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Why was this Helios airways 737 silent for over 2 hours before crashing into the Greek countryside, killing all on board? And who was the mystery person spotted in the cockpit by the fighter pilots who intercepted the aircraft? Was this terrorism, or something else?
This episode explores a crash which had been waiting to happen for years. Thankfully, the recommendations made by the Greek Air Accident Investigation Board as a result of the crash have mostly been followed by the aviation industry since. To date, there has never been another accident of its kind (although at times, things have come close: www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-i...)
This video uses findings from the official accident report to recreate the series of events that led to the crash.
Background music all licensed through Epidemic Sound.
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All from official accident report, except this photo By Alan Lebeda - www.airliners.net/photo/Helios..., GFDL 1.2, commons.wikimedia.org/w/index...
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Helios 522 accident report (English translation): www.aaiu.ie/sites/default/file...
00:00 Intro
00:51 Boarding and takeoff
02:18 An alarm sounds
05:00 Fighters intercept
6:30 The Investigation
12:30 Who was in the cockpit?
14:20 Safety reccommendations

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@Incidental104
@Incidental104 Год назад
The thought of being that one person alone in a cockpit with no idea of what happened and how to land the plane sends chills up my spine... imagine being that person all alone while everyone is passed out and you can do nothing but wait until the plane crashes
@hxllside
@hxllside Год назад
I just don't understand how someone could be conscious after 2.5h but also not check on the pilots the whole time. He must have seen that all the passengers were passed out for hours. Did he fall unconscious and wake up again? Is that even possible?
@Matt-jp6if
@Matt-jp6if 11 месяцев назад
@@hxllsideI wonder if maybe as people began to die, there was less breathing and thus enough oxygen for someone who is capable of consciousness at low oxygen to regain it?
@chicken29843
@chicken29843 11 месяцев назад
​@@hxllsideI haven't watch the video yet but if hypoxia is the issue it probably means he wasn't able to think clearly or formulate a proper plan just due to the lack of oxygen in his brain, he was probably running himself in circles.
@chicken29843
@chicken29843 11 месяцев назад
​@@Matt-jp6ifhe probably just had a genetic quirk of some kind that allowed his brain to function with less oxygen or more efficiently or whatever. Much like how the best marathon runners have very special muscles for such a distances
@Matt-jp6if
@Matt-jp6if 11 месяцев назад
@@chicken29843 yeah, my question mainly came from it needing to be one hell of a difference if he lasted for so long when others didn’t. Surely if it was simply a quirk then he would have only lasted 30-40 minutes extra before also going out. Hence why I think maybe he needed less oxygen to be conscious from a genetic quirk, so then as people died there was enough oxygen for him to regain it.
@Carmy97
@Carmy97 Год назад
Im old aircrew and now I understand why the airlines subjected us to hypoxia at least twice in my career. We needed to understand and recognise. It was scary as we thought we were ok when in fact, we struggled to do simple things. I love your channel. It's brilliant. Thank you.
@Mark-uh4zd
@Mark-uh4zd Год назад
Crazy that most training and safety rules are written in blood. That’s good they made you do hypoxia training to know what the symptoms are.
@lumberfoot2004
@lumberfoot2004 11 месяцев назад
You didn't know why they subjected you to hypoxia until you watched this video? Didn't they tell you why you were exposed to it?
@HazyJ28
@HazyJ28 10 месяцев назад
that's horrifying.
@Goose9313
@Goose9313 10 месяцев назад
It doesn't matter if you understand and recognize. Your brain knows it must do something but it can't figure out what
@mvmishler
@mvmishler 9 месяцев назад
This is so crazy (hypoxia) and your comment puts it in clear perspective.
@lettuceman306
@lettuceman306 10 месяцев назад
The thought of, if that poor 25 year-old had been able to land the plane, every single person aboard besides him being reduced to a severely brain-damaged vegetable is honestly far more unsettling than the actual outcome. Imagine being the medical personnel in charge of removing them all from the plane.
@speedbird9313
@speedbird9313 10 месяцев назад
If he, or any of the other flight attendants had done what was logical this accident would never occured at all🤷🏻‍♂️
@timpost2981
@timpost2981 8 месяцев назад
@@speedbird9313Terrible take on this
@speedbird9313
@speedbird9313 8 месяцев назад
@@timpost2981 Sad but true
@ChanceWilkinsTwin
@ChanceWilkinsTwin 3 месяца назад
Accidents happen that's life ask your mom you were her accident ​@@speedbird9313
@speedbird9313
@speedbird9313 3 месяца назад
@@somiy4 The Allied Signal FDR used on this aircraft has a 50 hour recording capacity, so you mean the Fairchild CVR😉 You can determine a few thing by way of elimination. If the cabin crew contacted the flight deck the pilots would have reacted since they didnt know the passenger oxygen masks were down🤷🏻‍♂️"Everyone was experiencing mild hypoxia before the masks even dropped"?! Why are you lying? So aircraft design engineers will set the altitude for an automatic mask drop after hypoxia normally occurs?! Are you mental?!🤦🏻‍♂️ I find having an opinion about something when being as clueless as you is disrespectful. The flight crew did NOT show any sign of hypoxia when the cabin altitude warning sounded.
@rethablair6902
@rethablair6902 2 года назад
God Bless that poor soul who had to witness his approaching demise alone😞😓😭
@azugirl111
@azugirl111 2 года назад
He was probably like only halfway conscious to be fair
@rethablair6902
@rethablair6902 2 года назад
@@azugirl111 i wish i could believe so but he tried to fly the plane which implies he was lucid enough to know the situation😓😥
@rethablair6902
@rethablair6902 2 года назад
@Ali Al-Mahdi i can't imagine the hopelessness he must've felt😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
@thearmchairspacemanOG
@thearmchairspacemanOG 2 года назад
lol. your ''God'' allowed that poor soul to suffer horrendously before his demise.
@bobgillis1137
@bobgillis1137 Год назад
That came to mind for me as well. What a lonely way to die. At least he died trying to land the doomed thing.
@Sazandora123
@Sazandora123 2 года назад
I remember this case from Mayday, it's my favorite episode from the series simply due to how unbelievable the whole incident is.
@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation 2 года назад
It really is appalling how preventable this was. And while pressurisation issues are now less frequent, this kind of thing hasn't stopped: www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-45584300
@ZombieSazza
@ZombieSazza Год назад
@@GreenDotAviation Jesus Christ, even after everything that’s happened in the past, that somehow happened in 2018, that’s terrifying
@SpeculativeConjecture
@SpeculativeConjecture 8 месяцев назад
This one always gets me, the fact that if in some miracle the flight attendant had landed the plane, that all the passengers would have been inured beyond repair is not a thought I like to think of
@kelvinlee8188
@kelvinlee8188 2 года назад
All aviation accidents are a tragedy but the lessons learned from them save many others. RIP to all those onboard Helios 522.
@moreel5098
@moreel5098 Год назад
The fighter jets seeing a mysterious man in the cockpit not noticing them or worse purposefully ignoring them is absolutely traumatizing, to top all off it slowly Dawned on the Jet pilots that this entire plane is gonna crash killing every person on it
@koharumi1
@koharumi1 2 месяца назад
He did notice them
@darius89ify
@darius89ify 2 года назад
This must be the third or fourth video of yours I have watched and they have all been very well made. I would not be surprised if your channel starts to grow very rapidly soon. All the best wishes for your channel.
@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation 2 года назад
Thank you very much :)
@ArtCurator2020
@ArtCurator2020 Год назад
What's the difference whether his channel "grows" or not ? It's a Great Channel anyway. There are YT channels with 100K subscribers that are PURE Click Bait. A large following on YT may just mean that your channel is a Social Magnet for MORONS. Most Americans are too "dumbed down" by Public School Education to even appreciate a technical channel like this one. This channel assumes that the viewer has a Functional Brain, which is a pretty high bar for most YT visitors. to reach.
@Player-fg4ub
@Player-fg4ub 2 месяца назад
Thanks :) I apperciate your feedback
@awright119021
@awright119021 Год назад
I can't imagine the terror that last person felt. It seems like it would be better to be unconscious at that point if there's nothing you can do. I wonder if he took the oxygen mask off when he knew it was going down. I would've went to the back, buckled up and let myself pass out.
@LPCLASSICAL
@LPCLASSICAL Год назад
at least he had the opportunity to think about those he had loved in his life. The others may have believed they were going to survive and just drifted off - never to wake again.
@citizensnips3850
@citizensnips3850 10 месяцев назад
​@LPCLASSICAL I feel like that would be WAAAAY better than waking up knowing full well you are about to die.
@AbhishekSanyalTGV
@AbhishekSanyalTGV 10 месяцев назад
​@@citizensnips3850Well, honestly, when the oxygen masks drop, you usually know full well that death is imminent.
@tomorrowisanotherday12
@tomorrowisanotherday12 8 месяцев назад
Some reports say that he wasn't alone. His girlfriend, who was also a flight attendant on that plane, was somewhere around in the cockpit with him in the end
@josephconnor2310
@josephconnor2310 2 года назад
This crash has always haunted me. Your presentation is top-notch. I hope your channel grows!
@takers786
@takers786 Год назад
Yes it’s haunting because of that 1 passenger, I felt so bad, poor guy. I wish he had just fainted like the rest
@GuranPurin
@GuranPurin 4 месяца назад
This one is heartbreaking. Andreas is a way stronger person than me. Maybe he felt some obligation to at least try to save the plane because he had a pilot license and was a flight attendant. If I were in his position, I would have just let the hypoxia overtake me and just go down not knowing what was about to happen. I did read he managed to turn the plane away from Athens while it was in the air, which must have been why he pointed down after the plane banked left when the fighter jet pilot tried to get his attention. I believe he fully knew that the plane was going to crash and that he would rather it happen away from the city to keep the death toll from being even higher. If that's the case, he is a true hero.
@speedbird9313
@speedbird9313 4 месяца назад
Sorry to tell you, but that last part is only found in wikipedia and youtube videoes😕 You should read the official accident report. The aircraft banked left after engine #1 flamed out.
@ajs41
@ajs41 2 месяца назад
Hypoxia isn't something anyone can fight against. It doesn't depend on how much will power you have.
@eXJonSnow
@eXJonSnow 2 месяца назад
“I would have just let the hypoxia over take me” Lmaoooooooo 😂😂😂
@ItsRawdraft2
@ItsRawdraft2 Год назад
Greek here, if you listen to the footage from the intercept you'll hear the controller of the F16s vector in a second pair on intercept course because the plane was heading into a residential area. Patriot batteries were also on standby. The intercepted got called off after the plane veered off into Grammatiko and final heading was confirmed. The footage from the second F16, which was behind and to the left of the plane has not been released.
@DarkLumiya
@DarkLumiya 5 месяцев назад
Had a friends on this flight, a family of 4. Husband, wife and their two sons 17 and 12. They were going on holiday to celebrate the younger son was going to start high school come September. Also have acquaintances who were flight attendants that worked on this plane and reported multiple issues with the air conditioning, cabin pressure and other electrical problems that were consistently ignored. I remember the day this happened, the whole island was in such shock, we didn't know for hours what had happened, if it was another terrorist attack like 9/11 and if anyone had survived, there were false reports of shepherds in the area saving some passengers but obviously later in the day it was revealed that everyone had perished. The bodies were so burnt it took months to identify them via DNA analysis volunteered by surviving family members.
@kylosun
@kylosun Год назад
I was in Cyprus at the time this happened. This was utterly traumatising for everybody on the island.
@TheJoStephan
@TheJoStephan Год назад
Your videos are truly exceptional, because it’s concise, and very well researched. It’s not like most other air crash videos - sensational, longwinded, overly dramatic and overly technical. You really have created the best possible air crash analysis videos!!
@CAROLUSPRIMA
@CAROLUSPRIMA 2 года назад
Having seen I do believe every aviation video and program covering this crash, I held off on watching this one because I was rather certain that there was nothing left for me to learn. I was wrong. Superb job!
@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation 2 года назад
Thanks! :)
@xonx209
@xonx209 2 года назад
It's very stupid for an airplane to sound a warning but not clearly indicate what it is warning about.
@annnee6818
@annnee6818 Год назад
Apparently the warning sounds were different but they mistook it for the more common sound and didn't listen to the engineer who asked them to check the pressure. There were tons of opportunities to prevent thid
@france.449
@france.449 Год назад
@@annnee6818 yeah, they did not listen to the engineer to check the pressure if they're not set to auto. 3:15
@glareicebutts1423
@glareicebutts1423 2 месяца назад
@@france.449likely hypoxic
@AstralVibez
@AstralVibez 11 месяцев назад
The only story so far to shake me this much at the thought of it. Hearing the moment they went dark i tied it to oxygen related. Cant imagine the stress of the one guy as well. Sounded like the maintenance guy over comms as well realized exactly what was happening just before the plane went silent and barely missed the chance to tell them to switch it to auto
@shaytan3796
@shaytan3796 Год назад
These videos are so addictive. Nicely explained in a very calming voice. I love them. A very well done job. 👏👏
@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation Год назад
Thank you!
@wassollderscheiss33
@wassollderscheiss33 2 года назад
This was as chilling as it was interesting. Well done!
@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation 2 года назад
Thank you!
@anto687
@anto687 2 года назад
I've heard the story of Helios 522 before but I was glad to listen to it again here, and it was really well told like all of your videos
@revinot
@revinot Год назад
Wow these videos are so well made, sad about the crash but the fact that switches and dials can cause so much loss
@elliotoliver8679
@elliotoliver8679 2 года назад
Excellent re-creation!
@lardyman2
@lardyman2 4 месяца назад
What's scary about this to me as I used to visit family in Cyprus most summers and flew with Helios many times, they only ever owned 3 aircraft and it's very likely that I have at some point been in this very aircraft, my grandmother had flew with Helios from Larnaca to Athens a week prior on this very aircraft. It's the closest I have ever been to a disaster like this.
@CocoaBeachLiving
@CocoaBeachLiving 2 года назад
This is a tragic story. Well presented sir.
@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation 2 года назад
Thank you sir
@djaneczko4
@djaneczko4 2 года назад
Again, great job!
@bluecoffee8414
@bluecoffee8414 2 года назад
Great review of this tragedy! And with interesting parts of the story I never heard before. Thanks
@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation 2 года назад
Thanks, I always try to dig a bit deeper into these accidents.
@bobgillis1137
@bobgillis1137 Год назад
Excellent video. I was not familiar with this incident. Very haunting, in that the tragedy could have so easily been averted. Especially considering, as the author says, dozens of similar situations occurred in the industry before this crash forced them to address the problem. Somehow, the more preventable the accident, the sadder it feels.
@roberttucker1527
@roberttucker1527 2 года назад
Extremely good videos. You're gonna be huge
@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation 2 года назад
Thank you!
@sathishmurali1292
@sathishmurali1292 2 года назад
This crash is quite a famous crash and I had seen it in 2 RU-vid channels.. but I liked the way you coaxed or dragged me into watching the video by using a title is ghosts in control ... That was epic 🔥🔥.A subscriber just for the title mate good luck ...
@ptroinks
@ptroinks Год назад
I love your videos, narration and accent :D!
@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation Год назад
Thank you! 😃
@isabelibarra415
@isabelibarra415 2 года назад
Thank you for sharing please I’d love to see more videos like these
@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation 2 года назад
More to come!
@isabelibarra415
@isabelibarra415 2 года назад
Yes the gentleman is correct I personally just came across ur page ! 😁 I’m sure ur page will soon take off as fast as the planes 🤔😁
@pillettadoinswartsh4974
@pillettadoinswartsh4974 2 года назад
That poor Engineer. Jeez.
@rethablair6902
@rethablair6902 2 года назад
Breaks my heart too😰💔😭
@ajinkyamehere5365
@ajinkyamehere5365 2 года назад
Yeah, to know that his one small mistake might be the cause of so many lives lost. Oh, the amount of regret he must live with everyday! I can't even imagine..
@manyshnooks
@manyshnooks 2 года назад
Not wholly the guys fault, although checklist items are often "checked" without actually verifying due to expectation bias (that switch has never been in position MAN/TEST/SBY, therefore I expect to see it in AUTO).
@troodon1096
@troodon1096 2 года назад
@@manyshnooks Complacency on checklists is unfortunately a very common cause of incidents; they get so used to nothing being out of the ordinary that they just read the checklist items without actually checking what the checklist tells them to check; they just assume it's OK without actually looking.
@ninelaivz4334
@ninelaivz4334 Год назад
The engineer told them to check that the pressurisation is switched to auto. That might give him some peace of mind but then again if it dwells in his mind that hypoxia had already set in, then that won't help. But then again the pilot missed four prior opportunities to see the problem.
@joedillon159
@joedillon159 2 года назад
Great video!
@CubicSpline7713
@CubicSpline7713 Год назад
This crash happened in 2005, but following 9/11 it was mandated (around 2003) that all aircraft should have reinforced and lockable cockpit doors. So how did a cabin crew member gain access to the cockpit? Or did this mandate not apply to Helios at the time?
@moalboris239
@moalboris239 Год назад
Aircraft cabin crew know the passwords to open the cabin doors. The pilots can nullify that if they know there is say a terrorist on the plane. But in this case there is no one active so the cabin guy most likely just used the keycode.
@katkenobi6765
@katkenobi6765 Год назад
Was this crash a murder/suicide? I swear I read or heard somewhere that this was because there was something to do with murder/suicide.
@JA01WJ
@JA01WJ Год назад
​@@katkenobi6765 Last time I checked, no. It is a Flight Attendant that entered the cockpit. Highly likely confused about what the hell just happened. Also, if it was that kind of situation, what should've been heard from the CVR would either be gunshots, or something that the pilots would be doing, and/or communicating to the tower before being unconscious. But to what I know, a mayday was called before they went unconscious.
@wikkidfury
@wikkidfury Год назад
🧑‍✈️It was flight attendant Andreas Prodromou that entered the cockpit and tried to fly the plane. At the time, he had gotten or was in training to acquire his pilot license and could fly, but not that actual plane. His girlfriend was on board with him and when he didn't get a response from the cockpit (assumed bcuz of his training as an FA) and saw the oxygen masks had deployed, he KNEW something bad was wrong with the pilots. He remembered that there were oxygen masks stored on board in a cabinet and used them to keep himself and his girlfriend from passing out. All 4 were found in the wreckage used and they lasted up to an hour. When he knew he couldn't save everyone, he went to the cockpit himself to try to land. He was still suffering from hypoxia himself but it was too late. The plane had run out of fuel. He tried to guide the plane AWAY from large populated areas since he KNEW they were going to crash. He is a TRUE hero!!! The pilots were suffering from hypoxia as well when the controller asked if the switch was in the correct position--and they asked the same question about the control panel. The REAL fault of this crash lands on the mechanic that did the pressurization test and didn't adjust the switch BACK in the PROPPER position. Criminal charges were brought against him in the end of the investigation. He appealed it (of course!). It's HARD to fathom that a simple switch caused this crash. How messed up is that?!?🤦 R.I.P ANDREAS PRODROMOU AND THE REST OF HELIOS FLIGHT 522..🙏💔🧑‍✈️✈️
@stephanos2758
@stephanos2758 Год назад
@@wikkidfury of course the mechanic is used as a scapegoat.. was it his fault? to an extend yes. was it the pilots fault for not doing the damn checklists?? pretty much. but you can't put in jail a dead person to ease the pain of the families...
@evanm8282
@evanm8282 2 года назад
Well I’ve watched all your vids now, more please 😆
@StellaMurano
@StellaMurano Год назад
This one always hits me so hard.. RIP to all people on board.
@alaaalahmad3069
@alaaalahmad3069 Год назад
For some reason this video brought me to tears.
@mambagr
@mambagr 2 года назад
Manual press mode is not off as you say. Manual is manual and can control press by crew positioning the outflow valve. Aircraft crashed a bit to the north of my home. A sad day.
@Piankhi_the_Greater
@Piankhi_the_Greater Год назад
Here, have a virtual hug. 🤗
@kalkuttadrop6371
@kalkuttadrop6371 Год назад
11:15 This is probably why, despite the conditions for a ghost flight accident existing for decades, this sort of thing was a rare occurence. Pre-9/11 Flight Attendents could have easily alerted the pilots to the situation in the cabin
@speedbird9313
@speedbird9313 Год назад
They could still easily alert the pilots with the interphone system..
@Hello__________
@Hello__________ Год назад
I watch you nearly every time now that I have found this channel I think Monday
@monkchips
@monkchips 9 месяцев назад
This accident is a bit crushing as, if that lone aircrew member had had another half hour or an hour, at least it would be a fighting chance. I've been "popped" when I was doing my SCUBA training and it is very disturbing and scary when you think it can happen in a danger situation.
@speedbird9313
@speedbird9313 8 месяцев назад
He entered the cockpit after nearly three hours, so he kind of did.
@cobaingrohlnovo
@cobaingrohlnovo Год назад
I love your vids man
@stephanos2758
@stephanos2758 Год назад
my neighbours were on that flight. nice people, beautiful couple. Also keep in mind that the plane, landed smoothly by the efforts of Andreas Prodromou on the hill but crashed uncontrolably on the next hill. One of the F16 pilots contacted Andreas father, reassurred him that they did not took down the plane, and that he must be proud of his son, who did everything he could to save the plane knowing how little his chances were.
@johnstedman4075
@johnstedman4075 Год назад
Andreas Prodromou had received over 200 hours of Flying Instruction and held a Commercial Aviation Licence. Therefore, he would have been sufficiently aware of the tuning and use of Radios, of the correct procedures following an Explosive Decompression at altitude, of the protocols for landing an aircraft in principle, of the need to keep himself adequately supplied with oxygen until the 737 had descended to 8,000 feet AMSL, and the priorities which must be set to ensure the maximum chance of survival for all the souls aboard. Instead, he appears to have done nothing of value whatsoever. A sad, preventable Mishap which none of those involved had the intelligence to mitigate or avert.
@stephanos2758
@stephanos2758 Год назад
@@johnstedman4075 you sound like those dumb guys who never experienced a real danger in their life and still talking how would they manage to overcome the situation. If you think 200 hours are enough for someone to act like they are flying for ages then you know nothing of the real world
@johnstedman4075
@johnstedman4075 Год назад
Your comment is preposterous and does not merit any detailed reply.
@riva2003
@riva2003 5 месяцев назад
@@johnstedman4075 This chair pilot thinks he could have done better. Right...
@slashnagy6
@slashnagy6 Год назад
A common theme for a majority of these videos is gross negligence and lack of oversight
@katykross
@katykross 2 года назад
Good retelling …. Just found you.. have subbed
@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation 2 года назад
Thanks!
@Stewi1014
@Stewi1014 5 месяцев назад
The story of this flight remains the most sorrowful aviation story I've ever heard. Andreas was fighting for hours against his own mind under hypoxia, yet he still managed to maneuver the aircraft away from densely populated areas before the crash. If he had more time - if he reached the cockpit sooner... He was a flight attendant on the path to becoming a big jet pilot. I'm certain that if circumstances had given him just slightly more opportunity he would have saved the aircraft, and perhaps many or all onboard.
@speedbird9313
@speedbird9313 4 месяца назад
No, he didnt😕 You should stop searching wikipedia for facts and read the official accident report.
@SuperpowerBroadcasting
@SuperpowerBroadcasting Год назад
I remember watching the MayDay episode of this disaster. What a surreal event
@josephconnor2310
@josephconnor2310 Год назад
One of the saddest. The lonely man in the cockpit. Checklists are there for a reason.
@MASTERSOT
@MASTERSOT 2 месяца назад
I was only 9 years old when this happened but I remember how big topic this was then on television and in the news, of course I was still young enough to understand the seriousness of the incident but especially as an adult it is scary how such smalls oversights can cause such tragedies
@chainedlupine
@chainedlupine 11 месяцев назад
This is bad. One of the worse accidents, IMHO. Someone trapped on a Flying Dutchman, knowing they were doomed. And after all hope had been given up, takes that extra effort to make sure that no other lives were lost by ditching the plane in uninhabited territory. Empathy and horror run deep on this one.
@PavanKumar-fy6fq
@PavanKumar-fy6fq 2 года назад
Wow! A ghost plane indeed.
@kuntface5
@kuntface5 2 года назад
This is a crazy story
@rinserepeat4889
@rinserepeat4889 29 дней назад
This one is truly sad. Cant even imagine the stress levels poor Andreas felt.
@noconsent
@noconsent 2 месяца назад
Wild that it took until 2005 for something like this to happen. And it's good the only other times it has happened, both previous to this incident, and after, have been on smaller jets. Definitely seems like something that should have been sorted out in the decades prior though.
@speedbird9313
@speedbird9313 2 месяца назад
There were previous incidents on 737s, but they figured it out at either the cabin altitude warning or the passenger oxygen mask drop.
@wolvetica
@wolvetica 2 месяца назад
i remember watching this on Aircrash investigations, good to know the name of the guy who flew it after all these years
@sukisuzuki10
@sukisuzuki10 Год назад
That poor lonely soul
@mariosgameplay8373
@mariosgameplay8373 Год назад
My dad had recently retired from being in the air force as an ATC and he told me that the flight should have been shot down over the sea long before it ever reached Athens but the ministry of interior hesitated to shot the aircraft down in fear of the backlash from the public
@speedbird9313
@speedbird9313 Год назад
Your dad obviously hadnt done much research on this accident🤷🏻‍♂️
@CZPC
@CZPC 2 месяца назад
When someone really is good at using squares. They tend to make circle holes into square holes.
@mariosgameplay8373
@mariosgameplay8373 2 месяца назад
@@speedbird9313 right and you say that's because? You know more about this particular accident ? I doubt it mate ! My dad was in the air force for 30 years . Think before you speak.
@mariosgameplay8373
@mariosgameplay8373 2 месяца назад
@@CZPC well what can you expect ?
@speedbird9313
@speedbird9313 2 месяца назад
@@mariosgameplay8373 So your dad knows much about this particular accident because he was in the air force for 30 years?! 😆😂 Fantastic🤪 So he was in the Hellenic Air Force then?
@VetteWay2Fast
@VetteWay2Fast Год назад
Great videos! Been binge watching a few the past couple hours. Maybe I missed in the video, but was there no oxygen sensor inside the cockpit to warn of lowering oxygen levels? Basically the first warning well before the masks will drop?
@speedbird9313
@speedbird9313 Год назад
There is a cabin altitude warning that did go off at 10000ft cabin altitude, like it should.
@tomstravels520
@tomstravels520 11 месяцев назад
The cabin altitude warning was mistook for the take off config warnings as they are the same alarm and reportedly there was no light on the dash to show this. If they looked up they’d see the pressure indicator but they were convinced it was takeoff as they probably heard that more than cabin altitude warning
@ninelaivz4334
@ninelaivz4334 Год назад
My auntie flew on this plane from Heathrow. She said that they froze on that trip. I don't know if that is related to this tragedy.
@johnstedman4075
@johnstedman4075 Год назад
It was probably a harbinger of things to come. That particular Aircraft had a history of pressurisation problems and Helios Airways had a poor reputation for safety. It was clear that they had employed below-standard pilots and were cutting corners by not investigating airframe faults thoroughly and not conducting sufficient oversight of their Maintenance Staff. The airline rapidly disappeared following the Grammatiko Mishap, but there are still quite a few low-cost operators in that part of the world whose safety standards are below par.
@AlexDogwalker1234
@AlexDogwalker1234 11 месяцев назад
All your videos need at least 5M views each.
@ItzLordeYT
@ItzLordeYT 2 месяца назад
So basically Boeing has been having quality control issues for a very long time
@speedbird9313
@speedbird9313 2 месяца назад
And how is this a Boeing quality control issue?🤔
@speedbird9313
@speedbird9313 2 месяца назад
@@lIlIlIlIlIlIIIIIIII Gonna repeat myself🤷🏻‍♂️ So, how is this a Boeing quality control problem?
@lIlIlIlIlIlIIIIIIII
@lIlIlIlIlIlIIIIIIII 2 месяца назад
@@speedbird9313 Awh his poor useless brain can’t think of an answer. Hahahahahaha!
@speedbird9313
@speedbird9313 2 месяца назад
@@lIlIlIlIlIlIIIIIIII Not to bright are you?😆Hard to answer when there isnt any question..Your the one who isnt able to answer a question🤦🏻‍♂️
@lIlIlIlIlIlIIIIIIII
@lIlIlIlIlIlIIIIIIII 2 месяца назад
@@speedbird9313 Your initial question wasn’t directed towards me, it was towards the op. Not too bright are you little bubba? Try again little guy. Use that tiny brain again..
@knowethjc29
@knowethjc29 Год назад
That's sad, the weight on that dudes shoulders must've been so heavy
@Bob.martens
@Bob.martens 2 года назад
Just always and religiously check that list called 'CHECKLIST'. You will not regret it.
@Bob.martens
@Bob.martens 2 года назад
Pilot error, basically...
@k9policexj
@k9policexj Год назад
As a diver, I've experienced nitrogen narcosis... A sense of euphoria can get you into serious trouble.
@MUFC1933
@MUFC1933 2 года назад
Subbed 👏 👍
@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation 2 года назад
Welcome! 🟢✈️🎉
@Ugly_German_Truths
@Ugly_German_Truths 4 месяца назад
I think your model showed the wrong cabin pressure panel. 3 Greens mentioned that they had used the same setup you use too in an earlier video, but when re recording they had discovered that the actual accident plane used a digital panel that looks differently... e.g. it has only three settings and not 5 or 6 like this selection knob...
@millomweb
@millomweb 2 года назад
I find it strange that all that's recommended by crash investigators is tame. A simple reliable fix would be that if the cabin pressure control is NOT set to auto, then the plane should be prevented from climbing above 10,000ft.
@henryptung
@henryptung 2 года назад
Also seems like oxygen should have its own alarm and should override most other alarms (or at least sound alongside), as an analogue to oxygen mask deployment in the passenger cabin (unambiguous and in-your-face).
@millomweb
@millomweb 2 года назад
@@henryptung It makes me wonder how the heck they remember to fit the wings !
@spencergraham-thille9896
@spencergraham-thille9896 Год назад
Or should not be set to manual in any flying condition.
@tarnvedra9952
@tarnvedra9952 10 месяцев назад
@@henryptung Exactly, massive design flaw by Boeing was the root cause. "Beep beep OXYGEN, beep beep OXYGEN!" That isn´t that hard, is it.
@2760ade
@2760ade 2 месяца назад
I don't even understand why a 'manual' setting would even be necessary! Asking for trouble surely!!
@Daniel_Anthony
@Daniel_Anthony Год назад
That's so sad the one guy used 3 oxygen bottles staying alive and he must've broken the door down because those doors are solid and always locked aren't they to prevent terrorism
@speedbird9313
@speedbird9313 Год назад
Nope, if it was locked he wouldnt have gotten in☝🏻 The door locking system was in the auto position or the door was open (or slightly opened).
@samomuransky4455
@samomuransky4455 Год назад
The way it works is that cabin crew has a code to open door. Once they enter it, flight crew is notified and has a few seconds to override it (in case they suspect an attempt to breach cockpit). If they don't, the door unlocks. Since he was a FA and pilots were unconscious, he could easily get in.
@Vinlyguyx420x
@Vinlyguyx420x 2 года назад
Creepy and disturbing
@TheMaster_Builder
@TheMaster_Builder 3 месяца назад
I think he learnt based on his recent videos that people dont like to know whether or not it crashed until the end. Telling me at the start just puts me off
@YanestraAgain
@YanestraAgain 3 месяца назад
In 2005, a 1GB USB stick would cost about 100 bucks which would have let you store about 100 hours of voice record. But this black box was at the very end with 30 minutes.
@speedbird9313
@speedbird9313 3 месяца назад
Was at the very end? It only recorded the last 30 mins regardless..
@rickrudd
@rickrudd 2 года назад
If he was a pilot, knew that everyone was passed out, AND had an O2 bottle, why in the heck didn't he push the yoke forward and take it down to 10,000'?
@jasminda2401
@jasminda2401 2 года назад
At that point, I think the pilots were probably dead so taking it to 10000 ft wouldn't have helped much. He wouldn't have known how to land a plane like that.
@bobgillis1137
@bobgillis1137 Год назад
Ran out of fuel.
@edddie7563
@edddie7563 Год назад
@@jasminda2401 he was a real g, pointing down as the last joke of his life
@Th3Kingism
@Th3Kingism 10 месяцев назад
By that time, everyone on board had been hypoxic for at least 2 hours. More than enough time to cause severe brain damage. Even if he had managed this AND managed to land the plane there's almost no chance anyone on that plane would've survived and likely been pronounced dead the scene or shortly after getting to a hospital.
@HarryFlashmanVC
@HarryFlashmanVC 8 месяцев назад
Quite possible he was also hypoxic, throws your reason all over the place.
@giaparmer
@giaparmer 2 месяца назад
How come there’s a manual setting for the pressurization?
@speedbird9313
@speedbird9313 2 месяца назад
Because all on ground troubleshooting, testing and fault confirmation is performed in the manual setting. Otherwise you cant pressurize the aircraft on ground. It is also for the possiblity for unpressurized flights, and works as an in-flight redundancy if both CPCs should fail.
@desdicadoric
@desdicadoric 2 месяца назад
What a crazy story, that gentleman was a real warrior. He almost made it
@boeingdriver29
@boeingdriver29 15 дней назад
The fact that the crew incorrectly identified the warning horn is unforgivable. That horn can only have 1 meaning inflight and every crew member should be very much aware of this.
@Rickyvelesco
@Rickyvelesco 10 месяцев назад
Great videos but I would appreciate if you could talk a lil bit louder
@irrellevents
@irrellevents 5 месяцев назад
Clearly those 2 alarm tones shouldn't be the same
@alextheboatguy399
@alextheboatguy399 Год назад
This happened in my home city and most people this very well
@nickyp2820
@nickyp2820 Год назад
"the person in the captain's seat responded with a hand motion" and "the F16 pilot responded with a hand signal to follow him on down to the airport" and "the person in the captain's seat pointed downwards" (i think to show his intent which was to try to land the plane) but he did NOT follow the F16. Either he didn't understand the F16 pilot's hand signal to follow or he couldn't navigate the plane to follow him. I wonder which one it was.
@Pinkmen-ho3fz
@Pinkmen-ho3fz 7 дней назад
Tonight I’m posting my Helios 522 video but when the captain repeated his question about the circuit breakers to the mechanic that’s a sign of hypoxia setting in
@sleazymeezy
@sleazymeezy Год назад
0:55 my guess is a loss of pressure in the cabin and everyone passed out
@speedbird9313
@speedbird9313 Год назад
Slightly incorrect..not "loss of", but "lack of".
@thegrimreaper1991
@thegrimreaper1991 10 месяцев назад
I remember when this happened.
@ZenioDovgj
@ZenioDovgj Месяц назад
Why there is no display with clear description of active warnings?
@speedbird9313
@speedbird9313 Месяц назад
Because the 737CL is old🤷🏻‍♂️
@petersmith8134
@petersmith8134 10 месяцев назад
Manual should be set with a key and warning strip. Like a manual override setting. Then it will remain on auto for the flight.
@speedbird9313
@speedbird9313 10 месяцев назад
Not a good idea if the pilots needs to use the manual position during flight if both CPCs should fail..
@petersmith8134
@petersmith8134 10 месяцев назад
@@speedbird9313 Wasn't it on manual?
@speedbird9313
@speedbird9313 10 месяцев назад
@@petersmith8134 Yep, but thats not the point..
@france.449
@france.449 Год назад
3:15 they did not listen huhu
@DougGrinbergs
@DougGrinbergs 5 месяцев назад
14:23 post-investigation safety recommendations
@archimidiz
@archimidiz 10 месяцев назад
How is the plane even able to fly with such important settings turned off? Shouldn't there be some sort of automatic check that disables the airplane if such vital settings aren't active?
@speedbird9313
@speedbird9313 10 месяцев назад
Its a manual setting, so it wasnt turned off.
@cartmanuser
@cartmanuser 2 месяца назад
i'm more so suprised about the fact that the autopilot managed to get all the way to athens by itself
@zacharybauer7398
@zacharybauer7398 2 месяца назад
I think the most surprising part of this is that the pressurization set to manual doesn’t cause a takeoff configuration warning
@KaladinVegapunk
@KaladinVegapunk 2 месяца назад
Honestly, like 95% of these incidents, it almost always comes down to Boeing being super sketchy, cheap, cost cutting douchebags. Glad its coming out more and more publicly now with the recent incidents
@KaladinVegapunk
@KaladinVegapunk 2 месяца назад
Seriously though I just dont get why having no pressure and O2 isnt a MASSIVE blinking light instead of just one small icon blending in with 20 others haha.. should be absolutely unavoidable
@speedbird9313
@speedbird9313 2 месяца назад
It is a good idea, think one of the reason is that takeoff config are sort of mechanical type settings, and the press. mode selector isnt.
@Sodden316
@Sodden316 2 года назад
wow
@harveysmith100
@harveysmith100 4 месяца назад
I did my ground school with the Captains son. A lovely guy but, well he was a bit maverick, super bright, missed lessons, didn't study that hard and walked through every exam getting good marks. They said he was just like his dad. Being super bright can be dangerous in the cockpit. The Captain was probable a really capable pilot but the records show, F/O's didn't like flying with him. You can be the best pilot in the world but without oxygen you are nothing. The ground engineer nearly saved his life but he didn't listen. Hubris ran deep. As for the valiant attempt by the steward, he was a button press away from possible surviving. He just either forgot to press the button or more likely pressed the wrong button. Flight sim was still new back then, now any kid doing his CPL will have flown a 737 or similar at home and would know how to find ALT and dial in 10'000ft. I really feel for him, if he had managed to contact ATC they could have got him to the runway and a possible autoland. One further point. When I was cabin crew in England, after a decompression, it was grab a mask and sit down. (on a passengers lap if necessary.) When it was safe to do so, go monkey fashion, swinging from mask to mask until you reached crew portable oxygen. Once on portable, check your colleagues down the back and make sure the pilots are OK. You should know they were OK as you would feel the aircraft roll right and start a rapid decent. Next time you travel on a plane. Give the crew some respect, some of them are pilots too and even if they aren't, they are fire fighters, medics, councillors and anything else that flight throws at them.
@speedbird9313
@speedbird9313 3 месяца назад
The flight attendant wouldnt have known which button to press (or turn in this instance).
@harveysmith100
@harveysmith100 3 месяца назад
@@speedbird9313 He had a commercial pilot licence. He would know to press the PTT button but may have mistakenly pressed something else. Had he have got through to ATC they could have guided him through the Auto Pilot
@speedbird9313
@speedbird9313 3 месяца назад
@@harveysmith100 Thought you meant the press mode selector🙄 But he wouldnt know where the PPT button would be on a B737 either, and by the time he entered the cockpit it would probably be too late anyways.
@harveysmith100
@harveysmith100 3 месяца назад
@@speedbird9313 It would have been too late for everyone else but he could have saved himself. I do wonder if his portable oxygen had run out and he was going hypoxic. He would have known the PTT was on the yoke but not which button. My sadness from experience down the back and up front was why didn't he or another cabin crew get into the flight deck sooner. We were trained to get onto portable Oxy as soon as is safe to do so, the clue is in the name. "Portable." You are then free to move around normally, assist others and check the pilots. The masks would have dropped as the aircraft passed 14'000ft, had he got to the cockpit before 25'000ft he could have saved them. All cabin crew are trained to use and fit the pilot oxygen masks onto incapacitated pilots
@speedbird9313
@speedbird9313 3 месяца назад
@@harveysmith100 I know..🙄 But why would he had known the PTT was on the yoke? Is that the location on the single propeller aircraft on his CPL type rating?🤔 If he knew it was on the yoke, he would have found it, not a lot of switches or buttons on the yoke😉 You are free to move around now, but in 2005 at Helios they had the older and bigger version, not that portable really. I too find it really strange that the chief flight attendant at the fwd station didnt call, and then enter the flight deck a few minutes after the mask drop🙄🤔
@user-we6ey4lo9x
@user-we6ey4lo9x 11 месяцев назад
Music at 0:51?
@flotiggy
@flotiggy Год назад
Why on earth are there two settings for cabin pressure? Close the doors, ...pressurise....Job done.
@tomstravels520
@tomstravels520 11 месяцев назад
Because if the automatic system fails you need go be able to control it yourself
@skylineXpert
@skylineXpert 2 дня назад
Imagine if Podromou managed to land the plane. He & his girlfriend would probably come down the slides yet the passengers, pilots & remaining flight attendants would probably still be dead...
@Schiizom
@Schiizom 2 месяца назад
I know this is older, but the fighter in the thumbnail is an F-14 and the ones in the event were F-16s.
@mvmishler
@mvmishler 9 месяцев назад
Rename it to Helium Lack-of-Airlines. Bad joke, but so was the overlook of the manual pressurization three times. So sad.
@ScoobyDoozy
@ScoobyDoozy Год назад
Is there a reason that pilots aren’t required to wear Sp02 monitors?
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