Just to clarify the situation about the new Premiere Pro Beta. While we only use final release versions of Premiere, we decided to run some tests with it. NOTE: When an NVIDIA GPU is installed, Adobe uses the GeForce NVENC encoder on the G14, not the IGP at all. Intel-based systems use a combination of IGP & NVENC to speed up the task, the gap is now pretty narrow and looks super bad for Intel considering their systems' price. Results below: Aero previous - 9: 48 Aero + Beta - 7: 51 G14 previous - 18: 25 G14 + Beta - 10: 51
The G14 also has a much slower GPU. Enough to explain all of that gap (and likely more). Still think you should have included these results in the video though. The results you included will be worthless within a week/2 whereas the Beta results would have stayed reasonbly applicable/accurate for MUCH longer.
@@zzzzzz9022 No. We never use betas for reviews. We used to and it completely messed up our findings since beta performance changes so often. Based on Adobe's previous betas, it could be months to years before this branch ever makes it into a final release. Plus, doing so wouldn't change our findings about this notebook.
@@Cooe. Encoder performance through NVENC doesn't drastically change from one RTX card to the next since its basically a fixed function stage that's in every GPU. The only difference would be how much resources it has access to.
@@HardwareCanucks There's no WAY Adobe leaves such a massively critical improvement to the code base outside of the main release for "years", let alone many months... They've been bleeding marketshare to DaVinci over this issue for years, I can pretty much guarantee you they're working to get hardware encoding into the main release ASAP. The amount of advertising the feature has got speaks volumes to that as well.
@@tommihommi1 You won't be seeing the higher end nvidia gpus with the amd cpus this year regardless. Pretty sure intel has their hands in a few pockets.
@@tommihommi1 Still dont want a crappy plastic laptop tho. The G14 is just OK, I'd rather have a premium laptop with slightly less performance. Prob wont get premium AMD laptops until next year with the H cpu.
"The camera on the bottom makes sense...So the person cannot look at our messy room...or you can seat bottomless if you want to while skyping...!" -Someone in Aero 17 designing team !
Nice vid mate, but: 1:22 Please don't call them "Doctor" MOS... They are called Driver-MOS(FET) - Intel Spec from 2004. They are basically the most dumb and cheapest MOSFET type you can get for a modern motherboard VRM. They heavily depend on additional electronics to meet the required specs for any platform. But it doesn't mean that a board running Driver-MOSFETs is bad or inefficient. They are just ASRock's working "bang for the buck" VRM solution for more than a decade now.
Just a little note that according to Hardware Unboxed in the next version of Adobe Premiere (that is now in Beta) quick sync will also work with Nvidia and AMD GPU's.
Its not technically Quick Sync which is a dedicated hardware-level fixed function stage. The issue with AMD notebook CPUs is that unless you are running an AMD GPU, you can't enable the IGP alongside an NVIDIA discrete card with proper system stability. And for the forseeable future, AMD has nothing that will compete against the RTX 2070 and higher notebook GPUs.
@@HardwareCanucks Actually in Asus G14(4900HS) 2060maxq shoud support "smart swich" as mentioned by Nvidia also that hardware fixes function is also in AMD IGPUs since first zen mobile was launched...
@@royallager1851 The smart switch does not allow both to be active at the same time. It is an "either or" switch, not parallel. With that being said, I wouldn't be surprised if Adobe will be able to still process tasks on an AMD IGP when its not being used for display, though not sure why they would want to do that when the discrete encoder on the NVIDIA cards are more efficient and powerful.
@@HardwareCanucks Just to be clear we don't want to enable both GPU and IGPu that pointless and not power efficient.. We just saying that 9:50 Intel Quick Sync is not an adventage any more...
I had an 2019 Aero 15, RMA'd it because if coil whine and terrible wifi. After a refund, I get the 2020 Aero 15 and its a lot better. Still garbage wifi, but the oled screen makes up for every inconvenience :) @ Hardware Canucks: how is the long range wifi performance on the Aero 17?
Great video. Very dissapointing build, coil whine, ridiculous Webcam and there is no excuse for bad speakers for that price. Screen might be perfect but the 1st half of the video told the story as to why I would never get this.
Just so you know I have this laptop for over a year now. Only have 1 problem. Stupid wifi card going in and out. I even upgraded with new one. And it's still messing up. Some time when I turn laptop ON it will not connect to wifi unless I restart again. It's like hit and miss. Other then that. Very recommend! I love this beautiful screen. 3070 just fine for games. Everything runs on it medium to high settings no problem. Pulling out Half Life Alyx on max on my HP riverb with zero problems.
I like 4K resolution when I can get it. If my system has trouble with a game at 4K, I lower the game’s output resolution, or lower graphical settings. I DO NOT say to myself... “I need a 1080p monitor instead of this 4K one.” That’s just how I look at it and do it. For example, 1440p on a 4K monitor... still looks awesome! Really great if you ask me. And 1080p on a 4K monitor? It’s okay. It’s fine. Personally, I do not find that I “really need” native monitor resolution, even at the lower 1080p. This is not meant as a complaint post. This is really just a, “that’s just me, and I’m just sayin’” post.
If you run at 1080p on a 4k screen it should look just as good as running 1080p native. This is because 4k has exactly 4x the number of pixels so each 1080p pixel can be comprised of 4 smaller pixels to form a perfectly scaled image.
I watched so many reviews of this notebook and i gotta say your review is THE BEST !! ... everyone's only concantrated on other things like performance, display and so on, but are forgeting to mention something so much important like this sharp edges !!! ... i also viewed much amazon reviews and peaple whop are using this laptop for long time now, are saying its so anoying its allready frustrating !! ..... i'm on a mission to find two notebooks for my sisters two doughter's and if i wouldn't find this, for me most important information's, ill be in lot of trouble :-P .... THANK YOU MAN ! .. p.s. -> .... also comment about the camera is top comment ! .. KEEP on the GREAT work man, appritiate it ...
I own one of these, doesn't have the OLED but the 144hz 1080 screen and it's great. I absolutely flog it, play it every day, even run my HP reverb VR head set with it. Mine doesn't have any coil whine and hasn't skipped a beat in two years.
Good Lord, just shy of 3k for a jet engine laptop. I could build my dream PC for 1k less than that and have enough to pimp out a hot swappable switch keyboard.
@@yoginwidhi6676 Imagine spending 3k to sit in a Starbucks and play PUBG like a douche. Or show up to a client meeting with a try hard gamer rbg keyboard and edgy font. If you want a productivity laptop, there are much better options for half the price. Spend your money how you want, but it's a pretty terrible investment.
laptops are inherently more expensive than desktop pcs. People cant walk around with desktops you know. That being said iam not saying aero is worth 3k
@@AdX-nj3ti I understand that, but you could build a killer PC and get an Asus ROG G15 at half the price and 90% of the performance. This laptop is a net negative in price to performance to convenience. The only thing keeping Intel afloat in this year's laptop wars is that Nvidia hasn't put a 2070S with the 4xxx series AMD chips.
No. This is not true since you can't enable the IGP alongside the NVIDIA GPU without completely losing system stability. At least not yet based on driver tech. Not only that but that Beta string from Adobe is extremely unstable. Looking forward to the full release though since right now it only supports H.264/HEVC.
I have the AERO 17 YB, review coming out tomorrow (25th of April 2020) but I didn't experience coil whine. Just started as a youtuber, so I hope everyone likes the vid (if they are interested)
Nice review would love to see one for the "CUK VivoBook K571 by ASUS 15 inch Gaming Laptop (Intel Core i7, 40GB RAM, 1TB NVMe SSD + 2TB HDD, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 Ti 4GB, 15.6" FHD, Windows 10 Home) Thin Notebook Computer" looks like a slamming value on Amazon but can't find any reviews about it. Not sure why
If only laptop manufacturera start producing mini led displays, we wouldn't have to deal with low sRGB and low Nit. This is also my concern when I try to choose a laptop beside with chassis material.
So... About that display... Is the OLED panel accurate on different brightness levels? Some people told that it was not in the past. Did the situation change or not? And if you say "it's not worth for that money" then what is? Is Raser Blade or new MSI GS66 (maybe smth else) better now (i'm looking for a laptop for content and gaming for up to 3000)?
@@Leepee91 actually I decided to wait a bit more as I'm not in a hurry. Current Intel CPUs appear to have better features than AMDs (e.g. Thunderbolt) but they loose significantly in raw power and power management. At the same time AMD CPUs are only found in budget laptops that have either poor build quality or poor screen (both of which I'm trying to avoid. I hope that either Intel will make their new CPUs better to withstand the competition or AMD CPUs will appear in more premium laptops. As for current choices... Razer appers to be good in long terms use due to lower temps under load and best build quality. But they have quite big reject rate and I don't like their strange separation of Base and Advanced models. Aero seems th be quite balanced in performance and great in terms of ports if you need them. But it is definitely not a go to for gamers (except casual ones like me) because of screen. GS66 is on the other hand for gamers. It lacks some creators features (card reader) but brings fast screen and lots of performance (even while having high temps). Non of them are perfect anyway.
@@georgyantonyuk2016 thank you for such a thorough reply! Appreciate it. I think I'm settling on the Aero. Makes sense with the 3D/design work I do with the screen res/colour gamut/ports and I'm more of a casual gamer too.
i removed that coil whine sound by updating bios and drivers in laptop . Bios update removed that, i have 15 XA oled 2070 max q. now it runs like a charm without that random beeping coil sound
What is it that makes you say the keyboard is better than a Razer Blade? I'm interested in more detail. A lack of detail about the keyboard is why I remain undecided. Is it mechanical?
I was looking at the Aeros and what really surprised me was the offering at one geeky web site that had many (70%?) of their Aeros 17s as Out-of-the-box. So I looked at your review just as it came in and -- I think I can see why. Nice review. Will wait for Ryzen with a decent screen.
Hello what's your opinion about the screen. I have tested the 15 inch oled version and it is incredible. Also I like glare screen for more vibrant colors. But 17 inch is better. Do you you the screen of your review is better or equal to the oled version. I hope gigabit will release 17 inch oled laptop..or a 27 inch oled monitors it will ne the best solution.
It's a slick looking laptop for sure but if SMARTPHONES can fit a full 1080p front facing camera not much bigger than the size of a pin, there is NO excuse for not having a 720p webcam at the top of the screen. The MSI products seem to have some of the smallest bezels but still add a webcam at the top no problem, for example. Webcams arent the end all be all of a laptop, obviously, but its a red flag design choice that would extend to the rest of the build imo Thank you for the review! Hopefully you can get the MSI Raider GE66 for review, thats the one I have my eye's set on right now.
@@TechWithSean Wait - so he's being a 'fan boy' for saying that he's not interested in a laptop that doesn't feature the most efficient, highest performance, best value mobile CPU lineup available on the market today? Unless there's some special Intel part that is competitive with the Ryzen 4000 series that I'm not aware of - that means only one possible brand... ...I guess "performance isn't everything" though, right? ...then again, maybe he was referring to AMD A-series mobile parts, cuz he's a fan boy... ...yea, I bet that's what he meant...
Matt Schwartz Ok let say you are right, but intel counterpart is hotter that needs dual fan configuration on CPU (like GS66 and 65) and still the surface is hotter. Not to mention that these model you mentioned had gimped cooling solution... all of hot units and vrm share same heatpipe with the CPU, also they were bonded with thermal paste (very thermal conductive), the heat from these VRMs flow directly to CPU... to fix this, do a Liquid Metal repaste, put a thermal pads on VRMs (instead of paste), remove the air blocker in the G15.. viola.. ultimate Laptop that will crush intel counterparts. This method will allow more heat transfer from CPU to heat pipe and prevents VRM to Heatpipe to CPU... VRM do not throttle and resistant at high temps but CPU does throttle, Pads will cool excessive heat but not all the latent heat will be transfered to the pipe.
the thing is there is no perfect laptop out there. the aero has a couple of nagging issues but it has arguably the best thermal performance coupled with a great battery
The reason being that the Gigabyte laptop still place the camera not at the top monitor is not because of the bezel. It is due to the X Rite Panton Color Calibration in which the i think for ease of process Gigabyte can only ship monitor without any other parts to X Rite for perfect calibration
Thank you! you're the first one to give the nose webcam the importance it really has. Reviews of the Aero laptops always dismiss this as something not important. They are utterly wrong. IT'S A BAD DESIGN, period. Let's make Gigabyte hear this once and for all!
Guys, when you are using any adjustable laptop cooling pads with integrated USB hubs (or even without) as a dock and you raise it to the max, the webcam gets elevated to your face level. Indeed, you can't just take the laptop to a conference room and make a call without a dock, without pointing the webcam at your nostrils. When you only do calls from one office where you got your setup with your pad, keyboard, mouse and maybe additional monitors, this is a non-issue for laptops that have the camera placed at the bottom.
It honestly looked absolutely fine while he was demoing it, talking about how 'frustrated' it was making him. The "points right up your nostrils" crap is a meme; can't say I've ever noticed anyone's nostrils when I've been looking up at someone(and, mind you, I'm 5'5"... ...sooooo...). This is the kind of stuff where I think they get too much into "reviewing" the product, rather than just USING the product; just like how Linus loses his shit over 'hole punch' smartphones, even if you don't like that style it's still the most discrete phone camera 'form' that isn't mechanized, you literally look right past it when actually USING the device. Fact is, if you really care about it that much, then you aren't going to be happy with the webcam quality on ANY laptop, regardless of positioning; they're just like monitor speakers, "for emergency use only"(and anyone that literally doesn't care about the quality). So, like mentioned, you're just going to be purchasing a USB webcam anyway, whether they nailed the placement of the built-in cam or not.
@@RyTrapp0 I personally didn't like it. It's not that I hate nostrils or something (I have no idea about the meme), I don't mind the angle, however, when talking to someone, it's just that the user will be looking at his screen and not anywhere close to his webcam. I can understand that the he is looking at me, but it is weird. When talking face to face, people look at each other's face, but with that angle, the person you are talking to doesn't appear to look at you. It is an annoyance, however, as I mentioned, when using a dock at full height, it becomes a non-issue. As I mentioned, I prefer laptops without cameras if I can get them. But as you mentioned, people get too much into "reviewing," I made this exact point on many videos of tech youtubers. People who buy an expensive phone with a hole punch camera won't really care and get used to them, because most people don't buy all the latest high-end smartphones and say "Oh, I don't like this phone because of X, let me switch to the other phone." And there are not a lot of people abusing the return system. Going even further, some people will look at the phones or test them a little in a showroom, or look at hands-ons before buying them. I agree with you, most people aren't using their webcams on their laptops, those are rarely or even never used. People who buy laptops and don't need a webcam will ignore the webcam review. People who use webcams a lot will be mindful of them during the review. And people who need lots of laptops for business will buy business laptops. I don't know any Dell Latitudes that come with a webcam positioned at the bottom. The bottom placement is just for consumers who won't be using them that much, but have them there in case they need them. And frankly, that placement is a conclusion of the thin bezels. I'd prefer what Apple does with their not-so-thin bezels, but place a camera where it should be. Moreover, if I can't get a webcam-less laptop, I'd like to see webcams that use the same sensors and lenses as smartphone cameras, even if it means adding a bump on the top and a ridge under the touchpad or at the end of the palm-rest area. The cameras of old, like the one on the iPhone 6 didn't have a huge bump, they would easily fit on a laptop.
Aside from the lack of USB 3.2 Gen 2 for USB Type A ports, I wish Gigabyte had upgraded the Ethernet port to 2.5 Gbps & the card reader to UHS-III instead of UHS-II like Razer Blade Pro 17. It would have also been nice if they offered a 4K 120Hz display option like Razer does. However, Gigabyte does beat Razer in offering the i9 CPU option.
Its barely a upgrade at all from last year. Really disappointed to see they are not using Ryzen 4000 chips. Not to mention camera, speakers, mic aray and the 4k screen that is stil only being 60hz are all. Have to give them cudos for the color accuracy thought. Just dont get how they keep supporting Intel despite Intel screwing us all for years until AMD brought some innovation. Now AMD arguably has a better mobile product with Intel still giving us the same old 14nm parts at high prices but these OEMs keep supporting Intel giving them no incentive to change behavior in future and we keep being screwed. Would love a Aero 17 laptop running Ryzen 4900HS or H with a 4k 120hz color accurate screen like Razer Pro 17 4k, Nvidia RTX 2070/2080 max Q super, 2x NVME, 2x RAM, 2x Thunderbolt, 99whr battery, all the IO like on current Aero 17, speakers and mics like MacBook pro 16, good webcam, keyboard and trackpad. Sadly al we get is this avg update on last year as skyhigh prices
Great video ! I have aero 15 oled i7 9750h with rtx 2070 max Q and im enjoying games with him.. Do you thing i would get higer performance in games with new moder super max q and i7 10gen?
I fucking love this laptop with the 3060 in it but after watching this video.. I'm not gonna get it. I'm struggling with which laptop to get.. It seems like that all have some major flaws.
I think the areo classic looks better visually but a solid laptop nonetheless. 1 thing I am annoyed about is how u said this areo only has 5 Gbps usb. While the areo classic laptops had 10 Gbps. So why did they go backwards??
Hi, I'm Unreal Engine 4 developer and travel most of times, so I want to grap a powerful laptop for my work, I came across this laptop "MSI Creator 17 A10SGS-252" what did you think about it? does it handle temperature as they said on product page? or can you point me to a good laptop for professionnal that can handle long session work (8h-12h) and huge processing task ... My requirements: 17.3 4K display, at least 32 gb ram, at least RTX 2080, at least CPU i7 10th gen or above, at least 2To ssd and good cooling system.... maybe a bonus of rgb keyboard
One question Is it worth to overclock my Aorus RTX 2080 SUPER Waterforce?I mean..as it's watercooled will I be able to reach to the performence of 2080ti at high overclock?
The point of the narrow bezels is so you can have a smaller shell. No one cares about the webcam. You need to analyze how many people use the webcam before inputting your opinion.
Additionally, I don't mind the angle. You look from that angle. The angle is fine. It is what it is. What do you need a perfect angle for? You sound like a woman at her wedding.
I wish these Premiere benchmarks in reviews would show with QuickSync vs without. The kinds of people using this are more likely (with the new Premiere beta and when it gets a full release) to be using NVENC for when you need to get something out quickly and won't be using either for final deliverables. There AMD surely has the win. The only area in video production that Intel still wins is when they use the internal GPU for hardware DECODING of h.264 and h.265 in the timeline. If we could get that running on dedicated GPUs too, Intel could essentially be dead in this market.
@@eber.antony thanks Eber, appreciate all your Hardwork and great points in your video. I am really looking for a good laptop as I am upgrading from a i7 6700HQ, with Ryzen on the table and no available high end D-GPU option makes Intel a little more interesting!
Dell XPS 15 7590 4K touch has 100% adobe RGB so not unheard of in notebooks :p . Watching on it now and that oled looks wonderful but but not ideal for photography. Still very very nice!
There's absolutely no reason to buy something that's not a Blade at that price. If you can't give me an aluminum unibody and supreme build quality with front facing speakers, a large glass touchpad, a non-chin cam... at $2900, you can get right the fuck out. The moment Razer makes AMD an option, it's over. Sidenote: I will never understand your hatred for the Blade's keyboard. I don't think you've reviewed a single laptop that you HAVEN'T said has a "superior" keyboard... which is just hot garbage bias.
With Aeros, you need to enable the higher TDP settings to get advertised clocks. These are the little orange bars in their Gigabyte Center....That said, I doubt a cooling design, even in a 17", can adequately cool 14nm at the specs that Intel is advertising for any real usage scenarios. I'll wait until laptop manufacturers stop taking Intel's money and actually produce AMD laptops with high end GPUs. Hopefully that's soon.
The nosecam is stupid and seems to be a bit worse than some of the competition. Gigabyte being so adamant is silly. It's enough for me to not by an Aero, and others shouldn't just to send the message that they need to change the design. Don't reward this stupidity.
