How Well Made are Giant TCR's? (we found out) 

Umm... Is there some kind of air extraction and filtration in that cutting booth? For when the mask comes off

@@warrenyoung173its purpose designed and we still evacuated the room three times during filming

Why didnt you use a warranty frame or a damaged frame.

Hambini - no thanks. His history should mean you don’t involve him.

Yes , absolutely !

In hindsight its a shame they didn't use a warranty frame

It is a shame, but then there could be accusations that they selected a 'perfect' warranty frame before handing it over.

@@1nickybe difficult to tell if it's perfect unless it has already been cut up.

I'm with the Giant store guy- Cam is an idiot for doing this.

That Giant employee is pretty standard i guess, my local US giant store employees are very much like that guy, super nice and always a pleasure to deal with.

Glue is almost always going to have some voids. Makes very little difference.

I'm guessing they're using a balloon with a clamshell, but yeah it's weird that "experts" are complaining about bagging wrinkles.

@CapraObscura Resin by itself has very little strength.

Wrinkles mean poor compaction underneath the wrinkle.

I have to agree with you. I have spent plenty of time working/building high performance carbon sailing catamarans and the kind of things that are acceptable there don't make me second guess these frames even a little. Hambini is unfortunately making too much money while not being realistic with people who watch his channel about manufacturing processes.

Right!!! 😂😂😂😂😂

And he is totally right. It's a shame to scrap a brand new frame like this. I worked as a production engineer for the largest bike brand in the Netherlands and it still hurts me to see so much harm done to high quality bike parts with many hours of labour in it.

The good man even said that’s “…not normal…” on camera!

"That's huh, That's not normal" Love it!

​@@janvanrookhuijzen8309ghost?

Yes he was very thoughtful. Great guy too.

Why did you not take that offer and give the frame to a young racer ? ​@@CamNicholls

@@andarenbici he couldve either given the damaged frame and injured a rider or wouldve completely jeopardised the potential knowledge and validity of the entire video by using a compromised and worn out frame

It would have been great if you cut up the warranty frame too. Just to compare the two and to see why the warranty frame failed.

@andarenbici he couldve either given the damaged frame and injured a rider That makes no sense at all.

Taiwan made TCR ADV SL is fine, but the build quality of TCR ADV which made in Kunshan is totally CRAP.

What have you based your answer on? Have you any facts you wqould like to share to explain your comment?@@fukairen9601

Ahh can you elaborate a bit. This sounds really interesting. Rode one of the cheaper versions myself.

@@fukairen9601 I have TCR advance pro from 2021, is say on the frame Taiwan.

My TCR composite from 2006 is still perfect. I quess the frame is oké?

Thanks again for being involved Hambini! The link to your full video is also in the description of this one fyi. Here's to being contracted for the large sum of fucking zero. hahahaha

I suggest watching this, as it explains things better.

The "uncut" version, haha. You still cut the frame in half I'm sure

You guys are a superhero duo like Batman and Robin.

The most pompous pseudo engineer in all of india XD

good to see you posting here, was thinking of you while watching

We've used Chris King (when they made BB86) and Kogel without issues at our shop.

I have a kogel installed on my wife TCR advanced, dial gauge was happy & it got in smoothly.

C-Bear also possesses no issue

Great to see you on this chat @mapdec. My 2016 Defy non-drive side shimano bb86 bearing seized after 5 years. It rarely gets wet. I just it replaced however it would be interesting to know if there is an underlying reason.

In saudi they blow up lambo engines and buy another lambo

Content and RU-vid community... Habibi only looked at a couple of pictures across the planet, for clicks. If you want to say intelligent things about the frame you probably have to hold it in your hands.

It wasn't hard for me at all.

haha, he loves his brand. You could tell.

Dude was sweatung like a pig, thinking what to I do if Cam cuts it open and it is bad… 😂

Bahahahahaha. My bike Mech (Joel) is saved in my phone as Giant Guy 🤣

This video not sponsored by Pas Normal

Cheers David! Many thanks for the support

Look and Time would be excellent to have a look at

Can’t beat em IMO. Great ride, great value.

knowing Hambini from his other videos - that was actually very positive review from him

As a mechanical engineer and industry insider, I can say without equivocation that Hambini is a fraud. Of course it takes talent to see in others and why Hambini is given an audience by clueless people. I always laugh when his advice is used as any sort of benchmark. He denigrates the industry to promote his bottom brackets as a panacea when his heavy, one piece bottom brackets degrade all frames they are used on. The public, not all, as a collective are technically clueless. I am not going to write a book on why wall section is only an element in the equation of structural integrity. Proof is how many frames fail in the field as in the case of Specialized Tarmac SL7, how many high watt riders ended up on their heads due to steerer failure which created the SL8 with revised cable routing retainer at the top of the steerer to reduce stress concentration. (example) Inspection, all though indicative, falls short of reality out in the field.

​@@lechproteantruly. Hambini was stretching himself a bit by making some conclusions without being able to measure (and in some cases not being able to discern things from pictures). I thought he did an OK job of giving caveats, but I think even he would say some of the things he said were slightly too far on the side of conjecture to be as useful to the consumer as they would be if he had the physical item. I think the obvious expert missing from this review is Raul @leuscherteknik I would love to get his impressions since he tends to be far less prone to playing for the camera.

Yes this is the response everyone needs to read. Its one thing saying product A looks nicer than product B - thats your call. But to infer that performance is degraded, based on insufficient information, or speaking ex-rectum for the camera, is not on. A good definition of an "expert" is someone who is clear on the boundaries of their knowledge, will demur and suggests instead you speak to an actual expert. Good call on Raul @@MrKipperfish

huh, ok ill keep that in mind. i hope i get one to if the unfortunate happens

cannondale should take notes

Giant's xc frames are famous for needing that warranty!

I'm on my second xtc sl advanced frame. Giant did not quibble on replacing the original frame under warranty. I'm right now contemplating a Defy road frame.

@@seanparker7415 If you had bought a Pivot you wouldn't have needed that warranty support.

I did the same, and installed a Wheels M. 2 piece bb. Works great!

Well, it seems like it's well made from this one example. Beats a lot of the emerging Chinese stuff I've tested and if you can wait for discounts and weird colours, it's roughly the same price!

I do not get that at all from CF, work with it every day, yes fibreglass.

It's just an extra variable though. Maybe whatever the frame had been through would have shown up in other spots other than the main point of damage, and then you would be wrongfully criticizing Giant for something that had nothing to do with them.

Welcome to modern society, it's all about being wasteful.

Giant makes Trek high end frames, so I imagine the same quality goes in for their customers. Scott (which I own) and Cannondale are made by a smaller factory in Taiwan. It would be interesting to see one of those frames cut up.

Toyota quality is the highest compliment I care about. Gold standard is gold standard.

The frames are usually reinforced where the rivnuts are to be installed, so it's unlikely that installation would be successful in another area of the frame.

He’s the store owner. Very passionate about his brand!

@@CamNicholls you can tell. What a legend.