but this time not teleporting, instead she uses Berics face (disguised as a wight). That would add up with her plotline atleast and Jon also had his arcs climax. Martin literally explains it here. You cant change something and call it a suprise if it doesnt fit into the characters arc or the story in general. Thats just bad.
@@mattteomatei3610 That might be true but Martin will write it a million times better. Besides that, D&D had to come up with a lot of stuff because they had no books to go with anymore. Martin only told them vaguely what ending he had in mind and they had to build around that but failed miserably. This show would have needed a couple more seasons or atleast episodes. Closing out all these huge plotlines in those few episodes what was season 8 can hardly have a good outcome. Even with good writing it would be very hard to do.
@@EldenLord. Why do you say Martin only told them vaguely what will happen next????? Where do you guys come up with this stuff and then post online like it's true??? D&D and Martin have been together on may tours and award ceremonies in the last years, they didn't just have conversations like "In the end, Bran sits on the iron Throne, Daenerys burns King'S Landing, Jon is exiled". They actually talked scenes through to the last detail.
This reminds me of how the writers of Westworld "had" to rewrite several episodes of the second season because the fans had already guessed several twists of that season.
i respect george and his incredible work so much that i’m sad d&d don’t. what they did to season 8 at least until now (episode 4) isn’t at the level of what the asoiaf universe is. it was a marvelous and complex puzzle, he gave us hints whenever he wanted the way he wanted and it was never our work but our passion to make theories and analyzing prophecies, characters, places, etc. i’ll really look forward to the books because i know he has entire control over them and he will not let his universe have the same mistakes he even mentions in the interview (such as incoherence, biased thoughts and dead ends)
@@babbadook stfu they hyped the fucker since the first scene and he died to some op hoe who has no ties to him that destroyed 8 years of build up fuck off
gokce yesildag the night king was actually a big fucking loser, dude deserved a stupid death. He was just a mid level lich type monster that had thousands of years to get ready and still fucked up
Part of the fun that fans have with a continuing series is trying to figure out where it’s going. So what if they figured it out early? It’s not actually confirmed until it is. So there’s still that chance they could be wrong. No need to change things because one or two people figured it out, they’re still waiting for a confirmation. Besides, if you set things up only to do a complete 180, that’ll just piss more people off because now you’ve set up something that barely (if at all) makes sense. Better to confirm the theory right if it’s right, than to change the whole thing just to say “Ha! I got you!”. Let the fans speculate. Maybe they’re right, maybe they’re wrong. That discussion, sharing those fan theories, that’s part of the fun.
I had the feeling the creators of Lost did this. I mean the whole "diverging from the intended path just for the sake of being predictable" thing. And that's why we got this polarizing ending that doesn't sit well with many people. I don't think they had a perfect master plan either, don't get me wrong (it was great television, but not exactly shakespearean), but I am certain they originally wanted a cohesive, witty ending to their mystery drama. But instead, they took so many twists and turns for the sake of shock/surprise value and popularity reasons alone , that the only solution left was to come up with an ending that was so detached from what the show was about that it felt lackluster. I AM aware of what the ending means. I understood it. But I am quite certain that it was not their first choice. Just saying. I guess this is an universal problem in serial, open-ended media and art. The "product" grows and is getting developed while at the same time is being consumed and judged. I think it's very hard for a creator to stay true to his original idea with all these invasive influences. I'd be surprised if the show and popular traits of certain characters in it won't fuse with the book characters to an extent. I'm just not sure if GRRM can withstand the urge to satisfy people. And let's be honest, (most) fans who watched the show first and became readers later want for example shocking deaths, lewd sex scenes , drunken banter and witty comebacks. All draped in a fancy medieval fantasy setting. Of course it's part of the books, too, but sadly it's THE biggest appeal and reason why this show has become popular outside of the typical nerd-dom. It's the meme potential built upon a very solid foundation that sells the show first and foremost now, to put it bluntly. So I hope GRRM won't let Arya become the Mary Sue she is in the show, loved for her "badass-ness". And he shouldn't feel the need to somehow "1 up" the red wedding and come up with something even bigger, whatever that means. I think things like that are far more likely than story revisions. That's what I "fear" most.
SPOILER ALERT episode 3 game of thrones destroyed all the lore about the prince that was promised or Azor Ahai by Arya killing the night king. Nonsense.
If you think about it, in the show Jon is azor ahia because Daenerys would have been the darkness over the world not the army of the dead and he killed her
Red&Blue Productions I think he means that the big reveal George is talking about in this video, the one that he hints but isn’t supposed to reveal until book 6, is R + L = J.
at this point RLJ is confirmed, since that was the only reason GRRM gave D&D charge of the show, because he asked who they thought Jons parents were and they figured it out
I was so dissapointed with Littlefinger's death he was a well made character with awesome quotes . I wanted to see hes plan on how he would get the iron throne for hes own and what the other characters would do to stop him like cersei or daenerys
This is why i don't like Arya as a character anymore. She took Jon Arc for nothing just to kill the Night King out of nowhere and Run like a Ninja carton in red keep like a donkey ... Arya is fan service character not a story anymore ...
If people are putting together the clues and seeing where those clues lead, but there's still a lot of discussion about what the eventual picture will look like, I think that's a good indication that the clues are being well laid.
that's not true, especially when you have the internet with thousands of people posting stuff and batting ideas back and forth. like the saying "give enough monkeys a type writer and eventually one of them will write shakespeare"
In light of s8e3 and the clusterfark that they created by choosing something no one was thinking about, his comments on changing everything in order to merely subvert fan theories but at the cost of all context and continuity are profound. If only the show people had the same literary integrity as GRRM, eh? Especially right here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CKnXmNHubfs.html
i dont watch game of thrones tbh im not really interested in it, however writers can all learn from him, and i just love to hear him talking about these things!
The way he talks about fans discovering things in book 1 and 2 is definitly a confirmation abou Rhaegar and Lyanna. I just hope it's done better. Because, you know, "I need to tell Jon his true name is Sand"... Jesus.
In fairness it was never exactly hidden or misdirected. (We were inside Eddard's head and it just never seemed like he would cheat or wouldn't think of his bastard's mother)
If people figure out the secret early then when it’s revealed they won’t be surprised BUT they will be super pumped cuz they’ll be like “oh sweet I was right!” And then everyone else who didn’t put it together will be surprised, so he’s right it’s better just to keep it how u planned it
Well fuck, someone should have told that 3:15 to D&D when they decided to take a massive steaming Dump on Jon's arc (the Butler) and prophecy and give to Arya (The chamber maid)
when he mentioned twice that it is always a mistake to make the chambermaid do it instead of the butler just because people correctly guessed it would be the butler who doe s it. if only we knew butler = Jon Snow and chambermaid = Arya Stark i wish the show listened to this great advice that it is always a mistake to switch storylines between characters
Star Trek Writer David Gerrold (He wrote The Trouble with Tribbles) said he met a young fan who tried to talk to him about a sequel to that episode. A few years later David wrote the episode More Tribbles, More Troubles for the animated series. That young fan wrote to David saying that David stole the young person's idea for the sequel and the young fan wanted writing credit for the episode.
Incredible how his words seem so on point to what happened after Season 8 Episode 3, is like he's telling them not to fuck up while they were fking it up.
Ok watching this now, after having watched all of the final season - it is possible that the TV show ending differs to how he intends to end the books. He said that almost every adaptation book-to-film/tv changes the ending - THERE IS HOPE THAT THE ENDING IN THE BOOKS IS MORE SATISFYING! I mean it was pretty much a given that the books would be alot more fleshed out then the TV show, but now maybe even major plot points will differ (such as the showdown between Daenerys and Cersei!!). Please release these books soon GRRM, for all of our sakes - I just cant cope with how the TV show has butchered your beautiful story. Once they ran out of your source material, it has noticeably declined.
This genious has revealed what not to do. And I think the show creators, Dan and Dave just did the exact opposite. They came up with a new idea about 3 years ago, and they implemented it into S8E3, and they just ruined what GRRM has built up in all these years. I'm disappointed...
If I’m a creator of a story I’m definitely not reading fan theories/suggestions cause it’s MY story & I already know what is & what isn’t and also how everything is gonna be or turn out lol
I need a raven to pass this along. Is this really the battle of Summer Hall? Has he published any new songs? This should be Summer Hall. Which would make a lot of sense if the winds of winter was done. The wind stood still and the silenced roar. Rhaegar stood in balance and grew once more. Dancing dragons drumming snores Hammer Druming battle songs. Baratheon warg and the earth shook. Battle arms ready my lords. Everyone in the halls stared in awe. Both Rhaegar and Baratheon squaring off. Rhaegar swing his sword and sang a song.-Danilo Antonio
3:35 crazy... he literally describes what Dan and Dave did with the NK. Like word for word describes the mistake they made by setting up Jon to be the one for so long and at the last second changing it to Arya. “If you’ve planned the whole time the butler did it And you read on the internet that someone found out that the butler did it suddenly change it midstream and it was the chamber maid that did it then you screw up the whole book because you got this foreshadowing early on and these little clues you planted are now dead ends and you have to introduce other clues that you’re redconning and it becomes a mess.” WHAT. THIS IS CRAZY. Send this to Dave and Dan god damn it.
Thats so fucking wrong there was foreshadowing of her doing it for so long when you look at it, the red women talking about the eyes the dagger tricks with brienne and syrio
@@kamyshafik9071 how can they foreshadow that long ago when they didnt decide she would kill him until 3 years ago? around the gap between season 6 and 7.
@@kamyshafik9071 there was zero foreshadowing about it. there was some extremely vague quote about arya shutting brown eyes, blue eyes, and green eyes (95% of the population lol), which they had to change and have melisandre misquote herself just so it made sense.
@@Evan-gi1hs this is the part " and then you have to introduce other clues, and you're retconing and its a mess". Fits so much with the explanations we were given about why Arya did it
I occasionally appreciate an interview that's broken up into shorts based on various themes (like this one), but more and more these reek of monetization and desperation to "grow the channel" etc. This literal "free-for-all" on youtube and the internet is really degrading content and over-saturating the online space to the point of exhaustion. I have to sort through so much garbage just to find what I'm looking for.
Dany the mad queen was the most fanfictional idea that Dumb&Dumbster had, they literally ruined her character! Why did she liberate all those slaves? Why did she work all her way to Westeros to just destroy all? I think George is hating what the writers did to his characters on the TV series
2:27 Rian Johnson - Disney: Take a note! This is how to work as a writer & artist on something popular - you stay true to your original influences and keep to the plan! A story is about the writer and his characters and not just about expectations and how to surprise the audience.
5:32 "There are places were the two are gonnna diverge" and he is fine with it. The show had a Base story, and they diverged from the author at some point. Star Wars is the same, the original author has let her baby go, and now it's going somewhere else. You guys are doing fan fiction in your head, and it hurts you that the movies are not telling your stories. i prefer Luke to become a grumpy ermitte than this stereotype angelic chracter of the good people he was. Geogre Martin also said he doesnt want to read fan fiction for that, it's his story he goes wheerever he wants to go, and so do Disney/Ryan Johnson
A genius storyteller but he fucked up giving HBO the power to ruin his story within the show. I love the books but the show will probably be the bigger legacy and they Totally fucked it up. Especially the last two seasons. It's just shockingly simplistic and tropish. It's disgusting to me that the show would completely 180 on the narrative of the story.
Chris Redfield I really dont understand why they dont show us his story then.. I mean he wrote it from the beginning and it will be so akward when in his books the battle of winterfell or something else is very different to the series.
I often wondered whether GRRMartin would watch the show. I wouldn't if I were him, because it is like a fan theory as well, it's an interpretation, and can screw with your original plan. I hope he didn't. The last season wasn't exactly glorious. I have even looked for his opinion on it, but didn't find anything.
Amour That's because it's his property. There was an interview with him during s7 production and he said he had no input in the shown anymore. There's a lot of reports, suggesting a clash with D & D but we will never know.
D&D literally done everything he just said mussta watched all the theories about azor ahai and gone and changed it in the most shittest way possible to boost their own idea ego. Schmucks ruined a full series within 1 episode.
