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I'm Austrian, but I have a friend from Germany visiting so naturally we compared our two countries and everything lined up perfectly with our experiences. People often think they're very similar and in some ways they are, but Austria scores EXTREMELY low in power distance (11, compared to the 35 of Germany). We're pretty laid back here, not much focus on titles and "Sie"-forms of politeness. Our indulgence level is also a fair bit higher. We're not that work-focussed, but we're pretty well known for loving our food, food culture is huge here. Pretty similar in most other areas. I'd be interested in more info about how he gathers the data, because that can make a monumental difference to the end result, but so far it's a very interesting thing to look at at the very least, thanks NALF!
I wouldn't call it laid back but more reasonable in certain areas and not as government obedient as Germans. People don't just buy what comes out of Vienna even less Berlin. People are a little more sceptical and less indoctrinated. For example the thing with with crossing the red light is the same as in Germany because children could imitate you as adult but i never had a normal person come up to me and tell me to turn off the motor of my car. All hell would break loose if you try to tell Bauer Franz to turn off his Tractor.
I agree with you there. I'm German, but I went to university in Austria for a while. I was surprised how down to earth the professors and general superiors were, how easy it was to disagree on some point and insert a new idea while brainstorming, where in Germany a superior might be offended by a perceived 'loss of face'. I thought it was great because any idea or suggestion was guaranteed to be at least considered.
@21st Century Boy No you clearly aren't, it was obviously just a rhetorical question. You clearly know nothing about the situations or circumstances Austria was in before the "Anschluss". It's not like Hitler advertised a World War and persecution of people, and Austrians said yeah come in we wanna join this. Let alone that 1938 Hitler wasn't even seen as something inherently negative in most countries in the world. So you obviously just try to weaponize your stupidity for provocation.
If you grew up with parents & those who lived through the Great Depression, as I did, your whole outlook on things is very different from the younger generation here in the U.S. I was taught to Never waste Anything; you go without, and save your money; fix it, and when it breaks down you fix it again, until you no longer can fix it! I've found myself living the way I was raised - buy used, and never throw things away. There is a generational shift from the older to the younger generation in the U.S., especially in the Midwest, compared to the East and West Coasts.
nteresting. It's similar in Germany and probably in most countries. I remember that my grandma ironed used wrapping paper to use it again. That's just one memory of many. We younger ones should take the older ones as role models in some ways! (Sorry, not sure, if the last sentence is correct English...)
Yes, that's much the same way it has been in the U.S. I agree, it's interesting, especially since so many here in the Midwest are of German ancestry. Dein Englisch ist sehr gut! Ich lerne Deutsch, oder ich versuche es zu lernen!
yup, grandma has a closed full of preserved foods. But I also like keeping stuff working. I used my old phone for 6 years (and my current one is approaching 4 now), I soldered new caps in my monitor, I build my desk from scrap wood, replaced light fixtures.
Totally agree on mornings. Even if I don't have to get up, there are so many things you can do that are just great. Like doing groceries and having super fresh vegetables, room to move. Enjoying the fresh weather.
Hey Nalf! Since you are living in germany for a while now what's your opinion on the "free" german healthcare and education system in total . can you maybe give us a lil bit of an insight regarding the differences between german and american mentality on these systems and what kind of system you prefer with your experience by now. im also interested on your personal opinion on the german and american gun laws. from my experience a lot of my friends and social contacts cant understand american traditions and the mentality behind it. escpecially when it comes to guns, healthcare and death penalty. best wishes
Hey, my highly esteemed NALFster! It warmed the cockles of my heart to see those bar charts from Hofstede (pronounced HOFF-stedd-a). I happen to be an American living in Munich who is a Hofstede Insights associate partner, who uses the tool for marketing consulting. So if you have any questions, HMU. The big ticket items where Germans and Americans differ are, as you noted, Long Term Orientation, e.g. if someone says “I’m starting a business”, the first thing an American might ask is “What’s your vision?”, whereas a German will ask “What’s your plan?” Another is Indulgence. If someone says “I want that car”, an American might say “go for it!” where a German will ask “do you really need it?” Have you noticed that German stores have fewer discount sales? Until 2004 in Germany, sales were highly regulated; nobody bought on impulse, and they generally still don’t. Household debt correlates with indulgence. In Germany, less than half of private cars are financed; in the USA, it’s rare to find a household without at least one car loan. And most important difference IMHO is Uncertainty Avoidance. Germans are uncomfortable with ambiguity; we love to hear Alles klar and genau. I have a section on my blog called Ordnung ist das halbe Lebens, where I document some of the persnicketiness that Germans insist on from Uncettainty Avoidance. www.deutschlanduberelvis.com/blog/ordnung-ist-das-halbe-leben/. Like I say, if you find this kind of stuff interesting, HMU.
Interesting information for further study! Just to add a tiny point here: I heard not to long ago that there was a time in the U.S. where 'sales' or merchandise discounts were prohibited in some fashion (1960s and somewhat prior?) There was a particular businessman who broke through on that somehow....someone who recently passed away. Vague, I know. Now, discounts are 'everything'. But just as NALF said, and I'm sure you are aware, that cultures undergo change, and re-form themselves, though some aspects change so slowly, they seem to stay constant, or nearly so. I don't disagree with your point of view or NALFS. I'm glad to hear this work brought to our attention!
You are right when you say every person wants to be happy. But what makes people happy is different in different countries. While people in germany are happy when they don't have to work too much, to spend time with family and friends, americans tend to work as much as they can to buy the newest stuff (always have the newest iPhone, etc.), cause that is what makes them happy.
But I hate having to learn a new gadget. The technology thing misses some of us. I am a Luddite, or so my kids tell me. As for other stuff (things) not really into it anymore. Maybe age chills you out on the acquisition obsession . Honestly, now the most valuable things in life are the happiness of my adult kids and my husband. Going out in nature and hiking, watching the birds, and loving on my pets.
Nah, not true. We love spending time with friends, family, and going on vacations as much as any other culture. The difference in America is that every aspect of a person’s life the person is expected to give 100% effort. It starts young. A kid may love basketball and football equally, but as he advances each coach and team expect 100% commitment which makes it practically impossible for the kid to participate in both. The same happens with being an adult. A person would rather spend time at home with family, but his company expects him to put 100% into the company (no sick days or vacation days) or the boss will promote another person that is willing to give up everything for the job. It was not always this way, even 25 years ago it was more balanced. Much has changed in our culture in the past 25 years. There needs to be a better balance. Americans like to be #1, including me, but not at the expense of family time and leisure time. I hope that companies and work places here in America will start to incorporate a better balance.
I danced a little awkward dance in public when I saw that Hofstede graph on the thumbnail of the notification for this video. :D My passion is studying this kind of stuff and to see one of my favorite RU-vidrs talks about it in such a reflected way is AWESOME! Things that Hofstede didn't talk about though (as I assume you are interested in this stuff) is: - high and low context cultures (check out edward t. halls work on this) - the iceberg theory on culture - the salad bowl vs melting pot idea (if you want to know how cultures can work together and why places like NYC are so diverse) - GLOBE framework for leadership styles (admittedly this one is a bit complicated but I swear it makes sense haha) Thank you for brightening my day once again and enjoy the reads! P.S.: Harvard Business Review has tons of cases on this field. They are goddamn gold.
Every aspect has its advantages. Take economy as an example: The US is one if not the leading country regarding innovation (e.g. silicon valley) which reflects the high value of individualism and the low value of long-term orientation and uncertainty avoidance. You guys are creative, try to realise ideas and if it doesn't work out it is not the end of the world. On the other hand, small and medium sized companies and family-firms ("Mittelstand") are the backbone of the German economy. Those companies are very succesful and often market leaders in niche markets (e.g. Erbe, Kärcher, Ritter Sport). Their succes is related to their conservative management (uncertainty avoidance)and long-term orientation (CEO's of German mid-sized enterprises stay on averge for around 20 years while it is less than 5 years for listed large companies).
I said one of the leading countries if not the leading country which implies that I do not know if they are the leading country but they are up there for sure. Also I did not say that every innovation ever made came from the US?! Reading carefully seems to be difficult for you.
There are 195 countries in the world and according to the Global Innovation Index 2017 the United States rank 4th in world's most innovative countries.
21st Century Boy I don't even understand what you're arguing about? Moritz obviously talked about innovation in bussiness and sciences, where the US certainly is leading in some areas and generally one of the more prominent countries when it comes to new inventions or the popularization of inventions. That doesn't take away anything from anyone.
21st Century Boy You just said that "it's simply not true" that the United States are leading in some areas. Let's take one of the most innovative industries in 2018: unmanned aerial vehicles. Here AeroVironment is WORLD LEADER in the military drone space. Just one example. Your statement is refuted.
During my semester abroad in the states last fall I took the class "cross cultural management" which dealt with Hofstedes dimensions. Our professor always referred to culture as "frozen history" and you can indeed explain some of the scores with historical events. For example, Germany scores relatively high on uncertainty avoidance. Germany lies in the centre of Europe, which is one reasons that it has been involved in so many wars (Thirty years war, franco-prussian war, world wars, ..). As a consequence, people wanted and strived for certainty.
South Korea probably scores high on uncertainty avoidance as well. I find their meteoric rise in economic power to be unparalleled by anyone. Such a small country to be the 11th highest GDP in the world. All from a drive to succeed post war.They have amazing public transportation too.
If a country is located in a geographical center, it has a lot of contact with other countries (eg neighboring countries), for example due to trade. Contact and communication can be a catalyst for conflict and violence (misunderstandings, disagreements).Take another extreme example. An island nation. Due to its geographical location, it has little contact with other nations and therefore the possibility of a violent conflict arises less frequently.
If just all humans had the same view on different cultures and that we could actual learn from each other instead of looking down on all the other cultures.
The question is always who can learn from who? Lets make an example. Child marriage is still normal in some countrys its a culture thing. Who says they are wrong and we are right? I will not learn how to marriage a 10 year old and they will not see why there is a problem with that from my perspectiv. Also is the faith in some countrys a higher value than the mind. I will never ever accept something like that. I would gladly dye if this would happen all over the world. You can only learn from other cultures if they do something better than you do and you cant say for example an hot dog is better than a curry wurst because they are diffrent things. They are not scaleable and everybody has a diffrent opinon on that. I dont see mutch what we can learn from the middel east or africa. They are poor and in efficiency I dont see any point they are better than us. Except from a better weather but we cant take their lands and homes^^
The US have become too individualistic. So, as you say, there are good things in individualism, no one disputes that. But extreme individualism (the same as extreme collectivism) brings more suffering. As a result of the overly individualistic society, the US fails on all fronts that require collectivistic approach like healthcare, public transport, public service etc. Societies, today, need to account for both of those powerful human needs. One for individualism (by which humans can innovate, develop, create, mature etc.), and one for collectivism (by which humans can form bonds, communities, resolve conflicts ets.). This doesn't mean every society will have an equal distribution of individualistic (capitalistic) or collectivistic (socialistic) elements or policies. That will depend on the nation's temperament, and culture, mindset etc., but every society must make room for those two aspects of human nature...the need for autonomy and the need for unity.
Every society does NOT have to make room for what you consider to be important aspects of human nature. Every society makes room for what works for them. You start of wrong in saying every society MUST... saying that to a group of individualist is sure to cause problems because individualist do not want to be told what they MUST do. That does work in Germany, but not in the USA.
+Cacilia Why I understand your objection but I disagree. Societies have to make room for both aspects. They have to in order to have a more productive and happy society. Now, like I said, different cultures will have different distribution of those policies. Some will tilt more towards individualism, some more towards collectivism. There is no dispute here. But you have to have the presence of both. Extremes on one or the other side are detrimental. And specifically to the US, they have become extremely individualistic. As a result, some segments of societies are not functioning (e.g. healthcare). As to the approach to change, of course you don't say to an individualist you "must". Americans, in particular, have become so allergic to anything resembling collectivism that they would outright reject it. That doesn't mean they're right.
I compared Sweden (obviously where I'm from) to both Germany and United States. Two things stood out… First, Sweden got a 5 on Masculinity compared to Germany (66) and US (62). Yeah. Nobody cares about macho dudes in Sweden. -.- Also, Sweden's highest rated category was Indulgence. (Which surprised me to be honest.) Sweden had 78, US had 68 and Germany had 40. Guess we are pretty in to out Friday 'cosy evenings'… it's a thing.
Hygge became a trend this last winter in the USA. Comfort is needed when the weather is horrible. We had plenty of little books published for women on how to get hygge into our lives. Indulgence is needed when life sucks.
If you read the description 'masculinity' doesn't refer to being macho. It refers to having a competitive society in which 'success' is defined by achievement and winning. In low scoring countries 'success' is defined by quality of life and standing out from the crowd is discouraged.
Years ago, when I did an English course, our coach told the story about the Korean Airline too. If I remember right, the issue was also how you address people that are in a higher rank. Here we have Du and Sie but in Korea it is more complicated. The airline solved the problem with switching to English in the cockpit. So it is always "you".
I did a comparison between: United States, South Korea and Denmark. Why those? Because I am about half American, half South Korean, adopted to Denmark and raised in danish culture. I was curios which would be genes, and which would be culture? Power distance: Denmark: 18 South Korea: 60 United States: 40 Individualism: Denmark: 74 South Korea: 18 United States: 91 Masculinity: Denmark: 16 South Korea: 39 United States: 62 Uncertain avoidance: Denmark: 23 South Korea: 85 United States: 46 Long Term Orientation: Denmark: 35 South Korea: 100 United States: 26 Indulgence: Denmark: 70 South Korea: 29 United States: 68 What this tells me is, that danes are VERY easy going. The distance between the boss and the employee is almost non-excistent. Usualy they will be at first names with each other from first moment. Hey, we're even on petnames with our Royal family. There is almost non uncertain avoidance in danish culture. We just burst out our opinions to whom ever. The masculinity of the society is almost extinct - we're a country full of siccor boys. On the other hand: Denmark scores highest of the three in indulgence.
The power distance thing is definitely true though... a classmate of mine said the word fuck or fucking in class yesterday, and nobody seemed no notice or put anything into ot
Just random thoughts: You know one day, you're going to have to use a German composer for your background music. I wonder if the mic police with be out in force on this rainy day. And, oh, the onset of varicose veins usually occurs at a much later age in adults. I suspect that reading Outliers is illegal in Germany.
Didn't catch the illegal here in Germany comment until now. Snicker, snicker. ;) I love that book. However even if the 10,000 hour thing is up for debate, I love it because maybe some day my painting will be really terrific!
Mark I had to rely on B. Edemaxx to point out to me that this music is "Waltz of the Flowers" by Tchaikovsky. I thought it was Strauss. Thus, my comment about needing to use music by German composers for a change. Just my little joke about when Germans say Austrians aren't German. Someone on here told me Carl Maria von Weber, Carl Philipp Emanuel Bach, Felix Mendelssohn and George Frideric Handel were not German composers, because they're all from Bavaria. I guess Dolly Parton isn't an American singer, since she's from the South.
The Korean Air story reminds me of a documentary about NASA. There, after a few accidents for which nobody wanted to be responsible, a new system was introduced. Since then, the technicians have had to assure the astronauts at a personal meeting that everything is ok for the upcoming flight.
Reminds me of the story that one of the luxurious car manufacturers has the name of the final inspector engraved on the engine block. Basically as a personal guarantee that this car will work. It is important to move away from a "blame culture" and towards a "improvement culture". Instead if trying to avoid personal responsibility after the accident, it goes towards taking it as a learning experience on how to avoid the situation in the future.
Hi NALF love your vlogs. I just recently stumbled up on your channel. Love the style you have. Good storytelling, interesting scenes, good cuts, amazing background music. It's so interesting to see the cultural differences between Europe and the USA. I am from Austria and played 8 seasons of American Football myself btw. I followed your suggestions and explored the link. Quite interesting really. What stood out was that Austria has a power distance of 11! Guess our planes never crash because we are more than willing to tell anybody how something is done correctly. :-P HAHA
Hey NALF, IMO the 2.35 Aspect ratio does not suit vlogs that well. Whenever I see your vlogs I am getting this kind of claustrophobic feeling and also some content gets cut off and it is harder to get your whole face in Frame. If you are doing it for stylistic purposes please rethink this. An aspect ratio does not make a video a movie. Also Aspect Ratios should have at least some kind of motivation. If you are doing it to fit Ultrawide Monitors or modern smartphones please rethink it too. In Germany over 90% of Smartphones have an aspect ratio of 16/9, in the US it is ~90%. With computer monitors it is even more extreme with less than 1% being ultrawide. If you still want to upload in an aspect ratio wider than 16/9 please consider using something like 18.5/9 which the S8 uses or something similar.
I looked at the study and to be honest with you, I think a lot of it has to be taken with a grain of salt. However, it's certainly a good starting point for discussions and comparisons. I looked at the numbers for Hong Kong (lived there for twenty years), Germany (born and raised), and the US. Germany scored 65 in uncertainty avoidance, US 46, and Hong Kong 29. That Germany scores higher than the US isn't really a shocker, but that Hong Kong was the lowest by such a wide margin surprised me quite a bit. I would be really interested to know what kind of data they used. In my opinion, Hongkongers are very entrepreneurial, but at the same time extremely focused on accumulating wealth to gain security for their future. Unlike in Germany, people in Hong Kong don't have a social security system to rely on, but that doesn't mean that they don't want to avoid uncertainty. Whereas Germans rely on their country's social security system, Hongkongers rely on family support and their bank account. When British colonial rule ended and Hong Kong reverted to China, an extraordinary number of Hongkongers tried (and succeeded) to gain a second citizenship (Canada, GB, USA). Most of Hong Kong's population fled from the upheavals of communism in Mainland China, and when the city reverted back to China, people went out of their way to have the security of being able to leave the country should sh*t hit the fan again. I also looked at individualism, and predictably US is first with 91, followed by Germany 67, and Hong Kong 29. Again Hong Kong's low score is in my opinion open for discussion. To Western eyes most Asian cultures seem to be extremely conformist, and while that is true for some aspects, Hongkongers are also individualistic in the sense that they believe that they alone are responsible for their prosperity and success in life. In that aspect Hongkongers are very similar to Americans. Hongkongers don't expect to receive handouts from the state, and they have far less "Sozialneid" (social envy) than Germans.
I know I am 3 years late, but I'd you haven't check out Thomas Swell's Basic Ecomics. It's a very nice read about how cultures develop and how it impacts them economically. It sounds boring, but it reads very well.
That's very interesting! Thanks for showing us this book. What does "indulgence" mean in this context? And I saw your spoiler! Thank god I read the book 7 years ago!
In my daily work I experience always, really every day, the impact of cultural differences on business and economy. For sure cultural differences are the major reason when things are going wrong. The fascinating thing is, how to learn to handle different cultures. Be tolerant, be patient and never forget your own culture whith its strengths and weaknesses. Often this means that you really have to learn about your own cultures. Learning about details you are doing because you think they are granted but in fact are often only occuring in your own culture. Once you get a feeling of how to combine and use the strenghts of different cultures, you can achieve great results. It is so fascinating. World would be more safe and peaceful if "how to deal with cultural differences" would be taught i. School. :)
Hofstede's work ist indeed very interesting and it provides a decent idea on the general cultural dimensions. However, it is important to know that the data is not necessarily representative because fo the data source (e.g. mostly IBM-employees) and the fact that the data is relatively old. It is safe to say that those data would probably look a bit different today. Keeping that in mind the data is definitely a good tool to get a general understanding of those things.
I feel the same about mornings and I feel like that preference for mornings instead of evenings is quiet rare in our generation. Most people prefer the evenings and don't seem to be able to get out of bed before noon if they don't have to.
I love both. Morning is bright,and hopeful. Evening is about feeling peace and rest. But, my children are grown and I am no longer falling into catatonic sleep deprived comas at the end of the day. Bliss!
I was first surprised to see the high rate in individualism for the US in that chart you showed. Ran completely contrary to my impression of US society - people there wear the same (sports) clothes, buy in the same big box chain stores, wave their national flags wherever you go, and recite the pledge of allegiance etc.. In all my visits there, I got the impression of a very conformist society. But then you explained that individualism in that study was to be understood rather as market liberalism. And, of course, excessive market liberalism without hardly any state intervention will lead to monopolies in many areas, which will create the impression of conformism that I experience every time I'm in the US.
When Americans go on and on about how "free" they are (which is closely connected to their supposed individuality) they mean free from state intervention. They have absolutely no problem with being controlled by private actors instead, such as their surrounding community, churches or corporations. In fact freedom is often perverted these days to mean the freedom to oppress other people. They actively oppose most state intervention that has the goal to protect people from oppression. The only freedom people are accorded is to pick who controls them, but then they are expected to conform.
Does living in South Korea count as homework, and does growing up as a missionary's kid in Mexico count as homework? Also does living in the Ozarks count as living in a foreign culture? Just saying that one because I grew up in Southern California and where I live now is very different. Isn't that a great book though? Have you gotten to the 10,000 hour equation yet? I think you have surely busted out 10,000 hours of video editing. OK, so a little about Korea. The respecting your elders thing and societal strata thing is very real. It comes down to very small things, such as who eats first at the dinner table. Eldest or highest ranking goes first. Everyone is extremely aware of it. Being an American woman was difficult while living there, because women are second class citizens. It drove me nuts. Plus, they have no space bubble too, so men were constantly pushing my short self around in the markets. Older women did it as well to me, and I'm not exactly a spring chicken, so :( . However, their societal respect for elders is commendable. The disrespectful youth of America could take a few lessons. Honestly, It balances out. There are both good and bad outcomes from this Confucian based belief system. The memories from Mexico are less fresh as I was young when we went there frequently. I remember plenty of very kind and smiling people. I also remember that the males seemed chauvinistic, or more outwardly masculine than men in America. But as I was young it did not affect me much. The Ozarks, here in Missouri are a balance of educated and intelligent people along with backwards thinking individuals. Are the stereotypes true? Oh, my yes! There are folks with big bellies, plumbers butt and twangy accents. They love to go deer hunting, drink beer on the river and have names like Billy Bob. Does that make them bad or stupid? No, just part of the local culture. Traveling with the military has taught me that each place I go has a way of thinking that serves the people who live there. As a long term visitor (3-6 years) it is my job to learn their survival skills and integrate myself into the local environment as best as I can. However, my American individualism often helps me out when I am frustrated by things like space bubbles. I go into my home, put some All American 1980,s hard rock on my computer, and relax in the safe spot I have just created for myself. Then I make apple pie. Hoping you find encouragement in your book. :)
@S Rey I am currently residing in the United States, but moving to Germany in October. My most crazy experience occurred to me in a small grocery market in Seoul, South Korea. I was just shopping for garlic and sprouts when a maybe 70 year old ajumma (respectful term for a grandmotherly type), shoved me out of her way to get through a narrow aisle really hard. I almost fell down! I went home that day in tears of frustration. I was later told, the reason for pushing and shoving in that generation was due to the depredations faced during and after the Korean war. After I knew that, the rudeness was explainable. I wonder if Germany's physical bubble is rooted in similar circumstance? Any theories?
Oh yeah, I'm an American housewife and the experience happened when I was maybe 40. It did not happen here. But Nalf's video yesterday has me mentally preparing for battle at Aldi.😈
Thanks NALF for another invigorating Vlog. Woven full of threads and thought provoking issues and ideas. After comparing my country (Australia), USA and Germany plus others; I was surprised that Australia and the US are so similar. We have universal health care so the individualism score maybe questionable (or the definition of individualism!). I am a planner, follower, etc similar to Germany (must be my German genes).
Funny enough I just wrote a 4000-word essay about culture dimensions (that's the psychology term). My essay focused on individualism and collectivism in Japan and how it changes because of globalization etc.. I am surprised, that Hofstede's theory is mentioned in the book. Ps.: two of the six dimensions were added by Michael Minkov 2007 and were not originally from Hofstede. sorry for the long comment :) I am just really investigated in psychology within culture.
Great link, Nalf. At first I was about to complain how a lot of the data doesn't make any sense and how I don't get, what certain dimensions exactly measure, until I read the texts underneath the graphs and everything became very clear. This is not just great brain fodder, to some extent it's actually eye opening. Two dimensions especially did it for me: 1. Masculinity - Germany is as competitive and loves status objects as much as China (but not Hong Kong), Bangla Desh, the UK and the Czech Republic, a little bit more than Poland and the Phillipines (both 64) and even the USA (62), home of competition and status objects, and far more than France (43) and South Korea (39!). And Ireland (68) and Austria (70) are even more obesessed with this stuff than Germany, and only Hungary (88) and Japan (95) are worse in this regard afaics. 2. Indulgence - France (48) is a (somewhat) restricted country and doesn't enjoy life really so much more than Germany? OK. Also Poland, the Czech Republic (both 29), Hungary (31) and especially Italy (30!!) score remarkably low? They all don't put much emphasis on their leisuretime? Hm, it would really be much more than just an understatement to say that this outcome does surprise me. I get the eastern central european countries to some extent: all three had been in the Warsaw Pact and are still struggling to catch up with the western countries, so that their people will work far more than e.g. most germans would (while they certainly still love their leisure time) - but Italy? Man, that sure comes out of left field. And while I'm still sceptic about some of the values I must say, that this Hofstede site is definitively an interesting one.
Hey nalf! If you would like to hear an ideia from a Brazilian guy, I would ask you if you want to do a video all speaking in German, to test yours skills, how about that? Thanks for seen this little comment!
@3:15 Wait a second... wasn't that "Gerry guy" the one who [in one of your earlier videos] pointed out that you can pass classes at US highschools by means of "drawing by numbers/solving sudokus"? Oh... yes, he was! -- Also... it's probably just me [no, it isn't]: while Gladwell's books are sound and valid, I don't get why people are "hyping" his observations in the way they do -- about 80-90% are just "well, that's common knowledge, isn't it? [please, let it be common knowledge!]".
did you know south korea also has a very high number on drunk driving accidents? its also because younger ppl wont speak up and hold their older friends back from driving drunk
You are not lazy. Just your workouts tell me that. You might, be a person who likes to find the quickest route to the end. That makes sense. I'm enjoying watching. And I'm not sure, but if I'm not a patreon supporter I probably will be within a month. My grandfather's family is from Hessa and Bavaria state. I'll look at the site. But I'll probably get the book from my City Library to read first.
Germany is so beautiful! I love being of German heritage and birth, us Germans have so much to be proud of. I also want to live there. But I will have to make millions to live in a haus. Because I love haus! Sorry for my englisch it’s not fluent yet. Still working on accent and spelling
In my opinion, I bet USA might be 99 Individualistic score nowadays, because this data Geert Hofstede surveyed must be from the 1960s, he surveyed 100,000 people per country. According to the data the USA individualistic score was 91, now I think it might be higher nowadays compare to 1960s. What do you think?
I've found something that does not really seem to fit Denmark, with a score of 74 is an Individualist society. This means there is a high preference for a loosely-knit social framework in which individuals are expected to take care of themselves and their immediate families only. The fundamental issue addressed by this dimension is the degree of interdependence a society maintains among its members. It has to do with whether people´s self-image is defined in terms of “I” or “We”. In Individualist societies people are supposed to look after themselves and their direct family only. In Collectivist societies people belong to ‘in groups’ that take care of them in exchange for loyalty. I am Dane and we have one of the most comprehensive safety net in place. Furthermore we have a fairly high volunteer work force and foreign aid likewise.
This is bevause we also view our society as a whole as a relatively close group, this was commented on by a british ambassador to DK almost 200 yrs ago. This is also why janteloven is so prominent, and why integration is a huge issue, you need to fit into our society, but when you've fit in, you can do whatever you want within those quite loose norms.
I live in Denmark and am from Germany, so my view is perhaps a tiny bit different. Sure, you got the CPR number, but do you really think people care? There is that little thing called "andedam" that plenty of Danes are not going to look beyond. Rightly so, if you aren't born Danish or somewhat culturally close, you will not feel like you are a part of the society. I struggled with it until I got a job and I am not even from a country with that much of a conflicting culture. So I'd agree with vrenak.
Yes, it's just we are unusual shy when it comes to opening up. They do not want to be pushy and a nuisance. The only advice I can give, is be a little bit pushy yourself.
While the country differences are interesting, what I find more intriguing is how these 6 scores would change when they're applied to expats. What sort of influence does a certain society wield over newcomers? Is there a punishment if expats don't conform (especially if one makes a jump from a highly individualistic society into a highly collectivist one), how an individual is changed after a long-term stay in another country/culture? Are the changes unconscious? Or are they a survival mechanism, therefore completely conscious? Is there a natural leaning of people movement toward a certain kind of culture/society? And if yes, what exactly does that say about human nature? People may be the same all over the world, but their differences are staggering when we put two extremes on the same axis and try to plot along the way...
I know I am catching you late, but your point is valid. I do think that newcomers are and should be held to the core standards of the society they have decided to live in. Although it might seem unfair, as the learning curve will be quite steep, it is necessary for peaceful integration.
Indiviluaism means less care for the people around you if you explain it like this. And i think you might be right that people mostly watch themself in the US. I can tell. My parents have a green card living at the east
There are numerous parameters to compare different cultures and you can always discuss which ones to use. I do not necessarily agree with Hofstedes choice but would have to read the book first. I've followed the healthcare debate in the States for quite a while (actually since Clinton) and have been tempted to scream at my TV several times. Social security is not a matter of socialism or even communism. Actually Germany was the first country in the world to introduce a social security system in the mid 18 - hundreds under Otto von Bismarck who was anything but a socialist or communist. If you want an effective society, you'll have to ensure that people are healthy and have a perspective and you have to embrace the fact that you not always can control your life. btw: nice legs :-)
Well, well, well... there is a report saying that every individual of Kennedy's council which was to decide on involvement in the Vietnam war was opposed to the idea but thought that everyone else was for it. The praised American individualism obviously did not work.
Okay since this is all about Smarts, i thought i add the IQ Leaders to the Mix, Singapore (Av. IQ:108) and the one thing that is standing out pretty Heavy is Uncertainty Avoidance ... only 8 ... This is the 2nd Top Gross National Income (GNI) per capita at purchasing power parity (PPP) Country in the world (behind Qatar) as well as 3rd in GDP (PPP) per capita which is often considered one of the indicators of a country's standard of living. So whilst theyre high on power and low on individualism, just like most other Countries in Asia, it makes you wonder, if that ... is it a risk taking Mentality ? ... has something to do with anything. o.O
interesting ones ... Home vs. USA Power distance 30 40 .. surprising as "power" is not distant here. You meat your leading politicians at the grocery or the hot springs .. it is all very personal here. I am more surprised it is 40 in the USA and not 100 Individualism 60 91 .. that one surprised me a lot, i thought we were a lot more individual Masculinity 10 62 .. no surprise there Uncertainty Avoidance 50 46 .. we have a sort of "i dont care about what i cannot change.."-attitude here, so... Long Term Orientation 28 26 .. surprisingly similar. I thought we scored higher here. Indulgence 67 68 .. almost identical .. then again, i have no idea what indulgence is.
Don't worry about butchering that guy's name. Anyone who's not Dutch will do so. The Dutch love their "ch" sound way too much. I don't know how the "G" turns into a harsh "ch". But in Dutch it does. Now I have to rewind to actually listen to what you have to say. About the comparison: I always feel like there are a lot of shared values between Germans, Dutchies and Scandies - and Austrians, though that (at least in relation to Germany also always seems like a rather special relationship that almost falls into the equivalent of the uncanny valley). So based on that I plugged those countries in. Well, not all at once cause that doesn't work. So two groups: The Scandies (minus Iceland) and Germany. And then Dutchies, Austrians and Germans - and Hungary. Why Hungary? Cause it used to be "Österreich-Ungarn" (Austria-Hungary) way back when. So, the Scandies and Germany. Biggest surprises: the masculinity score difference and long term orientation. I knew the scandies are very feminist. Sweden is kinda famous for it. - But I wouldn't have expected the scores to be /that/ low. Especially for Denmark who seem in their own way "conservative" for lack of a better word. Maybe "oriented toward traditional values" ... and it kinda speaks for itself that I seem to associate "traditional values" with masculinity. Outed as a German. As for the long term orientation; smh I always get the impression they are as long-term oriented as we are. But maybe that's more in terms of (European) politics and (international) partnerships and not necessarily a cultural thing. - Which I think is also a very interesting differentiation. Next up Germany and the other Central Euope countries. Again the masculinity index came as a surprise. This time in terms of the Netherlands. Wouldn't have expected it's that low. They don't advertise it, that much is for sure. Other than that it does seem all four are pretty close together with few extreme differences. And, because there is so much talk about that French-German-Axis in the context of Europe I compared those two as well. And what the French determine via power distance the Germans apparently do via masculinity. Thanks for providing me with a toy that's going to keep me from getting a good night's sleep now ^^
A good video nalf...that high score from the usa is maybe the reason why 1% of americans own 42% of your countrys money cause to much thinking about themselfs.
na na na. American individualism is not just about oneself. And most Americans don't have a problem with that 1% because in America, individualism allows everyone the opportunity to become part of that 1%. Look at history. America helps everyone. Look at the Americans on that Paris train. While the Europeans were running for cover, they fought back for everyone. Individualism is the ability and desire to make your own decision. Not to just part of the pack running for cover.
Unterhaltsam, daß Sie jetzt Stützstrümphe tragen... Da war etwas sehr Interessantes in dem Video, das ich schon wieder vergessen habe, die Aufmerksamkeitsspanne läßt nicht nur bei jungen Menschen nach, ich werde es mir Morgen, voraussichtlich, noch mal ansehen müssen. Sie haben offenkundig einen Sinn für das Schöne, warum tragen sie ihn nicht in Ihren persönlichen Raum. Nehmen Sie all dieses nicht allzu ernst.
interesting insights. Why don't you try something like "refugees". I would like to see, how you deal with something like this. I know, it's not "leichte Kost" (light fare)
Oh My Gosh! Oh Nalf would take so many hate hits. My husband spends tons of time looking at videos of what's going on all over Europe and it makes both of our stomachs hurt. I can't imagine what the dialogue would be in the comment section.
I think these things r sooo interesting too!!! good example germany: before the war germany was called land of poets and thinkers or something idk bc its a leading country in classical music and all of that, after the war, the tables turned. kinda funny but really sad too
But you guys are so awesome, what great engineers you have! America bows down in respect to your mechanical prowess. I am totally not joking. Plus, you don't lose your wonderful art just because your countries focus shifted. It was a matter of survival!
The United Kingdom and United States are very similar on a number of those dimensions... including individualism, yet the UK has had National Health since the end of WWII. I also noticed that Australia is almost identical to the USA in every dimension.
