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@@sorrydough How does lions change the fact that if Zhao healing wasn't broken he would have be killed by rats. The only thing that points to is the fact that CA are very slow to fix their game, if they don't abandon it. Which makes buying future Total War games difficult for me. The last one they actually fixed was Rome 2 every other has gotten the boot. TWWH being somewhat of exception but that probably has to do with it being cash cow or GW agreement. They don't fix things efficiently. Most of time patches are with content drop that break more things. Sorry went on a little tangent there.
maybe but his morale was really bad from the ranged attacks all the night runners needed was a few shanks and he would have routed anyway probably considering how much the skaven had on the point anyway
the lions are classed as monsters/beasts in the army-selecter while sentinels are under constructs so it seems intentional which makes it even stranger
Cathay dragons have separate healing caps for human and dragon form but it it’s really only relevant for Miao in campaign where she can easily healing cap her self twice
Well, in Campaign it's relevant for all of them becaus of how easily you can get them regen items, but in MP it's only relevant for Miao who has healing spells. Even then though, a lot of the time she was taken her magic was used for dragon's talons to delete elite infantry before it was nerfed.
A pair would be interesting, seeing as these lions are usually guarding entrances to temples and whatnot in pairs flanking the portal, plus theres no other TWWH unit that comes as a pair, except maybe Sisters of Twilight
The lions do pretty good in campaign, but there are a ton of buffs for them from lords/research and what not. (they actually make a viable early game doomstack) so i imagine if they are adjusted for MP it would be mostly a price decrease. They might just not be a good MP unit on the roster
Eh, they could easily gain some WS without much issue. Compared to monsters in their price range and 380 is a bit low, at least when looking at units which aren't crap (Tomb Scorpion says hi). I doubt a WS buff would meaningfully impact campaign balance.
CA's apathy towards the multiplayer scene has killed it for many like me sadly. Crazy to see the healing item being broken healing double, still going like it is.
More like apathy in general. Serious bugs nowadays seem to only get fixed during big patches. Just look for how long Nakai couldn't recruit Kroxigors in campaign. The Kroxigor LL couldn't get more Kroxigors than the ones in the starting army...
@@SunlessSage That's the result of how big the game has become - too many factions, too many interactions. You fix something and it breaks 10 others.... Hence why a specific bug is left for longer in the game. Debugging is 10 times harder than actually making new code. And when you have 3 games worth of faction/heroes/units interacting - well you gonna get bugs.
@@SunlessSage not only in Warhammer 3 even in Rome 2, they recently removed the multiplayer chat which completely killed the scene. Because of new UK law that forced moderation but it was cheaper to just shut it down
CA has always suffered from 'militant incompetence' - it has plagued them since Shogun 2 (matchlock bug that let them shoot through friendly units w/o friendly fire, to overpowered P2W shotgun infantry and cav)
I don't think Zhao Ming's missing HP cap in human form was a bug, it rather seems to be that he has two independent healing caps, which will inevitably lead to some shenanigans in 2v2 etc. Other than that, it's incredibly disheartening to see all of that lord snipe instantly go away the moment he got into dragon from that first time.
I thought that was known from how he gets regen in campaign? All Dragons have two hp bars and two healing caps unless that got changed since I last played Cathay.
Gotta love Cathay being unable to win because they can't afford to bring enough cap weight. Granted both these builds weren't optimized but both the 350 infantry and 400 cavalry having only 2 cap weight makes it extremely hard to take and hold points without an absurd unit advantage.
i know turin questioned some elements but @10:10 u can see why lions were just brought, so cathay could double alchemist for potency on Zmings double casting. wall and breath cleans the rat hordes.
Heroic noble showing from the Skaven, yes yes! If only the loyal warlord could have saved Ikit, at least he was there to take on the burden of leadership.
I hope the Empire Captain gets a "Second in Command" skill similar to "Power Grab" in the next dlc patch. Combined with a demigryph mount I think it would make them way more interesting to bring.
Zhao actually has an indipendent healing cap in either form so he basicly sits at 150% healing cap if im not mistaken. All the cathay legendary lords in fact but you will need to find a way to heal them in both forms. Greetings from germany
"Absolute shit-house units." I love Turin's color-play, and his analysis of the strategies... The Jade Lions weren't so bad. They hid in the trees at the start, and survived to the end. Their movement speed is phenomenal. They were like meteors. But, yes, the fact that they can be "terror-routed" is "face-palming". GG.
First time in my life have I rooted so hard for Skaven!! 🐀 Also, I guess that lord should be banned from any self respecting tournament if it’s a bugged ability, right?
It is mind boggling to me that Skaven players of all things are looking at some nasty cheese and deciding "No, I shan't." While you've got Cathay and Kislev being all gross with Crowmen and Ambusher RoRs, and Broken lords. So hilariously backwards.
Cathay dragon lords have two healing caps, one in human form, and one in dragon form. This doesn't matter because their only healing options are linked towards being in one of the forms. This would definitely cause issues if they ever get additional forms of healing though.
fun fact: the dragon lords have 2 healing caps, one for each form. I have a blast grabbing the regen sword in campaign and laughing all the way to the bank.
The reason his healing cap vanished is because transforming units have different healing caps for both modes, so his human mode healing cap is separate from dragon mode
Screw the broken hero, WHY can Cathay out-spamm the swarm faction such as Skaven? Each time you fight Cathay they have 2-3 times the amount of infantry you have. Is that China reference?
Obviously bugged abilities should be fixed - but how Zhao Ming is egregiously OP whereas some other lords/SEMs that score just as much or better damage value, are not?
Xiao ming with the magic intensity and healing item can literally solo the skaven army, if Cathay wasn't kinda shit at pushing would've been an easy victory with that value discrepancy
Every time I see zhao ming I just get tilted. Honestly not interested in seeing games with him until his item is fixed or disabled for competitive play. Its just like… another Cathay game, let’s watch the over powered glitch be overpowered and glitchy.
I feel like the lions never perform well, they lose most monster fights and can't kill infantry effectively because of their animations. Not sure what CA could do to make them viable
They do have some interesting utility, but they have too few charges on their abilities and are way too expensive. The Jade Lion can sit in the back and provide harmony and WoM recharge, then used as a heavy interceptor when something comes to try and disrupt your firing line(the breath is pretty good against hound-type units). The Jet Lion can support the frontline and shut down some of the opposing shooting with its ability. But they are just too expensive for such a niché role.
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Is it even confirmed to be a bug? As far as I know, all healing effects have an "immediate" tick on cast, and then another 1 second later. So if a healing effect has a duration of 1, it will heal the indicated value, twice. Their intended value might have been 32% total(in which case it should have been 16% value for 1 second), but the ability of itself works "correctly". The funny thing is, Ostankya has the opposite issue. Her healing value is extremely low(I think it heals little less than 2% in total for each unit affected), so it is more of a long duration(with long cooldown) stamina and leadership buff than actual healing.
