Giant TCR vs Canyon Ultimate - Lightweight Race Bikes Do Battle!

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If you want a lightweight aero race bike, Giant and Canyon have two well-established options for you. But which is best?
Liam Cahill is here to pit them head to head, but there’s a twist in the tail of his review.
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00:00 Intro
00:22 Weight
01:30 Frame
03:38 Wheels
07:06 Power Meters
08:06 Cockpit
10:23 Which Should You Buy?
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@tieskuijpers936 Месяц назад

Thank you for reading out the spec sheets of the bikes!

@babybell5781 Месяц назад

Lmao

@gregmorrison7320 Месяц назад

TCR wins that shootout in every respect for me, but I did exactly what you recommended and bought the last generation with the easy to service headset and cables. One thing I do dislike about both these options is that they offer a power meter included, which is of no use to me because I immediately fit shorter cranks, so would prefer the bike came without a power meter and a cheaper price, which Giant also offered on the TCR Advanced 1 Disc Pro Compact, also with hooked rims.

@red00tl Месяц назад

I agree that the previous gen TCR is currently a very good value with a steep discount. I'd go for a Di2 version of either TCR SL or Advanced Pro. I don't really care for the integrated cabling thing. 😉

@yonglingng5640 Месяц назад

The ninth-generation TCR Advanced is their best one in my opinion, I almost bought the rim brake version (105 R7000 spec) in late 2020.

@dickieblench5001 Месяц назад

Did

@babybell5781 Месяц назад

It was a really nice bike but they kinda had no choice, 90% of people want those hidden cables now, If they didn’t have to they wouldn’t have but for sales it was necessary

@vanw1554 Месяц назад

Congrats on ranking as the no.1 most useless comparison video on my list. You had both bikes on hand at the same time, yet you failed to compare the aspect that really matters, the frame! We can read the spec list ourselves. So, thank you, but no thank you.

@franklynj9 Месяц назад

Keep it up hope to see more

@jamiefarrell6496 Месяц назад

Propel vs Aeroad in the next video (please!)?

@LifeOfPJV 11 дней назад

I bought the CF SLX8 a few weeks back and I absolutely love the bike. Yes, I think a cheaper option would've given the same amount of pleasure but when looking at the long term investment (keeping the bike for a couple of years, potentially even 8 to 10) it is well worth investing in a higher end frame in my opinion. Also, I prefer the Arctic Blue SLX over the red and black SL. Important to say is that you need to be comfortable on the bike as you mentioned (bike fit highly recommended) and if the "fixed" stem is not ideal for you, you should not buy the Canyon. For me it fits perfectly and is still comfortable (relatively of course) after 5 or 6 hours on the bike.

@comeespan Месяц назад

I bought a tcr last year, they let me test it for few kilometers, change the handlebar to 38 and the wheels from 36 to 42 for free. The tcr pro 1 at 3600£

@hcw199 Месяц назад

You paid £3600 for a push bike and think you got something for free! Hahahahhahahahahahha

@comeespan Месяц назад

@@hcw199 most brand would have made me pay more to change wheels and handlebars

@hcw199 Месяц назад

@@comeespan You got brain washed by clever marketing to consider spending £3600 for a push bike a good idea.

@coachg4810 Месяц назад

@@hcw199 who are you to question how people spend their hard earned money? What car do you have on the drive? Do you even own it? By the way, that's cheap for a bike of that quality. Compared to a car, it's a snip.

@hcw199 Месяц назад

@@coachg4810 Don't matter how much money you have.... You pay that or more for a push bike and you have a mental illness.

@At_the_Garden Месяц назад

I have an old rim bike, with aero wheels, and newer aero bike both with power meters. In group rides and Strava segments I can’t figure out which bike is faster. There are so many variables, wind from different directions, turbulence of the group. I look at power, speed even HR data either bike it doesn’t seem to matter.

@Ghost12561 Месяц назад

Good recommendation indeed but to sell an external cable bike nowadays is a difficult proposition specially for the competitive ones.

@jabehauber Месяц назад

I did as Liam suggested and bought the prior TCR model (AP1)...indeed saving a crap-ton of $ (even more so than he states in the vid). And got the double sided power meter. I am an endurance rider, and I find the TCR super comfy even on long rides. Yet, it is a scalpel on the road, feeling super nimble. Is it the sexiest looking bike out there? No. But it just doesn't matter when you can tear it up with confidence and at pro peloton system weight...even without the top of the line version! (mine comes in at 7.77kg WITH pedals)

@coachg4810 Месяц назад

Yep, bought the TCR Advanced Pro 1 with SRAM AXS last year, and yes, the brake hoses are on show, but it makes no odds to me and makes life easier for working on them and changing components should I require. Not a fan of the full on tidy cockpit trend for amateurs riders, not sure it brings much to the party, other than aesthetics.

@IvanB2311 Месяц назад

What is your height for M and S size both good for you? I’m 1.79 m and am between

@Sutlore007 Месяц назад

I do not like hookless rims because it needs specific tires and local bike shops in my entire city never ever stock or don't even sell those tires at the moment. Only Giant stores sell their own, which I would not prefer it over Conti GP5000.

@pl4free Месяц назад

the Continental GP5000 S TR is for hookless, so no probs there

@petersouthernboy6327 Месяц назад

@@pl4freeexactly. No problems here Never had a problem over two racing seasons

@DoNuT_1985 Месяц назад

Lots of valuable information, hints and clearly stated opinion. Miles ahead from your standard individual's RU-vid channel. It feels like actual journalism, no surprise given the platform background, but I had to say it. Good job, I'll move on not buying one of these because the right bike in the low 8s can still be fun. 😉

@cypriano8763 Месяц назад

hopefully the next generations of these 2 bikes will have even wider tire clearance. the perfect all road bike

@petersouthernboy6327 Месяц назад

Agreed 👍

@dzrdza Месяц назад

You can easily fit 35mm tyres on Giant TCR, although factory states 32mm. Owner guaranteed. You don't need to go wider than that, unless you ride gravel.

@petersouthernboy6327 Месяц назад

@@dzrdza thanks 👍. I race a Giant Revolt, and Giant states that the “short” flip chip position fits max 45mm - and I’m running 47mm Pathfinder Pro’s in 47mm with 8mm clearance in the “short” position. I really like the TCR Frameset price and am considering building a racy more streety training bike.

@yukiko_5051 Месяц назад

You want to ride with mtb tyres?

@petersouthernboy6327 Месяц назад

@@yukiko_5051 In terms of the Southeast US gravel courses where I race - I’m faster on 47mm tires than I am on 40mm tires. And I’ve got two years of detailed data logging and race results to prove it.

@aldrinclementina4297 Месяц назад

Finally, someone that helps me confirm what size is best for me 😂. I'm 173cm myself but had been having problems with choosing the right size. Especially with these new geometry. My bike I'm using now is a 55cm, which could be count as a 56cm back in the days

@timpowell516 Месяц назад

Small ultimate

@stanislavkindiakov6334 Месяц назад

Or Small TCR. I am 175(or 176 on a good day) and find myself exactly between S and M. Bought M by discount and it is ok, sometimes feels a bit bigger than perfect for me

@Eirikkinserdal Месяц назад

The slr's have carbon spokes? Not only cadex? If they ditched the hookless it would have been great 🤔

@SuchBigglesworthy Месяц назад

Optimize for joy, not speed. I, like a lot of riders, love dropping the hammer up a good climb. Going 24 mph instead of 23 mph on the flats, not so much.

@edwinkluvers8906 Месяц назад

I would go for the aeroad. The weight is more. But the looks and aero is better!!

@Holden0583 Месяц назад

I would prefer the TCR….but not touching hookless rims…

@babybell5781 Месяц назад

Tell me you’ve never ridden a hookless wheel without telling me you’ve never ridden a hookless wheel ^^^

@livibam Месяц назад

Rode the Ultimate CF SLX for a week in Mallorca. My biggest takeaway is the handlebar is garbage, the drop is too short and when I was in the drops my wrist was hitting the top of the bar, while sprinting and descending which put sharp pains through my wrist. Had to descend in the hoods, which isn’t ideal.

@dtacto Месяц назад

Short, shallow drops can be great to get usable and fast hoods AND drops positions. Try bringing bars up and/or closer so that you’re comfortable with 90 degree elbows in the drops, then you won’t pinch wrists and you’ll almost certainly be faster

@Kac3724 Месяц назад

I’ve had this issue previously. It’s directly correlated to a stem that is too short

@fujitsubo Месяц назад

sounds like d bike was too small for u. Consider upsizing. Ive no issues sprinting with my Ultimate in d drops

@livibam Месяц назад

@@Kac3724 yeah, stem was 120, I ride a 130 on my one-piece cockpit on my BMC SLR01, which also has a much longer drop length

@livibam Месяц назад

@@fujitsubo stem was a little short 120, i ride a 130 at home on my one-piece cockpit on the BMC SLR01 Hire bikes, what you gonna do!

@gregkane8635 Месяц назад

Which was more comfortable? Which handled better?

@daydreaming_aristocrat Месяц назад

The answer to this question would have been very interesting indeed

@fujitsubo Месяц назад

Compared to my previous Sworks SL6, Ultimate comfort is about same. SL6 handles more neutral better for any rider whereas Ulimate geometry better for experienced riders who need more responsiveness IMO

@germurphy4986 Месяц назад

He said the TCR, but cos of the tyres

@gregkane8635 Месяц назад

@@germurphy4986 you’d need to use a control tyre for a comparison review so it’s the frame your getting the test on. Not May reviewers do stuff like that - Dave Arthur uses his own wheels to test bikes

@stevedouglas3975 Месяц назад

Regarding hookless, I cannot for the life of me understand why any "average" cyclist would want to go hookless. Marginal aero/weight gain but at potential risk of failure.

@babybell5781 Месяц назад

Why would they not want hookless, it’s a stronger rim it give the tire a nicer shape and a wider profile so it’s more comfortable it’s lighter and all they have to do is buy a hookless compatible tire, I’ve only ever seen two fail in the fkn pro peloton, one we didn’t see what happened but there was an air liner in it, and the other was Derek gee in the fking Paris roubaix…

@l.d.t.6327 Месяц назад

Previous TCR is very good value but the ergonomy of the bars on those bikes is horrendously outdated (way too wide and not flared).

@ReikoKitamori-ll2bx 15 дней назад

I bought the last generation TCR, driven about 700 km. It's my third TCR, always "Advanced PRO 0 Di2". With each model it was always love at first sight, so my opinion is not objective. The new generation is stiffer, lighter not only on the scales, but already by feel in the hands. It is a bit more controllable on descents. The previous TCR was great and this one is even better.

@daydreaming_aristocrat Месяц назад

I recently purchased a disc brake road bike (largest frame size) that weighs 7.15 kg with pedals. 😅

@Joshuavoice29 Месяц назад

You do realize the older frameset you showed at a discount was a disc frameset, right?

@_LeeTurner Месяц назад

Giant TCR all day every day and it's not even close.

@glennicol1361 Месяц назад

My 4iiii power meter disconnects 1-2 times per minute during a ride... Very frustrating and ironic as I did not buy a power meter from China as I thought the 4iiii would be more reliable.

@hcw199 Месяц назад

Why waste yr time with it?

@pieterbauwens5607 Месяц назад

Had the same problem a few years ago, iT was mounted on an alu bike. When moving iT to my Carbon bike the issue dissapeared. Same Garmin divice also.

@Jasongristick Месяц назад

?!? 10:53 the average recreational rider should not be on either bikes. An endurance bike is the way.

@mmddqd Месяц назад

curious what do you consider a recreational rider?

@kokchonglee2986 Месяц назад

I think there is a Reason why road bike comes with rim brake. What happen if the braking power is more than your tire can grip on the road.

@alfonsokhiew2872 Месяц назад

Thats why we use wider tires. Not some silly 19-23c anymore

@karga5208 3 дня назад

As long as you can adjust this, even 28 size tires won't throw you off. :)

@ihatenegi Месяц назад

Recommending the carbon hookless wheelset just because its lighter eh...?

@karga5208 3 дня назад

Big mistake😂 and of course ultimate slx

@batbawls Месяц назад

Why is a pressfit BB a good idea for the consumer?

@jamble7k Месяц назад

on giants the bb shell is excellent, all of the press fit issues are caused by poor tolerances

@babybell5781 Месяц назад

Because it’s easy to service and it’s better and if you don’t know what the fuck you’re doing you shouldn’t touch it? That answer your question?

@dainiusvysniauskas2049 Месяц назад

It's not

@danyangw1542 Месяц назад

hha same looking for Aeroad vs PP😁

@Marcus221179 Месяц назад

Pressfit for the Win!

@babybell5781 Месяц назад

THANK YOU

@jamble7k Месяц назад

still rather have the giant... build quality goes a long way and local dealer support

@stevenpike7530 Месяц назад

The only good thing about the Giant is the lifetime (real) warranty on the frameset…Conversely, the only positive thing about the Canyon is MVDP winning 50% of the monuments on it (Tadej Hoovers up the other 50%)…

@jonathanzappala Месяц назад

Giant should give you a commission for every 2023 tcr you just sold. That would be nice of them :)

@dustind9242 Месяц назад

Both bikes need a course of Ozempic

@oOoACFREEMANoOo Месяц назад

7.5kg?

Месяц назад

The CFSLX is listed at 7.26 for a size M on the Canyon website 🤔 (with tubes) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Uqk35ZqCpfI.html

@xaviermorel4956 Месяц назад

J'ai un Canyon Ultimate SLX Di2 8.0 et QUE des problèmes en même pas 1.000 km. Tige de selle qui descend. Cadre remplacé. Selle cassée. Selle remplacée. SAV chez qui je dois retourner une fois sur deux ou solutionner moi-même le souci technique car le mécano a oublié de serrer le boulon par-ci ou la molette par-là. Pitoyable. Et ce n'est pas qu'en Belgique, apparemment. Bonne marque pour le reste mais j'y réfléchirai à 2 fois pour mon futur 4ème vélo.

@babybell5781 Месяц назад

The amount of people here complaining about hookless wheels but then you look at how many of those adjustable bars have snapped…

@and30ers Месяц назад

Why do this video spend 5 min ranting about how good and safe hookless is?

@JFomo Месяц назад

There's nothing wrong with hookless, the issue lies with the Obea Lotto Destny team and their shtty mechanics.

@babybell5781 Месяц назад

THANK YOU

@dainiusvysniauskas2049 Месяц назад

Neither of them are definition of lightweight aero bike as neither of them are particularly aero. That title goes to Supersix Evo and Tarmac.

@Jamess92 Месяц назад

Tcr is more aero than the tarmac

@dainiusvysniauskas2049 Месяц назад

@@Jamess92 Not even close, lmao

@Gianniz27 Месяц назад

@@Jamess92 hahaha, no.

@Jamess92 Месяц назад

@@Gianniz27 check just ride bikes video and learn

@dainiusvysniauskas2049 Месяц назад

@@Jamess92 Check Tour Magazine data and learn. The new Giant TCR -221 watts, Tarmac SL8 - 209 watts

@dcv9460 Месяц назад

HOOKED! All the way! 😎💯

@DJMSydney Месяц назад

The perfect content for anyone who is illiterate or not capable of distinguishing between two bike spec sheets……. Where was the test rides? Put the same tyres on the two bikes and ride some climbs and/or at speed, holding the same power on each bike.

@nagasako7 Месяц назад

Never a bike shop that ever recommended hook less....

@petersouthernboy6327 Месяц назад

Doubtful.

@babybell5781 Месяц назад

Have you only ever been to a surly dealer?

@stanislavkindiakov6334 Месяц назад

Bought previous generation new tcr on ultegra for “just” 1980 euro 😅

@jonathanzappala Месяц назад

If the weight is all in the wheels, then there isn’t any practical difference.

@timowen5772 Месяц назад

Hmmm I think you forgot to actually review the bikes you have. I was expecting a review on the frames - how do these feel? how do they accelerate - on the flat, on a hill. Which has a snap of acceleration over the other? which feels better. This review is entirely about parts that get swopped/wear out. And the conclusion? why bother getting these bikes at all - just do a film on what's currently the cheapest bike to buy. Please try again and actually review the frames. This is especially important because no one get to test ride bikes any more - the consumer has no ability to test each bike and compare before a purchase.

@bikeradar Месяц назад

Thanks for your comment, we will take this on board 👍

@greg4318 Месяц назад

You fail to mention the following. Hookless is only usable by lighter riders who don’t need higher pressures which would bust the hookless max pressure. Second, you must have your head in the sand about Giants power meter…..it’s crap and always has been. Every credible reviewer confirms same

@pieterbauwens5607 Месяц назад

Lightweigt video, featuring two Seven kg plus pigs. Meantime I am stil riding my 2012 aeroad, 6.8 kg medium, factory components with pedals, sadlebag, powermeter and gps mount. Cant help but feel like you lot are providing Some bizar commercials.

@Numeriwar Месяц назад

Like 99% of bikes, the cranks and handlebar are too long/wide on the TCR.

@willalm830 Месяц назад

Carbon spears, agree metal spokes cheaper safer and replaceable the old Giant and to hell with rim-less

@babybell5781 Месяц назад

Was that English?

@aveedub7403 Месяц назад

If you buy a Giant tcr off the peg it comes with crap hookless tubeless!!! I scrapped tubeless and went to tpu tubes with contis. Im just waiting for the tyre peel off the rim scenario! I have a spare hooked set.of wheels i use, just have no confidence in hookless!!!

@petersouthernboy6327 Месяц назад

LOL 😂

@petersouthernboy6327 Месяц назад

Never had a problem over two racing seasons

@yukiko_5051 Месяц назад

@@petersouthernboy6327You just got lucky. World class pro already get in trouble thanks to hookless, and it will happen again soon if they keep pushing hookless

@trungduyle4192 Месяц назад

No need too much talk… canyon… i just love canyon at first sight

@jochem1986 Месяц назад

Aero weight, without the aero benefits.

@charlesmiv3842 Месяц назад

They're lighter than the aero

@tipkeri7923 Месяц назад

Tcr

@palpatine1975 Месяц назад

Whos gonna care about 0.001 difference in watt power for both bikes . People do not care for this marketing BS.

@Penalist Месяц назад

Yeah they do.

@Pienimusta Месяц назад

Not for a noob like you.

@palpatine1975 Месяц назад

@@Pienimusta 😂 😂 😂

@palpatine1975 Месяц назад

Canyon needs to amp up their paint jobs... Year after year dull aesthetics

@cosbro5389 Месяц назад

Just bought the 2023 TCR advanced 0 for $5800 aud = to 3000 pound ...you brits do get taken to the cleaners when you put your hands in your pockets

@Nico-jt8ll Месяц назад

Aren`t these 2 frames a copy of the Gen. 1 Scott Foil (2012)?

@cannonfodder691 Месяц назад

Absolutely I had a 2014 one and it looks exactly the same

@MrMarianolore Месяц назад

Giant with TCR model invented compact geometry in 1997 and changed road bicycles so Scott Foill and Canyon Ulitimat is the copy of Giant TCR

@petersouthernboy6327 Месяц назад

TCR came way before Canyon was even formed as a Company

@hcw199 Месяц назад

They all copy giant and are mostly manufactured by giant too.

@petersouthernboy6327 Месяц назад

@@hcw199 that’s actually true. Giant manufactures for Scott, Cannondale, Trek, and many others.

@edymarkonthego4096 Месяц назад

I take a Canyon for its look.

@davidvonslingshot Месяц назад

thumbnails sums it up nicely. Don't.

@kabobsyea9985 Месяц назад

???

@redauwg911 Месяц назад

Hookless =Toothless

@petersouthernboy6327 Месяц назад

Never had a problem over two racing seasons

@redauwg911 Месяц назад

@@petersouthernboy6327 Wish you the best of look...

@cosbro5389 Месяц назад

idiotic remark...never had a problem with hookless

@redauwg911 Месяц назад

@@cosbro5389 Idiotic reply ...It is a known fact.

@petersouthernboy6327 Месяц назад

@@redauwg911 it’s a road bike issue at higher pressures. If you don’t exceed 65psi you’ll be fine. It has *NEVER* been a gravel or MTB issue.

@moonfleet9537 Месяц назад

Aethos all the way

@pantster9855 Месяц назад

Hookless = immediate no from me They bring ZERO benefit to the user and cost savings to the maker. Can get lighter than this (with higher profiles) and hooked, ie new Black Inc’s

@babybell5781 Месяц назад

Tell me you’ve never ridden hookless wheels without telling me you’ve never ridden hookless wheels^^^^, better profile rounder tire shape lighter way stronger faster, and all you have to do is choose a compatible tire… I think it’s time for you to do some research

@pantster9855 Месяц назад

@@babybell5781 all utter rubbish. The hook has nothing to do with what the rim profile is. Black Inc and others have demonstrated that hooked rims (with deeper profiles) can be lighter than hookless rims Tyres can make just as aero profile regardless It saves the manufacturer money, which doesn’t get passed on to the consumer. If you’re happy being fleeced go for it. I’ll stick with hooked

@dmv4554 Месяц назад

Shill for big hookless. Too dangerous

@user-tl4cr8wo9w Месяц назад

personally id rather just not ride the TCR it seems so bias towards the TCR

@user-tp5ev9iz2m Месяц назад

Hookless only benefits the brands and literally no one else lmao stop pretending like it’s not dangerous

@FlourescentPotato Месяц назад

They're not really aero though lol. Vague nods to aero at best

@princeandrew5430 Месяц назад

Lightweight bikes that aren’t light 😂 I’ll stick with my rim brake bike from 10 years ago that is 1.5 kg lighter thanks

@markgeorgiou7104 Месяц назад

True

@SpencerBaum Месяц назад

Yeah, and it's still slower than either of these

@kokonanana1 Месяц назад

@@SpencerBaumit’s all about the motor!

@Ian-H76 Месяц назад

It’s time to move on from rim brakes, like everyone else 🙄

@11robotics Месяц назад

@@SpencerBaum slower by a few seconds over 40 km in a wind tunnel at speeds and powers only the top 1% of cyclists can hold for more than a minute. All that for half the cost or even less. Thanks but I'll stick to my titanium non-aero rim brake road bike too. You keep dreaming that an aero bike with fully integrated cable routing saving you 3W will magically turn you overnight into a pro rider.

@germurphy4986 Месяц назад

TCR is now pointless, as the Propel can be built to 6.7kg.