No, they don't have any memory gaps. They still perfectly remember so-called Goering's Decree, which stripped Poles living in Germany from all ethnic minority rights (including right to organize), and any funds they accumulated. Money they took in 1940 from banned organizations were never returned, and Poles living in Germany are denied ethnic minority status to this day.
Well, I do agree Germans are just chauvinists ... this is the key to understand their state of mind, they recognize the suffeting of others only when they are forced to do it...
@JW-gm6wr I realize that we can't get into deeper discussion of anything/everything do to being sensored via Podcast folks. But for those that recall history, it's as if happened yesterday. The younger generation doesn't understand, nor grasp the concept of what happened to Poland during WWII, or Volhynia and Easter Galicia. It's not something that older Polish people forgot, nor forgave. There's more, but some like to twist the truth around. It's obvious that not many were spared, Germans even showed up in Africa. That goes along with more events, Ottoman Empire Arabs/Muslims and Africans enslaving Europeans and taking them to the Ivory Coast. You, being Jewish, also heard many different stories regarding Jewish people. There's alot of twisted information. We all lost loved ones, and I believe that's the reason Europeans don't want to bring children into this world. We still have some aggressive neighbors that are beyond hope. Bless you!
I was in the US on 9/11. A very surreal day. By comparison, Poland was losing to war, on average, 3 thousand people every day between September 1, 1939, and May, 8, 1945. Imagine opening a newspaper every day for 6 years and reading about yet another 9/11. And if you adjust for the population size, imagine reading about eight 9/11s every day for six years. An ultimate groundhog day.
Thank you for this post . Much needed & appreciated . As a Polish -Canadian person I had to spend lots of time explaining the history of Poland to my Canadian-Jewish friends….there was a massive Polish trauma ….but it is not being understood or recognized.
The thing is that Germany say we gave you the money and you did what you wanted , when in fact it went to communist government who didn't nothing good with the money, and they say if you have an issue with that have it with them. And of course Poles get no reperations from Russia for anything. But from Jewish perspective until today people come and claim they want money back from Poland, for the homes and lives they lost.
@@bobeczek01 Yes, that's underlining the problem even more. Poland got no reparations from Germany and is told to not ask for it because it's too late, but at the same time Poland still has to pay reparations to Jews for property destroyed by Germans. So Poles are still paying German debts 80 years after the war, and no one says it's too late for that.
This is not just a German memory gap. It's a global memory loss of non-Jewish Polish trauma. As horrible as it sounds, the Jewish Holocaust had its symbol and memorial - Auschwitz. Each time when people talk about the events of WW2 in the context of Jews, one cannot not mention Auschwitz. Even though majority of those who were killed there were Polish, they ended up in Auschwitz because of their Jewish religious identity. As a result, Auschwitz has become the symbol of Jewish suffering, not Polish. But for the rest of the Poles there wasn't any single symbol of suffering. There wasn't that one thing one could point at and say "this is what they did to us." Instead many of us have nothing else but individual stories, millions of them, of people who experienced brutality, injustice, displacement, slavery (forced labour in Germany), rape, torture, loss of property, or death. As a Polish person living abroad I continuously face the same level of ignorance among foreigners about what Germans and Russians did in Poland. Practically nobody knows anything about these atrocities that were committed on our nation. Global, especially Western, idea of what the WW2 looked like is predominantly shaped by kitsch Hollywood blockbuster movies and computer games which not only tend to tell fictitious stories but also feature individuals and events that are more often than not just cliches of "a brave american marine fighting in France" and some semi-retarded local population passively waiting to be liberated. Every Polish government has failed so far in bringing a change about it. All of us Polish expats are waiting for state-funded cultural initiatives aimed at foreigners for their education. This could be high-quality movies that tell stories of real people and real events. We're waiting for the Pianist that tells the story of the other 3 millions. We're waiting for places that are attractive to visit and do not overload uneducated visitors with information placed in the context that they can hardly relate to or even place it in a timeline or identify geographically (yes, plenty of people in Western Europe struggle to find Poland on the map of Europe). A good example is the Warsaw Rising Museum. I met foreigners who visited this place and came out not knowing what this story was really about. Plenty of them thought it was about the uprising in the Warsaw Ghetto. They left with an impression that the museum was a place commemorating a big massacre. That's all. Information overload. Although this topic could be discussed for many ours, one more thing needs to be spelled out. Having spent over a decade in the West, I have an impression that the Westerners are completely unable to relate to the stories of Polish trauma from WW2. There's nothing about their cultural and historical background they could relate to as a "bridge" towards understanding the Polish story. Interestingly, I find people of colonial, post-colonial background a lot more capable to empathize with us.
Nearly 1 million Jews (mostly Polish Jews) were murdered in Auschwitz but also 100,000 non-Jewish Poles. In fact, from 1940 to 1941, most of the inmates in Auschwitz were Polish Christians. What is amazing these days is the new narrative I have seen depicting Poland as an Axis ally of Germany, and that most Poles collaborated with the Germans in the extermination of Jews. It's sick and makes me damned angry.
Dokładnie. Kiedy rozmawiam ze znajomymi ze świata, w tym z Kanady i dowiadują się że podczas 2 wojny światowej zginęło 6 milionów polskich obywateli, 3 miliony żydów i 3 miliony słowian. Są w szoku bo byli uczeni że gineli tylko żydzi. I tak to jest przedstawiane na świecie. Co jest bardzo niesprawiedliwe dla polaków-słowian.
I think, this is the core of the Polish-German relationship issue. As a Pole, I wish the suffering was recognised a bit more. Don't get me wrong, Jewish people deserve all monuments and all of this education about the topic in Germany. But I wish Poland would get some attention too. I don't even care that much about the money. I just wish there was more awareness about the topic in not only Germany, but the West as a whole.
It's a difficult topic to talk about. My grandparents went through the war. I heard stories of them being exploited by Germans when they had to give away their food and i heard all the atrocities they committed , my " beef "with Germany is not that they didn't pay . My biggest regret with Germany is that handful of people pay with their life for all that atrocity that they committed during war . Most of people got away with murder either went to West to America or to Argentina and save themselves. They never answer for what they did during the world war II. This is the biggest problem for me , not te reparations but the idea of them living like they are righteous people all of the sudden . And of course all the wealth ,paintings anything of value not everything came back to Poland still missing after 80 years sitting somewhere in Bavarian basements like it never really happened.
No. Its very easy to talk about. There is no balance between atrocities committed by Germans and others. Germans try to make up some stories about Poles and they often repeat propaganda of Geobbels. What is the reason then when Germany colonised Poland from 1772 - 1918?
AS someone descended from the colonists in kongress polen/kongresowka i think in polsh i can tell you that most of those germans were not antipolish BUT i can also tell you that the german government was very much antipolish, anti jewish, anti russian and very much criminal AND STILL IS TODAY@@niemamnicku1359
Thanks for this. It's a subject that usually devolves into some sort of "martyrdome olympics" as if the fact someone suffered more means another did not suffer at all.
At Yad Vashem, the Righteous Among the Nations, Poland is in first place. Witold Pilecki escaped from KL Auschwitz to tell people about the Holocaust, the whole Ulma family of 9 was murdered for hiding Jews, over 15000 Polish children were kidnapped for Germanization, the first people to be sent to KL Auschwitz were ethnic Poles, medical experiments were done on ethnic Poles there, unlike France, Austria, Italy, the Netherlands, Ukraine, Sweden, Slovakia, Hungary, the Baltic States, there was no official collaberation of Poles with Nazi Germany, not one Polish SS man, (how many Jews collaborated with Nazi Germany?), for centuries Poland was a safe haven for Jews and if not for Poland it is likely that there would be a lot less Jews today. So you are sure you do not want to take sides?
@@lerubenfeld At Yad Vashem, the Righteous Among the Nations, Poland is in first place. Witold Pilecki escaped from KL Auschwitz to tell people about the Holocaust, the whole Ulma family of 9 was murdered for hiding Jews, over 15000 Polish children were kidnapped for Germanization, the first people to be sent to KL Auschwitz were ethnic Poles, medical experiments were done on ethnic Poles there, unlike France, Austria, Italy, the Netherlands, Ukraine, Sweden, Slovakia, Hungary, the Baltic States there was no official collaberation of Poles with Nazi Germany, not one Polish SS man, (how many Jews collaborated with Nazi Germany?), for centuries Poland was a safe haven for Jews and if not for Poland it is likely that there would be a lot less Jews today. So you are sure you do not want to take sides?
At Yad Vashem, the Righteous Among the Nations, Poland is in first place. Witold Pilecki escaped from KL Auschwitz to tell people about the Holocaust, the whole Ulma family of 9 was murdered for hiding Jews, over 15000 Polish children were kidnapped for Germanization, the first people to be sent to KL Auschwitz were ethnic Poles, medical experiments were done on ethnic Poles there, unlike France, Austria, Italy, the Netherlands, Ukraine, Sweden, Slovakia, Hungary, the Baltic States there was no official collaberation of Poles with Nazi Germany, not one Polish SS man, (how many Jews collaborated with Nazi Germany?), for centuries Poland was a safe haven for Jews and if not for Poland it is likely that there would be a lot less Jews today. So you are sure you do not want to take sides?
As a matter of fact it the wide recognition and memory of those atrocities that I would prefer instead of finantial reparations. There is no memorial in Germany of non-Jewish victims from Poland. And not even a single German Nazi was prosecuted and found guilty of crimes comitted against Poles in Germany. Unless they were caught by Allies and transferred to Poland they were always found not guilty. It is not uncommon to hear from German something similar to recent Putin interview, that Poles had it coming.
I don't think Polish people really count on receiving any reparations. But I'd like Germans to know just how much it is and how it was calculated. In German mind the war is a thing of the past, because they benefited from the Marshall Plan and the EU early on. Poland, on the contrary, lost everything and got nothing. In effect, any improvement you see in Poland is the effect of the hard work of every single generation that was born after it. Even though I was born decades after the war, my career opportunites and my living situation was still influenced by it. That's the cost of paying up someone else's debts. Because it's not like no one has to pay if Germans don't. What I want, instead of the money, is that German students have obligatory 12 lessons on Poland's history in schools. They can skim the first 500 years during just one lesson, but I want them to learn about the Battle of Grunwald, the Jagiellon era, the Royal Prussia and why and how it was created, the Polish-Lithuanian Republic, finally, the Partitions and how they came about. It will not only make them get to know us, but it will also help them understand the entire region and not make such blunders in the future like Nordstream. Finally, I want them to learn about WW2 from the Polish perspective, about Westerplatte and the Gdańsk Post Office, about the Soviet attack, the Katyń massacre, our armies on the Eastern and Western front, including Monte Cassino, the Battle of Britain, cracking of the Enigma, Pilecki and his fate after the war. And then about our Underground State and the Warsaw Uprising 1944, so that I wouldn't have to hear from them that the scenography of ruined Warsaw in the Pianist was exaggerated. They don't even believe a city could be ruined as much as what they did here. Truth is Germans know nothing about Poland. Europeans often laugh that Americans are ignorant. I promise you it'd be easier to find, on any single day, 10 Americans with some basic grasp of Polish history than 1 German. Sikorski once said that German kids learn about Chopin and Marie Curie at school, but they learn that they were French, and not Polish. It's the 21st century but Germans still tell Polack jokes, a phenomenon created by them in the 19th century when they cololnized Western Poland. Needless to say, the stereotypical image of Poles is what made Nazis categorize Poles as sub-humans during WW2. It's been so many years and they still haven't reflected on that. Coincidentally, the above mentioned problem also partly refers to German knowledge about Jewish history. As much as Germans learn about Holocaust, German historians ignore all sources that aren't German. That means Polish, and even Jewish sources, don't exist to them. If they were more open their understanding of the war and everything that happened here would be much more thorough. I do think it'd be nice if Jews learnt about Poland's history, too. Esp. about Jewish history in Poland. By the 18th century 90% of world Jewry lived here, but they usually learn the history of Jews in Britain, Spain, Italy, France, or Germany, that is countries where most Jews never lived. They could also learn about other minorities in Poland, because I think Jews don't realise that they were just one of many. Apart of Baltic-Slavic peoples, there were also Muslims, Armenians, Germans, Italians, Scots and many others.
you have a very good idea of what's going on in germany regarding what german kids are taught and germans disregarding polish and jewish historians (they do that as well with american and english ones) But you are completely blind about the bigger picture They WILL NOT teach their kids about Poland EVERYTHING that is done in germany is intentional and well thought out, Nordstream included It is directed from the very top of german society, and by that i dont mean puppets like Scholz The idea is to rebuild the old empire (in case you havent noticed, most of your country was part of it) They will deal with the poles and the jews as they have to (as they are forced to) but the objective is always the same, the reconstitution of the old empire What you poles want is to convince the germans(wolves) that poles(rabbits) are NOT part of their diet I think the jews realize the true reality and just ask for money By the way the RULING germans have no love for those in the east of germany, who know a lot better than poles or jews who they are dealing with And what is the german attitude towards poles and jews when they call east germans "scheissossis" (shitty easterners) Americans by the way are ScheissAmis You really need to get a much better (realistic) understanding of who you are dealing with Good Luck
Three of my four great-grandfathers saved many Jews during the German occupation. It's good that they survived because I wouldn't be writing these words now. Some of them were friends and then after the war they had contact with them from Israel, and unfortunately some of them became communists and they were not good people, rather they did a lot of evil, but we will not talk about them. My grandparents had different memories. I think it was about sympathizing with communists. Jews were our friends before the war. They worked hard and had a farm like Poles.
It's not a "memory gap", its deliberate and permanent German policy. In their eyes, Poland is in Mitteleuropa, Israel isn't. Being Polish in Poland is a problem for them.
You gained new data, but you are yet to absorb a new framework of thinking. Although this is appreciated and i think it is a part of a journey of discovery. The past is good to learn from but not good to live in. Most people in Poland care little about German reparations. We've moved on, happily overtaken Spain in GDP per capita PPP. Today we are going after Italy and UK. Tomorrow we will go after Germany. Poland will take back it's place leading Europe not through reparations and German compassion but through our own work, dedication and industriousness. Yes it is true that Germans have a memory gap about the suffering they caused to Poles. Consider themselves as our betters and treat us as backwards and poor. This is their problem. The way Poland uses reparations is to make Germany shut up when they attack Poland as: right wing, xenophobic fascists. That is all. The way one deals with traumatic past is not be re-living it, nor is it through litigating it or "getting even". There is no such things as getting even for history that happened to others. The healthy way is to acknowledge and learn from the past, live in the present and focus on the future. At least this is the way I see it.
Why to make things complicated: Polish losses were carefully and scientific calculated but Tusk put all into the basket. German guy preyending to be Polush PM, Herr Tusk, just resigned from the reparation for Poland for wwii. Polish paintings are still in German fancy houses while Warsaw was in 90% destroyed.
Prosze uprzejmie mi powiedziec, w „jakim niemieckim domu wisza polskie obrazy“???? Ja stad pochodze, tam zylem nawet 70 lat i W ZADNYM NIEMIECKIM DOMU zadnego polskiego obrazu widzialem!!! Skad ty masz ta bzdure???
@@motocyklist.gdanskwhat he said was in many ways ridiculous, but the lists of objects of art stolen from Poland by Germany and still not returned contain hundreds of thousands of objects, so it is not unreasonable to expect at least some of those things to still be in Germany.
The main problem is that Germany sees itself having paid that debt to PRL government (that again handed it to Soviet Union) It’s more a question of legitimacy, Germany saw PRL government as a legitimate (and still do) representative of the Polish public, while most of the Polish public did not feel represented by the commie party in Poland at all. It’s like if Sweden decided to pay reperations to Quisling’s government in Norway, then Quisling sending it all to Germany during ww2. Then the legitimate Norwegian post-war government asks Sweden how they feel about writing the wrongs and get over our past. How much would they be willing to pay in reperations? Then their answer is: “None! We already paid to you guys!” Uhm… No you didn’t… you paid Germany? Sweden: “What?” It’s a lot of misunderstanding of the situation and Germans probably were in no capacity to understand it during Cold War and frankly speaking got snubbed by the Russians… So now Poland tries to make amends, but Germany is being difficult about it, mostly cause they are sick and tired of foreigners asking money from them. So I would rather plead to the almighty and share my sufferings with him, then Germans to be honest. Sikorski’s mission is doomed to fail in my opinion. Germans have improved much over last 50 years, but I would be surprised if they would be willing to do anything about this other then symbolical gestures to be honest
The land where your loved ones were murdered becomes a silent scream. Poland, where so many Jews once lived, is very difficult for them, just as Volhynia in Ukraine is a difficult place to visit for Poles.
The material losses inflicted by the Germans in Poland are enormous, and the amount that should be demanded would simply be absurdly high. However, so much time has passed that it is difficult to expect grandchildren and great-grandchildren to be held accountable for the actions of their grandparents. I believe that rather than insisting on financial compensation, we should focus more on educating young Germans to make them aware of the horrendous crimes and injustices perpetrated by their ancestors against the Polish nation.
It isn't just Polish that had suffered atrocities, but many others. "THE SINS OF THEIR FATHERS WILL BE PASSED DOWN TO THEIR CHILDREN!" Nobody will ever erase that. It should be thought in our schools. It's not a pleasant subject, but keeping them blind from reality, truth, they trust and believe that our world is perfect. I teach mine the truth, point out facts about evil people, and promote skills to defend themselves.
You know I can appreciate your perspective and you looking into it , but yeah I think It's not just Germans and Jews that don't see the whole spectrum of how history has been unkind to Poland, and that is the trauma that literally changed people. You know suffering of war was 5 years, lost lives and country left in ruin. But Germany - was judged, taken to trial and given second chance to rebuilt. All that time we stayed behind the iron curtain , but the way it worked is not that we were blocked from the West it was that the West didn't see what was happening to the country and the people. That's why the hatred towards Russia is sometimes bigger and stronger than towards the Germans. It was literally decades of poverty , lies, trails of national heroes and people running away from the regime (many never returned) and that time also had so much antisemitism and it made people paranoid - not trusting anyone and anything. Finally they revolted and managed to win but those generations were changed for ever.
I miss your videos and would love to know more about your performance projects. I’m usually in Poland over summer and I hope I can attend one or two. I fully agree with what you said. To add to this, I feel like Polish people are not quite ready to talk about their trauma simply because it lasted longer (all the way through communism years) and ended later than Jewish trauma. As a result we have a late start and are just beginning to scratch that surface.
You can't count on the national memory of Germans because it doesn't exist. First of all Germany as a nation is only 150 years long. Before that time, there is no one nation just a bunch of tiny states speaking roughly similar Germanic language. Yes, this is the thing Germans are not proud of that their state exists due to unification done by this mongrel state of Prussia, created from the corpse of Teutonic Order state, as a subservient entity of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
Keep those videos coming, but quality before quantity is always the preferred approach. Nobody knows how to calculate the damages caused by the Germans during WW2. How do you calculate the value of the Royal Castle in Warsaw destroyed by the Germans with premeditation? How do you calculate the value of the people lost? Germany will not pay anything. Germany is about greed, greed above justice, greed above everything.
I’m not sure either if 1.3 trillion is the correct number but nobody else did any other attempt to calculate this. Like 6 million polish citizens died. How much do you charge per person? 1 million euro? 10 million? For example, for how much would you be willing to kill yourself? Now is a peasant’s life worth the same as a university professor? How do you calculate the GDP lost because the Germans wiped the academics and Poland wasn’t able to educate engineers, teachers, doctors, entrepreneurs etc? How do you calculate the people who died years after the war because they were sick but there was shortage of doctors? How do you calculate the lost income because Germans dismantled thousands of factories and moved them to Germany. Billions of tones of agricultural products that were confiscated during 6 years of occupation. 1 million pieces of art works stolen. Hundreds of thousands of books, rare ancient manuscripts stolen. Irreplaceable. It’s extremely difficult to put a number on this given how many factors come in the picture.
For a long time after WW2, the declared number of Auschwitz victims was 4 million. The in-depth research carried out several years ago has led to reducing the number to "only" about 1.1 million. Poland's overall human losses in WW2 have not yet been subjected to objective research. The 6 million dead Polish citizens is also overstated. This exaggerated number was launched shortly after the war for specific political purposes.
To były obozy dla Polaków , pierwszymi którzy zostali zamordowani cyklonem B byli Polacy i Rosjanie . Żydzi byli rok później tam wywiezieni. Dlaczego ?? Historia.
This is complicated story. When we think about Holocaust we think mostly about tragedy of Jews as Jews. But, because there was no Israel state at that time, they all be citizens of other countries. This story is not straight forward, there are good and bad people in every country and Jews, and other people too, suffered from the hands of their fellow citizens. And, to be honest, I cannot solve this problem, how to put in our view of this tragedy that killing Jews at that horrible time also mean killing citizens of country like Poland and France.
❤ You could get to know the person and work of Julian Tuwim - if you don't know him yet. He was a very popular Polish Jewish writer who struggled with his identity. He had a sharp sense of humor similar to yours.
I’ve heard an Interesting point about this. Maybe we should think about compensations in terms of mutual investment? Germans would be very hesitant to simply „pay money”, this point seems like an impossible to „sell” in the public and maybe would even create more resentment between both sides. But what about some projects, which would be benefitial for both sides? For example: fast railway system between Warsaw and Berlin, or ecologicial work on the Oder river, or maybe some shared military project? Maybe it would be useful to weaponise German guilt to actually build something benefitial for both countries as EU and NATO members.
@@phartbay327 Are you saying that EU subsides are a form of paying Poland for the war losses? So what about the EU subsides for countries that were Axis and helped the Nazis? I.e. Hungary gets more EU subsides per capita than Poland. And then what about other countries? Is France, or Denmark, or the Netherlands paying Poland the EU subsides for what Germans did here? Finally, you realise that EU subsides are calculated in a way to outbalance the profits the richer EU countries get from the deal? I.e. Germans pay the subsides because they profit more than Poland from Polish membership in the EU.
Sounds like you could have a very sensible discussion with the politician Mr G Braun in a positive sense. Pleasentries are far better than hostilities same as working toegether than against one another.
After reading all those wonderful comments, opinions, feedback, historical events, etc., I was very impressed on everyones knowledge. WAS IT REALLY FACTUAL KNOWLEDGE, OR WHAT YOU WANTED EVERYONE TO KNOW AS YOUR "TRUTH"?
They have not forgotten and the only thing the Germans are sorry about is they lost the war, twice! Poland will take bloody revenge, even if it’s in 500 years from now! My grandmother was a forced labour prisoner, my grandfather survived Dachau - never forget / never forgive. Greetings from Poland!
We deserve reparations from germany for everything and also the whole eastern block deserves communist reparations from russia. but we both know nothings gonna happen.
Panie Rubenfeld, muszę przyznać ; ucieszyłam się, że przyczyną nieobecności Twojej jest radosna praca a nie choróbsko jakieś. Nie oznacza to oczywiście, że będę słodzić . Pozdrawiam.
Great channel and great content. But when you lean forwart constantly, with your face going out of focus, with too much light and even lens distortions I have a feeling like you were jumping out of a monitor straight into my face. It is uncomfortable. You will be easier to watch if you invest in better camera, lighting and film from some distance.
What Michael Rubenfeld (as a second generation of holocaust industrialist) think about "The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering" by Norman G. Finkelstein? Greetings from old polish guy living in Alberta, Chinada.
@@erykbaradziej3639 you can demand all you want. According to the law Germany paid reparations to Soviet Union in lieu of reparations to Poland long time ago. One can argue that the deal was unfair to Poland and it was imposed on us by Soviet Union, BUT it was signed by Polish government that was internationally recognized at that time. So there is no legal way to claim that the deal was invalid. As far as Germany goes the matter has been settled.
It is good to hear different perspective, thank you. There must be a statute of limitation for events of WW2. Should 79 years be long enough to "move on?" Polish governments of the past, closed the issue long time ago. To argue that those agreements ware done in questionable circumstances and by illegitimate governments equates to saying that Poles have no capability to govern themselves. All those governments were elected by 99% of votes. As a Pole, I prefer to think that errors were made by the Polish nation as a whole, and we should bear the responsibility for our history. It is glorious and tragic at times, but it is ours. Let's learn from it, and perhaps avoid inviting the Teutonic Order to protect our borders once again.
Wtf are You talking about? None of these concessions have been done by legitimate power but by the soviet puppet governments willing to hold polish ppl subdued
@@michakurczab1341 Those soviet puppet governments were voted for in multiple elections with 99% of votes. Millions of people marched in May 1st parades, and millions belonged to PZPR. Some believed and some did this out of fear, but most followed the safe path of convenience. Only much later, they stopped.
@@KrisEnn906 Are you a troll or something? Poland was the only communist country where almost no one belonged to PZPR. At the peak of its popularity only 10% Poles joined the Party.
@@KrisEnn906 Oh, and BTW The Teutonic Order. Do you know exactly how many Teutonic Knights were invited? SEVEN. Seven guys! No one asked them to bring here an army and build a hostile monastic state.
Being Polish, I can say with utmost certainty I don't hate the Jews. To the contrary, you are to be admired for your resourcefulness, ingenuity, intelligence, solidarity and perseverance throughout millenia. I honor your modern history not in spite of but because of my right-wing, nationalist stance. Greetings from this krav maga student, Sir!
I admire your resolve to speak about this subject. In Poland most of the people like Jews or have a neutral stance. But there is a vocal minority, very active on the Internet who are anti-semites, hiding it better or worse. These are the people who vote for Konfederacja, about 7% of the society. Some of them are actual nazis (but to be fair a small minority of them). While speaking about such topics you will attract a lot of attention from the already mentioned vocal minority. Hence my comment regarding the admiration for your resolve :).
Nazism was invented in Germany and not in Poland. Poland fight against German Nazis and there is no family in Poland who haven't lost family member during World War II so calling someone Nazis in Poland is like calling someone Nazis in Israel (In fact I sam such cases too when Orthodox Jews were protesting along with Palestinian citizens in New York against Israeli policy in Ghaza. They were called Nazis too by other Jews). In majority of the cases leftist uses this argument to win discussion with those who stand for national interest. I hear this argument all over the the world. Everyone who disagrees with the leftist is a Nazi. The sad thing is that calling some Nazis actually does not mean anything nowdays since it was misused so many times that actually no one cares (except leftist).
nazism is an ideology, Poles can be nazis too it is not related to the country of origin. There are nazis in Konfederacja, not a lot of them but I can list some by name if required. They hate the Jews, do roman salutes, are ultra nationalistic and all that jazz. If it walks like a nazi and quacks like a nazi it's a nazi @@grzegorzdobrowolski1230
I like Mr Sikorski a lot, however in this case I am not sure his intention. What is the purpose of saying such thing? First of all I don't think war with casualties can be compensate with money. That is disgusting! Secondly. Why today's Germans should pay for something they would never do. Thirdly. Even if they did, those monies would not go to victims of those terrible times. For me the best compensation is democratic society in Germany able to build a bright future with their neighbors (and not only with them) within the EU. Fourthly. It is unfair to accuse Germans for a memory gap when Poles have the same problem with Jews. Poland was light years away from democracy before WW2, and had problems with their minorities especially with Jews (discriminating them gradually). Fifthly. Germans suffered a lot as well and their punishment wasn't made by court, but by crowds hungry of vengeance. People have right not to think about the past. It is better to focus on the future. Of course all people should know something about the past but the question is how much? Indirect answer is so much to not repeat bad things. Poland has just ended her times ruled by PiS, theAfD in Germany can only dream about the power that PiS had in Poland. I am fed up with the rhetoric of being innocent victim or being unique nation, because I am well aware what can be on the end of that way. Russia is showing that in Ukraine now... PS. I can see, Michael, you are under big influence of Kraków "cultural" heritage. 😄
I can't tell if you are polish, german or what As an american i can tell you we have a saying "those who don't remember the past are condemned to repeat it" So I cant really agree with you but I imagine the germans probably dream of poles, jews, russians and americans developing some kind of amnesia- THAT WOULD BE REALLY CONVENIENT My family came to poland from germany and austria between 1880 and 1916 They paid for everything they owned the way normal people do Then my family saw german criminals come in tanks in 1939 and steaL and murder innocent people I have very little tolerance for germans who whine about their suffering At the time of world war 2 the germans were criminals who have no right to complain Maybe the concept of Law and Order is different in europe than in America but we put criminals in prison, we dont listen to their whining how they got hurt while they were committing a crime
Myślę, że to wszystko nie jest takie proste. Spójżmy na to, że Polska otrzymała 1/3 powierzchni Niemiec. A powierzchnia była praktycznie nie zniszczona. Do tego dochodzi jeszcze, że długi PRL-u u RFN zostały spłacone w świeżo wydrukowanych hiperinflacyjnych złotówkach W ramach rozmowy o wyrównanie krzywd polskiego narodu i sumy pieniędzy której domaga się rząd powinny zostać uwzględnione takie właśnie punkty też. Do tego dochodzi, że drugi ogrom krzywd takich jak utrata 50% terytorium Polski na rzecz związku radzieckiego jak i zniszczenia i kradzieży spowodowanych przez armię czerwoną nie powinny zostać naliczane Niemcom. Tz np kradzieże sprzętu niemieckiego z Polski przez związek radziecki nie ma nic do czynienia z tymi rozmowami. Polska powinna rozmawiać na ten temat z Putinem
Co do ziem to się nie zgodzę. Stalin zabrał Niemcom ziemię i "dał" nam wcześniej sobie wywożąc co się dało do ZSRR, a nam zabrał ziemie wschodnie. Nie byliśmy w tej kwestii w ogóle decyzyjni. Tak więc stwierdzenie że dostaliśmy cos od Niemiec jest sporym nadużyciem pod kontem naprawy historycznych krzywd.
Sprawa jest prostsza niż się wydaje, bo ta akurat dotyczy Niemiec. Jaką informację chciałeś przekazać pisząc „ Polska otrzymała 1/3 powierzchni Niemiec”. ? Których Niemiec? Cesarstwo Niemieckie do 1918 roku - 540 858tys km² Republika Weimarska 1918-1933 - 468 787tys km² III Rzesza w roku 1939 przed napaścią na Polskę (łącznie z Austrią i Czechosłowacją) 633 786 tys km² (dane mogą być delikatnie różne, lecz dają prawidłowy pogląd) Rzeczpospolita Polska przed 2 wojną miała powierzchnię 389,6 tys km² Na rzecz ZSRR utraciła 179 955 tys km² .. Zostało ok 209 645 tys km² . Tak zwane „wielkie mocarstwa”, które tak na marginesie zapomniały o Karcie Atlantyckiej, przyznały łaskawie Polsce 102 855 tys km² . Powierzchnia Polski wynosi obecnie 312 500 tys km² W wyniku II wojny światowej Polska straciła ok. 20% swego terytorium Tzw „ziemie odzyskane” były jednak bardzo zniszczone przez wycofujących się Niemców a następnie przez Armię Czerwoną. Polska straciła najwięcej, bo ok. 20% stanu swojej ludności. Lecz liczba 6 mln zabitych podczas wojny obywateli Polski jest mocno kontrowersyjna, niedoszacowana i jak się wydaje, ustalona na potrzeby propagandowe. W sposób arbitralny i bez jakichkolwiek, choćby pobieżnych szacunków, ustalił ją Jakub Berman. „Jeżeli porównać dane spisów powszechnych z lat 1931 i 1946 to widać, iż Polska straciła w ciągu 15 lat ponad osiem milionów swoich obywateli. Trzeba jednak także pamiętać, iż do przestawionego rachunku należy dodać ponad 1 mln inwalidów, ponad 1 mln chorych na gruźlicę - to dopiero daje szacunkowy bilans strat ludzkich obciążający powojenną Polskę. Miało to także wpływ na spadek wydajności pracy w rolnictwie i przemyśle.” Od samego jej początku stawiała opór Niemcom. I chociaż w 1945 r. Polska de iure przynależała do obozu zwycięzców w tym konflikcie, de facto wojna ta przyniosła jej klęskę i niewolę Nie sposób wreszcie na koniec nie wspomnieć, iż II wojna światowa przyniosła Polsce niemal 45-letnią dyktaturę komunistyczną i zupełne uzależnienie od ZSRR - państwa współodpowiedzialnego za wybuch światowego konfliktu zbrojnego. Skutki tych wydarzeń kraj dotkliwie odczuwa do dnia dzisiejszego.” Niemcy atakując Polskę od pierwszych dni niszczyli, mordowali i grabili. Tacy mordercy i złodzieje. Wywieziono dzieła sztuki, kosztowności i wszystko co miało jakąkolwiek wartość „oprócz gówna psiego”. Ograbiono polskich obywateli (mam na myśli wszystkich obywateli)z życia, godności, domów, mebli, kosztowności, ubrań, pożywienia...włosy nawet kradli . Zostały gruzy, pogorzeliska, groby i miejsca mordów. Niemcy zafundowali nam trwogę, chaos, śmierć . Splugawili nasza ziemię . korzystałam z dziennikpolski24.pl/ii-wojna-swiatowa-polski-bilans/ar/2641928
Przez takich polaczków jak ciebie to dopiero tak daleko z nami doszło.. Źródło nie jest niemiecki atak na Polskę... Tylko rozebranie polski 1792..albo jeszcze wszczesniej ekspansja Niemców i prussów na polskiej ziemi..
Zrozum polaczku w końcu, że Polska nie "otrzymała 1/3 terytorium od Niemiec". Po pierwsze Polska nie miała tu nic do gadania, bo ustaliły to zwycięskie mocarstwa w Poczdamie, w wyniku tego, że Niemcy wywołały, a potem przegrały z nimi wojnę. Po drugie Polsce zabrano jej ziemie wschodnie i zrekompensowano to ziemiami niemieckimi na zachodzie - takie przesunięcie kraju. Tak więc to Związek Radziecki zabrał Niemcom tereny i przesunął tam Polskę, żeby zając jej ziemie wschodnie. Wszystko to nie ma żadnego związku z odszkodowaniami Niemiec za straty wyrządzone przez nich Polsce.
my dear Michael now you can do similar video about your own blood jewish brothers who were betreying poland any times , colaborating with soviet and germany hand to hand! after war jewish colaborater in prl times with cccp! also maybe you will tell how jewish (true kosher) act towards those jews who become more polish and they were not living in getto but were living with polsish nation? we poles know very well why germans dont want to remember ot teach own children what they did to poland ! sad thin is polan is never learn to protect itself and the ppl and we are doomed to doing it again and again..
@@lerubenfeld Hate? Myself? Achi, I don't hate myself or you. I am just pointing to the fact that your experience in Poland is not representative at best. You hang out around intelectuals, academics, artists etc. and only that is why you do not experience polish antisemitism at it's best. Most of my life I do not live in Poland but I was born there, raised there, went to schools and other institutions there. I know what I am talking about. It just seems to me that you are telling Poles what they want to hear to feel better about themselves. It's eazy. Yes, you can say that we just have diferent opinions but the truth is that you are getting paid by the Poles for stating your opinions I get death-threats for stating mine. A gite woch.
@@sylwia1410 To hate someone on basis of natonality/ethnicity is not only immoral - it is plain stupid. Unjustified. There is no reason into it. I am just saying that there are difficult things that need to be discussed openly and sugar-coating or as I said ass-kissing does not help.
@@jiddiszepiratentv2138 Getting paid by the Poles. 🙂 Are you really that stupid? So, is it Ok to be paid by the Germans? Or By the Americans? But not by the Poles?
