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Thanks for not just "speedpainting" the mniatures. Your shadowing with "Inks" and especially the part where you use magenta and turquoise for the dead skin ist very inspiring.
Right? If there’s one thing that bugs me, it’s how many videos show you how to “speedpaint” your minis. I don’t want to speed paint them. I want to slow paint them so they end up looking like works of art.
The thing about painting mini's is the more minis you paint the faster you get, no short cuts, no giving up quality, you actually get faster AND better. I started off painting mini's for my Iron Hands for the Horus Heresy and I still go back and do up some models once in a while. When I started out I was doing one model at a rate of about 5-6 hours, now if I focused down one it's about 2 and a half hours for one and I'm using acrylic paints, oil paints, I'm using washes and glazes, and damage effects where as before I was just layering acrylics and slapping on nuln oil and I even get faster when I have more to do, I painted up 5 in about as many hours, so not only do I paint better, but I paint significantly faster when I have more on my table. But it's not a race. I like what I do, I'm a hobbyist not a consumer. I like sitting down, putting on a Godzilla movie and just painting in a poorly lit area for hours to the best of my abilities no matter how small or big the model. I think more people should be focused on that, these speed painting challenges are just that, a challenge. They try and make the models readable as what they should be when they're on the table and that's it, you have them on the table and they're usually just OK at the best of times. Anyways tirade over, your minis look just fantastic, as far as I'm concerned it doesn't matter how old the kit is it's the person painting it and you as always Trov were able to make these models look great while showing us how to actually achieve a look similar to this in a simple, easy to understand way, keep it up
For me, "speed painting" isn't really about the time invested into the model, it's about using/learning the techniques that are exceptionally efficient at achieving the desired result. I still spend most of my time looking at my model doing nothing to decide on the next artistic step and there is no shortcut on that but experience. But there's several ways to produce a gradient on an area - and the techniques that produce the best results are not necesserily the ones that take the longest. On a larger area there's nothing that can beat an airbrush in either quality or time cost, and on smaller scale oil paints can produce blends in a few seconds that would require hours with layering or glazing. Coincidentally, efficient ways of painting something are often also easier ways of painting something. Producing results faster results in more time for experimentation with the technique, resulting in a faster understanding of the matter. As an example I've painted the warband of Iron Golems from the Warcry starter set in around 2 hours using easy and efficient speed painting techniques. Then I've spent 10 hours more on just one of the minis to push it a little further, then applied touched up the rest of the models with the most effective steps that I discovered in those 10 hours. Sitting on the table, there's no noticable difference in the quality of the models. Which means that I have 20 minute paintjobs matching a 10+ hour paintjob, just by choosing my "battles" wisely. If I had only done the one 10 hour piece, I'd probably still only have that one finished miniature of the warband and a second one half finished and abandoned. Instead I achieved a very satisfying closure for the project. To sum it up I very much agree with Trovarions sentiment - investing time into single projects can be a great "learning investment". But I also think that speed painting techniques can very much compliment this learning process, by amplifying the satisfaction in the results from very early on.
@@raxxor18 I don't know if that should be considered "speed painting", but more so just getting better at it. When you see these "speed painting" challenges from miniature painters on youtube you usually see someone who can paint at a relatively high level sacrifice quality for speed. But whenever I see Vince Venturella paint in real time I'm always amazed at what he's doing because he gets the quality I want and I spend hours trying to replicate in in 10 or 15 minutes, he just zips through it. You get can get new tools and learn how to use them properly, pick up new techniques, figure out where your efforts are wasted and you're just spinning your wheels and drop it etc. You don't sacrifice quality for speed, you're just becoming a more experienced hobbyist and therefore getting faster naturally. Basically what I'm getting at is there is a difference between being able to paint up something fast and speed painting
@@kurthasedd7923 If I don't choose to use speed painting techniques I spend hours on a single model, which is fine as I like to do that, but I'm not getting much done. If I choose to speed paint I make a plan and choose efficient techniques only. Marco Frisoni is my biggest influence here. He's also an exceptionally talented painter, but I *can* follow his videos in reasonable time and reproduce the techniques on new models without guidance. Unlike Vince Venturellas works that I struggle to follow at all, as they mostly rely on a deeper artistic understanding of the matter.
The one in the yellow dress reminds me of the painting Girl with a Pearl Earring. The headwrap doesnt quite add up, but the blue with the yellow dress just screamed Girl with a Pearl Earring to me lol
Absolutely stunning. You make incredible videos, but watching this I feel like I could actually follow along and try to make something like this too. Awesome content.
Very informative. Your inclusion of the elapsed time for specific sections, the total painting time, and your commentary on what you would consider a satisfactory tabletop standard before refining the miniature are incredibly valuable. This serves as an excellent reference to gauge what can be accomplished within a given timeframe.
Great video, thanks for the tip at the end in reference to speed painting. The process should be relaxing almost a zen experience looking forward to next video
Speaking on your final thoughts, we have a saying in Jiu-jitsu: "slow is smooth, and smooth is fast". I believe this applies to painting also. Wonderful content as always, you're one of my favorites due to the quality you put out. Thank you.
Even tho the video is full of great knowledge to use on our own miniatures, I think that my favorite part of the video is the final thought about getting better at painting and not focusing su much on speed, because by painting with the idea of getting better overall, you'll get faster too, but learning much more than drybrushing 12 miniatures in a row. Anyways, amazing video, and amazing thoughts to go along with it.
Thank you for the great video! Definitely inspired me to experiment more with my zombies - especially the ink colour choices providing more subtle interest to the flesh tones. Reminded me of what James Gurney talks about with different colour zones on the face and body.
I like how you show the paints you used. For me it's easier to recognize the paint from a picture compared to just the name (especially because the GW names for paints are ridiculous). Good stuff!
Damn you probably made the best bloodbowl painting guide i've ever seen though. Only reason it didn't make me buy, was cause a friend already got the pack :(
Hello Chris, thank you for this awesome video! I first thought: damn, this blonde/orange hair looks soooo nice. Way too nice for a zombie. It's really cool to see it all come together in the end.
Really nice video Trovarion, thank you! :) I'm one of the people that haven't painted my cursed city yet, so definitely going to try your way for the zombie skin tones! :)
I haven't even opened my CC box! So there! I'm saving it for a week I have off later in the summer. Will be nice to have a CC mini binge. Lots of other projects to take care of in the mean time though.
don't worry my love I've painted 12 out of 63 mini! feel free to keep posting stuff of cursed city, the other channel are for speed painters, we are not speed painters. And if you are planning a Jensen video it would be a dream
The whole zombies with backpacks was the main reason I passed on Cursed City. I knew I wouldn't have any interest to paint them seeing as they all had the same pose with only differing "backpacks". The whole idea is a bit silly to me. I mean one or two maybe has something stuck to their backs, but all of them? Glad to see some variety coming in the new zombie box. On another note, what is that ball of grass tuft called? 14:22 I have never seen one before! Amazing work as always Chris!
@@trovarion I heard you mention seaweed but I thought it was manufactured into those balls. I had no idea they were formed naturally like that. Awesome stuff.
This is inspiring, I'd usually stop before you get to the extra highligh step (about 1/2 way through) but I'm always worried it will look too 'comic'-y. Especially if I want to paint something dark like Delaque or Undead
@@trovarion blue stuff + liquitex ink + dropper bottles = reduced income for gw ! And you wonder why !? I am convinced it's better for you on the long run. You are keeping your freedom of speech that way !
Did you sanitize the dirt you use for basing? I've been looking for reliable sources on sterilizing things like Bark chips and was wondering how you handle it
5 of the people who haven't painted it? I'm one of the thousands that don't have the game XD still gonna watch, cause I need good zombie skin tutorials anyway
What was that ball of dried material that the tuffs were made from? I thought you called it seaweed, but could be mistaken. Is that just found or ordered someplace?
It actually annoyed me a little how many youtubers used Cursed city for speed painting since it's first time in a while, I've instantly wanted to paint minis not for my armies, but mainly also since these finally felt more grimdark 'n cooler then most bright edge highlighted space marine/stormcast, something quite different and all the models look great!
Thanks again for the great video, learning more everyday. Got my painting setup and finally started on some minis, now someone starts talking to me and all I'm thinking is volumes and highlights, how I would like to paint their forehead brighter or something. I think these zombies are highlighted from a general aerial light source rather than a specific light source coming in at a particular angle. Does the pose of the model affect this choice? time issues? As a beginner should I just try for a general top-down light?
strong directional lights are so flavor of the month. suddenly every miniature is a 2d canvas painting. If you want to, use it. it's your minis. but personally it bores me to pieces...
Yeah, sure. Just try to find what works for you. My thought behind using inks + contrast medium was to get the viscosity of the medium and the intensity of the inks.
Gibt es ein Video wo Du zeigst wie Du das "Leder" von dem z.B Oger machst, sprich braunes dunkles Leder auf schwarz grundiert? das sieht ziemlich genial aus würde ich gern für meine death Korps übernehmen ;) (nur wie?) :P Grüße
Hey, I know this is an old video, but maybe you will stumble upon this by chance. What ratios do you use for the contrast medium to inks? Mine keep turning out really saturated. I am using a different brand and I'm just trying to figure out if it's the inks or my ratios that are off. Anyway, awesome video, I love the end result and the very understandable explanation of the proces.:)
Could it be, you are actually german, too? I never recognized before. But you quoted a german youtube channel and what made me super suspicous, when you said Zombie. It sounded realy german :D
But why do the zombies have boards on their backs? I would guess the boards are remains of caskets, but that would meen they were burried face down, which is kind of odd
Another awesome video, can I ask does using the inks not leave the model shiny, I've had this problem before, what do you do to overcome this problem? Thanks
I'm one of the five, weeee! ..that? Oh, that's nothing. That totally isn't a 22 years of unpainted Warhammer stuff I'm hoarding. Nope...oh, will you look at the time! Gotta run!
Paints something far beyond my level - "okay, that was the basic stuff and if we want to go beyond tabletop standard...". Seems like that term has a different meaning in Austria, I'll make sure to stay on my side of the Alps and don't cross into a land full of madlads in their basements.
it's seaweed. really common in the mediterranean, best to make a friend in italy or greece and have them ship them to you, honestly. I brought mine from a vacation. you might maybe find them on etsy, or similar concept stores?
goobertown hobbys - I don't this ill even play this game. cute really efin cute yea they all had plans for making painting vids and then shelfed it as soon as they knew it was out of production
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16:00 "Tabletop-standard" my ass. Most people I know wouldn't touch the miniature in fear of ruining the paintjob... Do you know of an alternative to Citadel Contrast Medium? I use different kinds of flow-aids, acrylic medium etc. for my washes, but I've never tried Contrast Medium.
