Someone tried to tell me he was a shooter lol 😂 he used to dunk on mfs and he did the dunk contest ray was a scorer before lebron as love was as Mike miller as korver as ad as Bosh as Wade let’s quit the bs . Melo got every offensive skill
@@shaquilhoskins3078 Steph is a shooter. Just an overrated one. More than half of his shots are threes, so he's definitely a shooter. Steph isn't a scorer, as in shot-creator. His shot mechanics are too clunky, and he shoots from a too low elevation, for him to reliably get his shot off versus decent on-ball defense. He requires picks or a series of picks and offensive movement to get his shot off. The Warriors has probably the most elaborate offensive scheme ever, intended to get Steph open for a shot. That's with Klay assigned on the point guard on defense, and drawing defense on the offense. And Dray acting as the playcaller, and at times setting screens. Steph is a good driver of the basketball, but rarely does drive. In clutch time Steph has never driven to the basket, but always settled for the three. And that three has never fallen in. The olympic final is the only clutch moment Steph has in his career. More than 5 years past his prime. Steph is a regular season shooter. And some sort of bad scoring option in the playoffs.
How is Steph not generational then lol we never seen someone shoot or change the game like curry and we always compare him to who’s bigger and more athletic than him 😭
@@jorbysold-4707 in terms of scoring is besides shooting. Curry will settle for a 3pt shot before ever attacking the rim or taking a close range jumper. Players like KD, James Harden, Kobe, Melo , Jordan and some others didn’t rely on only the 3pt shot they relied on all forms of scoring something Steph doesn’t. Not saying he can’t make a lay up in traffic or a middy. But let’s be honest he’s not looking to any of those things first like the others he’s literally a 3pt shooter who is glorified because of the volume of how many he takes. He changed the game for good and for the bad. But overall Steph is a shooter not a pure scorer
@@tonywong8134 One Iverson had no one but him, Of course he gonna have alot of attempts and mediocre percentage. Two. You have to understand that back in early 2000 spaces was tight as hell and mid range was heavily use. Most player back on the days from the perimeter had bad percentage.
@@felix3033All they have to do is go back to the Olympics bro and see how he can get a bucket under clutch situations, 2021 when he won his SECOND SCORING TITLE, or how about his 2022 championship with Andrew Wiggins as his 2nd best player? 😂 They just don’t like Steph, and simply try to justify not choosing him.
He's a shooter. Kobe was a scorer....he got buckets EVERWHERE in EVERY WAY. Outside. Mid-range. Attacking the rim. Post-up. Iso. Pick and roll. Free throw line. Right hand. Left hand. Double-teamed. It didn't matter. Greatest scorer ever. Wardell is a shooter.
MJ records as a scorer -Most Scoring Titles ever (10) -Most ppg regular season (30) -Most ppg playoffs (33) -Most points scored in a single playoff game (63) -Most points scored in a single playoff run (759) -Most ppg in a final series (41) Just to name the most important ones, the only one could be up there is Wilt but old school is forgotten
lol yea but against unathletic shooting guards. It’s not as impressive when the competition is not as good. Like getting va scoring title is cool but against part time truck drivers takes the shine away a bit
Carmelo Anthony in his prime was a mismatch for anybody just because of the simple fact that he was too fast for big men and he was too big for guards.
@@jojo_ranjan 30ppg, as a lone statistic, doesn't hold much weight because there are a lot of factors in that. This discussion is more about HOW you score. There are players who scored 30ppg but 10ppg came from the free throw. Like James harden, in those 3 seasons he avg 30+ppg he was also leading the league in free throws. But then the league changed on how they were calling those ticky tack fouls, Harden hasn't avg even 25ppg since. Then you have Curry who was classified as just a pure shooter but he developed in to a more rounded scorer later on. With Melo, he already had essentially the "perfect" offensive game from the moment he stepped on the NBA floor. Same with a T-Mac, VC, PG, KD
They were a mismatch for him as well bc he never played defense nor did he pass the ball. Coaches would just shut melo down and be guaranteed a win. Send a double and he’s still shooting it.
I think KMart was trying to say that T-Mac wasn't initially thought of as a primary scorer, he was thought of more as a playmaker and defensive stopper, but that doesn't mean T-Mac wasn't also a natural scorer. That's just how gifted he was.
I love the end of this where they categorized it as shooters that can score and scores that could shoot. It actually makes so much sense. There's certain guys where their main thing is hitting that jumpshot but they can also use that to figure out ways to score. But then there's guys like Carmelo who can score from anywhere but you can't leave them open on a kickout or anything because he can actually shoot as well as hit from all areas of the Court. Love this show!
Removing LeBron from the conversation of greatest scorer has always been disingenuous for this reason: if you're talking about who can get two or three points by just simply getting the ball in the basket then yeah he's damn good at it The scoring conversation got screwed up with people tried to combine actually scoring points with how pretty it looks lol
Bro people think melo is a better scorer than bron even tho they have the same amount of scoring titles and bron has more 30ppg seasons. Aesthetics really deceive a lot of people
It's about skill not points...if that was the case Wilt, Malone and Kareem would be consider better scorers ahead of Kobe and Jordan. LeBron is PROBABLY a top 15 scorer
Hell Yeah Lexie for mentioning Joe Johnson I don’t like that they brushed past it. 7x all star, all nba 3rd team and 20,000 points. ISO Joe come on y’all.
@@djadondaman17 idk ask him! I'm not an offense coordinator! but we are talking about the GRETEST SCORER and Steph DOES NOT post! I'm not saying he should! I'm saying the GREATEST scorer MEANS EVERY FACET!
@@jekubb4348 that’s true but his percentage at the rim is top 5 all time including big men. In a 15 year career, that’s an insane feat. But I agree he wouldn’t be the greatest scorer, that’s mj. He def should be mentioned tho.
The logic is soooo weird. LeBron not considered a scorer simply because he wasn’t getting his points from jump shooting, but then Steph who is the best shooter of all time isn’t a scorer neither????? Please make this make sense. Yall need to define what yall mean by “scorer”, because it seems like yall just talking about isolation scoring.
How is curry not one of the best scorers. Isn't shooting a form of scoring. He doesn't just shoot threes, he got a mid range, he got a touch around the rim for his size, on and off ball movement, and he is last time I checked the leader in threes all time.
They are haters. All of em. Gil is jealous because he wasn't half the shooter or player that Steph is. The show is designed to get clicks off Steph's name.
only that he doesnt score that much compared to other great scorers, clearly his shooting just isn't taking him there. in all time points (bron, kareem), points per game avg like MJ (higher than everyone ever)
Being the best shooter doesn't make you one of the best scorers lol...Steph doesn't hit 6,7,8 three's a game how many points does he score 15,16,17? He's the greatest shooter ever but he doesn't beat you in any other way...he's not one of the top 5-10 scorers ever but he's a scorer cause he can shoot it like no other
Bucks Ray Allen was definitely a scorer and it amplified when he went to Seattle. When he was in the Mil he gave u a lot of rack action. He would dunk on u in a heart beat, had a very nice mid range game and he knocked it down from 3. He was complete offensively.
@@Newportnews98it’s not cap bruh kd got 15 years straight over 25 bron at 20. Tf u saying “cap” let me know u really don’t appreciate greatness or u go off ur feelings
Because the game strategy around him isn’t to get Steph an isolation, one on one, that’s last resort. For scorers that’s first resort is get them on an island with their defender. Steph is such a great shooter that the strategy for him is to get him coming off of screens to get him as open as possible, you don’t want him to have to create in isolation. He’s a shooter first who can also score but he had to work on his iso game, he wasn’t as natural at that as he was just pure shooting even tho you couldn’t tell now.
@@acephalos5026 shooting IS scoring if the ball goes in the hoop 😂 I swear to god y’all and these niggas on the pod wanna sound so different so bad complicating shit for no reason. Who cares if you can score from everywhere on the floor if absolutely nobody can stop you from scoring in a couple spots. Steph is a scorer, Shaq is a scorer, Bron is a scorer. Y’all be mixing up “versatile” with scorer. If you put the ball in the basket consistently you are a scorer. Imagine thinking a 30ppg guy shooting 50% is not a scorer 😭
Underrated scorer DROSE.. playing the point guard in HS made me watch every top point guard matchup during his mvp season and I hated him so much because he would score at will and make any defender look like a fool.
@@coreythomas3633 100 percent in finals appearances if you go by percentages and their shooting percentage don't matter really they both basically made half there shots . Jordan shot outside more .
Ya'll straight trippin' if you're saying Steph's not a shooter & scorer..🤔 He's just as much a scorer as any of the players you're talking about..GTFOH🤬
Him and BJ are personal friends with Curry and he says he’s a generational player (not TALENT) all the time. Take Kmart’s advice: Stop listening to respond and try listening to understand.
Basically the players eligible are Elgin Baylor, Wilt, Ice Man, Alex English, Kareem, Larry, Jordan, AI, T-Mac, Vince, Grant Hill, Melo, KD, Kobe, Harden, Lebron after 2015, Paul Pierce, Dirk, Luka, Kyrie, Steph, Pistol Pete, Joe Johnson, Jamal Crawford, Vinny Johnson, Lillard, Embid All these guys have an argument to be un-guard-able and the "best" get you a bucket player on their team at a given time and even in the league for one season.
There criteria was 5 level scorers: At the rim(pause), freethrows, postgame, middy, 3pt. Alot of the guys you named not making this list. Imo the top 10 Jordan, Kobe, Durant, Tmac, Melo, Bird, Lebron, Dirk, Pierce, Kyrie (Embiid or Kawhi)
@@dominiqueedwards2847 Adrian Dantley was a walking bucket. Bob McAdoo gets left out these conversations too. He was scoring champion for three consecutive years.
All time turn over leader, soon to be most fgs missed leader, 6 finals loses, 2 bronze medals 😂😂😂 nobody trying to be like queen james the dude has a losing career
@@OGSavage720 Mr.logo was 1-8 in NBA finals,LeBron has 3 Olympic gold medals,Kobe has the record for most missed FG….some people make their dislike for LeBron, expose them ignorance!!!!!
It's unreal to me as well. He's DEFINITELY a scorer. Shooting just happens to be his strong suit. You can't be just a shooter and average 30+. You gotta be scoring from all over. Steph does that with the best of them....
AI needs to be on everyone’s list. 4 time scoring champ. I hear a lot of names but scoring titles is a must on anyone who is labeled “The GOAT Scorer”. Also shot creating, finishing at the rim and clutch jean including free throws all have a part.
And he did this during the deadball era too while taking crazy ass shots with no other scoring threats on his team, so defenders always knew AI was going to shoot but still couldn't stop him
I agree in a sense with them as Curry’s scoring mainly comes from his off ball movement. Acting within the flow of the offense, but it’s slanderous to say the Baby Face Assassin isn’t a Scorer.
If Steph was as one dimensional of a scorer as Gil & Kenyon try to claim he wouldn’t have did half of what he did he’s efficient from anywhere & obviously mixes it up enough how else did we end up w a layup named after him 🤦🏽♂️😂
That’s because scoring title goes off ppg and not total points and melo could score on anybody you have to Watch the game and leave the Box scores alone
@@tylersuggs11man these cats don't know any better...they memorize the box score and google stats and have no clue about the game or what they're watching
@koachcarterfilms that’s because at some points who was his competition? Seriously. Nobody was scoring like Mike was cause half the players were on drugs and he was the leagues meal ticket and golden boy. They even said he started getting assists and rebounds that he didn’t even do because it made his image look even better.
@@leemcqueen500 you let me know when a player wins the finals by themselves. That's not relevant. LeBron 50.6% on 19.6 attempts from the field and Jordan 49.7% on 22.9 attempts...if they attempt the same amount of shots their scoring would essentially be identical.
@@Darius_Icewood It would look that way only because Steph doesn’t need as many dribbles as Kyrie to get his shot off… that’s actually what makes Steph the greatest scoring point guard ever
@@Darius_Icewoodwtf are you talking about not all around scoring watch basketball he scores from every where on the court yall just be saying stuff . Kevin Durant shoots majority mid range shots but yall don’t say that .
@@robertdavis2179 Exactly what I don't get about the nonsense they always say. They make it seem like midrange is THE PLACE where the ball SHOULD be score from
This is an interesting discussion as it shows the difference of perspective from athletes. There is a non-tangible difference between a 'natural' and developed talent and it is super hard to describe. You just know from experience in your sport. It's like dance or music or any other art form. There's just something different. You know it's there and it's incredibly hard to explain in a way that doesn't sound like gibberish.
You got - perimeter scorers - scorers / mid range scorers - post / paint scorers Curry Harden Booker Tatum Dame are perimeter scorers. Mostly jump shooters. Deep range , quick releases and you can’t really just run them off the line. A shooter you run them off the line they gotta drive it and most shooters aren’t good off the dribble. Can’t get to the basket or can’t create space to get off a good shot. Jordan Wade Lebron Kobe Melo Regular scorers are more like face up but most of those guys were slashers that learned to shoot some and their best spots are high post. They can score from anywhere but they’re best getting to the rim or most comfortable getting to the rim. So it’s like their game starts in the mid range. Usually have post games and can go off the dribble pretty well. That’s why they look the most complete because their game requires it. Kareem Hakeem Shaq Embiid Jokic these the paint scorers and the guys who usually will just push you out the way. They usually aren’t that good off the dribble like embiid and jokic can dribble FOR BIG MEN but they still slow as hell so it only does so much
Steph shoots 12 threes a game if he hits 5 that's 15 of his 30...that's not a pure scorer is the point you're missing...that's not a pure scorer that's a great shooter
@@dadillonful Plumbers? MJ played in the 90's, not in the 60's. Why is there a plumbers narrative comment in every comment section? Are you the same people who say We done with the 90's? It didn't work, so now you say every player before the 2020's played versus plumbers?
@@penkima4923he played against Dan Majerle, Reggie Miller, Jon Starks, Hersey Hawkins, Jeff Hornacek, Craig Ehlo, Dale Ellis, Voshon Leonard, Danny Ainge, Dell curry, Steve Smith,… not exactly lockdown defenders 😂😂😂
What they're really asking is who is the best 5 level scorer in league history. Can score on the break, can score above the break, can score 1 on 1, can score from mid range, can score on the block. Jordan, Kobe, Melo, KD are guys who could do that. Paul Pierce should be in the convo too.
@@4UnkleSloww It's a basketball term, maybe you're not familiar with it. Above the break means a 3pt shot that's not in the corners. The corner 3pt line is straight, right? Then it becomes curved as it gets to the top of the 3pt arc. The point where it goes from a straight to a curved line is called "the break". Scoring from 3 "above the break" , ie on the curved section, is more difficult because it is farther from the basket by a foot and a half. It's also where you find the elite pull-up 3pt shooters like Curry and Dame work their magic.
Kobe was the greatest scorer ever. He got buckets EVERWHERE in EVERY WAY. Outside. Mid-range. Attacking the rim. Post-up. Iso. Pick and roll. Free throw line. Right hand. Left hand. Double-teamed. It didn't matter. Greatest scorer ever.
TF are these stupid idiots on about? MJ highest PPG in history in the regular season and the Playoffs. 10x scoring champ. Highest Finals PPG ever. Kobe is inferior to MJ in every single way.
How is Melo even an option? Melo NEVER had a 30ppg season. He only won ONE scoring title, with a career best of 28ppg 😂. MJ had 10 scoring titles, leads the NBA all time in PPG. No question, he is the GOAT scorer. Iverson has 4 scoring titles at 5'11 - THE SAME AS KEVIN DURANT who is a full FOOT taller than AI. Kobe had a bag deeper than the Pacific and dropped 81, two scoring titles. These three to me are the greatest scorers of the last 30 years. Melo was never the greatest scorer of his time, let alone all time 😂.
This shooter scorer, scorer shooter concept is kinda bogus.. A lot of these names mentioned have to play a role in their teams system. If they got put on another team that allowed them to be scorer first, shooter second.. we'd be calling them scorers lol. Kawhi for example on the Toronto run looked like a prime MJ bucket getting level of scoring Vs. Kawhi with the spurs. the teams systems allow players different roles and in turn that's how they're being classified. I think the metric should just be efficiency and difficulty of a players buckets. If any given night you're dropping 25+ efficiently you're a scorer in my eyes
@@penkima4923 no , the debate isn’t what his best skill is. It’s is he a scorer or just a shooter and by every stat and every metric Steph is a straight up scorer so like I said , saying Steph isn’t a scorer is top top tier hating
@@tymoore4490 "no , the debate isn’t what his best skill is." Yes, it is. "It’s is he a scorer or just a shooter and by every stat and every metric Steph is a straight up scorer" The stats say Steph scores the majority of his points off of screens at the perimeter, because he's a shooter the teams wants to get open. "saying Steph isn’t a scorer is top top tier hating" Steph is a scorer secondarily, but primarily he's a high volume shooter. Some of his stats resemble a scorer's stats, but saying he's not a scorer isn't hating.
@@penkima4923Steph is a 3 level SCORER!! You don’t just tell Steph to sit in the corner. The fact that he happens to be the best shooter ever allows a system to be created off of that particular skill. He handles the ball , he’s one of the most efficient small guards ever at finishing around the rim , like stop Steph is a legit scorer . Calling Steph just a shooter is a lazy take and the hate radiates from it
Young blonde was very exciting and special we've never seen anything like him is the Superstar in his own right my goat is Michael Jordan Vanessa take nothing away from Kareem Magic Larry what's Steph to me he's the best I seen
@@Thomas-lc3hi his style in comparison to a Jordan or kobe or most scorers doesn’t look as exciting. Outside of his speed and hops his game is more simple. But it’s no knock because it’s highly effective and he’s versatile.
Do a head to head. AI vs Pistol, Westbrook vs James Harden, shaq vs Hakeem, pistol vs steph. Separate all the categories and do a tourny style bracket. Kareem vs wilt, Luka vs Derrik rose, Rex Chapman vs , chris Mullin etc etc
Yeah for 44%....if you need to win..gimme the 50 plus guy all day and night...unless you have prime Shaq or 2 7 footers and a 90 ft tall odom...but to each their own
Steph is the greatest scorer EVER!!!!!! You can’t leave him OPEN at ALLLLL!!!! Anybody else you can still give them space. YOU CANT LEAVE STEPH OPEN!!!!!!!!!! He’s not just a Shooter. He’s a PURE scorer of the basketball!!!!! How the FUCK is the Best Shooter on planet earth not a Scorer???? Make it make sense!!! Last time I check, Steph can do everything on the floor offensively. He has no weakness offensively. This is coming from a Kobe Fan. 🤦♂️🤦♂️
How they dismiss Wilt Chamberlain shows that even former NBA players don’t always know what they’re talking about! Do your research people! 70% of Wilt Chamberlain shots were fadeaways. So talking about his height is ignorant on Kenyons part! The average height of the centers he played against was 6’10”! And they actually played inside. So stop!! Wilt owns the record books
@@marvinmj707530.7ppg(NBA Record). 33ppg in the playoffs(NBA Record). 10 scoring titles(NBA Record). 63pts in a playoff game(NBA Record). Enough said. 🙏🏾
@@marvinmj7075 but Kareem has scored the MOST points, in the NBA-history, in the least amount of time + he couldn't be stopped by anyone, which matters A LOT more, since we have visual proof......records don't mean anything if you spent the MOST time trying to break them, since ANYONE could've done that if that was their only motivation to play vs. NBA "stars/superstars" always fighting to win Championships, all the time, where stats don't matter if you win.......you gotta admit, Lebron looks real NASTY, looking "old" the way he does right now, admit it.......NONE of the "greats/LEGENDS" would ever allow themselves to look like THAT, on National Television on-purpose, that's why they never chased STATS, it's too embarrassing + a "weak-sauce" thing to do.......THIS is only going to get MUCH worse for Lebron, who's clearly afraid to retire obviously because he doesn't want people to stop talking about him 24/7/365, while he accomplishes nothing, while making every excuse humanly possible, while taking "0" accountability for his failures/bad decisions/shortcomings
I'm a huge Wilt fan. He's top 5 in my All Time players list but Wilt played in an era where there were 6 teams, he was the tallest while everybody was under 6'9" and the game was not as crafty and hard to guard 😂 I can't see Wilt as the greatest scorer of all time.
I think with scorers, their game and the strategy is based around them getting buckets, whether it’s free throws, mid range, post ups, open threes, fast breaks, iso. Steph’s game is based around his shooting and getting him open but he can do other things, Lebrons game is based around facilitating but he can do way more as well.
Melo is not on KDs level scoring wise, especially since he heavily startet declining after 11-12 seasons, also he really wasn't efficient. KD is a player you can expect an efficient 25+ ppg EVERY NIGHT, even with 35. I think its disrespectful to KD discussing this, cause there has been no NBA player who can easily score efficient on all 3 levels like that.
stay off the weeeeeeed! Nel got every move in his arsenal, a three pointer mid range, step back, post up, getting into the basket, plan in the paint, buckets off offensive rebounds, first step, fade away. KD cannot be in the same conversation as Melo, because he’s nothing but a jump shooter he has no post game and he barely goes to the basket😢
Kobe in 3 quarters have more points than curry lebron and KD jajajajajajajajajaaja oooooh and the 60 point game of lebron was vs the bobcats jajajajajaja
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Before I watch one second of this video, I'm coming to the comments just to let it be known... prime James Harden is the best score the NBA has ever seen in the modern day era.
Yes his stepback and euro was unstoppable but he wasnt the best scorer we’ve seen. He didnt have a 1 / 1-2 dribble pull up and no post moves. He is a natural shooter that can score
@@4a_atm Then you must’ve not watched Harden. They literally say in the video he is a shooter first that can score and I am simply agreeing. He is not a 5 level scorer like Tmac, Kobe, KD etc. If you don’t agree that he abused Stepback 3s and Euro steps for fouls then I am wasting my time. He has more free throws then FGA lol. Ive been a fan of his since he went to Artesia HS here in Socal and no doubt he mastered what he did but please elaborate on how he is the greatest scorer the NBA has ever seen 🤣
The best scorer in nba history was kareem abdul jabbar. He led the nba in all time points up until last year. KAREEM SCORED ALL OF THOSE POINTS INSIDE AND MID RANGE. HE DID IT ALL BY SHOOTING 22222222 POINTS. Kareem made one 3 pointer out of 20 years. Soooooooo if you take the top 10 scorers in history 3 points away kareem is number by thousandssssss of points. He would only lose 3 points. So, with all of his accolades since college kareem is on the rushmore over lebron in points.
Kevin Durant is the greatest scorer in NBA history 27.3ppg on 18.7 shot attempts 50.1% from the field 38.6% from 3 88.5% from the line 4 scoring titles and never had to lead the league in shot attempts!
For context , I was born in 1995. The first game I ever watched when I knew what was going on I was 6… the best pure scorers I’ve seen with my eyes “live”!and in they…. Kobe, Melo, KD, Bron, Iverson, Tmac, Harden, Luka,
Kevin Durant in my opinion. Even though LeBron rarely ever gets less than 20 points, I say KD. And it's because every time he gets the ball, I assume that he's going to make the shot. He's that consistent and that much of a mismatch because of his size. There's no other player that I feel will score no matter what. Steph might miss, Luka might miss, Jordan might. But KD and Bird are different.
Carmelo Anthony isnt the best scorer ever but he is the best offensive player (in terms of moves to score not assists and everything) There literaly isnt a thing that he cant do For example KD only does 1 or 2 dribbles or a basic cross over then shoot over people He is better scorer but not better offensive player Same goes with harden only step backs and euro steps which he travels but nobody calls or a basic crossover move Where is fadeaway,post game,mid range,dribble step back on so on
I hate to say it but they are a bit off with this one You had • Benard King - New York Knicks • George Iceman Gervin - San Antonio Spurs • Allen Iverson - 76ers There are so many players that were a, Bucket. SO MANY.
